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5:00 PM
:)
 
You can do it precisely with the quadratic formula, if you want, @TheLittleNaruto, but I'm saying that when k is large, the k in k^2+k can be ignored.
@Owatch: I do too show up :P
 
Okay now you do.
Your thumbnail/avatar was a green pattern. Now it's orange and in the correct spot.
 
Huh? I'm all green.
Something funny is going on with colors on these avatars. Other people were talking about that.
 
-_-
Are you messing with me?
 
@TedShifrin I see.
Arigato
And yes I can see it all green.
 
5:02 PM
Yeah it's green again now.
 
@Owatch: You're hallucinating.
 
Mhm
Ted the shapeshifter.
 
Something is weird with MSE.
 
The avatar is auto generated isn't it? Perhaps it's generating a new icon too often.
 
I've had the same icon forever!
 
5:04 PM
I was under the impression it did a one off when creating the account.
Yeah.
It also has a habit of making a lot of pseudo swastikas.
 
Maybe Trump programmed it.
 
Trump went that far ? D:
 
Most bots tend to show fascist tendencies.
Tay, the Microsoft twitter bot. RIP
Was supposed to learn from users interacting with it over Twitter. Unfortunately it was quickly turned into a genocidal ultra fascist once a certain crowd caught wind of it.
 
How encouraging about the world we live in ...
 
Maybe I'll make myself a bot someday.
Can send me inspiring messages.
 
5:09 PM
Your own pet to mo(u)ld as your hot desires.
heart, that was supposed to be
 
I've got about a week until classes return.
Then it's another grueling year.
 
@TedShifrin lol
 
g'day @Balarka
 
Hello Ted.
 
Probably should have done more interesting things this summer. Mostly spent it by myself.
 
5:13 PM
Well, there's never a perfect solution.
 
Hi @Ted!
And @Balarka
 
Hi @Danu!! :)
 
I'm stuck on some seriously pesky point set topology
 
Hi @Danu.
 
I figured you'd have a good complex geometry question.
 
5:13 PM
^page 6, man
So, I have the following situation
 
Huy
@Owatch why
 
Guten Tag, @Huy.
 
I want to show that a function of several complex variables, presented as an integral over $\partial B_\epsilon(0)\subset \Bbb C$ of a holomorphic function, is holomorphic.
 
Huy
Guten Abend, @TedShifrin.
 
Oh yeah, Abend to you.
 
5:14 PM
In the proof, I need the following fact:
 
Are you sure it's the boundary of the ball, and not an $n$-dimensional torus, @Danu?
 
@Huy Why did I spent it by myself? Mostly circumstance. Can't travel much, costly. Live alone as it is. Friends left to their home countries.
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: what would you tell a 14 years old kid who asked you if you could teach him something about quaternions?
 
Yes @Ted I'm sure---just integrating a single dimension
 
Oh, wait, you mean the ball in $\Bbb C$.
Show him how to do rotations in 3-space using quaternions, @Huy.
 
5:16 PM
So say we have this integrand, call it $f$ (the integral will be called $g$). To show that $g$ is holomorphic, we do the following: Since $f$ is holom., it has a power series expansion on $B_{\delta(\xi)}\times B_{\delta'(\xi)}(z)\subset V\times U$, where $U,V$ are open in $\Bbb C^n,\Bbb C$.
Now, I just need to subdivide the integral into parts that lie inside this "domain of power series"
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: how would I make this interesting? I mean I know how it works, but I've never actually used it (for something else)
 
So what the proof does is consider $\partial B_\epsilon(0)$, and cover it in half-radius disks (also in the plane) $B_{\delta(\xi)/2}(\xi)$. Then, Huybrechts states the following:
 
Huy
(and I don't find quaternions so fascinating in the first place ...)
 
Take a look at Curtis's book Matrix Groups, @Huy. I no longer have it, but it's relatively elementary and has all sorts of stuff in it.
 
There's the proof of Lagrange four-squares theorem out there. But that's not a geometric application of quaternions so not sure if you'd want to teach him that.
 
5:19 PM
By compactness, we can pick finitely many such disks (around finitely many $\xi_i$)so that the following two conditions are satisfied:

1. $\bigcup(\partial B_\epsilon(0)\cap B_{\delta(\xi_i)/2}(\xi_i)$ is *a disjoint union* (I assume he means it's disconnected, here).

2. $\partial B_\epsilon(0)=\bigcup(\partial B_\epsilon(0)\cap \overline{B_{\delta(\xi_i)/2}(\xi_i)}$
 
Nah, @Balarka.
 
@TedShifrin Heh, knew you'd say so.
 
Huy
:D
I'm not quite sure what his motivation for quaternions is, I have to ask
probably just "other kids only know rational/real numbers, some smart kids know complex numbers so I must know quaternions !!"
 
This is a problem for me: If I just use compactness in the obvious way, I get an open subcovering which is clearly not going to be disjoint (no covering can be disjoint because the circle isn't)
But then I don't see if/how I can make it disjoint, while ensuring condition 2.
The book doesn't say anything about it, and I'm pretty lost.
The closed sets cannot be used for a covering because then I can't guarantee a finite subcovering.
So what the heck do I do?
 
cry
 
5:23 PM
Any suggestions @TedShifrin or @BalarkaSen?
 
First, @Danu, I will reiterate that you shouldn't bog down in every picky detail, or you'll never learn the amount you need to. I have no idea why he's making this so obscure. But I think it's easy. I just need to think.
 
I find your question hard to parse, so I pass to @Ted, who probably knows the details because he's read the book.
 
No, @Balarka, I've never even seen the book.
 
@TedShifrin I know that I shouldn't---I need to go through about 250 pages in the next 2-3 weeks haha. But I hate not getting the "simple" details.
 
@TedShifrin Oh, yikes.
 
5:24 PM
@BalarkaSen What part of it is hard to parse?
 
@Danu: It was hard to parse. But it needn't be.
 
I'll just upload the original text, maybe it's clearer.
 
At a glance I am getting lost in the radius of balls.
 
Huy
@TedShifrin: off topic: how do mathematicians store their books & folders? in a (home) office on shelves? I don't have a lot of space but am worried to put a shelf in the basement due to moisture.
 
Balarka, we have a circle in the plane. We're trying to argue that we can cover it with closed balls that overlap only on their boundaries.
I had mildew issues even in my house, @Huy.
 
5:25 PM
Oh, seems clear.
 
Huy
:/
 
@Huy: I kept most stuff in my office at school, which was safe. I had something like 5 bookshelves.
 
 
Toooo many books.
@Danu: First of all, I'm not sure why we can't differentiate under the integral sign. That's one of the standard techniques. But hold on.
 
@TedShifrin You wanna just do $\frac{\partial}{\partial \bar z_i}$?
 
5:28 PM
Oh, @Danu, the balls are all centered on the circle in the first place. That makes it way easier.
@Danu Yes.
 
@TedShifrin Seems like an easier proof to me, too. Then again, I have no idea bout analysis so I might overlook all kinds of tricky shit.
 
But he's making this so obscure when it's not. Just cover the circle with finitely many closed "intervals" and choose the balls appropriately to get those intervals.
 
@TedShifrin The problem with that is that you don't get to pick the lengths of the intervals.
 
I see: He's trying to rig uniform convergence on closed disks.
 
You know $f$ converges on some polydisk with $\delta$ depending on $\xi$---so you need disks smaller than $\delta(\xi)$ around $\xi$
There is no control over $\delta$ (otherwise I'd just pass to a finite subcovering and try to "nudge the intervals around")
 
5:32 PM
OK, so choose finitely many eligible open disks that cover, and then shrink to get the intervals overlapping only on endpoints.
 
@TedShifrin So that'd be slightly different from the proof he does, right? You'd no longer be working with $\delta(\xi)/2$ in every case (but it doesn't matter because shrinking is okay)
 
The $\delta(\xi)$ doesn't have to be optimal.
The $\delta/2$ is done (as happens in complex analysis frequently) to insure uniform convergence on the closed ball. But anything less than $\delta$ will do there, anyhow.
 
@TedShifrin Yeah, exactly
Okay, thanks. Still wonder what Huybrechts had in mind, but this works.
 
Move on :P
 
If you have a continuous function and you restrict it to a compact set, it becomes uniformly continuous on that set. But what if you restrict it to a set that simply bounded?
 
5:36 PM
I am... Hartogs' theorem.
 
Nice theorem ... very, very cool.
 
Hartogs is good.
 
It starts to show you how higher dimensional complex analysis is different.
 
@0celo7 Not true then.
 
@BalarkaSen Do you have something specific in mind?
I'm talking about $R^n\to R^m$ here
 
5:38 PM
@0celo: Are you requiring that it be all of $\Bbb R^n$?
 
Oh, domain is all of $\Bbb R^n$?
 
Yes, $f:\Bbb R^n\to\Bbb R^m$ is continuous.
$X\subset\Bbb R^n$ is bounded. Is $f|X$ uniformly continuous?
They answer is yes if $X$ is also closed.
 
Yes, because you can restrict to the closure of $X$.
It's false if you allow a proper subset of $\Bbb R^n$ as your domain.
say open
 
Because the closure of $X$ need not be in that subset?
 
@TedShifrin Your avatar is changing colors for me all the time... What's going on with that?
 
5:41 PM
Yikes, @Danu, Owatch was complaining of the same thing. Don't ask me. Ask the MSE gurus.
 
Oh well...
 
E.g., $x\sin(1/x)$ on the right-half line. That's continuous, but not uniformly continuous on e.g. (0, 1], is it?
 
right, @0celo. Think of $f(x)=1/x$ on $\Bbb R-\{0\}$.
 
Orange is the new green, right...
@TedShifrin Ding ding ding Hartogs' theorem! :D
with $\Bbb R^2$ :P
 
Holomorphic except on a proper subset? :P
 
5:43 PM
Maybe xsin(1/x) is not quite right, scrap that. Something like that should work, hmm.
 
No, impossible to extend to the disk (in contrast with the higher-dimensional case)
 
@Balarka: What's wrong with my example?
Mr @Pedro !!!
 
Hey Ted.
 
@TedShifrin Nothing, it's perfectly fine.
 
@TedShifrin $1/x$ isn't uniformly continuous, what is your example showing exactly?
 
5:44 PM
But it's continuous on all of its domain, @0celo.
 
@0celo7 It's continuous on domain, but not uniformly continuous on any open set near $0$.
 
It gives a counterexample to your statement if the domain is a proper open subset.
 
Ah, ah, I see.
The restriction to $(0,1]$ is not uniformly continuous?
 
Replace my thing with $\sin(1/x)$ and the same principle works :)
 
Right.
 
5:45 PM
I wish my analysis professor gave us homework after we talk about the material
 
Pedro: They're complaining that I keep morphing back and forth between orange and green on here.
What do you mean, @0celo? He doesn't assign homework? Or he assigns homework at the beginning of the week due in a week and doesn't cover everything until the end of the week? (I did that all the time.)
 
@TedShifrin Would you mind taking a look at this?
@TedShifrin The latter
 
That's totally standard, @0celo.
 
My topology prof at least gives us a weekend
 
It's good to start thinking about things and then realize as he covers something — oh, that'll solve my problem.
 
5:47 PM
Analysis collects on Friday
 
@TedShifrin That's a good point.
However, it can also be very frustrating for students. I often found myself wasting a lot of time because of this.
 
^
 
Especially if/when I'm on a tight schedule (many courses), I only have 1 day, pretty much, to work on each course.
If I waste all of that time because we simply didn't cover the material yet, that sucks for me.
It'd be fine if the professor indicated that this is the case on some homework, but that'd defeat the purpose you mention.
 
Yeah, I don't recommend one day per course. I recommend cycling through the courses. But my students usually could tell from which section I assigned the problems from.
I generally tried to keep the homework slightly behind the lectures, by a day or so, but not more.
 
@TedShifrin Yeah, but that's much harder to plan. Especially when I'm taking 5 courses at a time, I need to be able to set hard cut-offs for when to stop working on something...
That gets tricky if you have 2-3 weekly "moments" for each course, instead of 1 block of a few hours time
 
5:50 PM
@TedShifrin What's really annoying is that there are things on the homework not defined in the book.
 
I've never thought about your geometry question, @0celo. I guess I hadn't thought about it: Given a metric space $X$ which is not complete, is there a metric inducing the same topology which is complete?
 
I think all of that is good preparation for "research", drawbacks notwithstanding.
 
Waste less energy being annoyed. Go talk to the professor if you've tried and you're stuck.
 
@TedShifrin I have a very quick proof that any manifold has a complete metric on it.
But I'm looking for a conformal complete metric.
 
Yeah, I have no idea.
 
5:52 PM
@TedShifrin Want to hear the quick proof?
 
I was never a classic Riemannian geometer.
No, actually, I was about to leave for now.
 
OK.
 
Keep working, @Danu :)
 
(That is to say, a research problem wouldn't contain much information on what you should use and what you shouldn't. It need not even make much sense for a person who's just started doing research, from what I gather from new grad students. But all of this is from a person who's nowhere near a researcher, so feel free to not pay attention)
 
@BalarkaSen He wants me to prove something with "totally Lipschitz" functions, but I don't know what that is.
That's not preparing me for research, it's an incomplete problem statement.
 
5:54 PM
Google is your friend.
 
let me know if you find anything
it's not a standard term
 
Then the professor who assigned it is your friend
 
Aha.
It says "locally," not "totally."
I need glasses.
 
:P
glasses are your friend then, indeed
 
Locally Lipschitz on a compact set implies globally Lipschitz. Just take a finite subcover of Lipschitz nbds, then take the minimum of Lipschitz constants?
 
5:57 PM
That's the idea, yes.
 
@0celo7 Yes. You want the maximum, though.
 
@TedShifrin I'm trying! :P
 
Hi @PedroTamaroff
 
@PedroTamaroff Oh, right.
thanks
 
user227867
6:33 PM
It seems that there are no more good movies in the world left for me to watch.
 
6:57 PM
@JasperLoy Have you seen "J'ai tué ma mere"?
 
7:24 PM
re: this question, am I losing my mind or isn't it clear that permutations in the symmetric group $S_g$ acting on $\{a_i\}$ and $\{b_i\}$ simultaneously induce automorphisms of $$\Gamma_g=\langle a_1,b_1,\cdots,a_g,b_g:[a_1,b_1],\cdots,[a_g,b_g]\rangle?$$
 
7:38 PM
I thought Fourier was an engineer
 
Huy
Fool.
 
good evening
@Jasper do you have any preference concerning the genre?
 
7:54 PM
hey alexandro which ends things are actually taking in toronto
hey @r9m
 
toronto?
 
r9m
@Agawa001 hello
 
@Alessandro the epicenter of earthquake arround which city ?
 
Accumoli, but also some nearby villages (Amatrice, Pescara del Tronto etc.) suffered a lot of damage
 
@Alessandro any main italian province touched ? as rome napoli are they far ?
 
8:00 PM
The earthquake was felt in both Rome and Napoli but they were too far to be damaged
 
8:13 PM
@Alessandro it seemed more focused on the eastern coast (i hope the cities attained by earthquake would be soon rehabilitated)
 
user227867
8:38 PM
@Krijn Nope.
 
user227867
@Alessandro Nope.
 
@JasperLoy Well then, there's your movie.
 
user227867
I expect to see you in it, lol.
 
Ha, I wish. No, it's made by this kid (19 years old when he made it) and won like 4 prizes at Cannes Film Festival
 
@krijn which movie are you talking about?
 
8:49 PM
J'ai tué ma mere
 
@krijn ah, yes, it's on my list of movies to watch
 
@Alessandro He also made "Mommy" although the two movies have very similar themes
The lead character of Mommy is played very well
 
@jasper do you have problems with violence in movies? Regardless of that, have you seen Children of Men?
 
drama ?
= boring
 
9:09 PM
@JasperLoy You ever seen "Harold and Maude"?
If not, get it and watch it.
It's a classic, and the soundtrack is of Cat Stevens (Yusuf). It considered a classic and an iconic classic.
Anyone else seen "Harold and Maude"?
 
no, but that one is also on my list of movies to watch
 
@Alessandro Could you recommend me a movie?
 
@Krijn same question as for Jasper, have you seen Children of Men?
 
I'll watch it one of these days
 
Children of Men? When released? If it's just a gore-fest, say so....but if it has any philosophical merit above sheer gore....tell me more!
 
9:20 PM
it's actually a great movie shot in 2006 by Alfonso Cuarón (director of Gravity)
I'll copy/paste the summary from imdb: In 2027, in a chaotic world in which women have become somehow infertile, a former activist agrees to help transport a miraculously pregnant woman to a sanctuary at sea.
 
Actually, wish it were called "Children of Women"! (hehehe) But, alas, I'm reading the summary you're providing....
 
the plot is simple but solid, the interpretations are great and I really like Cuaron's style, there are a couple of scenes in which I really loved some stylistic choices, a tribute to pink floyd and a fantastic long shot comes to mind
 
@Jasper Trying to email you via Windows 10 (I can answer any of my email accounts from there...but it keeps freezing up on me...email me and let me know if you're okay when you have the chance...I'll reply!
 
I have to go now, but let me know what you think if you end up watching it
 
@Alessandro ahhhhh, Thanks!
 
9:26 PM
@Alessandro take care and stay away from the hotspot
 
9:40 PM
@JasperLoy I can recommend some but normal people wouldn't care for those I guess.
@arctictern Do any permutation preserve the word? I am a bit worried about that.
Oh, you're saying, permutations which act on the indices of $a_i, b_i$ simultaneously.
 
yes
 
Then they just switch the conjugates, yeah? So product is the same.
Seems right to me.
In fact the corresponding homeomorphisms of the surface $\Sigma_g$ are not hard to see either, I don't think. You're switching the torii around before connected summing.
@0celo7 Nooo.
 
10:10 PM
@BalarkaSen turns out that Lipschitz proof isn't so trivial
 
Ah?
 
what if the two points you want to plug into the Lipschitz condition are not in the same open set from the covering
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Q: if locally Lipschitz implies Lipschitz on compacts.

Kenchin HaosNeed to demonstrate: Let $A$ be open in $\mathbb{R}^m$; let $g:A \longrightarrow \mathbb{R}^n$ a function locally Lipschitz. Show that if $C$ is a compact subset of $A$, then $g$ satisfies the Lipschitz condition on $C$. Someone can help me?

 
$\|f(x) - f(y)\| \leq \|f(x) - f(x_0)\| + \|f(x_0) - f(y)\|$.
 
currently trying to understand the first post
 
Pick $x_0$ to be in the intersection of the two open sets.
Then do the same idea.
 
10:14 PM
@BalarkaSen What do you do then?
 
Eh?
 
you need $||f(x)-f(y)||\le C||x-y||$
 
$x, x_0$ belong to the same open set; $x_0, y$ belong to the same open set.
And on those open sets $f$ is Lipschitz.
Surely you can find the desired constant now. This should be the idea in general.
 
Ok, so you get $||f(x)-f(y)||\le C_1||x-x_0||+C_2||x_0-y||$?
what then
 
Yes, in this special case.
In general if $x$ and $y$ are arbitrary points, look at a chain of open sets going from $x$ to $y$.
Look at the sum of $C_i$'s over each open set on that chain.
 
10:16 PM
I don't see how to get $C||x-y||$ from $C_1||x-x_0||+C_2||x_0-y||$.
 
Look at the supremum of that. This exists by compactness - that may require some work afterwards.
 
supremum over $x_0$?
in the intersection?
what do you do if there's no intersection, i.e. the set is disconnected
 
Work on a connected component.
Then take maximum over all the connected components.
 
does connected imply arcwise connected?
 
No.
 
10:19 PM
@BalarkaSen can you take a look at the first post in that link
 
No.
 
I don't see why $f$ fails to be locally lipschitz at $x$
why not
 
@0celo7 Pick the Lipschitz nbhds so that $\|x - x_0\| \leq \|x - y\|$: argue by saying that otherwise $y$ would be closer to $x$ than $x_0$ hence they'd fit in the same Lipschitz nbhd, in which case no issue.
Same for $\|x_0 - y\| \leq \|x - y\|$.
Cool, my argument seems like the one Willie Wong is proposing.
@0celo7 Sorry, I might have sounded a bit rude there; didn't mean to. I don't want to think about it right now, especially after a week of rather draining, not-so-interesting high-school physics.
I went through it quickly: all I can say is that it seems believable. I am sure you can figure it out.
It's not an argument I'd come up with for sure (the one I'd come up with is sketched in what I wrote).
OK, I gotta go.
 
 
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11:40 PM
@Alessandro The filming is indeed great, some shots are just magnificent. But I did not like all of the acting and although the plot is profound, biblical and deep it also has a lot of holes and uses deus ex machinae.
 
Hi guys! Let us say we have a differentiable function $f:U\subset \mathbb{R}^m\longrightarrow \mathbb{R}^n$ where $U$ is an OPEN set. Then, is $df:U\longrightarrow \mathscr{L}(\mathbb{R}^m;\mathbb{R}^n)$ NECESSARILY continuous? At a first sight I would say it is not, but I couldn't find any example...
 

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