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12:35 AM
@columbus8myhw Thanks so much for that disruption!
 
12:57 AM
@PVAL: What have you been working on if you don't mind me asking?
 
Stein structures/applications of Eliashberg's theorem and Stein embeddings (I do not have any real results at this point though).
 
which theorem of Eliashberg?
I don't know much about Stein structures.
What are the big questions? Classification? Is that possible?
 
Which 3-manifolds admit Stein fillings? Which Stein manifolds embed into $\Bbb R^4$? Things like that.
 
The boundary of a Stein manifold should automatically be a contact manifold yes? By taking $TM \cap JTM$?
 
Those letters are oddly not the same size
 
1:10 AM
So this is both a question of which topological 3-folds fill and also which contac manifolds?
 
Yes, but note that any symplectically fillable contact structure is automatically tight which places some restrictions.
 
Right. But why is that relevant? I thought stein structures were complex structures? Where do we get the symplectic structure?
Ok, I googled it, you pick a plurisubharmonic function $\varphi$ and let $\omega$ be $dJ^*d\varphi$. Is there a nicer way of thinking of the symplectic structure? Would one prefer to think of this as a special kind of Kahler manifold to begin with?
 
A Stein manifold (one of many definitions) $(M,J)$ is a complex manifold which admits an exhausting proper morse function $f: M \to [0, \infty)$ such that the form $-d(J^*(df))$ is symplectic.
@MikeMiller "Is there a nicer way to think about their symplectic structure?" No. The $J$-convex function is exactly what is manipulated to give nice characterizations of which smooth manifolds admit these structures (MUCH nicer characterizations than Kahler).
 
1:26 AM
Ok. I like that.
The symplectic thing is just a bonus, like the almost complex structure on a symplectic manifold?
I'll have to look at the answer you just posted later. Looks interesting.
 
The definition that makes them "intrinsically interesting" is that they are exactly the smooth affine analytic varieties but the functions are what you use to study them (along with the symplectic structure coming from them and the the contact level sets associated to the function). I just wrote a rather trivial application of Stein structures here math.stackexchange.com/a/1410952/83337
 
Is the end of an open Stein manifold a product end automatically? I guess it must because "varieties can't have complicated ends". I don't know why j believe that but I do.
I guess because every affine bariety actually had a compactification in the projectivization. Ok.
 
Around regular level sets of the $J$-convex function, it looks like a product.
The ends can be complicated (i.e. there are infinitely many exotic $\Bbb R^4$ (all necc. small)) with Stein structures.
I mean there are lots coming from infinite handle-bodies
 
Ok, but can they be topologically complicated as opposed to smoothly?
Sorry if I'm sounding picky.
 
Any infinite 2-handlebody (one needs to be somewhat precise as what is meant here I mean a handlebody admitting a proper morse function with crit points $\leq 2$) is homeomorphic (definitely not diffeomorphic) to a Stein manifold by a theorem of my advisor.
A lot of the time you just deal with the compact version called Stein domains which are just Stein manifolds with $J$-convex boundary obtained by attaching finitely many handles to $D^4$
 
1:38 AM
Ok, great. So they can be pretty nasty at $\infty$.
What's known on the classification of Stein fillable 3-folds?
(My phone is at 1% so I am fated to leave soon. Thanks for talking.)
 
Lots of examples. Some non-existence results from the adjunction inequality. Eliashberg showed that every 2n dimensional n-handlebody admits a smooth structure except when $n=2$ and in that dimension the framing on the $2$-handles must be $tb(K)-1$, which reduces a lot of the filling questions to Kirby calculus.
 
Ok, neat.
 
2:33 AM
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if $V$ is a vector space, is $V^{\otimes n} \cong \operatorname{Sym}^n V \oplus \Lambda^n V$?
 
@SamuelYusim Well what is there intersection?
 
2:54 AM
well I guess it has to be 0
since if a thing is in both, swapping two coordinates must both keep it the same and set it to 0
er, keep it the same and negate it
 
 
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4:01 AM
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5:59 AM
Hello@Balarka
 
No school?
 
no
@MikeMiller I'll ask her not to do so!
@Remember Have you tried the problem I gave you?
 
Okay I thought of the short exact sequence problem which you gave me.
So we have $N\to G\to \Bbb{Z}^n$ a SES . If I define a map $s: \Bbb{Z}^n \to G$ by the map $s(x)=\text{ker}(m)$ where $m:G \to \Bbb{Z}^n$ . Will this map do the job. By that I mean to say that if this map is an homomorphism (which I guess it is) by the splitting lemma $G \cong \Bbb{Z}^n \oplus N$. Right?
 
ker(m) is a subgroup of G, not an element of G. How is $s$ even a mapping?
 
6:06 AM
Oh... Then I have done some blunder.. I will think again.
But is this way of doing it right . I mean without considering the map
 
You have to construct a section of the SES, sure.
Why don't you try with something simple, say, $n = 1$?
 
Okay.
 
You're given a short exact sequence $N \to G \stackrel{m}{\to} \Bbb Z$. You have to define a homomorphism $s : \Bbb Z \to G$ that "cancels" with $m$.
 
Yes that is what I am trying to do
 
@Remember How does homomorphisms from $\Bbb Z$ to some random group look like?
I mean, you're given an arbitrary group $A$. Can you classify all homomorphisms $\Bbb Z \to A$? How?
(Recall what a homomorphism is)
 
6:13 AM
Can it be like
$u \mapsto u(\text{modn}) $where n is the order of $A$ lets say.. ?
 
Where $A$ is the cyclic group of order $n$, sure. But that was not my point.
I mean, you're given a group $A$. Is it possible to tell how many homomorphisms $\Bbb Z \to A$ are there?
If so, how do you do it?
 
Okay. Wait
 
I am not asking you to count all the homomorphisms, keep that in mind. I want a simple, easy way to construct a homomorphism between $\Bbb Z$ and $A$, given an arbitrary abelian group $A$.
 
If I define the map from $\Bbb{Z} \to A$ like $x\mapsto nx$ where $n\in \Bbb{R}$ will this do the job
 
huh? $x \in \Bbb Z \notin A$.
$x$ is not even an element of $A$, let alone $nx$.
@Remember OK, I'll spell out what I mean. $\Bbb Z$ is infinite cyclic generated by $1$, correct?
 
6:21 AM
Yes
 
Now $a \in A$ be an arbitrary element in whatever group $A$ you gave me.
 
okay...
 
Can I define a homomorphism $f : \Bbb Z \to A$ by sending $1 \in \Bbb Z$ to $a \in A$ and linearly extending? That is, $n \mapsto a + a + \cdots + a$, where the sum is done $n$ times?
 
isn't that just $na$ ?
 
how is multiplication by an integer and an element of an arbitrary abelian group defined?
 
6:25 AM
x^n
 
You're making no sense.
 
by an integer
 
How can you define multiplication between two different groups?
 
oh...
 
Multiplication is a group operation.
It is done strictly inside that group.
$na$, as "plain old multiplication", can't possibly make any sense.
@Remember Oh, wait, are you just denoting $na$ as $a + a + \cdots + a$?
 
6:28 AM
Yes that is what i am doing
From the beginning
 
OK. Phew.
I thought you were multiplying an integer by a group element. Remember that that's not possible.
 
Yes because it has to be in the group and we dont know what operation the group has on it
 
What you can do, on the other hand, is to define an action of $\Bbb Z$ on $A$. That, in short, is written $na$. But anyway, you'll learn this when you do modules.
@Rememberme huh?
I am not sure if you're quite clear on the notation $na$.
 
I mean to say that wont be in the group ..
if I define $n\mapsto na$ $n \notin A$ how can $na$ be...
 
well, it's not even defined :) it's just a notation. multiplication of two elements from different groups doesn't make sense.
Yeah, $na$ is not an element of a group $A$, unless one defines it correctly.
The correct definition you will learn when you do modules.
 
6:32 AM
Modules are just some kind of fields right?
 
@Remember OK, back to the problem.
 
Yes yes
 
We define the homomorphism $f : \Bbb Z \to A$ by $1 \mapsto a$ for some fixed $a \in A$, and then linear extending, i.e., $n \mapsto a + \cdots + a$
This is a situation similar to vector spaces, where you define a homomorphism between vector spaces by mapping basis elements to basis elements and linearly extending, right?
 
Okay.
Yes
 
OK. So it turns out this is indeed a kind of generalization to what we do in vector spaces. $\Bbb Z$ here is a free module over itself, one might say. But nevermind that.
 
6:35 AM
@BalarkaSen Actually, we define a homomorphism to $\operatorname{End}(A)$
 
@Remember Thus, given any element $a \in A$, one can define a homomorphism $f : \Bbb Z \to A$ by sending $1$ to $a$, correct?
 
Yes you can
 
@TobiasKildetoft uh?
 
@BalarkaSen An action on $A$ is a homomorphism to $\operatorname{End}(A)$, not to $A$.
 
@Rememberme So homomorphisms from $\Bbb Z$ to $A$ are classified by elements of $A$.
 
6:37 AM
Yes
 
@TobiasKildetoft When did I ever say anything about action on $A$? I'm talking about module homomorphisms.
 
@BalarkaSen I thought you were defining what a $\mathbb{Z}$-module was
 
@Rememberme Now. Get back to the short exact sequence situation.
$N \to G \to \Bbb Z$.
 
Sorry for derailing
 
You want a section $s : \Bbb Z \to G$ that cancels with the last map.
 
6:38 AM
Yes
Let me do it
 
Keeping in mind what we discussed till now, can you construct it?
 
I guess so
 
@TobiasKildetoft nah. We were just talking about how an exact sequence splits if it has a free object at the end.
 
@BalarkaSen Ahh
 
@Remember You should also keep in mind that the last map in the short exact sequence is surjective.
 
6:48 AM
@Balarka Can I define a map from $A \to \Bbb{Z}$ by just the inverse idea that is $a\mapsto 1$ that is $a+a+\cdots +a \mapsto n$ ? Now if I compose the previous map with this one then I will get $1\mapsto 1$ and since $\Bbb{Z}$ is the cyclic group this will be the identity map.
 
You have to construct a map $\Bbb Z \to G$, not $G\to \Bbb Z$!
Recall what a section is.
 
Okay,
Didn't we just discuss that what a map which is an homomorphism from $\Bbb{Z}\to G$ will look like for an abelian G... So shouldn't I be finding a map from $G\to \Bbb{Z}$ which cancels out with the map we had discussed
 
@Remember I'd recommend you write down the statement of the problem, what you want to do, and all we discussed 'till now. You've started messing up everything.
You have an exact sequence $N \stackrel{f}{\to} G \stackrel{g}{\to} \Bbb Z$. You are already given the map $g : G \to \Bbb Z$, you don't need to construct it anymore!
You have to construct a map $s : \Bbb Z \to G$ such that the composition $\Bbb Z \stackrel{s}{\to} G \stackrel{g}{\to} \Bbb Z$ is the identity map $\Bbb Z \to \Bbb Z$.
 
Coming back after five minutes.. Need to recollect everything
 
I am finding ams.org/journals/bull/1994-30-02/S0273-0979-1994-00502-6 to be a nice an interesting read.
 
7:00 AM
Well, if it's Bill Thurston who's writing, then...
 
7:15 AM
Hey guys, I've got a simple notation question.
Say you have a function f: R -> R. Is there a standard way to denote the function R^2 -> R^2 defined by applying f to the first element of an ordered pair?
The second element in each ordered pair is left alone.
 
@DavidZhang That would commonly be denoted by $f\times \operatorname{id}$ or similar
 
Veo
Hello guys! If x^2+y^2=153 and xy=36 what is the value of (x-y)?
 
@Balarka Now as we had discussed that homomorphisms from $\Bbb{Z} \to G$ should look like
$n \mapsto g+g+\cdots+g$. So when I think of this map $N \stackrel{f}{\to} G \stackrel{g}{\to} \Bbb Z$ since the last map is surjective for every $g+g+\cdots g \in G$ there should be some value for it in $\Bbb{Z}$ which has to be n(because if it is some other value the map cannot be surjective). Therefore the composition will $g \circ f$ will become the identity map
 
$g \circ f$ is the identity map!!
You mean $g \circ s$, surely, where $s$ is your section. Note that $f$ is also the first map of your sequence.
 
@TobiasKildetoft I see. So in general $f \times g$ will be commonly understood as the function taking (x,y) to (f(x), f(y))?
 
7:21 AM
Yes sorry typo
 
@DavidZhang Yes
 
Sorry, (f(x), g(y))
 
I guess I have to change notations
 
Great, thanks.
 
7:22 AM
But is the idea correct @Balarka
 
Exactly! You're on the right track!
But you haven't quite thrashed out the detail yet. Why don't you tell me what your section $s : \Bbb Z \to G$ does to the element $1 \in \Bbb Z$? Where does it send it?
 
It has to send it to g or else by map will become nonsense
to some fixed g
 
And what is $g$?
It can't send it to an arbitrary $g$. It has to send it to a $g$ such that after composing with the map $G \to \Bbb Z$ it's sent back to $1 \in \Bbb Z$.
So $g$ is..?
 
g \in G... where g is the identity of G?
 
If $g$ is the identity of $G$, the $g$ will be sent to $0$ by the map $G \to \Bbb Z$. Not what we want to do.
(recall that homomorphism sends identity to identity)
 
7:29 AM
Is g the element of the kernel of the map $G \to \Bbb{Z}$ ?
I might be wrong ....
 
What is the identity element of $\Bbb Z$?
 
Then if $g$ is in the kernel of $G \to \Bbb Z$, where will it be sent to by the map?
 
Right. But where do we want to send $g \in G$ to, by the map $G \to \Bbb Z$?
 
7:31 AM
n
 
Recall that $g = s(1)$, $s : \Bbb Z \to G$ being the section.
And recall that we want $g \circ s : \Bbb Z \to G \to \Bbb Z$ to be the identity map.
So where would we want to send $g$?
 
First map had sent an element of $\Bbb{Z}$ to g and now we want it to send it back to the earlier element
 
correct. but it sent which element of Z to g, precisely?
 
So we want it to be send to 1
 
exactly!
So we need $g \in G$ to be in the preimage of $1 \in \Bbb Z$, by the map $G \to \Bbb Z$.
And this is always possible, as $G \to \Bbb Z$ is surjective. Correct?
 
7:36 AM
Yes
 
Great. So, back to the big picture, you have the short exact sequence $N \stackrel{p}{\to} G \stackrel{q}{\to} \Bbb Z$
 
So now when we extend this idea to $\Bbb{Z^n}$ where 1 gets replaced with n
And we have found a splitting of it
 
Define the section $s : \Bbb Z \to G$ by sending $1$ to $g$, and element in the preimage of $1$ by $q$.
And then linearly extend.
Right?
 
Yes
 
Hence, $G \cong N \oplus \Bbb Z$.
 
7:38 AM
Yes by splitting lemma
 
OK, great. the case $n = 1$ is done for.
@Remember What you did today was a baby version of diagram chasing in homological algebra.
 
Diagram chasing?
 
@Rememberme Not really. What's the identity element of $\Bbb Z^n$?
@Rememberme Yes. See, you defined the map $s : \Bbb Z \to G$ by tracing out the diagram : you're sending $1$ to some element of $G$ which is in turn sent to $1$ by $q$.
You can trace out the arrows on the short exact sequence by your fingers to "see" where the map came from.
 
@Balarka the identity is 0
 
yikes, sorry. I meant the generators of $\Bbb Z^n$. (the identity is (0, 0, .., 0), btw).
$\Bbb Z^n$ has several generators, unlike $\Bbb Z$. It's not cyclic.
Can you write down the generators?
 
7:44 AM
All values a which divide n $a|n$ generate $\Bbb{Z^n}$ ?
 
What is $\Bbb Z^n$, as a set?
oh, I guess you are not familiar with this notation. I mean $\Bbb Z \oplus \Bbb Z \oplus \cdots \oplus \Bbb Z$ ($n$ times), when I say $\Bbb Z^n$.
 
Oh...
So what will generate it?
 
There are more than one generators. That's the hint I will give you.
Well, figure it out!
(hint : recall elementary/standard basis vectors in linear algebra)
 
Okay..
So are they $\{e_1,e_2,\cdots , e_n\}$
 
Where $e_i$ is?
 
7:49 AM
{0,0,\cdots 1,0,0\cdots 0} where 1 is in the ith position
 
exactly. yes, that's a generator set of $\Bbb Z^n$. but prove it!
i.e., show that given an $n$-tuple of integers $(a_1, a_2, \cdots, a_n)$, it can be written as a linear combination of the $e_i$'s.
 
@Balarka I have to go.. Will come back with a proof
 
ok, sure. bubye.
 
And just as importantly: Can be written uniquely in that way (i.e. they generate the group freely)
 
8:49 AM
Hey, is there any meaningful topology one could put on $V$, the class of all sets?
 
@columbus8myhw Usually you don't put a topology on something that is not a set at all
 
What about the discrete topology?
 
^
@TobiasKildetoft So? You could work in any theory that lets you talk about classes.
 
@columbus8myhw Sure, but those are not usually the place we do topology
 
Or let $\kappa$ be a cardinal such that $V_\kappa$ is a model of ZFC, and put a topology on that. (I forget what this is called)
IDK, let's say we make it work out, and we talk about open classes instead of open sets.
 
8:52 AM
I don't think anything meaningful can be done with it, though.
 
is there a nice closed form for $\sum_{i_1 < \dots < i_n} x_{i_1}\dots x_{i_n}$
ack, I pressed enter
 
fixing
 
(There's a delete button and an edit button, by the way)
 
yeah I know
hence, "fixing"
 
8:58 AM
Ah
 
also, what if all the $<$'s are $\leq$'s
 
So, for example, $1+x_1+x_2+x_3+x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3+x_1x_2x_3$?
 
@Tobias Sanity-check : $V, V'$ be affine varieties. A $k$-algebra isomorphism $k[V] \to k[V']$ induces a Zariski isomorphism $V' \to V$, right? i.e., the correspondence between affine $k$-algebras and affine varities is functorial, correct?
 
Wouldn't that just be $(1+x_1)(1+x_2)(1+x_3)$?
 
@BalarkaSen Right, so you don't need isomorphisms
 
9:01 AM
Or, with infinitely many variables (which might be what you meant), $(1+x_1)(1+x_2)(1+x_3)\dotsb(1+x_n)\dotsb$
@SamuelYusim
 
we can assume $i_n$ is finite, and $n$ is fixed
 
Oh
So, just $x_1x_2+x_1x_3+x_2x_3$, for example?
 
so a better example might be $x_1x_2 + x_1x_3 + x_3x_2$
yep
 
$e_2(x_1,x_2)$
$e_n(a,b,c,\dots,w)$ is the coefficient of $x^n$ in the polynomial $(x+a)(x+b)(x+c)\dotsb(x+w)$.
@SamuelYusim As it turns out, every symmetric polynomial can be written in terms of these.
For example, in two variables they are $a+b$ and $ab$;
$(a-b)^2$ is symmetric, so you should be able to write it in terms of them. And you can:$$(a-b)^2=(a+b)^2-4(ab)$$
 
I guess I should be specific and say I want an analogue of the fact that (for $1 \leq i, j \leq n$) $\sum_{i < j} x_ix_j = \dfrac{\left(\sum_{\ell = 1}^n x_i \right)^2 - \sum_{\ell = 1}^n x_i^2}{2}$
but for more than two x's at a time
 
9:06 AM
(May I suggest you use \dfrac inline instead of \frac?)
 
from a set of $n$ of them, of course
 
It defines $p_k=x_1^k+x_2^k+\dotsb+x_n^k$
The equation $2e_2=e_1p_1-p_2$, along with $e_1=p_1$, is what you wrote.
 
@columbus8myhw uniquely so, in fact.
 
yup
(That arrow thing is useful)
 
That is, the $S_n$-invariant subalgebra of $k[x_1,\cdots, x_n]$ is isomorphic to $k[e_1, \cdots, e_n]$
@columbus8myhw invariant theory studies a generalization of this, where you act by different groups instead of $S_n$.
 
9:13 AM
"That is, the set of symmetric polynomials made out of $x_1,\dotsb,x_n$ is the same as the set of polynomials made out of $e_1,\dotsb,e_n$"
Hm. What if it's, say, the alternating group (even permutations) instead?
$A_n$?
 
the # of generators will be finite.
 
And they are?
 
@columbus8myhw Usually one looks at skewsymmetric instead (not quite sure how much that changes)
 
that's hilbert's fundamental thm of invariants
@columbus8myhw dunno. shouldn't be hard to enumerate
harder is when you act by GL_n groups, say, in which case we don't know how to list the generators (iirc)
for large n, say
 
I don't know what $GL_n$ is, sorry
 
9:17 AM
@BalarkaSen You mean generators for the invariant algebra?
 
GL(V) is the grp of all lin. trnsformations of V
@TobiasKildetoft yes
 
@BalarkaSen With the "obvious" action, there are no non-zero invariants, since you can scale by constants
 
Oh, turns out that, for $A_n$ (even permutations), it's just $v_n,e_1,e_2,\dots,e_n$
where $v_n=(x_2-x_1)(x_3-x_1)(x_3-x_2)(x_4-x_1)\dotsb(x_n-x_{n-1})$
is the Vandermonde polynomial
 
@TobiasKildetoft what's the action you have in mind?
 
@BalarkaSen $GL_n$ acting on $k[x_1,\dots,x_n]$ by identifying the $x_i$ with the usual basis for $n$-dimensional space
 
9:23 AM
@columbus8myhw for reasonably nice groups, the invariant subalgebra is always finitely generated, by Hilbert. i find this very surprising.
 
Interesting.
 
@Tobias that's not the action i have in mind.
 
@BalarkaSen Which one do you have in mind?
 
let me finish eating, just a second.
 
googles
Is it 3pm where you are, @BalarkaSen?
 
9:29 AM
yeah, almost 3.
@Tobias OK.
Suppose $G = GL_n(k)$.
Consider the $k$-vector space with basis generated by $x_1, \cdots, x_n$.
 
Is there an East Bengal?
Or is that just Bangladesh?
 
Now, let $G$ act on $V$ by linear transformations
Now extend this action all the way upto $k[x_1, \cdots, x_n]$.
 
@BalarkaSen I am not sure what you mean by that action
 
actually, it can be done without that rational assumption.
 
are you really considering $GL_n(k(v))$?
Now you have the same action I did
 
9:34 AM
So, like, $x_1\mapsto 2x_1$ is one of the actions?
 
oh? really?
 
And you can still scale everything
 
I don't see what you mean by scaling.
 
act by a scalar matrix
 
1 min ago, by columbus8myhw
So, like, $x_1\mapsto 2x_1$ is one of the actions?
@BalarkaSen
 
9:35 AM
that just scales the polynomial by some product of powers of the entries
 
If this is the same as your action, what you are saying better not be true, as Eisenbud works through his proof of Hilbert's theorem using this!
 
@BalarkaSen But Hilbert's theorem is for a subgroup of $GL_n$, right?
 
ah, fair enough, $GL_m$.
 
Um, I asked a yes/no question
 
@BalarkaSen I am not sure what you mean.
 
9:38 AM
@columbus8myhw What do you even mean by that being an action?
 
I'll take that as a no
I meant, turning $x_1^2+x_1x_2$ into $(2x_1)^2+(2x_1)x_2$, for example
 
@TobiasKildetoft Eisenbud does the proof of Hilbert's theorem by considering $G$ to be group of the form $GL_m$.
 
And then we consider polynomials that don't change when you do that
 
@BalarkaSen Is the $m$ the same as the number of variables?
 
(which would be only the ones that don't use $x_1$, I guess)
 
9:39 AM
no.
 
@BalarkaSen Then how is the action defined?
 
@columbus By $G$ acting on $k[x_1, \cdots, x_n]$, I mean a pairing $G \times k[x_i] \to k[x_i]$ $(g, f) \mapsto f'$, where $f, f'$ are polynomials in $k[x_i]$
Well, a pairing which satisfies a few desirable things
@TobiasKildetoft $g \in GL_m(k)$ acts on the vector space $V/k$ generated by $x_i$ by linear transformations $V \to V$ matrices of whose entries are rational functions of the entries of $g$.
Eisenbud calls these actions "rational".
 
@BalarkaSen But that does not tell me how that specific $g$ acts
@BalarkaSen Ahh, you mean that he states a result about actions satisfying those requirements?
 
Yes.
 
i.e. about actions on the polynomial algebra arising from rational representations on the space generated by the variables
Where my action was just the defining representation
 
9:48 AM
To be honest, I don't like/understand much of what Eisenbud says in there. The proof looks ugly.
I can just appreciate the statement of the fundamental theorem.
 
And the result is that the algebra of invariants if finitely generated (as an algebra)?
 
Yes.
But he mentions that it's still an open problem to find a set of generators of the invariant subalgebra for such actions.
 
@BalarkaSen Which is fine, because it certainly does not contradict my claim that $0$ is the only invariant with my given action
@BalarkaSen Well, for arbitrary reps I assume, rather than the defining one
 
yeah, yeah, I see what you mean. You defined a representation for which the invariant algebra is trivial.
But Eisenbud considers arbitrary rational representations on the space.
OK, that clears a lot up. I'll try to give that section another try today.
@TobiasKildetoft Another interesting thing Eisenbud talks about is geometric invariant theory.
If you have a variety $X$ such that a group $G$ acts on $X$, then you have a natural morphisms (of sets) $X \to X/G$. However, in general, $X/G$ cannot be made into a variety so that the morphism is a regular map.
For example, consider $k^{\times}$ acting on $\Bbb A_k^1$ by multiplication. The quotient is a two-point set (corresponding to the class $[0]$ and $[1]$ of all nonzero elements). However, if you try to give it the Zariski topology compatible with the morphism, then $[0]$ has to be contained in the closure of $[1]$. Impossible.
 
@BalarkaSen Why is it impossible for $[0]$ to be in the closure of $[1]$?
 
9:57 AM
A finite algebraic variety with Zariski topology must be a discrete set.
So that any point must be closed.
 
@BalarkaSen Ahh, right, variety, not scheme
 
ok. now if you restrict attention to the open set of $\Bbb A^1_k$ consisting of the nonzero elements, then the restriction of the quotient morphism to this set is a perfectly good regular map between varieties (quotient is a singleton - an ok variety)
This is in general what you try to do in geometric invariant theory : approximate the $X/G$ by algebraic varieties. to be rigorous, if $X/G$ can be given a structure of a variety such that $X \to X/G$ is a regular map, then the coordinate ring of $X/G$ should be the invariant affine $k$-algebra $k[X]^G$.
But in general, as this doesn't happen, you look for subvarieties of $X$ for which the restriction of the quotient map is a regular map between varieties with the base variety having coordinate ring $k[X]^G$
I find this theory beautiful. Eisenbud says this was developed by Mumford and Fogarty in order to define moduli spaces.
 
@BalarkaSen I have only heard very little about it. But would it not make more sense to start with schemes than varieties for this? You would get a lot more quotients "for free" to start with, plus you have some idea of where you can take the quotients even when they are not schemes (being faiscaeu instead, or however that is spelled)
 
I am not sure if I understand the reason you want to do this with schemes, mostly because of my ignorance. Can you elaborate? (and the word's faisceaux, I think)
 
@BalarkaSen Right, that spelling looks more correct (for the plural). I don't actually understand this nearly as well as I would like. There is a chapter on it in Jantzen's book, but that is somewhat brief
anyway, I need to go get some lunch now.
 
10:11 AM
bu-bye.
 
10:22 AM
@TobiasKildetoft We can just describe the adjoint functor of $V \to k[V]$ from the category of affine varieties to affine $k$-algebras to be the functor $A \to \text{mSpec} \,A$, the maximal spectrum of the $k$-algebra, can't we?
(I hope adjoint functor is the word)
 
11:07 AM
@BalarkaSen Well, inverse functor actually
Hmm, or maybe adjoint is more correct, though one should note that it is an equivalence, not just an arbitrary adjunction
 
I've never heard of the word "inverse functor", thus the confusion.
 
@BalarkaSen Well, just like an inverse function. But I suppose in our case we only get something isomorphic to what we started with, not necessarily the same thing
 
Yeah, there is a natural transformation between the composition functors and the identity functor.
They are not really the same thing.
 
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11:30 AM
Is uni meant to be breaking me now?
 
Has it even started yet?
 
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Week 5 just ended and I get things done just in time, spending all of my time working on uni without pretty much any breaks and getting 6 hours sleep a night :P. Starting to think I am just bad at math
 
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Does everyone feel like they are bad at math sometimes?
 
hey pal
 
11:46 AM
@AlexClark I have felt it multiple times.
 
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12:17 PM
@BalarkaSen I needed to hear that from someone as advanced as you honestly xD. I wonder if Tao has ever said anything like that before
 
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I should sleep now so I can finish this functional assignment in time tomorrow. I'll probably be back on Tues after the algebra assignment is done
 
I am not really advanced. I just know one or two things about topology, and bits about algebra.
@AlexClark dunno, ask Tao :P
 
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@BalarkaSen Well advanced in terms of mathematical maturity and/or rate of learning
 
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Talk soon, night!
 
You've no idea how slow I am.
G'night.
 
12:21 PM
later pal
 
12:35 PM
hey, I have a probability question from "a first course in probability" by Sheldon Ross. He provides a solution but I have certain concerns about the solution. Shall I post it here?
anyone?
 
askaway
 
hey guys
really need some help
any1 interested?
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Manolis LyviakisSuppose V is C-vector space of finite dimension with inner product say $f$ and say $f^*$ its conjugate operator and $λ$ eigenvalue of $f^*f$ and $v$ non zero eigenvector of $λ$ a) express $||f||^2$ subject to $||v||$ and $λ$ and prove that $λ$ is a real non negative number and that is true for ...

 
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