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3:00 PM
A function must touch the y-axis once right?
 
3:11 PM
@Semiclassical did you see my question above? I'm sure you might like it.
 
Find $f_n(x)$ such that $$\int_0^1 \frac{1}{\log(x)}+\frac{1}{\log^2(x)}+\cdots+\frac{1}{\log^n(x)}+f_n(x) \ dx$$ converges.
 
ah
i suppose setting it up so that $f_n(x)$ cancels the rest of the terms would be cheating :)
 
$f_n(x)$ cannot contain the terms already present in the integrand multiplied with any real number, say.
 
right, cheating
 
3:14 PM
@Semiclassical hehe, yeap, without such cases. :-)
 
also, are those iterated logs or powers of logs?
 
@Semiclassical power of logs $1/(\log(x))^k$.
 
ah.
i thought it was the former, so i'm glad i asked
 
I go to buy some foods for my lovely pets. Back in 30 min.
 
kk
oh, here's a (probably simple) complex analysis question i've had in my head since yesterday
if i consider the function $f(x)=e^{1/x}$, which is analytic everywhere except at zero, then by inspection one finds that $f(x)\to 0$ as $x\to 0^-$ and $f(x)\to +\infty$ as $x\to 0^+$.
now, in that example, at zero there's an essential singularity. what i'm wondering is whether that's a necessary condition given those limits
i.e. can i cook up an example with the same limiting behavior but with a non-essential singularity
 
3:33 PM
@Chris'ssis Specify that $f_n(x)$ is linearly independent with $1 + 1/\log(x) + \cdots + 1/\log^n(x)$?
 
@balarkasen: hmm, question. is the phrase 'gauss-manin connection' familiar to you?
 
yes : i think you were the one who told me about it :P
 
Hi @BalarkaSen
 
BTW, Nash co-won the abel prize alongside Nirenberg.
 
3:37 PM
then i'm guessing you won't be able to help me figure out the meaning of the second quoted paragraph in this answer :(
 
@BalarkaSen john Nash won
 
I won
 
@Semiclassical most certainly not
 
drat.
 
@ᴇʏᴇs you won?
 
3:40 PM
@Semiclassical actually, that periods of elliptic curve satisfies the Gauss hypergeometric equations rings some bell.
 
yeah, picard-fuchs equations
think i mentioned that as well
 
@SayanChattopadhyay I won a school prize
 
yes, but i have seen that in some other context
 
ah. there's a link between that and galois stuff, if i'm remembering right
 
Oh...... :)
 
3:42 PM
the person doesn't quote the paper further, but the next few lines of it indicate that the analogue of the (linear) hypergeometric equation in that context is the (nonlinear) sixth Painleve equation
which would be neat, if i actually understood it :P
 
i have heard of Painleve chains as well, funnily enough
 
mostly what's confusing me is that in the hypergeometric case, one can take the periods of your elliptic curve as the 'objects' of the differential equation
it's not at all obvious to me what kind of interpretation one should take in the nonlinear case
 
i think the elliptic curve-hypergeometric equation thing comes from the fact that the inverse function of the $j$ invariant can be expressed as a rational function of hypergeometric functions.
 
i'm probably just asking the wrong question, of course
that's probably true, but i'm not familiar with $j$-invariant stuff
the way i know it is through picard-fuchs. namely, that there should be some second-order differential operator which annihilates periods of the riemann surface
 
well, wrong or right, i'm not the right person you can get the answers from :P
 
3:45 PM
with the 'should' coming from thinking about the cohomology of the curve
right
i suspect it'd help if i had some intuition about 'cohomology with nonabelian coefficients'
 
great, de Rham stuff.
 
right
 
i'm hardly familiar with the usual cohomology. only just finished studying homology, exercises and all.
 
nod. though the statement i know re: the cohomology of an elliptic curve is just
"hey, an elliptic curve is topologically a torus, so its homology is $\mathbb{Z}\times\mathbb{Z}$. since homology and cohomology are dual via de Rham's theorem, the cohomology of the torus must also be two-dimensional."
which includes a whole bunch of handwaving, i'm sure
 
ah, you're thinking of elliptic curve over $\Bbb C$. phew.
 
3:51 PM
yep. i dunno how to think about elliptic curves over anything else :P
not in any principled way, at any rate
 
for a minute i thought you were going to pull out some complicated arithmetic geometry stuff
 
lolno
but, if the cohomology is two-d, then any three one-forms on the riemann surface should be linearly dependent up to an exact form. so if i take a one-form and its two derivatives with respect to a parameter, there should be some linear combination which is equal to an exact form $df$.
then just integrate that around some closed loop to get a period of the riemann surface, and notice that any integral of an exact form over a closed cycle is zero
so, bam, the period must satisfy some second-order ODE
alas, i really don't have a clue how takes that kind of story and moves it to a nonabelian context
 
there's about a hundred better ways to calculate the cohomology of the torus, @Semiclassical, but alright
 
Back.
 
4:03 PM
@Chris'ssis i meant to ask you for the details of that prime-logs computation you mentioned earlier (the generating function one)
 
@BalarkaSen I also thought of that, but I need to see if it's clear enough.
@Semiclassical Please
 
@MikeMiller I think Ex. 2.2.33 can be used to derive Helly's theorem.
 
just to the extent of what the structure of your result was, rather than the details of the integral itself
 
@Semiclassical Let me give you some particular cases.
 
i'd like to see that, yeah
 
4:05 PM
I don't know what Helly's theorem is, @Balarka. Do you mind stating the exercises you're referring to when you talk about them, by the way? It's not a big deal for me to go to the document, but just a little annoying.
 
Oh sure.
 
@Semiclassical $$\frac{158648128 \log (2)}{945}+\frac{399125313 \log (3)}{4480}+\frac{40353607 \log (7)}{1728}+\frac{2357947691 \log (11)}{362880}-\frac{958984375 \log (5)}{36288}$$ for $n=10$.
 
No need to do so now - I've got the document open.
Just noting for the future. I appreciate it.
 
daang.
 
OK.
 
4:06 PM
So tell me about Helly's theorem.
 
that's the output of one of your integrals?
 
@Semiclassical for the case $n=10$, yes.
 
right. actually, i'm mostly curious about the first few small $n$
mostly because i'm trying to ascertain what kind of information the Q's contain
 
@Semiclassical Tell me for which values of $n$.
 
how about the first five?
 
4:08 PM
$n=1$; $\log(2)$
$n=2$; $\log \left(\frac{27}{16}\right)$
 
@MikeMiller It says that if you have $n$ convex subsets of $\Bbb R^n$ for $n > d$ such that every $d+1$ of the sets has nonempty intersection, then the intersection of all of the $n$ sets is nonempty.
 
interesting
 
$n=3$; $22 \log (2)-\frac{27 \log (3)}{2}$
 
curse this internet connection
 
4:10 PM
how do you want to prove it?
 
$n=4$; $-\frac{1}{3} 272 \log (2)+27 \log (3)+\frac{125 \log (5)}{6}$
$n=5$; $\frac{1}{24} (6496 \log (2)+486 \log (3)-3125 \log (5))$
 
thanks
 
$n=6$; $\frac{1}{120} (-87808 \log (2)-43011 \log (3)+46875 \log (5)+16807 \log (7))$
$n=7$; $\frac{1}{720} (2053376 \log (2)+964467 \log (3)-546875 \log (5)-823543 \log (7))$
 
it looks like the overall denominator is always $(n-1)!$
i need to head off for now. talk to you later
 
@MikeMiller I haven't thought a lot about it, it just struck me as something familiar when I was doing this exercise.
 
4:13 PM
Mm.
 
$n=8$; $--\frac{1}{315} 4240256 \log (2)+\frac{78125 \log (5)}{72}+\frac{823543 \log (7)}{180}-\frac{336069 \log (3)}{280}$
$n=9$; $\frac{16676432 \log (2)}{315}+\frac{5078125 \log (5)}{4032}-\frac{5764801 \log (7)}{480}-\frac{31302531 \log (3)}{2240}$
@Semiclassical OK
The prime numbers come one after another without any missing primes and keeping their natural sequence.
I checked that for the first $100$ primes.
Amazing integral, indeed.
 
You haven't posted the integral yet, though, @Chris'ssis
@PedroTamaroff Hi.
 
@BalarkaSen The results above come from that integral. Well, I need to talk to some mathematicians that study the prime numbers first, and see how important it is. I also investigate it, I'm just at the beginning with that. Then I'll post it for sure.
 
Okay. What special functions do the integrand consist of, can you reveal that?
 
@BalarkaSen It contains no special function, that is really nice.
 
4:23 PM
Oh? Floor/ceiling/etc?
 
@BalarkaSen No.
 
That's weird.
 
@BalarkaSen It looks pretty simple.
 
Hello.
 
morning
 
4:27 PM
What's up Mike?
 
not much
 
5:14 PM
@BalarkaSen I sent it to a mathematician to study it further.
 
What have you sent @Chris'ssis
 
I'm currently working towards setting up a meeting with my academic adviser for next week regarding my independent math work, I'm hoping that they will be able to set up a meeting with a math professor to check my work
 
Nice @teadawg1337
 
Great @teadawg1337
 
I'm hoping this will be my chance to snag a position as a research assistant :D
 
5:26 PM
@teadawg1337 you have finished grad
 
No, I'm an undergraduate freshman @Sayan.
Buuuut, I'm doing graduate-level work from what I can gather
 
Even I am thinking something like it
I am thinking that when I enter my undergraduate course I should be in the middle of my graduate syllabus
I will try my best to finish it according to my plan
 
I won't keep my hopes too high, becoming a research assistant is the best-case scenario. The most likely scenario is getting the attention of the department head, and skipping a few courses that I don't need to take
 
I also want recognition for my question which people have neglected saying that they can make hundreds of questions like that
 
@Chris'ssis: the thing i worry about is that, while you can write each integral as a sum of prime logs, it doesn't immediately follow that that's the 'right' way to understand it. you can rearrange the coefficients to get it into a sum of logs of all numbers up to $n+1$, not just the primes
i.e. you can write $\log(2)+\log(3)+\cdots +\log(6)$ as $4\log(2)+2\log 3+\log 5$. but that doesn't mean that the second expression is what's remarkable
 
5:33 PM
@Semiclassical what is @Chris'ssis idea what is the question
 
she hasn't given us the integral yet :)
 
@Semiclassical Yeah, I got your point, and I also agree with that, but after more terms, there is no skip of the primes. I mean one has a sum of 100 log of primes in their perfect order. This is strange to me.
 
Oh..... But what has she given us by now
 
From what I can gather, she's sending it to a mathematician to get a professional opinion first. Then maybe she'll share the integral, but it's not likely
 
@teadawg1337 Exactly.
 
5:35 PM
Oh...
 
eh, that's not terribly shocking to me. if I take some product/ratio of the first 100 numbers, then all the primes in that set will definitely show up in the factorization
 
@Semiclassical I agree, but why do they come in a perfect order?
 
what do you mean by 'perfect order'? (i think i understand what you're getting at, but i'd like to be sure)
 
It could be an extraordinary coincidence
 
@Semiclassical I mean you don't have $r_{i+1}\log(p_{i+1})+ r_{i+3} \log(p_{i+3})+r_{i+2} \log(p_{i+2})$ but always $r_{i+1}\log(p_{i+1})+ r_{i+2} \log(p_{i+2})+r_{i+3} \log(p_{i+3})$ for the first 100 primes. It cannot be a simple coincidence.
 
5:39 PM
@Chris'ssis Salut. and Hi all.
 
well, sure. but i think that outcome would, in my scenario, amount to having some of the logs exactly cancel out
i.e. that a given prime factor shows up as many times in the denominator as the numerator.
(i'm thinking in terms of the exponential of your sums, sorry)
and while that kind of cancellation isn't impossible, it may not be very likely
but, again, it really comes down to figuring out what the coefficients in each term represent
whether they describe something about the primes, or about some other set of natural numbers. the second possibility is still interesting, though
 
@Semiclassical Indeed. The phenomenon itself of producing such closed forms is really interesting.
 
and the sheer size of those coefficients (when one factors out an overall $(n-1)!$ denominator) does make me wonder
sure
 
tan 90 is 1? can't seem to get it with a calc
 
tan 45 is 1
 
5:59 PM
how can you mathematically prove that negative reciprocal line creates angle of 90 degrees between the lines?
 
@Chris'ssis: i found some kind of a pattern in the coefficients, though not one i can draw conclusions from yet
 
@Semiclassical Did you? OK.
 
yeah, though only for the $\log(5)$ terms so far
first, note that each such coefficient is (up to a minus sign) of the form $a_n/(n-1)!$
 
@Semiclassical Yeap.
 
starting at $n=4$, that gives the sequence 125,3125,46875,546875,5468750
 
6:10 PM
@Committingtoachallenge you here?
 
if i divide by 125 overall, that becomes 1,25,375,4375,43750
and plugging that into OEIS gives a result!
 
@Semiclassical let me see
 
If $X$ is a set and $A, B \subset X$, is there a (compact) name for the complement $A - B$? 'Local complement' seems accurate but I've never heard it before.
 
Yeap.
 
6:13 PM
now, i think that should work until one gets to $n=11$
 
That looks very similar to the work that I'm doing on rational functions of polynomials...
I mean the infinite expansion part
 
at that point, i think one starts getting contributions from $\log 10$ as well
(i should really call that a speculation, since i haven't tried it yet)
 
:-)
 
a further speculation is that, if one plays the same game for larger primes, then one again sees patterns
so right now my guess would be that the sum is of the form $\frac{1}{(n-1)!}\sum_{1\leq x\leq n+1} A_n(x)\log x$ where $A_n(x)$ is something 'nice'
 
@Semiclassical That might explain why no prime escapes.
 
6:25 PM
yeah. and a quick check with the case of $\log 7$ terms seems to work
 
-+
 
as a cute little pattern that should continue if what i'm trying works: for $n=p$ prime, $A_p(p)=-p^p$
 
6:46 PM
Hello @Semiclassical
 
Good afternoon folks, I have a question about a name for a concept. Suppose we have a topological space. We could endow this space with many different metrics. Is there a name for the collection of all the metrics which a space could be endowed with?
 
@Semiclassical I'm calculating now its closed form.
I just looked at it with the wrong eyes without assuming that sum can be taken over all values of a certain $x$ in a certain set of log. Well, it happens sometimes.
I give to myself 15 min to finish it.
BBL
 
 
1 hour later…
8:09 PM
Maybe I wasn't that brilliant this time ... done @Semiclassical
 
Still good, though
 
I'll add that to my book.
@Semiclassical let me know when you're around to show you the result.
:D
 
sup
Bioshock or Skyrim?
 
Find $f_m(x)$ such that $$\int_0^1 \frac{1}{\log(x)}+\frac{1}{\log^2(x)}+\cdots+\frac{1}{\log^m(x)}+f_m(x) \ dx$$ converges.
The second point would have been like that
Evaluate in closed form such an integral after fixing $f_m(x)$ that doesn't include the terms already present in the integrand multiplied with any real number.
How such a closed form would look like, right?
Well ...
Here is a solution ...
I'll also add that in my book I think.
Let's take, say, $m=1$, and we get a closed form for
$$\int_0^1 \frac{1}{\log(x)}+\frac{1}{1-x} \ dx=\gamma$$
 
8:28 PM
Is anybody here able to assist with geometry/polytopes?
 
How about $m=2$?
 
Well, there are more solutions ...
 
I found my rotation to be 281 degrees
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Q: Mathematical properties of two dimensional projection of three dimensional rotated object

RopstahPlease be gentle as I do not have any degree in maths. By using a compass/straighedge method to construct Metatron's cube, a regular dodecahedron can be inferred from intersecting points. I'm looking for the ratio between the lengths of the edges (blue) of the dodecahedron and the radius of the ...

 
This is one of those solutions $$\int_0^1 \frac{1}{\log(x)}+\frac{1}{\log^2(x)}-\frac{x}{\log^2(x)} \ dx$$ One thing is to find them, but then one might like to also come up with closed forms. The structure of the integrand also allows solutions by differentiation under the integral sign. A more inspired one is based upon special functions.
 
8:30 PM
Some interesting intersections come up btw
 
Or based on double integrals (that in my opinion it rulez - easy & fast).
No worry - I add it to my book. It will make part of the chapter with the very easy questions.
 
8:46 PM
Hi @meer2kat
 
How do we make it convergent? I wonder how many solutions we have. $$\int_0^1 \frac{1}{\log(x)}+\frac{1}{\log^2(x)}+\frac{1}{\log^3(x)}+\large{?} \ dx$$
 
@Committingtoachallenge Ok, so here is what I found out. We get the induced isomorphism by taking the derivative of the homomorphism at the identity, just like when we get the algebra from the group.
@Committingtoachallenge Like if a group homomorphism $\lambda:G\rightarrow G'$ acts as $\lambda(G)G'=GG'G^\dagger$ then the induced homomorphism $\lambda_*:\mathfrak{g}\rightarrow \mathfrak{g'}$ acts as $\lambda_*(g)g'=gg'+g'g^\dagger$.
 
All-knowing @Chris'ssis, aren't you enlightened in the art of geometry?
 
@Ropstah lol, pretty out of practice these days. :-)
 
don't you think you need it for your number theories?
 
8:58 PM
But I like it!
 
I'm only able to perform it visually (i'm only doing recreational math), and i find interesting points where polyhedra meet under scaling/rotation (of interesting numbers like 55 degrees, -0.078 degrees and 1.9485 as a scale for instance)
this is a star tetrahedron rotated 1.9496 degrees over the x axis (red) and a star tetrahedron scaled at $/frac{1}{/sqrt2}/cdot2$
(1/sqrt(2))*2
 
9:37 PM
@Kevin: No, other than saying the set of all comparable metrics. There are uncountably many. :P
 
morning, @Ted
 
good night, @Mike
 
i love timezones
 
no, @Ropstah, this isn't about time zones.
Mike says "good morning" 24 hours a day, and so I return a "good night" 24 hours a day.
 
hmm, still love 'em :)
haha i let you both have your thing sorry
 
9:42 PM
no need to be sorry :P
we barely speak to each other :D
@Mike: Haven't seen AlexW around lately.
 
those greetings are already more than most people do nowadays
 
I bet he's busy studying for quals, @Ted.
 
LOL ... more likely working.
 
Why not both?
 
Because most people aren't as diligent/obsessed as you were.
Certainly our grad students aren't.
 
9:52 PM
Have some faith in our friend, @Ted. :D
One of my buddies passed his second qual a couple days ago, so he's done now.
 
Actually, I think he's going to be really good.
 
@Ted Thanks. Do you know if there is any interest or theory about such collections of metrics? Like, is it a thing people study?
 
Not so far as I know, @Kevin.
 
I should talk later though, @Ted. I'm distracting myself and I want to be done with work in a few hours.
Hopefully I'll see you in a few hours.
 
Thanks @Ted
 
9:53 PM
I think if you come up with two particular metrics, it's interesting to ask if they are comparable ... But really once one has one metric, one's happy.
Bubye, @Mike.
 
@Ted Ah I see. I am asking because in political science it is common to represent individuals as some point or distribution in a high dimensional Euclidian space, where each dimension represents some policy position, say spending on the Iraq war, etc.
 
sure ... any statistical set-up will do that
 
@Ted and then the model is that candidates are also a point or distribution in that space and voters will vote for the candidate "closest" to where they are
 
well, that's not a topology question — that's a geometry question.
 
but the problem is that voters value issues with differentweight and many policy positions are not independent, they have some complementarity
so what that means is that "distance" for each voter menas something idfferent
 
9:56 PM
The closest candidate will vary with metrics that give you the same topology.
Sure ...
 
ie each one sees the 'policy space' as being endowed with a different metric
 
But the topologies are all the same, I bet.
 
I agree. So, usually political scientists makes some VERY strong assumptions about the metric, basically that everyone's is the same and that preferences are equally important and totally seperable
basically they use the ordinary Euclidian metric
 
there might be different weights ...
 
but I was trying to think if maybe htere was some one can say without specifying a particular metric for each voter
 
9:58 PM
no, this really is a geometry question, not a topology question.
 
So, for example, suppose we have a set of voters $v_i$ and a set of candidates $c_i$, I guess its possible to make any of the $c_i$ closest to any particular voter, $v_j$
 
of course
 
depending on what metric we give him
 
not him, but the space
 
ah ok, that makes it more clear then that there's nothing more general to say
well yes, I say 'him' because in principle each voters lives in a different space
that reflects their subjectiv epreferences
 
10:00 PM
no, these are all points in one fixed space
 
They really aren't though
If I care ONLY about defense spending
and you care ONLY about say entitlement spending
 
then you have 0 coordinates on the other issues
 
then we'll have different notions of distance
 
right ... you're using different metrics, but the space is the same
oh, and those metrics will not be comparable
 
ah, ya the topological space is the same
 
10:02 PM
no, the topology will now be different
 
well now I've confused myself
 
if you ignore coordinates $x_2,\dots,x_{100}$, you notion of "near" is very different from mine, if I pay attention to them all.
 
indeed, our notion of distance is different
 
Yeah, those distances will induce very different topologies.
If I look at $d(x,y) = |x_1-y_1|$ on $\Bbb R^2$, I get the usual $\Bbb R$ crossed with an $\Bbb R$ with the stupid indiscrete topology.
 
Hmmm, I thought it went the other direction. We start with the same topology and then put different notions of 'nearness' onto it, but I guess I have it backward
 
10:04 PM
We start with the same space.
Right, any time you don't care about candidate $j$, there's a vacuous notion of nearness for that coordinate. So it's the indiscrete topology in that coordinate.
Now that I've confused @Kevin, I'm going to go cook dinner.
 
So is it in principle possible to have the same topology, but 2 different metrics. My understanding was that when you specify the open sets, you're giving some notion of which points are 'near' others. But then the metric comes along and says precisely how far everyone is form everyone else
 
"Near" acquires more meaning when there's a metric.
 
Ok, let me give a very specific example
 
But to say two metrics give you the same topology is to say that "near" agrees for very small distances.
 
is $\mathbb{R}^2$ with the ordinary Euclidian metric and $\mathbb{R}^2$ with the taxicab metric the same underlying topological space?
 
10:08 PM
If I remember the taxicab metric correctly, yes.
 
okay, things are becoming clearer
 
$d(x,y) = |x_1-y_1|+|x_2-y_2|$?
 
they're both normed vector spaces with those metrics, and all finite dimensional normed spaces of the same dimension are equivalent
 
Ya that's it
 
yes, @Mike just gave you the ultimate ruling. Supreme court.
But these other metrics we were discussing from the political science thing don't come from norms at all.
 
10:09 PM
Ah I see. So in particular, your metric better not say that two elements of the same open set are very far from each other
that would somehow conflict with the topology
 
As I said above, it's only a limiting question as the distance goes to 0.
 
Hello!! Is someone familiar with the Knapsack problem??
 
Alright, thanks
 
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Q: Lie brackets are second derivatives! how rude of them to invade my tangent space!

Saal HardaliLet $p \in M$ be a a point in a manifold and let $\varphi^X_t$ and $\varphi^Y_t$ be the local flows of the vector fields $X$ and $Y$ respectfully. Define the commutator of flows: $\alpha(t)= \varphi^Y_{-t} \varphi^X_{-t}\varphi^Y_t\varphi^X_t$. I'm trying to prove: $$\left .\frac{d}{dt} \right|_...

 
OK, now I'm going to cook dinner.
No, @Saal, Lie bracket is a first derivative.
Second derivatives cancel.
The Lie bracket of two vector fields is again a vector field.
 
10:11 PM
yeah that's what i realized algebraicly
 
you might edit your question's title to reflect what your question actually is
 
but i still don't get the specifics...
 
LOL ... I'll check back on you later, @Saal.
 
all one can tell from it as is is 'relates somehow to the lie bracket of something'
 
Would "derivative of commutators of flows" do?
the point is that i have trouble with a derivation where the function itself is a derivation
 
10:13 PM
something like that, probably
 
like $X_p \cdot Yf$
or like in the question something of the form: $\frac{d}{dt} X_\varphi_t f(t)$
$\frac{d}{dt} X_{\varphi_t} f(t)$
it's like a time dependent vector feld i'm totally lost
i'll edit the title
 
Believe nothing Mike says.
 
Question, if you simplify an expression why is it not considered simplification if you divide by a common number ? such as:
-68r + 32
becomes
-34r + 16
 
10:54 PM
Friday evening and no one feeling like recreational math... to bad :P
Hi @induktio
 
After getting a weird question about internals of Enigma, I responded "How the $f(x)$ should I know?" Is that considered rude?
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Hah
Maybe, although it is pretty funny
 
11:12 PM
@Ropstah Hi :) I always feel like recreational math. Except I'm about to have some pizza :D
@ThomasAndrews Probably better than "How the $f_{uc}(k)$ should I know?" Probably best just not to comment I would imagine. "Rude" is obviously a very subjective term.
 
Nah, that's too obvious. I would never use the full world, but my initial inclination was the say "How the eff would I know," then realized where I was. @induktio
 
how the fubini would i know? how the frattini would i know? how the fourier would i know? the possibilities are endless....
 
Given it was related to Enigma, I might have written $\phi_{u}(c_k)$, since $\phi_e$ is often the notation for the function defined by the $e$th Turing machine.
 
Are there other SE sites which might be more suitable for geometry related discussions?
 
Or $\phi_{\upsilon}(k)$.
 
11:18 PM
If you're not getting a good answer here, @Ropstah, I doubt you'll get a better answer elsewhere. Sorry about that.
 
In general this site isn't great for disucsion
 
I see, I thought perhaps the chat was
 
Chat is fine for discussion, but very few user use chat, so you would have to find someone who is interested in what you are interested in at the moment and somehow get the to chat
 
I'm trying hard to be as visual and explain as much detail as I can, but it's not as popular as programming...
Good idea
I had a nice discussion with BalarkaSan about 6 months ago about prime numbers etc. maybe I was lucky then :)
I'm not in a mathematical environment here at all, so very difficult to discuss
 
@Ropstah If it is computational, like computer graphics geometry, gaming and others might have some knowledge. Otherwise, this is the best place, I think.
 
11:28 PM
I can do the computational part, i'm looking for the theories behind it. E.g. jsfiddle.net/jzpptmbm
@ThomasAndrews, I can do the math, i just don't know the encyclopedia of math so to say...
 
pretty pictures
 
A lot of theorems and proofs are so difficult to find if you didn't grow up with them
@MikeMiller And nice math
I think it connects more with number theory than I can read about
So that's why I started working this way, i want to visualize dependencies so that they can be understood more easily
@MikeMiller: Did you try to rotate 'the pretty picture' (drag with mouse)?
 
aye
 
i did a lot more of those, I believe what I'm doing are tesselations?
 
couldn't tell ya
 
11:35 PM
Stellations sorry :)
 
Very nice
 
I'm not really sure where I'm going with this, but i'm combining all sorts of polyhedra with stellations, the points where you find a sort of 'equilibrium' and other intersection points are all definitions for mathematical proofs
My final goal is to perform a two dimensional penrose tiling over the faces of a dodecahedron (five fold regular polygon), i think this relates to the prime number sequence
I can 'plot' (render) it, but it involves a lot of calculations and steps and I don't want to make mistakes
 

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