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8:02 PM
@Owatch yay you can now add new planets orbiting around the others by hand :D
 
@Nick: So you won't allow the fact that linear maps stretch volume by a factor of $|\det|$?
The volume of a sphere goes back to Archimedes ...
 
@Ted Shifrin Nope, sorry.
 
So how would you do the area of an ellipse?
@Tobias: There's spam/trolls everywhere :P
heya, bananas
 
@TedShifrin Duh, I'm not everywhere :-D
 
no, but you do make your obnoxious presence felt lots of places ...
 
8:14 PM
So you're saying that the general ellipsoid would be similar to Archimedes' volume of a sphere? I'd define an ellipse with focal points and such.
 
@TedShifrin Doesnt my definition of F contain the constraint equation?
I thought $\frac{\partial}{\partial c}$ was one of the dimensions of the gradient operator linear map
 
8:35 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist I came up with this:
Since
$$
\log(\sin(t/2))=-\log(2)-\sum_{k=1}^\infty\frac{\cos(kt)}k
$$
and for $\lambda\ge0$,
$$
\int_{-\infty}^\infty\frac{\cos(\lambda t)}{1+t^2}\,\mathrm{d}t=\pi e^{-\lambda}
$$
we get
$$
\begin{align}
\int_0^\infty\frac{\log(\sin^2(t/2))}{a^2+t^2}\,\mathrm{d}t
&=-\int_{-\infty}^\infty\left(\log(2)+\sum_{k=1}^\infty\frac{\cos(kt)}k\right)\frac{\mathrm{d}t}{a^2+t^2}\\
&=-\frac{\pi\log(2)}a-\sum_{k=1}^\infty\frac{\pi e^{-ak}}{ak}\\
&=-\frac{\pi\log(2)}a+\frac\pi{a}\log(1-e^{-a})\\[6pt]
&=\frac\pi{a}\log\left(\frac{1-e^{-a}}2\right)
 
@Mike @Ted I am not sure I follow your guys' banter. The chain $(z)\subset (x,z)\subset (x,y,z)$ doesn't have $(xz,yz)$ in it does it Mike? And Ted, $(x,xz)$ was not in Mike's chain anyway...
 
@anon: they all contain $(xz,yz)$ because $xz$ and $yz$ are multiples of $z$
 
@robjohn Great! Using the series seems the best way to go. :-)
 
@MikeMiller oh duh
 
@robjohn Sometimes when I cast a vote it doesn't show up on my activity page until hours later (sometimes longer). I had this issue in the past, but it seemingly went away for a while.
 
8:45 PM
@RandomVariable Have you tried deep refreshing your activity page? usually shift+command/control+R
sometimes cache management schemes don't mesh and things stay out of date for a long time
deep refreshing clears the caches for the page being refreshed
 
deep refresh sounds like a healing move in a video game
 
@anon RDF from D&D?
 
@robjohn I just tried it, and my votes are still not there. If it's just an issue on my end, then it's no big deal.
 
@RandomVariable let me look at your activity page...
@RandomVariable I see 788 upvotes
 
@robjohn It should be 790. Does it say I voted today?
 
8:55 PM
@RandomVariable either I can't see that, or it doesn't say. I just see total and upvote/downvote
@RandomVariable I can see it on others, so I don't know why I can't see it on yours
@RandomVariable I see no votes today on meta for you either
 
@robjohn It's not there when you haven't voted on a particular day. But I voted twice today, and one vote was about 3 hours ago.
 
@Stan: You wrote $\mathbf F = \nabla f \dots $ "subject to $g(\mathbf x)=c$." How does your $\mathbf F$ map $\Bbb R^{n+2}$ to $\Bbb R^{n+1}$?
 
@RandomVariable Hmm...
 
@robjohn If I view my votes (which only I can), the votes are there.
 
hi @robjohn
 
9:00 PM
@TedShifrin Hey, Ted!
@RandomVariable look at this page and see if that helps
 
@robjohn What should I do after viewing that page?
 
@RandomVariable I thought that might fix it, but it doesn't seem to have
@RandomVariable It must be a server side cache problem. I thought that page forced a recalculation of the reputation and such
 
@robjohn My guess is that the votes will magically appear at 12:00 AM UTC.
 
9:15 PM
@RandomVariable Have you tried this page?
what does it show?
 
@robjohn Yeah, on that page it shows those 2 votes. That's what I was referring to earlier. You can't see that page, can you?
 
@RandomVariable nope, only you
 
I think you're hitting on something but the road doesn't lead where you are suggesting it's leading. Maybe if I share a couple of links with you it'll be worthwhile?

http://isomorphism.es/post/74029429813/the-reactions-against-grassmann-make-a-humorous
https://unapologetic.wordpress.com/2010/02/01/bases-for-root-systems/
http://modular.math.washington.edu/edu/Spring2003/21n/papers/stillwell.pdf

Elliptic curves are the first example that comes to mind where interesting = simple, "useful" functions don't decompose nicely with those operations you listed.
@Masacroso If you look at math.OA and math.CA they sweep the particular functional form under the rug a bit more, but you can see examples of functions that might make you want to step away from the way you're approaching it.
 
@robjohn For this one I have a brilliant proof $$\int_{-\infty}^\infty\frac{\cos(\lambda t)}{1+t^2}\,\mathrm{d}t=\pi e^{-\lambda}$$ I doubt I saw my solution anywhere so far.
 
@RandomVariable I asked and people say that that can take a while. How long has it been?
@Chris'ssistheartist what is your proof?
 
9:28 PM
@SohamChowdhury Benson Farb is amazing. He also gave a talk "Everything I know about polynomials I learned in kindergarten and EGA", about the top two papers in math.uchicago.edu/~farb/papers.html
 
@robjohn I'll show you when I put it on paper and place it in db.
 
@robjohn I cast the first vote 4 hours ago.
 
@RandomVariable that is quite strange
 
@robjohn This has happened before, and the votes do eventually appear.
 
No need to boring stuff, just elementary dance. :-)
 
9:37 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist You mean you've written $\frac1{1+t^2}$ as an exponential integral. I have seen that before.
 
@robjohn Did you see exactly this proof? If you see it anywhere pls let me know.
 
@Chris'ssistheartist I don't know if it was exactly that, but the same idea
 
@robjohn I often see people using this variant $$\int_0^{\infty } e^{-x} \cos (a x) \, dx=\frac{1}{a^2+1}$$
Apart from this discussion, there is an open page in my browser (hard-to-find) with sad music I cannot find it.
Found it and closed it!
 
@Chris'ssistheartist I use that variant in this answer
 
@robjohn I already saw that answer. Indeed, it's a powerful tool!
 
9:41 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist closed what?
Ah the sad music
 
@robjohn I had a page on my browser with sad music that I finally found and closed. :-)
It opened suddenly.
@robjohn related to what I showed you previously, the last integral is finalized by Cauchy-Schlömilch transformation without pen and paper.
Sleep privation seems to give me signs. I'm out, I need some sleep.
 
hello and goodbye, then
 
@Semiclassical hello. How are you doing? :-)
 
hi @Semiclassic
 
oh, alright. not much to say.
 
9:49 PM
@Semiclassical OK
 
not going to lie, that's kind of terrifying to look at :)
 
lolll, OK :-)
It's fun and makes life far more beautiful!
 
though, actually, it looks like the inside is essentially just $\frac{1}{x}\left(f_{n+1}(x)-f_n(x)\right)$
 
@Semiclassical Yeap.
 
which suggests it's just something telescopic
 
i'll take that as a yes :)
 
r9m
10:33 PM
@Chris'ssistheartist @RandomVariable I added my answer too :-) please check if I did it correctly.
@RandomVariable looking at your answer I realized there was no need of using triple integrals ... we can deal with component integral cases separately!! :D
@RV I see you've edited $\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\cos ax}{x^2+b^2}\,dx = \frac{\pi e^{-ab}}{2b}$ in your answer too :-)
 
Hello all!
I need an answer to this question:
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Q: Numerical integration with matrices

TanMathI have a matrix integration problem. It is based on the first integral under the section, "energy transfer efficiency and transport time" in the article, environment-assisted transport. There is a function, $\rho(t)$ that is the most important in calculating the integral but is a time-dependent m...

could anybody help?
 
r9m
@TanMath sorry man .. stuff looks too advanced for me .. maybe someone else can!
 
@r9m what's your level of math, maybe I can explain my question better.
 
r9m
@TanMath lemme read the paper .. maybe I'll gain some context that way ..
@TedShifrin good morning Professor :-)
 
@r9m is he your professor? could he help?
 
r9m
10:48 PM
@TanMath well he's a professor! but I don't study under him :P .. (when you say 'your professor')
 
@TedShifrin can you please take a look at my question?
@r9m sorry for disturbing you, but did u read the arctile?
 
r9m
@TanMath super slow internet connection here .. sorry it loaded just now
 
@r9m don't worry, just please tell me when you fnsihed reading it...
 
r9m
@TanMath sorry .. as I suspected .. it's too advanced for me .. I'm math ug .. I have no clue about physics .. sorry
 
@r9m pretty much, all I need is a method to find the improper integral of a function I don't even know..
@r9m I have samples of this function, but I don't have an expression for it...
@r9m is that helpful?
 
r9m
11:03 PM
@TanMath totally above my head .. sorry :|
 
@r9m oh..
@r9m thanks but...
 
@TanMath: I know almost no numerical analysis. When @Semiclassical shows up, you might ask him.
 
@TedShifrin thanks...
 
MGA
11:26 PM
If I study a standard book on real analysis, will it cover concepts like cardinality, difference between countable and uncountable sets, etc.? Or should I do a course in set theory as a prerequisite?
 
Look at the book involved. It probably covers stuff like that. In any case, you definitely don't need to start with a course in set theory. Just need to learn about a few topics.
 
I don't think I have seen a standard real analysis book cover much more than "the reals are not countable", but most do cover that bit. If the set theory stuff is what you want to learn, you should probably go to a set theory book, if you want to learn analysis but are worried that you don't have enough knowledge about cardinals etc then I would not be worried, any book should cover what is needed to be known (which is not much)
@MGA
 

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