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2:00 PM
@DanielFischer "punctured plane" as in $\Bbb C$?
 
@TheArtist:
$$\lim_{x \to 0} \frac{1 - cos x}{x} \\

= \lim_{ x \to 0 } \frac{ \sin^2 x }{ x\cdot ( 1 + \cos x )}\\

= \lim_{ x \to 0 } \frac{(\sin x )\cdot( \frac{\sin x}{x} )\cdot 1 }{ 1 + \cos x }\\

= \frac{( 0 )\cdot(1)\cdot1}{( 1 + 1 )} \\

= 0
$$
 
@BalarkaSen $\mathbb{C}\setminus \{0\}$.
 
Are there any plugins to show latex in the chat? Or do you guys just read it as is?
 
OK, I can't imagine the cylinder.
 
@BalarkaSen: See above. I multiplied numerator and denominator with $(1+\cos x)$
 
2:00 PM
@ChantryCargill here
 
@IceBoy Thanks a lot.
 
@IceBoy: For one second, I thought you were insulting me. lol
 
:D
 
That works @Nick
 
any pointers for converting to cylindrical coordinates?
 
Is this thing periodically replaced by a different user?
 
Oh it's already starred xD
 
If so, I wanna do it next time!
 
Oh, it's so beautiful.
 
In any case, @Daniel. The points left out aren't my concern. The genus over $\Bbb P^1$ is.
 
2:05 PM
@Nick Firstly thank you very much :) but it's $\frac{sin (1-cos x)}{x}$ not $\frac{1-cos x}{x}$
 
20 mins ago, by Nick
@TheArtist : $\frac{\sin(1 - \cos x)}{x} = \frac{\sin(1 - \cos x)}{1 - \cos x} \cdot \frac{1 - \cos x}{x}$
 
@Nick oh got it :D Thanks :D yes that clicked me now ;)
 
@MikeMiller quick, what's the genus of the RS of $w^3 = z$ over $\Bbb P^1$?
 
@Nick thanks :)
 
@TheArtist: You are Mel, the cow. (that's how we say welcome in my country)
 
2:07 PM
at least one of you guys has to know how to do problems involving cylindrical coordinates :P
 
Only one
 
happy? ;)
 
Who knows?
 
@Nick what? :p
 
@MikeMiller Are you referring to my message?
 
2:09 PM
@Chris'ssis Yah, I saw that :) Well done.
 
Yes.
 
@Nick ohhh what? :p "Mel the cow' means welcome? :p
 
Darn you, @Mike.
 
it's only calc 3...
 
I don't think about such things very much.
 
2:13 PM
@balarkasen saw you pinging me earlier, what's up?
 
@Semiclassical I need your way to think about Riemann surfaces. How would you realize $w^3 = z$ over P^1?
 
hmm
well, it's cubed, so there's three sheets
 
mmhmm
 
and it's got branch points at 0, infinity
 
LOL
someone wrote on the blackboard here to instill the holiday spirit
 
2:16 PM
so i'd imagine it as: you take three riemann surfaces, slice them open, and glue them together in a specific way
 
RED RUM
RED RUM
RED RUM
WHITE WINE
RED RUM
 
lol
@MikeMiller What are you dressing up as for Halloween
 
so i think you'd just end up with another riemann sphere like in the $w^2=z$ case, except that you need to go through an argument of $6pi$ to get back to the surface instead of $4pi$
 
HAHAH @Mike
 
I'm not, as I couldn't find the necessary ingredients at any of the nearby stores
 
2:17 PM
@MikeMiller What would you have dressed up as?
 
@Semiclassical So what's the genus supposed to be? 0?
 
think so
 
hmm. grumph.
 
Ziggy stardust, @user130018
 
LOL @Mike
 
2:18 PM
If i were going to do a costume (i'm not) i'd dress up as Jacob Marley from a Christmas Carol
 
Sierpinski dust.
 
i.e. the ghost that's wrapped in chains
 
I love Ziggy
 
The real challenge (to myself) is to get a very nice solution to $$\int_0^1 \frac{(1-x+x\log(x))\operatorname{Li_3(x)}}{(x-1) x \log(x)} \ dx=\frac{5}{4}\zeta(4)-\gamma \zeta(3)+\zeta'(3)$$
 
somehow that seems like the right choice for a jaded grad student :P
 
2:18 PM
@Semiclassical Urm. Then what about $w^9 = z$?
 
Really I want to be the thin white duke but I don't the necessary clothes or the money to get them
Or the money for the cocaine needed to get into the persona
 
Omg, halloween is today!
31st November?
 
if i'm following the right logic (i very well could be being dumb somewhere) it's always genus-zero for any $w^N=z$
 
@TheArtist: It's a joke on a joke from a movie; a wedding decorator's incompetent team mixed up the M and the W on a "WELCOME" sign and it read as "MELCOWE". That really stuck to my head and "Mel, the cow" is my original spin off :D`
 
oh well
 
2:21 PM
How are you defining the genus for a non compact surface that doesn't embed into any compact one?
 
Hi @alizter!
 
@JasperLoy hello
@JasperLoy Do you know of any sequences such that $x_n \sim \log x_n$?
 
@Alizter Are you familiar with IB math?
 
@JasperLoy No. I hear it is simpler than A-level though.
 
@Alizter No.
@Alizter I see in the bookstores that the IB books have two levels, standard level and higher level, hmm...
 
2:23 PM
@JasperLoy It is a French thing.
 
Hi @JasperLoy
 
@Alizter Aha! If it is French, it cannot be that bad.
@user130018 Hi Bart!
 
Exclamation point
 
I think I should check out the books Introducing Pure Math by Wiseman and Further Pure Math by Gaulter.
 
@user130018: Wait, you're name is Bart! Well, i have the perfect username for you, if you're interested.
 
2:25 PM
@Finn What is it?
 
They probably are similar to Bostock's Pure Math 1 and 2.
 
@user130018: NameNotRequired
 
@Finn Too long
 
Why are you now obsessed with high school math books, @JasperLoy?
@user130018 I suggest the name "Java Jive"
 
@user130018: Aww, well. How about El-Barto
 
2:27 PM
@MikeMiller That sounds perfect
 
@MikeMiller Well, perhaps because I did not have a happy childhood, so I am obsessed with all childhood things.
I also looked at the books offered by Art of Problem Solving on aops.com. Look good too.
 
@user130018 Could just go with FNU.
 
As seen in academia.SE
@JeffE Mine explicitly allows "colourless liquids" and forbids everything else. At some point, I really must exploit this by drinking vodka in seminars. – David Richerby 1 hour ago
 
@JasperLoy: ... No, people who have happy childhoods also cling onto childish things. Therefore the happiness in childhood is irrelevant.
 
@ChantryCargill An international student in my class has "FNU" as his first name because from his country, he only has one name (and no surname)
 
2:29 PM
I was born in a bad family and a bad country. I have had a very bad life.
 
@user130018 Yeah, it's more common than you'd think.
 
@ChantryCargill Wow, really
 
@user130018 I was watching John Oliver the other day. He was doing a show on how it is like winning the lottery getting american citizenship if you served as a translator over seas.
 
But @alizter the Edexcel books are fucking expensive.
 
@user130018 And one of the people who actually made it to the USA had the name, simply because they somehow couldn't figure out what his first name was
 
2:30 PM
@JasperLoy I know. It is not worth getting them.
 
@Alizter They should just make the 18 books into 4 big books and reduce the price.
 
Why do you want these books anyway? Why don't you read your holy books?
 
I made a question for my cylindrical problem
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Q: Plot Cartesian prism in cylindrical system

Zach SaucierMy objective: Use cylindrical coordinates to find the volume of the prism whose base is the triangle in the xy-plane given by y = 0, x = 1, and y = $\frac{7}{2} x$, and whose top is given by z = 8 - y. In Cartesian coordinates, this is straightforward to me: $\int_{0}^{1}\int_{0}^{7/2x}\in...

 
@Alizter I am going to read my holy books next. So I am not getting the A Level books now, maybe in future, for fun.
 
@JasperLoy You do not have to do the same exam board as me. Just buy some generic a level maths books. They should be plenty and cheap.
 
2:33 PM
@Alizter I wanted to get Bostock and Chandler Pure Math 1 and 2. But there is no Applied Math 1 and 2. But maybe I don't want to read the applied math parts after all.
 
Quickly $$-8 = 3 \mod k$$ What's k?
 
@JasperLoy Applied is stasstics and mechanics
@Nick 11
 
thanks :D
 
@Alizter The Edexcel series is the only series I know that covers everything in math and further math, pure and applied.
 
@Nick I can do that one :P
 
2:35 PM
@JasperLoy Get your pure a level books and I shall hunt for some good applied books
 
@Alizter Oh, and when you do undergrad, remember my 12 holy books!
 
@JasperLoy Email me so I can remember :P
I am not sure what books I will be studying for the courses
 
@Alizter OK, I will write the email now.
 
@ZachSaucier: try working on how to parametrize the triangular base first, i.e. how you'd describe the triangle in polar coordinates
 
@ZachSaucier: Yeah, I don't know how to work with $\text{mod}$ yet. All I understand are clocks and the k value is like the max number to which that clock will go after which it recycles
 
2:38 PM
the angular range is simple. describing the radial range is trickier.
 
@Alizter Email sent, though if you enter a good UK university the lectures and recommended books are probably more suitable and sufficient.
 
@Semiclassical do I use the max value of x and y then?
 
i'm not sure what you're intending by that
 
@Semiclassical $r = \sqrt{(1)^2 + (\frac{7}{2})^2}$ ?
 
@alizter The list of books I showed you earlier on today are Cambridge A Levels, but for a single math subject only, not further math, which is why they covered much less.
 
2:45 PM
Further maths is just further pure with extra applied subjects
 
@ZachSaucier that would mean that you have a boundary described by a constant radius
i.e. a circular arc
 
What you could also do is read the specification for all of the exams on the website
 
Math has pure and applied, and so does further, yes, that's my understanding.
 
then you will know what to learn
and learn it your self
 
@Semiclassical I suppose my point is that I don't know how to set it up :P
 
2:46 PM
@Alizter Yes. The Cambridge schedules for undergrad syllabus is very detailed.
 
@JasperLoy Even for a level.
 
My further math paper used to be 3 hours I think.
 
@Zach: Set up the triangle with vertices $(0,0)$, $(1,0)$, and $(1,1)$ in polar. Draw a picture of what happens for a general $\theta$ in your range, and use it to figure out the limits of $r$ for that $\theta$.
 
I want some laws in my country to change. I am thinking of emailing the ministers, but I am afraid they will blacklist me.
 
@TedShifrin!
 
2:51 PM
Now my favourite users in this chat are @alizter and @user130018.
 
hi @Balarka
You're so fickle, @Jasper :)
 
@TedShifrin What should be the genus of the Riemann surface of $w^3 = z$ over $\Bbb P^1$? I feel like 1 but not sure.
 
@TedShifrin Well, I never announced a favourite user before this, lol.
 
Be careful, @Balarka. Is that algebraic curve nonsingular or singular?
So you have to be careful about what genus even means.
 
@Ted I have a question about the classification of flat tori.
 
2:55 PM
Classification?
 
The bit that says they all come from lattices with one vector $(1,0)$ and the other in a nice domain.
 
It's weird that many algebraic topology books these days don't cover classification of curves and surfaces.
 
@TedShifrin Singular over $\Bbb R$. How does that relate to genuses?
 
Oh, you mean algebraic structure, not differential geometric?
What do you even mean by genus for a singular curve, @Balarka?
 
No, I mean differential geometric. Up to homothety, which I suppose ends up being the same as up to conformal transformation, since the result is the same.
 
2:57 PM
OK, so you mean conformal structures, which is the same, actually, as holomorphic/algebraic structure.
 
ted makes a good point, which i'd forgotten to be careful about. $y^2=x$ is nonsingular, $y^3=x$ isn't
 
So, yeah, this is classical stuff — almost number theory for @Balarka. There's the $\tau$ or $j$-invariant.
 
@TedShifrin hm?
 
There are singular point(s) at infinity, @Balarka. You need to talk about the compact curve to talk about genus.
 
I'm aware that conformal structures are the same as the holomorphic structure in the case of orientable surfaces. But it's not obvious that "up to homothety" and "up to conformal equivalence" are the same. Anyway.
 
2:59 PM
@TedShifrin Well, I am thinking about the Riemann surface over P^1...
 

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