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3:00 PM
That doesn't quite make sense, @Balarka, other than to take the equation in $\Bbb CP^2$, which is $w^3=zv^2$, and $v=w=0$, $z=1$ is a singular point.
I suppose you could also take the closure inside $\Bbb P^1\times\Bbb P^1$, but that's not the customary interpretation.
 
@TedShifrin yes that's what i am trying to do
thinking about teh RS as a subset in P^1 \times P^1
 
That's totally not standard.
 
yeah well but it's compact now
 
One first picks the smallest vector in the lattice, and rotates + translates to make it $e_1$. Then pick the second smallest vector; call it $a_2$. Now the authors claim "If these did not generate the lattice, then there would be some $z \in \Gamma, z=\lambda_1e_1+\lambda_2a_2$, with $|\lambda_i|<1/2$. Where does this norm condition on the $\lambda_i$ come from?
 
there you go
 
3:02 PM
Presumably from the fact that it's a lattice, @Mike.
 
But I am still not sure about the genus, @Ted
 
my (quite likely wrong) intution is that, to the extent that one can talk about genus for y^3=x, it'll be zero
 
What is the definition of genus? For a singular curve, you can mean either arithmetic genus or geometric genus (which is the genus of a smooth resolution of the curve).
Yes, the genus of a rational curve is $0$.
 
@Ted Presumably so! I don't see it, though.
 
3:04 PM
whew
 
@TedShifrin that's something i totally did not know about
 
But a complete, smooth one, @Semiclassical :P
 
doh
admittedly, my intuition (as my comments above indicate)
 
ok then i have messed up everything. i have to rethink.
 
@alizter I would like to ask you about the O levels now, lol. What are the books used for O levels? Did you also use Edexcel?
 
3:05 PM
was just "hey, there should be three copies of the riemann sphere and two branch points, so gluing them side-to-side makes another riemann sphere"
 
Riemann-Hurwitz is fun for (smooth) Riemann surfaces with a mapping to $\Bbb P^1$. That's actually -- gasp -- topology for @Balarka, although it can be done via differential forms and the adjunction formula :P
 
@JasperLoy O levels don't exist anymore
 
@Alizter Ah, then what is in its place?
 
my knowledge of riemann surfaces is decidedly not systematic :P
 
@TedShifrin I ain't know any Riemann-Hurwitz.
 
3:06 PM
@JasperLoy GCSE's.
 
I claim differential forms are topology, @Ted.
 
@Alizter OK, just a different name I guess, lol. OK. So are there also Edexcel books for that?
 
@JasperLoy The hardest thing in GCSE maths is completing the square.
 
Ordinarily, branch points are still smooth points on the curve, @Semiclassical.
 
It is not worth considering.
 
3:07 PM
differential forms = cohomology \in algebraic topology
 
Unless they're Kähler differentials, @Mike :P
 
A level maths is the start of respectable recognizable maths
 
@Alizter OK. You can see that I am regressing, lol.
 
not on singular objects :P
Of course, we have $L^2$ cohomology on singular varieties :P
 
OK, so every Riemann surface over $\Bbb P^1$ of monodromy $\Bbb Z_3$ is homeomorphic to the RS of $w^3 = z$, is that right?
 
3:07 PM
@JasperLoy Yeah. Many 7-10 year olds in the east can easily do it.
 
@Ted It turns out that the DGA of differential forms of a smooth manifold recover the entire rational homotopy type.
 
It is really slow to start maths off.
 
@Alizter In the east? Meaning?
 
STAHP
 
@JasperLoy I don't know. Not west?
 
3:08 PM
yes, @Mike, that's rational homotopy stuff from Quillen, Griffiths, Sullivan, Morgan.
 
You people are cohomologizing too much
Look at my question above
 
Well, I'm leaving :P
 
@Alizter East as in Asia?
 
Noooo @Ted.
 
I didn't know Griffiths and Morgan were involved in the story.
 
3:09 PM
Yeah. Or even some european countries
 
@Ted But we were having a fruitful conversation!
 
@JasperLoy If word problems and completing the square is your thing then do GCSE maths :P
 
@TedShifrin: I assure you. They will misbehave without you.
 
I like cold fruits
2
 
I like fresh fruit
 
3:10 PM
I like salad and donuts.
 
I'd like to leave.
 
i'd like a nap
 
Good night.
 
Sleep tight
 
@Alizter I got 7A1 and 3A2 for O levels and 4A for A levels.
 
3:11 PM
@JasperLoy: You were supposed to say something about bedbugs
 
@Balarka Well, one's always free to do so.
 
@Nick I am too busy talking to my favourite user.
 
@JasperLoy: What are O and A leveles? Blood groups?
 
@Nick Exams taken at 16 and 18.
 
@Alizter: ... I got a B for my O levels then. I'm about to write my A levels, I'm aiming for an A+. (Hey, these do remarkably sound like blood groups)
 
3:13 PM
@MikeMiller oh forgot to mention : what i showed you yesterday is interesting. i mailed prof he said they are called solenoid spaces
 
ooo, solenoids
 
you know about them, @Semiclassical?
 
(that's my physics brain reacting, mind, not my math brain)
 
I have a donut
Let's make it a torroid :D
 
@Semiclassical oh LOL
 
3:15 PM
@Semiclassical: You know how there's only a magnetic field inside the solenoid :D That's pretty neat :D
 
in electromagnetism, you use solenoids (tightly wound coils of wire) to produce large magnetic fields by driving a current through them
ehhh, only in the infinite length limit
 
$$\left|\vec B\right| = \mu_0 n I$$
 
i think that's a little deceptive, b/c for any finite solenoid you do get a field outside. it might be weak, but it's still there
 
@Semiclassical: Is that above right?
 
if n is the turns per unit length, yes
 
3:17 PM
Yay, I remember stuff from Physics class :D
 
Yes $n = N/l$
 
if you want to see a neat application of solenoids in quantum physics, look up the Aharanov-Bohm effect
though in that context all i mean by solenoid is "thing that creates a confined magnetic flux", rather than any specific realization of that
@BalarkaSen But, what're solenoid spaces in the math context?
 
@Semiclassical: Remember coils, we always need it coily woily space wacey :D
 
@Semiclassical I don't know. Never googled. I can show you my construction though.
Interested?
 
3:19 PM
yes :D
 
sure, though in all likelihood it'll go over my head
 
mine too
 
@Semiclassical OK. So think of the $p$-adics.
 
I'm out
lol
 
snerk
but, sure
 
3:21 PM
The inverse limit of the groups $\Bbb Z/p^i$s with the pullback maps $\Bbb Z/p^{i+1} \to \Bbb Z/p^i$ defined by modding through $p^i$ is precisely $\mathbf{Z}_p$, right?
Now think of the Cayley graphs $\Gamma(\Bbb Z/p^i)$ of the cyclic groups.
 
if you say so! (i really don't know inverse limits)
but don't worry, just keep going on
 
Keep Moving Forward
 
@alizter Usually the same book costs less on amazon.com than amazon.co.uk, lol.
 
There is also a geometric construction similar to the construction of $p$-adics : Consider the inverse system of $\Gamma(\Bbb Z/p^i)$ which are all quasi isomorphic to $S^1$s with the pullback morphisms being the covering maps $x \mapsto x^{p^i}$ as $\Gamma(\Bbb Z/p^{i+1}) \to \Gamma(\Bbb Z/p^i)$
My question is, what would be the inverse limit of this.
 
@JasperLoy: Brit Logic : \$20 wine tastes better when sold for \$100
 
3:24 PM
i trust that that's a rhetorical question, since that did indeed go over my head
 
The object one would get is presumably called a solenoid space.
 
@Nick Indian wine tastes terrible then, lol.
 
so it's something that can be constructed in a similar manner as the p-adics but with different ingredients
 
right
inverse limit of a bunch of circle by the covering maps
 
3:25 PM
@JasperLoy: Idk, I'm a minor. Can't drnk.
 
@Semiclassical it's probably related to $p$-adics. I dunno, that's what I am trying to figure out.
quickly removes in case @Mike sees and solves it before me
 
hmm. i wonder if that association with S^1 is why they call them solenoid spaces
 
@Semiclassical maybe.
 
just at the level of imagery, i mean
 
@BalarkaSen: Are you sure that mathematical construction has nothing to do with the following figure:
 
3:28 PM
in any case, i have to go.
@Nick well, more or less
 
bunch of circles, stacked on one another
 
that's a tower of S^1s
 
49 secs ago, by Semiclassical
just at the level of imagery, i mean
Indeed
 
it's not quite the right metaphor, though, since all those 'circles' are actually one wire coiled up
but the name doesn't really matter
 
What's in a name?
 
3:30 PM
if someone starts doing a math parody of shakespeare i'm out :P
 
How's that an answer?
 
oh it got deleted.
 
Thank God
 
@Semiclassical: "(2B) OR NOT(2B), that is the question", said shakespeare. I say, it's not a question, it's a tautology.
 
My BMI is now 25 point something, I should try to reduce it a little.
 
3:32 PM
managed to capture it though
 
@Jasper Mine is negative
 
@JasperLoy: What? IBM crashed by 25 points? Should I sell?
 
Yep Everything
 
I have not done any exercise for the past 10 years, LOL.
 
@Balarka Just be careful; solenoids are very special to the topological groups you're taking inverse limits of (I.e. that they're circles).
 
3:33 PM
(What if chat was like IRL, where people mishear things)
 
I have also not done any math exercises for the past 10 years, LOL.
 
@JasperLoy But you answer questions on MSE
 
@JasperLoy You answer questions on MSE :P
jinx
 
Jinx, lol.
 
@Alizter Don't copy me
 
3:34 PM
@JasperLoy: ... Get a textbook, get a treadmill. Do them both at the same time.
 
@user130018 I can't copy, it was at the same time.
 
I saw it
 
I will try to work out in Nov and Dec. Soon I will look like Taylor Lautner again.
 
@Alizter I bet you used a time machine
 
@Balarka the Wikipedia article shows that you won't possibly end up with $\Gamma(\Bbb Z_p)$ as your inverse limit, since solenoids aren't path-connected.
 
3:35 PM
@user130018 No. History.SE has it.
 
@Alizter Do we really have a History SE?
 
@user130018 Yes. And their chatroom is called The time machine.
 
@Alizter lol
 
@Alizter: History. Who remembers.
 
@Nick Historians.
 
3:36 PM
@Alizter: Wait, is their mod called HG Wells. then, it would be hilarious
 
@alizter Sorry to bother you again. Are you familiar with the books used by the other boards?
 
@MikeMiller I haven't see that page but I am not interested in $\Gamma(\mathbf{Z}_p)$
 
@JasperLoy Pretty much no. You could try MEI. The girls school uses that. It is supposedly more difficult however they use $j$ for complex numbers.
 
I am interested in the space in particular, not the name, too.
 
j for complexes, lol, wtf.
 
3:41 PM
Electronic engineering
because they confuse with current i
 
Aha.
Wow, I learnt something new today, lol.
 
Which is why I cannot talk about Residue theorems with girls because I forget my j
 
Just let me try to think about it, @Mike. I've let you know about them just because you might be interested. Note that I know nothing of solenoids, I have simply found a construction of something which has a fancy name.
 
actually either way they would think I was crazy
 
@Alizter: What the heck are complex numbers doing dancing around with $\frac{\mathrm d q}{\mathrm d t}$ ? It's shocking.
 
3:43 PM
Is it ethical to take a screenshot of a deleted answer?
 
Yes. If it serves purpose.
 
No. The one answer i got shyed away. I need to find the flaw in it. I think the only flaw I have found is that the answer does not look nice,.
 
I'm going to think of them about the construction with the topological aspect and the graph theoretic aspect both, and try understanding them. I don't want any facts to be revealed, @Mike. I'd appreciate if you won't reveal them. Hints, if asked, would be most appreciated.
(I haven't yet seen any references about solenoids -- I want to think about it first)
 
@Nick You are a Coulomb guy.
 
@Alizter: Well, that's good a reason as any.
 
3:45 PM
@Nick Let's settle our potential differences elsewhere.
 
@alizter Is your name Alizter or Ali?
 
Ali zter?
 
Aladin:D
 
In particular $\Gamma(\mathbf Z_p)$ does not exist. For constructing the Cayley graph you need a finite or at least countable generating set to begin with @Mike. $\mathbf{Z}_p$ is uncountably infinite.
 
3:46 PM
It was deleted
but same approach
 
@Alizter Answer doesn't look good to me.
 
@Alizter: I wish I could be as punny as you, Al.
 
@PedroTamaroff Probably why it was deleted then
 
It is wrong.
I think.
 
think again
 
3:48 PM
@Nick Currently I have power.
 
(there's no harm)
 
There's no ham
 
@Alizter: I'm laughing so much, it Hertz
 
@Nick I don't have the energy to continue with these.
@Nick I am putting you in charge.
 
@Alizter: But you have so much potential!
 
3:51 PM
What the hell is this conversation
 
I am going to sleep in 1 hour.
 
Sorry for cursing
 
@Nick Staticly speaking there is a 1 in 2 chance this will end badly.
 
@Alizter: You seem so well grounded.
 
@Nick I am neutral on this matter.
 
3:55 PM
@alizter I spent over 1000 USD on my 12 holy books...
 
@Nick Seriesly I am resisting a comeback.
 
@Alizter: Watt are you doing to insulate yourself?
 
They are now my most precious possession.
 
@JasperLoy: I have a "Lord of The Rings" Ring, that's my precious... yes, my precious...yes..
 
@Nick I try to keep positive.
@Nick But sometimes I just blow a fuse.
@Nick I can also be very cellfish.
 
3:58 PM
@alizter @user130018 I think I will send you my pic later this year when I take one, lol.
 
@Balarka The construction works fine with an uncountable generating set. The graph obtained just sucks as a metric space. Anyway, it's very difficult to have a conversation with you when it's not clear what we're talking about at any given point. Let me know when you've got some coherent ideas penned down.
 
@Nick Come on nick! We need to alternate! be more direct with me
 
@Alizter: But that only attracts the negative. You're not going to get too many fans with that attitude. You've got to transform.
 
@JasperLoy I thought you sent me a photo already
 
@Nick flux off.
 
3:59 PM
@JasperLoy Maybe that was someone else
 
@Alizter: Don't try to deflect. You're entangling yourself in a Webber of self induced lies.
 
eeek I have messed up today
 
Let me Tesla something very Franklin, with great power comes great transponder ability.
 
It's so weird that there are so many book series for Math but not Further Math @alizter, lol.
 
@JasperLoy: Into the Further yee shall go; Yee may not return.
(that was from the horror movie Insidious)
@Alizter: Hey, whatever you messed up, I believe you can fix it. You conduit, man!
 
4:11 PM
@Nick Oh I can fix it it is just not too good for my health
@JasperLoy So are Marsden and Weinstein Calc I, II, III just the standard uni courses with III being multivariate?
 
@Alizter Yes. In Cambridge you will start with Analysis I instead of Calculus I, but Calculus I and II cover more than the calculus syllabus in the A levels.
@Alizter Calculus III will be like Cambridge's Vector Calculus course.
 
@JasperLoy I think in M5 at a level they do vector calc :P
 
@Alizter Oh? OK, but I think it should be very minimal.
 
Yes.
Still no freaking formal limits
 
@Alizter: ... Okay, Bob. Answer me this again: Can you fix it?
 
4:16 PM
@Nick Bob has actually been homeless for the last few years.
 
...
 
@JasperLoy What is the difference between Classic and Basic by Cohn?
 
@Alizter: But he was employed and everything. Watt went wrong?
 
@Alizter They are different books. The three books used to be Algebra I,II,III in the past. The publisher's description might be a bit misleading.
 
@Nick Turns out he had an off-sure account and was directing profits for his own gain. He also has a history of tax avoidance. He was transferred to a mental hospital after he scared some members of the public talking to construction vehicles. When he was released he had further charges of public vandalism.
@JasperLoy They seem to cover the same stuff.
 
4:21 PM
@Alizter The books got renamed when it split between 2 publishers, Wiley and Springer. So although Springer says it's a 2 volume work it really depends on the Wiley one. There is some overlap but they are essentially different.
 
@Alizter: Actually, the difference between those two books is the difference between an alpaca and Jasper:
 
@JasperLoy Oh classic only goes into linear algebra. Not much field theory.
 
@Alizter Classic does linear algebra and very basic abstract algebra. Basic continues with the abstract algebra.
 
Did you know that Taylor Lautner was shark boy. From shark boy and lava girl?
 
"Yes, Yes I did", Nick said like Phineas
 
4:23 PM
@JasperLoy I have anderson and feil which starts with rings, then groups, then vector spaces and finishes on galois theory. Nice cute book.
 
@Alizter Galois is covered only in Basic, not Classic.
 
@JasperLoy: So, which one is the alpaca? Basic or Classic?
 
@JasperLoy I want to master my book for now then I might read cohn :P
basic that is
Cohn basic does not look like an introductory text
 
@Alizter It builds on Classic.
 
hmm classic does more with groups than my book.
 
4:30 PM
@JasperLoy: I meant to ask: Which one has hairier math? I'd like to buy the other one. The sexy one.
 
@Nick I don't like hairy.
 
@JasperLoy: So, neither is hairy? both are good?
 
@Alizter Yes, as you will soon realise, undergrad books differ from each other more than pre-undergrad books.
 
(I don't like hairy either)
 
So then how is there any consistency with education?
 
4:31 PM
@Nick You must be drunk.
 
@Alizter: (There is none)
@JasperLoy: And you must be Jasper, nice to meet you.
 
@Alizter As you will soon realise, every university math course in the world is different, lol. Cambridge has the best 3 year course in the world to me.
@Alizter However, maybe Warwick has the best 4 year course, lol.
 
I'm actually sick. Very sick. I have a fever spiking to 104. I'm burning up. The coughing is what's killing me though.
 
@Alizter My course was one of the worst in the world, lol.
 
So yes, I may be more abnormal than normal. Thank you for noticing
 
4:35 PM
Oh Rudin died very recently in 2010
 
@nic @jas @saw
 
@Alizter Marsden, Cohn and Rudin are dead. Weinstein and Lee are alive.
 
@JasperLoy How is your picture?
 
@Alizter What do you mean? I have not taken it yet, lol.
 
@JasperLoy What did you study whilst you were at university.
 
4:41 PM
@Alizter: Thank you for bringing up death while I'm this sick. No seriously, it's peaceful imagery.
 
@Alizter I studied math. You mean what modules? Too many to list, lol. But you are very lucky to be studying in the UK.
 
@JasperLoy How many years?
 
@Alizter I took 4 years of math and other modules. But it's only an honours degree, not a masters.
 
@JasperLoy did you ever write a thesis?
 
An honorable honors degree :D
 
4:42 PM
@Alizter Yes, I will email you now what I wrote.
 
@JasperLoy How many sentences :P
 
@JasperLoy: When you write a thesis, what is the abstract for? (random doubt)
 
@Nick Summary, lol.
@Alizter 25 pages, lol.
 
@Jasper: Oh, so it's like a summary that goes before the content. Interesting :D
(I have not read a single math paper with a decent abstract then... maybe I haven't read a decent math paper yet... or even worse, I haven't decently read a math paper yet)
 
@Nick The English word you want there is question, not doubt.
 
4:47 PM
@Nick It is for lazy normal people who want to know what your paper is about but cba going through it.
 
"Doubt" means you don't believe someone or something. Question means you're curious about something.
@Alizter There are a hell of a lot of papers. One can't go through them all. Knowing the results at the start helps one decide if it's worth it for what you're interested in.
 
@MikeMiller: A doubt is a question according to my Thesaurus. I should get a new one then.
 
@MikeMiller Hence the strikethrough :P
 
Just shot an opportunist goal
 
@Nick I've seen Indian MSE users use doubt in that way a lot; I wonder why.
 
4:49 PM
@MikeMiller: It's Indian English. It's a vulcanized form of Jamaican, British and American English neatly rolled into a jam filled chappathi.
 
@MikeMiller Have you ever met robjohn?
I see you are within walking distance.
 
@MikeMiller perhaps because of the relation to Skepticism
 
ahh my eyes
Why don't they rename west virginia to north west virginia?
or join south and north Carolina and join west virginia and virginia so there are 50 states?
And why do so many countries and states have weird names?
 
Well, I'm off to bed. Ah, my chest hurts like hell. Anyone have any tips to ward off a runny nose... and an annoying persisting cough that sounds like a faulty Volkswagen engine starting?
 
@Nick Voltswagen.
hahahaha
 
4:58 PM
@Alizter: Yeah, it sounds like a lot of things. A walrus riding a Voltswagen is the perfect description.
 
@Nick No, electric pun. Facepalm
 
Ah, I knew my german was okay/
... well, I should get into bed. G'night everybody!
 
@Nick Some people pull (diluted!) rose essence through the nose. Burns like hell, and that sort of sniffing fluids makes your head feel like exploding, but after that, you have got hours of peace.
 
@Alizter I haven't. UCLA is a big place.
 
@MikeMiller but I can put my hand over it?!
 
5:02 PM
A very funny question by Furdui $$\int_0^1 \log^2(\sqrt{1+x}-\sqrt{1-x}) \ dx$$
@robjohn have you previously seen the one above?
@Alizter @N3buchadnezzar @DanielFischer ^^
 
@Alizter If I shrink it small enough, I can put my thumb over all of Africa. :D
 
Happy halloween from us.
 
@Nick Isn't it too early?
And why do you post leaves?
 
@Sawarnik Decode that as Nick leaves
 
There is too much suffering in many parts of this world. Why even be born in those sick places?
 
5:16 PM
@ccorn Oh :D
 
The more I think about this world, the more it does not make sense. Sometimes I wish I can save everyone.
However, right now, I might not even be able to save myself.
 
@JasperLoy In the beginning of Nietzsche's Thus spoke Zarathustra, Z. meets an old man and tells him that he wants to give his insights (or whatever, I've forgotten) to the people. The old man said: Give them nothing, better take a bit off their load. (In the sense of "relieve them a bit", you know.)
 
My connection is so slow :(
@Alizter lol
@Alizter Why are you so annoyed? :O :O
 
@alizter I did not know CUP and OUP publish so many math textbooks for primary and secondary education. Browsing their sites now.
 
5:34 PM
@Sawarnik I am becoming old and senile. Like Balarka.
 
@Alizter I think you will find a girlfriend before I do lol.
@alizter See what I found education.cambridge.org/as/subject/mathematics/… entire series listed
 
@Nick texmaker
 
@Chris'ssis Ok. Let $I(a)=\int_0^1 (\sqrt{x+1}-\sqrt{x-1})^adx$ then $I''(0)$ is the one you want. For $I(a)$ sub $\sqrt{x+1}-\sqrt{x-1}=u$ to get some mess. Then being careful with powers that are being integrated evaluate this simple power rule marathon. I see a lot of rationals logs and pis being generated. CBA to work this all out but setting $a=0$ at the second derivative gives you the value.
Yeah I used mathematica and the answer was not suprising.
 
5:51 PM
@Alizter lol
 
@Alizter I wouldn't make things such complicated ...
 
@Chris'ssis There would be a better way no?
What is your way?
 
@Alizter you may start with the integration by parts $$\int_0^1 x'\log^2(\sqrt{1+x}-\sqrt{1-x}) \ dx$$
 
Sorry I am giggling at the cartman qoute
@RespectMyAuthoritah Do you like fish sticks?
 

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