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1:11 AM
hi
the definition of an integral only works for functions whose codomain is some subset of $\mathbb{R}$?
 
 
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3:36 AM
I just ran 2 miles and everything looks red now
my white walls look red
 
That's incredibly bizarre.
 
guess I am out of shape
probably just the blood vessels in my eyes
 
3:54 AM
Well, just keep at it! :-)
 
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4:23 AM
@robjohn Hey there!
 
@WillHunting what's up Mr Blue Square?
 
 
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5:47 AM
Hey there people!
I am making a 2d pokemon styled game that teaches highschool math.
Any suggestions?
 
that's a hell of a question
 
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@robjohn My XXX.
 
@EricStucky Not sure if sarcastic. :p
Any advice is appreciated. ^^
 
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@Inarito This question is meaningless mathematically. You should just make whatever game you want. End of story.
 
@WillHunting Okay >_>
 
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5:56 AM
@Inarito Good luck!
 
@WillHunting Thank you!
 
 
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7:32 AM
Three nonzero real numbers are in AP and their squares,in the same order,are in GP.find all possible values of the common ration of the GP
can someone discuss this question with me?
what I have done till now is that I have taken three numbers a,b,c in A.P. and therefore a^2,b^2,c^2 are in G.P.,according to the question
 
helllllloooooooooooooo
 
which gives $2b=a+c$ and $b^4=a^2*c^2$,now the common ratio for the given GP is $b^2/a^2=ac/a^2=c/a=1+(d/a)$
 
how do I start on this besides letting p =5,7,11,
Let p be a prime. Prove that $2(p-3)!+ 1 \equiv 0 (mod p)$.
 
where d is common ratio of AP,now i am not getting what to do
i didnt got your question
 
@KartikWatwani try calling the terms a,(a+b)/2,b
@usukidoll do you know any theorems that relate factorials and mod p together?
 
7:41 AM
errrrrrrr
 
let me try then @anon
 
Wilson's theorem?!
 
yep. wilson's says (p-1)!=-1 mod p right? what's the relationship between (p-1)! and (p-3)! mod p?
firstly, what's the relationship between (p-1)! and (p-3)! ?
 
errr hold on
 
gogogogo
 
7:45 AM
geez brah it's been a while
like if
(p-1)! = -1 mod p
maybe
(p-3)! = -3 mod p?!
 
@anon it gives common ratio as $((b/2a)+0.5)^2$
 
err, I should have said a-b,a,a+b I think
more symmetrical
@usukidoll do you know what factorial means?
 
that's the !
 
yes... do you know what it means ?
 
lets try once again @anon
 
7:48 AM
the factorial of a non-negative integer n, denoted by n!, is the product of all positive integers less than or equal to n. For example, The value of 0! is 1
 
say I know the value of 99!. how to I get the value of 100! from it?
 
lets try once again @anon
 
well, 0! is not really a good example of the definition, but yeah
go for it @Kartik
 
yeah @anon
 
:S!
 
7:51 AM
@anon the common ratio is coming even more complicated now
 
@KartikWatwani 1, 2*1, 3*2*1, 4*3*2*1, 5*4*3*2*1, ... What is the relationship between 4! and 3! ? That is, what is the relationship between 4*(3*2*1) and 3*2*1?
 
both of them have 3 x 2 x 1
 
@KartikWatwani you wrote down $a^4=(a^2-b^2)^2$ right? where does taking the square root get us?
@usukidoll yes. so how do we go from the value of 3x2x1 to the value of 4x(3x2x1)?
 
holy sh*T that scared me
 
@usukidoll 4!=4*3!
 
7:53 AM
hmm it's like we increased the factorials

5! = 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 -> 5 x 4!
6! = 6 x 5 x 4 x 3 x 2 x 1 -> 6 x 5!
like that?
 
yes
n! = n x (n-1)!
now, let's see if we can go further. what's the relationships between (p-3)! and (p-1)! do you think?
 
now the common ratio is coming out to be $a^2/(a-b)^2$
 
2 mins ago, by anon
@KartikWatwani you wrote down $a^4=(a^2-b^2)^2$ right? where does taking the square root get us?
gogogogo
 
$a^2=a^-b^2$
or $a^2=b^2-a^2
 
yes. handle each case separately.
the first gives b=0 so it's a constant sequence, ratio 1 or undefined (if it's 0,0,0).
 
7:56 AM
p! = p x (p-1)! ?!!!?!?
 
while true, we're not talking about p! @usukidoll. what is the relationship between (p-1)! and (p-3)! ?
 
thanks @anon
 
(p-1)! = (p-1)(p-2)(p-3)(p-4)...
(p-3)! = (p-3)(p-4)...
 
OH! so I need something like
(p-1)! = p-1 x (p-1-1)!
(p-1)! = p-1 x (p-2)!
 
np @KartikWatwani
 
7:58 AM
np? @anon
 
np - no problem
 
also = nintendo power, my favorite magazine as a child
 
okay :)
i haven't heard it's name nintendo power
 
(p-2)! = p-2 x (p-3)!
so back to p-1 !
(p-1)! = (p-1)(p-2)(p-3)! and then I have to find out what the p-3 is lxlalwe
 
nope, that's good
now we'll use that
what are p-1 and p-2 mod p? (what are they the same as)
(hint: what's p mod p?)
 
8:03 AM
like 1 mod 1 ?!
 
more like 5 mod 5
 
so then we'll have something like

p-1 mod p
if p = 5
5-1 mod 5
4 mod 5
and mod 5 is {0,1,2,3,4} and since 4 <5, then it's just gonna be 4
5-2 mod 5
3 mod 5
 
you're thinking too hard
what. is. p. mod. p.
if you divide p by p, what's the remainder?
 
p/p = 1
 
I said what's the remainder, not what's the quotient.
do you know the relationship between remainders in division and modulo?
a=r mod n is true when r is the remainder of a divided by n. more generally a=b mod n is true if and only if a and b have the same remainder upon division by n. in fact, computer scientists and programmers treat modulo as a binary operation rather than a binary relation, and Mod[a,n] returns the remainder of dividing a by n.
so, back to my question for you. what is p mod p?
 
8:10 AM
p is the remainder divided by p
 
which is?
 
the p?
 
say you do 7 divided by 7. what's the remainder?
 
there isn't any
 
so its value is ... ?
 
8:11 AM
7 x 1 = 7 the remainder is 0
 
YES
the remainder is 0
 
so p mod p the remainder is 0 over there
 
yes
if p=0 mod p, then (p-1)=? mod p?
(subtract 1 from both sides of p=0 mod p)
 
p-1=0-1 mod p
p-1 = -1 mod p
so do we subtract 3 from both sides of p = 0 mod p
to get
p-3 = 0-3 mod p
p-3=-3 mod p
 
don't care about p-3 mod p, only p-1 and p-2
(p-1)!=(p-1)(p-2)(p-3)!=(-1)(-2)(p-3)!=2(p-3)! mod p
therefore 2(p-3)!+1=(p-1)!+1=(-1)+1=0 mod p, QED
 
8:16 AM
oh I see it now
(p-1)! = (p-1)(p-2)(p-3)!
since
p-1 = -1 mod p
and p-2 = -2 mod p from Wilson's Theorem we have
(p-1)! = (-1)(-2)(p-3)! = 2(p-3)! mod p

Thus
2(p-3)! +1 -> (p-1)! +1
then by Wilson's THeorem again
p-1 = -1 mod p
-1+1 0 mod p oml
 
yes
 
that's what happens when I don't use a theorem and how it operates for 3 semesters
 
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Yo @anon
 
yo :)
 
8:49 AM
rawr
 
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9:43 AM
Yo @usukidoll are you graduating soon?
 
10:45 AM
?
 
11:21 AM
Hi @iwriteonbananas, @EricStucky
 
11:34 AM
Hey @BalarkaSen
What did you learn today?
 
11:51 AM
@iwriteonbananas Not much, I am learning forms in general.
 
If $A,B\subseteq\Bbb R^n$ are connected open sets such that $A\cup B=\Bbb R^n$, then $A\cap B$ is connected.
That's equivalent to the thing I was talking about yesterday, where there's a simple proof using homology but I'm not sure if there's a nice proof without it
 
@BalarkaSen Fun
 
12:47 PM
If I know that people went to an english test and math test. And I know that 2/15 passed the math test but not the english test. 8/13 from the people that passed math test didn't pass english test. How can I find how many passed the math test (I mean in fractions as I did above)?
 
@PichiWuana I'd suggest drawing Venn diagrams
 
I did a chart
 
2/5 = #(math and not English)
8/13 * #(math) = #(math and not English)
Does that make sense? @PichiWuana
 
yes
thanks!
 
Unless I misread the problem
But if I didn't, and those equations are correct, I guess you don't even need the Venn diagram.
 
12:55 PM
exactly
 
1:06 PM
Hello everyone I have a simple question, is $\left(\frac{d}{dx}\right)^-1$ equal to an integral?
 
1:21 PM
@Aldon Differentition doesn't really have an inverse, because of the $+C$ business. Like, is $(d/dx)^{-1}1$ equal to $x$, or $x+1$, or $x-\pi$, or… Those all differentiate to $1$.
 
One can think of antiderivative as a set of functions.
 
@AkivaWeinberger But if we assume that C = 0 for each and all cases, then $(d/dx)^{-1}$ would just be an integral right?
 
You mean, like, $(d/dx)^{-1}f(x):=\int_0^xf(t)dt$? People don't write it that way, generally
Well, not always, I guess. If $f(x)=\cases{1,&x=0\\0,&$x\ne0$}$, then it doesn't work
The derivative of the integral is just $0$
 
in any case, $(d/dx)^{-1}$ will not be an integral; at best, it will serve to map functions to antiderivatives.
 
1:36 PM
but under reasonable assumptions, like $f$ being continuous, the integral is an antiderivative, so it would work
 
really, though, $(d/dx)^{-1}$ is just notation i.e. a convenient way of writing out the mapping that @akiva gave. (it is quite useful notation in some cases, but it shouldn't be taken as more than it is)
morning @mike
 
morning
just slept for ~12 hours
 
user147690
Rested in peace
 
any math you're working on this morning?
 
1:40 PM
first, i wake up
 
fair enough
 
Okay thanks for all the help! @AkivaWeinberger @Semiclassical @BalarkaSen
 
@MikeMiller me too
 
you didn't have an excuse!
 
@balarka still working on multivariable stuff?
 
1:52 PM
still working on forms, yes
 
Hello @robjohn !!!

I want to show the embedding $W^{1,p}(0,1) \subset C^0[0,1]$.
So we have to pick an element $u \in W^{1,p}(0,1) $ and show that it also belongs to $C^0[0,1]$.

Since $u \in W^{1,p}(0,1)$, we have that in $(0,1)$ it holds $|u|_p< +\infty$ and $|u'|_p<+\infty$, right? How can we show that $u \in C^0[0,1]$ ?
 
2:08 PM
@Semiclassical OK, now I'm awake. I should start writing soon (tomorrow?) but today my goal is to read (and hopefully understand?) about gluing maps in the context of Morse theory.
 
@MikeMiller Don't we want him to sleep more?
 
hmmm
got me there
 
If $f(x) = \frac{4x^3+4x^2+ax-18}{2x+3}$ hasn't asymptote, how can I find $a$ with just that information?
 
@Evinda Write $u(x+h)-u(x)$ as an integral of $u'$ and use the definition of continuity
 
2:27 PM
@PichiWuana Loot at what happens at $x=-3/2$.
 
@AkivaWeinberger Do it mean that there is a discontinuity‌​?
 
@robjohn It holds that $u(x+h)-u(x)=\int_x^{x+h} u'(t) dt$.

$f$ is continuous at the point $x_0$ if:
$\forall \epsilon>0 \exists \delta>0$ such that $\forall y \in [x, x+h]$ with $|y-x_0|< \delta$ we have $|u(y)-u(x_0)|< \epsilon$.

Do we pick $x_0=x, y=x+h$ ?
 
@PichiWuana If the numerator is nonzero at $x = -3/2$, what happens?
$-3/2$ is of course a discontinuity, but how does the graph look like?
i.e., what is the "nature" of that discontinuity?
 
@BalarkaSen Then there is an asymptote if it's nonzero
 
Yep.
So to ensure there is no asymptote at $x = -3/2$, what do you need to say?
 
2:37 PM
@BalarkaSen I guess that there is a $2x+3$ when I factorize the numerator.
 
Yeppers!
Can you find the possible candidates for $a$ from that?
 
The first thing that comes to my mind is that I need to find what is missing in $4x^3 + 4x^2 + ax - 18 = (2x+3)(...)$
 
@Pichi It's easier than that actually. If $4x^3 + 4x^2 + ax - 18$ is divisible by $2x + 3$, what can you say about it's roots?
 
Nothing comes to my mind, I don't think I know... I can't neither do division like this.
 
Well, suppose $4x^3 + 4x^2 + ax - 18 = (2x + 3)( \cdots )$ like you said. What if I plug in $x = -3/2$ to both sides?
What do you get?
 
2:46 PM
I get $22.5 = -\frac{3}{2}a$
and $a = 15$
 
Yes, so just a quick summary of the trick just because it's good not to step-jump: since that polynomial is divisible by $x = -3/2$, I can say $4(-3/2)^3 + 4(-3/2)^2 + a(-3/2) - 18 = 0$ (i.e. $-3/2$ is a root). Now I can solve for $a$.
@PichiWuana Careful there! You mean $ a= -15$.
 
@BalarkaSen Right! I understand.
@BalarkaSen Thank you so much!!
 
You're not completely done yet. 90% done, but there's still 10% left.
 
@BalarkaSen What is then left?
 
You proved that for $f(x)$ to have no asymptote at $x = -3/2$, $a = -15$ must hold. But what's the guarantee that $f(x) = (4x^3 + 4x^2 - 15x - 18)/(2x + 3)$ has no other asymptotes?
It can have an asymptote somewhere other than a vertical asymptote at $x = -3/2$. You need to make sure there are none.
This is not a big issue, anyway. Note that graph of $f(x)$ is the same as graph of the polynomial you get by dividing $4x^3 + 4x^2 - 15x - 18$ by $2x + 3$ (except at $x = -3/2$ where there is a jump discontinuity). And polynomials have no asymptotes...
 
2:55 PM
@BalarkaSen Do you mean other types of asymptotes like horizontal? Maybe I didn't mention but it asks "It is known that (...) hasn't vertical asymptotes. Find $a$."
 
OK, I see, but you still need to guarantee there are no other vertical asymptotes :) But that's more or less obvious.
 
@BalarkaSen Then I do $2x + 3 \neq 0$.
And that's why it can't have anymore vertical asymptotes.
 
Sure. Polynomials in general can't have vertical asymptotes.
Sorry if I sound pedantic, these are just the finishing details, is all :)
Anyway, you're done.
 
Better being like that :) thank you so much!
 
3:12 PM
Why are there things of Detexify that the MathJax of Math Stack Exchange doesn't recognize?
 
Not every TeX package is included in MathJaX.
 
Why not to include them?
 
There are thousands upon thousands of TeX packages and no source that contains absolutely all of them. There are some very standard things that everyone needs, and then there are much less common things that most people (all people?) will never, ever use.
$\uppi \textrtails$
Just two random things I got from Detexify that didn't look like they were from the standard packages. The first is a different way of drawing pi (it flares out the bottom of the letter a bit). The second was an S with a small symbol coming out of the bottom left of the S.
I think it's unlikely anyone here has tried to use those before me.
 
I understand. You're right.
 
3:42 PM
@MikeMiller mmkay
 
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@MikeMiller There are around 2000 packages in TeX Live, the last I checked.
 
I can say what I mean better, @Semiclassical, if you care
 
oh, i figured
 
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Can you say better, or you mean better?
 
how interesting of a topic is it?
 
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3:59 PM
There is now tikz-cd for commutative diagrams, a package built on pgf.
 
@Semiclassical it's more technical than inherently interesting, but it's the technical heart of what i'm trying to do now.
 
ah. so useful but laborious.
 
something like that
though one of those things that's more 'essential' than 'useful'
 
right.
 
4:41 PM
Good evening
Are there ppl good in square roots?
How to get sqrt(86) from that?
 
square the difference of square roots and simplify
also, note that $23^2-129=20^2$. so things should work out nice than they might otherwise.
 
you mean sqrt(529-129)?
 
right.
 
this way I get 20+20?
 
yes, if by that you mean the pair of terms that show up upon multiplying things out
 
4:50 PM
It's equal to $\sqrt{23-\sqrt{129} +2\sqrt{23^2 -129} + 23 + \sqrt{129}}$
 
sqrt(658)+20
@JuanSebastianLozano
wow
where the middle comes from?
(a+b)^2?
 
let $a^2 = 23+\sqrt{129}$ and $b^2 = 23- \sqrt{129}$. Your equation is $(a + b)$, which is the same as $\sqrt{(a + b)^2} = \sqrt{a^2 +2ab + b^2}$, which is my equation.
Then, naturally $a^2 + b^2 = 46$
 
yeah, got it
thank you much!
 
No problem, its just @Semiclassical 's solution written out :P
 
it's essential a difference in presentation rather than content. i prefer to do it as $x=a+b\to x^2=a^2+2ab+b^2$, simplify, then take the square root. but it's just as correct to write $x=\sqrt{x^2}$ directly.
 
5:02 PM
There is another interesting task
I have to make it equal to 2/(sqrt(7) - sqrt(5))
?!
 
Just make the fractions common denominators and follow your nose.
 
tried but got too many sqrt()s
 
gotta get groceries today but man I do not want to
 
do you know how to rationalize fractions of the form $1/(\sqrt{a}-\sqrt{b})$? @ivan
if you do that for all three terms (including the thing you want to equate that expression to) then it should become obvious
 
@MikeMiller: practice living on biscuits. always helps.
 
5:17 PM
no
 
could be worse. could be ramen noodles?
 
eh... I'm leaving town again Thurs
maybe I shouldn't stock up too heavily
conclusion: I won't do anything! hooray!
 
where are you heading for on thurs?
 
toronto
will be glad to stop traveling soon
 
5:28 PM
for a conference or something?
 
yeah
"Rubermania!"
 
I imagine the dilemma of deciding to get groceries is the of existential crisis inducing thing which Sarte says one "cannot but feel a certain anguish" about making a decision about. Therefore the only reasonable thing is to not get any ;P
 
having to leave home within a week of coming back is tiresome :( but enjoy!
 
three, four days after coming back, yeah
gotta work this week to be ready
which means i should probably start getting to work today...
 
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Hello Professor @BalarkaSen.
 
5:35 PM
I am no professor.
I am barely a student.
 
user174558
I am only a banana.
 
5:56 PM
@BalarkaSen What have you learned?
 

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