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7:00 PM
@DanielFischer Hahaha, he's great, isn't he.
If it's real, that is.
 
Yup. Although admittedly he had a very easy target.
 
I just had a fleeting thought of whether it is possible to equip primes with additional operations to give groups or something. It's pretty far-fetched, but I think an interesting question to ask.
 
Aren't all people who don't have a mind of their own easy targets?
I mean, if you think at least some of time you can't possibly believe in God, your horoscope, ghosts, homeopathy, anti-wrinkle creams and whatever I can't think of right now.
 
I lost $88$ points because a user was removed. >8(
 
@robjohn Certainly not me this time, lol
 
7:04 PM
That said, sometimes I do think my life would be more exciting if I had an imaginary friend following me around wherever I went and if I had to check under my bed for monsters before I went to sleep.
 
@JasperLoy yeah, that was my first thought :-p
 
@robjohn That's why I stay out of lhfs and answer high-hangings asked by the big guys with less chance to get removed.
 
@DanielFischer After you quoted from the Tora (?) I thought you were religious.
 
@BalarkaSen It's not the questions, it's the upvotes on my answers that are gone.
 
@robjohn Ah, I thought the upvotes are gone because of removed questioners.
(and thus removed questions)
 
7:07 PM
@BalarkaSen that can happen, but I don't think it is the case usually.
 
@robjohn I got ten votes for an answer that got migrated to math educators
 
@robjohn So questions aren't removed after questioners are removed?
 
@MattN. As areligious as one gets. But that doesn't mean I've never read the Torah, it's after all an important cultural cornerstone. And occasionally good poetry.
 
@DanielFischer Right. One of my favourite people said something similar about the bible. He called it a collection of nice fairytales : )
 
@DanielFischer @MattN. that part though gyazo.com/809747168b39580066e996f1f4af13ea
 
7:11 PM
@Hippalectryon Yes, hilarious. But my favourite part is where he points out that the other guy is not allowed to call himself school chaplain and then the other guy suddenly completely changes tone.
 
Yeah true
 
@MattN. Not all nice. And not all fairytales.
 
@DanielFischer I wouldn't know. I have a very long list of stuff that I will do first before I spend my time on reading the bible.
 
@MattN. Such as read all math books
 
@JasperLoy Exactly.
 
7:14 PM
@JasperLoy You have to at least know the name of all math books before studying them.
 
@BalarkaSen not unless they have no answers and a non-positive score.
 
@MattN. Well, surely Jane Austen wrote better. But before you read Tollkien or so, the bible, even in mediocre translations, is far better literature. And if you read it, you can shake your head in disbelief about what the believers don't know ever after.
 
I have given up on all religion. After exploring a few, I have this to say: either Buddhism is the truth, or no religion is. QED
 
There were 10 votes removed, but 12 points were saved by having extra points over the cap which filled in.
 
@DanielFischer Good point but I have already read the LOTR unfortunately. But now I can at least have countless arguments about how boring the book is and how even more terrible the films are. Worst films ever. Nearly walked out half way through.
 
7:17 PM
Mint 17 will be out in a few hours!
 
@JasperLoy Was about the religion called Maths :3
 
I just watched Caligula which was all fornication
 
@JasperLoy what is Mint 17?
 
I'm not an Apple fanboy, but I'm excited to see what they do about iOS 8.
 
@robjohn It is a linux distribution
 
7:18 PM
@MattN. Never seen the film but the book is good.
 
@JasperLoy ah.
 
@JasperLoy It appears to have 5.2 on imdb. That's pretty low.
 
@JasperLoy You use Mint?
 
@MattN. I tried reading it some time around 1980. Couldn't make it past the first 30 pages or so. Impossible.
 
@MattN. It's all sex blood sex blood
 
@ParthKohli Yes
 
@MattN. Bah! >8(
 
@BalarkaSen After I evaluated the integral you showed me I came up with this version ... $$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\cos(x)}{x} \left(\int_0^x \frac{\sin(t)}{t} \ dt\right)^3\ dx=-\frac{7}{8}\pi \zeta(3)$$
 
@JasperLoy That can be great, or terrible. Depends on the author.
 
@DanielFischer Oh it's a movie, lol
 
7:20 PM
@Chris'ssis Nice.
 
@DanielFischer I forced myself. I chose it for my English Abitur and the goal was to punish my teacher for being a teacher. You could choose 5 books or so and they ask you questions about them. So ideally the teacher has to have read them all.
 
@MattN. I watched half of every LOTR movie. Slept through the second half every time.
 
@robjohn : D
 
@BalarkaSen Indeed.
 
@MikeMiller Haha
 
7:21 PM
@JasperLoy I like sex and I like blood but I don't think I like both at the same time.
 
@MattN. The clever decision would have been to flunk the exam and repeat the last year.
 
@MattN. Blood as a food?
 
@Chris'ssis Vampire, lol
 
@DanielFischer Why? I didn't want to punish myself, I wanted to punish the teacher.
 
What do you guys think of Twilight the movie series?
 
7:22 PM
@JasperLoy :D
 
No idea. Not seen and not planning to watch.
 
@JasperLoy eww
 
@JasperLoy Yuck
 
@JasperLoy nothing great
 
I am not gay but I am so in love with Taylor Lautner lol
 
7:23 PM
He was in hp4, wasn't he?
 
I don't think so.
 
@JasperLoy What do you think of tb? I believe you saw his picture.
 
What is hp4?
 
I think he's your type.
@DanielFischer Hewlett-Packard 4?
 
@BalarkaSen I've seen nothing yet ... (I created a lot of stuff ... wait and see)
 
7:26 PM
@MattN. So so.
 
Harry Potter 4
 
@MattN. Well, I don't think the early models were man-powered. So how could he have been in that?
 
robert pattinson was cedric diggory. lautner wasn't in the harry potter movies.
 
ok, i don't know that dracula guy's name.
 
@DanielFischer Good question.
 
7:27 PM
@seaturtles how do you think hp movies were?
 
@seaturtles Wow anon knows so much lol
 
@JasperLoy Maybe with some make up. Surely this Lautner guy is wearing a ton of it on every picture out there.
 
@BalarkaSen well, I was a kid when they came out, so I loved them. up until halfwayish I think the kids were bad actors, but they're still fun.
 
@JasperLoy Sea bloody turtles is anon?
 
Wait, I didn't know sea turtles was anon, @Jasper.
 
7:28 PM
@MattN. Well, for Lautner it is not his face but his muscles that I like
 
That's odd... my reputation page says -88, but I've had 90 points taken from my rep.
 
@MattN. Yes
 
That's some evolution.
@robjohn It means someone was kind enough to downvote you in order to make the minus a multiple of 10.
 
@MattN. no, there are no downvotes.
 
Then this site is a buggy p.o.s.
 
7:32 PM
@BalarkaSen $$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\sin(x)}{x} \left(\int_x^{\infty} \frac{\cos(t)}{t} \ dt\right)^2\ dx=\frac{\pi^3}{24}$$
@BalarkaSen $$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\sin(x)}{x} \left(\int_x^{\infty} \frac{\cos(t)}{t} \ dt\right)^3\ dx=\frac{7}{8}\pi \zeta(3)$$
@BalarkaSen and now ...
$$\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\cos(x)}{x} \left(\int_0^x \frac{\sin(t)}{t} \ dt\right)^3\ dx+\int_0^{\infty} \frac{\sin(x)}{x} \left(\int_x^{\infty} \frac{\cos(t)}{t} \ dt\right)^3\ dx=0$$
 
5 more votes and the Teddy gets a badge.
For this most excellent question.
Ruh-roh. I should go feed the cats.
 
7:56 PM
does anyone know what the symmetric difference between two sets is?
 
@Bananarama The set of points that belong to exactly one of the two sets. $$A\bigtriangleup B = (A\setminus B) \cup (B\setminus A)$$
 
@Chris'ssis I think a few of these were handled over at Integrals&Series
 
@DanielFischer thanks
 
@N3buchadnezzar A few?
 
fun fact: $C_5$ is self complementary
 
7:59 PM
@Chris'ssis 2 or 3, can not remember
 
@N3buchadnezzar Can you show me $2$ like these ones?
 
As well as $P_4$
can someone recommend me a fun book on abstract algebra?
 
@Chris'ssis I have an exam tommorow, one on wednesday and a final one on saturday
Already had 2 exams, getting pretty exhausted here
 
@N3buchadnezzar OK
 
@Chris'ssis Try here integralsandseries.prophpbb.com/topic297.html maybe somehwere between page 6 and 15
 
8:01 PM
@N3buchadnezzar There is one like these ones (I evaluated it) that was also posted on MSE.
 
r9m
I like RV's solutions with contours in I&S .. :) ..
@Chris'ssis @N3 morning :)
 
@n3 one month ago, I had a total of 61 hours of pure exam, in a 3weeks period of time
 
SUP
 
@r9m Hi
 
does dot notation only work when we're dotting a unit vector and a arbitrary vector?
 
r9m
8:05 PM
@G.T.R 33 hrs in 5 days :)
@Chris'ssis hello :D .. I see you already started manufacturing bullets and bandages (those awesome integrals :D ) :P
 
@Bananarama What do you mean by fun?
 
@r9m :-))) By the way, I have something awesome to you ...
@r9m A candy $$\int (2 x^{10}+3x^5) (x^5+3)^{1/5} \ dx$$ What way would you use?
 
@Starkers no
 
:-)
 
@JasperLoy interpret it with your own meaning of fun
 
8:14 PM
@DanielFischer I'm missing something here. Prove or disprove the existence of a 2 by 2 real matrix $A$ such that $\exp A=-I_2$. I'd definitely say no, but I can't find a proof
 
r9m
@Chris'ssis ah .. :) .. sweeet :) .. take an $x$ from outside and put it inside $()^{\frac15}$
 
@G.T.R Think of a subalgebra of $M_2(\mathbb{R})$ that is isomorphic to $\mathbb{C}$. You want a complex number such that $e^a = -1$.
 
@Bananarama Try Frederick Goodman's Algebra, available on his website
 
@JasperLoy thanks
 
@r9m ;)
 
8:23 PM
@DanielFischer I got it, @Daniel. Same thing you showed me yesterday :P
 
Hrm, I've to find the surface area of a torus, $r(u,v)=(a+b*cosv)cosu*i+(a+b*cosv)*sinu*j+b*sinv*k$, when $0<b\le a$ and $0\le v,u \le 2\pi$. Now I used the obvious vector obvious attempt of double integral over the normal of the cross vector product. After abusing all possible algebric tricks I got this beast:
 
@skullpatrol Are you gonna accept my answer?
 
$\int \int b*\sqrt{(a^2+2*a*b*cos(v)*cos^2(v)*[cos^2(v)+cos^2(2u)*sin^2(v)]}dA$
 
@JasperLoy do you want me to?
 
8:29 PM
@skullpatrol It is up to you.
 
Better :). Still, though, no idea even how to approach it.. should I try some kind of subsitution? Or just lose fear and head to it by sheer force? It scares me..
 
@DanielFischer I just realized how powerful your method is! It trivializes every 2*2 exponential-related questions I have in my problem set
 
Dan
Hi all. I posted this question yesterday but it didn't receive much attention. I'm sure I'm missing something simple. Could someone take a look at it please?
 
r9m
@G.T.R something similar happened when he answered one of my Qs some time ago (he 'trivialized' my entire $\mathbb{C}$-analysis assignment problems :-) :D
 
hi @JasperLoy
 
8:36 PM
@Charlie No hi
 
@JasperLoy oh why?
 
@Charlie Nvm, lame joke
 
@G.T.R There should really be one or two questions where that method doesn't give the (complete) solution in such a set.
 
@JasperLoy ok
 
@Charlie I am glad I don't see the stupid cat anymore
 
8:42 PM
@JasperLoy it's not stupid
 
I prefer the cat.
 
I fear cats.
 
I hate animals and babies
 
Dan
What about baby animals?
 
Same.
 
8:45 PM
how can you hate animals and babies?
 
Because I don't want to like them simply because they look cute
 
that's a poor explanation
 
Dan
Babies don't look cute, so no worries there ;)
 
i was a cute baby
 
Sometimes we treat animals or babies or humans as puppets. We cathect them but we don't love them
 
8:47 PM
Babies cry and they are irrational
 
like most adults and some mse users
 
I only really dislike 1 MSE user, lol
 
To a lesser extent @Charlie
 
It is someone with more than 100k lol
 
r9m
@DanielFischer did you author any book ? :-) :D (I'll read it even if it is promotes fascism .. u explain things so nice :) !!
 
8:49 PM
@r9m @DanielFischer I think I saw your name appear in a book Daniel
 
@r9m No, I haven't.
 
@JasperLoy BD.
 
@G.T.R That is possible. I have written (as in $\LaTeX$) a book.
 
r9m
@DanielFischer Do you plan to write one in future ? :D
 
@Jas are you there
 
8:53 PM
@ParthKohli No
@ಠ_ಠ Yes
 
@r9m Not really, it's a LOT of work, and for the fields I would be capable of writing a decent book about, there are already a lot of good books, so ...
 
@DanielFischer "Daniel Fischer compiled the final L ATEX
file and, moreover, suggested many improvements." :D
 
@JasperLoy I don't see anyone else who's hate-able.
 
@ParthKohli You are not me, I may know some things about some people that you don't lol
 
r9m
@G.T.R which book is it ? :)
 
8:55 PM
@JasperLoy Oh.
 
@ParthKohli Aha, so there is no way you can guess this one, lol
 
@JasperLoy I can guess it given twelve more chances.
 
r9m
@DanielFischer Okay .. did you write expository articles ? :)
 
@JasperLoy is it who i think it is?
 
@r9m books.google.fr/books/about/… is the book. The quote comes from the preface available on Springer website
 
8:56 PM
@Charlie I think so, we talked about it lol
 
@JasperLoy ah then yes
 
@Charlie HAHAHAHA
 
r9m
@G.T.R thanks :)
 
@r9m No, nothing published except my answers here.
 
@DanielFischer Did you write a bachelors thesis?
 
8:58 PM
No.
 
OK, mine was only 20 pages, lol
 
Dan
Diplomarbeit?
 
Just a Bachelors, not a Masters.
 
@JasperLoy it's sleeping in some library somewhere?
 
@G.T.R What thing?
 
8:59 PM
Your thesis
 
Oh I have it in PDF and it was also submitted to the dept when I was doing my undergrad
 
OK, I have one attempt.
Well, let's go with two.
 
r9m
@DanielFischer please do tell me if you change your mind in future about writing a book :-)
 
I intend to write 3 books in future, one on algebra one on analysis one on geometry
 
@r9m If I don't forget.
 
9:02 PM
But you will need to wait very long...
Maybe twenty more years
 
r9m
@DanielFischer I'll keep reminding you then :P
 
My school doesn't offer a BS in math so I don't have an option to do a senior thesis
 
@ಠ_ಠ Oh then what is offered?
 
@Daniel there's no book like Engel's problem solving book for more advanced topics like real/complex analysis, topology and functional-analysis
 
@Jas Arts
 
9:05 PM
Serge Lang has tried to write on many topics
But somehow I don't like his books
 
@G.T.R I don't know Engel's problem solving book. What kind of book is that, like Polya's "How to solve it"?
 
@Jas His are my favorite
 
@ಠ_ಠ OK.
 
Dan
Good night people.
 
@Dan See you in your dreams
 
9:07 PM
@Jas But his Differential and Riemannian Manifolds text is too hard to read
 
@ಠ_ಠ It is superseded by his Fundamentals of Differential Geometry
 
Almost as unreadable as Bourbaki texts
 
@DanielFischer No, it's more conceptual. It was originally made to train the German team for international olympiads. It's like a compilation of techniques to solve most olympiad-like problems. So it's basically teaching nice tricks to high school students
 
@G.T.R Ah. For the olympiad-like problems, I know too few tricks.
 
Hi @Daniel @Gabriel @jasper @mr eyeglasses
 
9:10 PM
Hi @Ted.
 
@TedShifrin Hi! I am now also on Math Educators
 
Salut @Ted
 
Are you educating?
 
Nope
I joined because my question got migrated there
So I thought I should get some free points
 
Was the trip windy?
 
9:12 PM
I mean my answer not question. I answered a lhf and it got me 15 votes, lol.
 
Damn ... I should answer more silly questions :D
 
Yup
 
I have been losing points for removals shrug
 
poor teddy
 
@Charlie!!
 
9:15 PM
@TedShifrin :D
 
What happened to Charles?
 
Manson?
 
lol
 
Dickens?
Xavier maybe
 
r9m
@Charlie :P lol
 
9:17 PM
XD
@JasperLoy what , jasper ?
 
@Charlie Nothing. It's so funny every time I think of that user I hate
 
@JasperLoy hehehehee
 
Whom are you hating this time, @Jasper?
 
@Charlie Most people would not know all the things I told you about this user, so they cannpt guess
@TedShifrin It's a secret, this time and last time the same person, lol
 
@JasperLoy mwahahaha
 
9:19 PM
One day soon it'll be me ... :D
 
Nah, nobody will do the same things that user did. It was too much.
 
@Jas do you perform a background check on everyone you chat with
 
Good idea, mr eyeglasses
 
@ಠ_ಠ Nope, but I do have twenty email addresses of SE folks
 
r9m
@JasperLoy Advice abandon all cognitive contexts and focus on m*********** :P
 
9:21 PM
Don't sell them to advertising companies
 
Anyway I miss Jonas.
@r9m Yes, thank you
 
I miss too
I love Jonas
 
Jonas, John and Jasper are all alive, lol
It is not clear who will die first
 
See you all later ...
 
@TedShifrin See you
 
9:22 PM
seeya @Ted
 
Charlie, where's your user's quote from?
 
@Studentmath Hamlet and peewee herman
 
Bye @Ted
 
Hrm, why the extremely odd translation to Hebrew of it then? @Charlie :P
 
@Studentmath it's something between a friend and i
haha
@Studentmath ah, that one is not a quotation
 
Oh, what did you mean there then? :P
It makes little sense in Hebrew
 
@Studentmath it's hard to explain
 
@Studentmath Perhaps google-translate it.
 
I am going to sleep in half an hour
 
Why half an hour
 
9:32 PM
No why
 
Oh
 
Ach so, nevermind then :) Just made me curious
 
ಠ_ಠ
 
Ram
I have a question from Mumford Redbook, any one have it with you right now?
 
Nope, that seems too advanced
 
9:33 PM
When will it be my turn to know algebraic geometry
 
Next life, lol
 
@ಠ_ಠ count to ten
 
You believe in reincarnation @Jas
 
@ಠ_ಠ Yes. Though I am not officially a Buddhist
 
Ram
@JasperLoy, unfortuantely, redbook is too preliminary for many people. :-(
 
9:34 PM
I believe in reincarnation and I am agnostic
 
@Ram Oh? Then what is advanced?
@ಠ_ಠ Why do you believe?
 
Ram
I don't know, I want to start reading Hartshone next fall.
 
@Jas Because I am being punished in my current life for being such a bad person in my previous life
 
@Ram OK. I always thought one can read Hartshorne straightaway with CA knowledge
@ಠ_ಠ Ah, I have a hard life too.
 
@ಠ_ಠ it's not punishment
it's learning
 
Ram
9:38 PM
@JasperLoy, yes, one can. But it will be boring,I mean, Hartshorne compress 5 page material into a single sentence, and you have to sit down and write every thing down. Which will be relatively easy if you know some AG first. As my guide says, to learn some AG you should know some AG first.
 
@Ram May I recommend Klaus Hulek's Elementary AG to you?
 
@Jas is that a book for complete beginners
To learn AG
I want to try reading a beginner one
 
@ಠ_ಠ Well, I think you still need to know much algebra, but I don't know how much, but I browsed through it and it looks good
 
Ram
@JasperLoy, looks nice introduction, but Redbook is much better for me. (I like it very much). But again, it is also condensed.
 
9:43 PM
XD
 
Ram
Fortunately I know some Geometry (Lee's) so I think I am ok.
 
@Ram Lee is a god to me
 
Ram
:-(, the spring I turned down an offer to work with him :-(.
 
Can you link me to his geometry book
 
Ram
*this
 
9:45 PM
@ಠ_ಠ It's my nine holy books
 
Oh
 
Ram
@jas
@JasperLoy, what are the other 8
 
I would go for Munkres book on manifolds, got a digital copy if you want it
or intro to manifolds by Tu
Loring W Tu
imho
 
@Ram Cohn's Classic/Basic/Further Algebra, Rudin's Mathematical/Real and Complex/Functional Analysis, Lee's Topological/Smooth/Riemannian Manifolds
 
9:47 PM
why is Lee so good?
what do you like about Lee's book(s)?
 
They have a yellow cover
And yellow is my favorite color
 
I like the way the theorems are stated and proven, eg Stokes
He has a version for manifolds with corners
 
what do you like about them relative to other authors?
 
Lee doesn't go over important details quickly
 
@ಠ_ಠ Depends on what mathematics you are studying now.
 
9:48 PM
Everyone tells me Munkres' Topology book is crap but I can't find any other introductory topology books
 
@ಠ_ಠ Read Lee or Bredon's Topology and geometry
 
Lee is too hard
 
@ಠ_ಠ Try Armstrong!
 
@ಠ_ಠ His Topological book is very easy
 
Ram
@ಠ_ಠ who told that? I like Munkres, but ofcourse there are better books, but only after you read Munkres.
 
9:50 PM
@Ram Seen Bredon before?
 
@ಠ_ಠ but munkres is so... -
 
Ram
@EnjoysMath, that is hard to say. Most books are unique in their own way. There might be better books to Lee, but I like lee because Topology looked interesting only after I read it.
@JasperLoy, yes. I have to read it some time in coming two years.But that is not a good introduction to Pointset Topology.
 
@Ram OK. I like it because it is very condensed.
 
I agree about Bredon. Great book after a first exposure somewhere else.
 
@Ram They told me Munkres spends too little time on nets, has a terrible proof of Tychonoff, ugly proof that completions can be done, no counterexamples, etc.
 
Ram
9:54 PM
@JasperLoy, yes. but most of the times, condensed means they assume prior exposure.
@ಠ_ಠ Yes, but most schools use another book with Munkres to cover those. (Usually called "Very good Point Set Topology Course").
 
@r9m the core idea behind that candy integral is very important. I'm afraid you didn't see it (yet).
 
@Ram my school is crap
 
Ram
@ಠ_ಠ I am sorry about that. What are the letters in your name? (Looks like they are from Kannada language, wondering any other significance)
 
@Ram it is a face of disapproval
 
r9m
9:59 PM
@Chris'ssis omg okay .. but the answer is $\dfrac{(x^{10}+3x^5)^{6/5}}{6}$ right ?
 

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