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2:00 PM
give me a gist.
 
If I could, I'd give you some pie I brought to school... but alas I cannot.. :P
 
too late i clicked on the link
 
@Sabyasachi Then I wish you that you get over with in a few days.
 
@Sawarnik give me a gist
net still slow doesn't load.
i sense this is some sort of puzzle regarding arranging the numbers. but what?
net still slow doesn't load.
net still slow doesn't load.
i sense this is some sort of puzzle regarding arranging the numbers. but what?
 
You are lucky.
 
r9m
2:03 PM
@Sawarnik are we doing the angle bisector ? (or are you still mad at me ?)
@Sabyasachi you have to get the number 2048 .. just press the arrow keys .. you'll understand
 
@r9m Ok, I am fine now. Sabyasachi just did it!
 
r9m
@Sawarnik how ? is it geometric ? (I can't read all that :( )
 
See above.
@r9m And I have a different hardcore technique.
@r9mWhy you cant read it?
 
r9m
@Sawarnik I have a 2 liner that nails it in 2 lines :)
 
$\pi$ day was yesterday :( .
(From Australia).
 
2:06 PM
@eXtremiity Time difference.
 
happy belated $\pi$ day :D
 
Thank you ^_^ !
 
and have some colored $$\large\color{blue}\pi$$
 
The google maps thing is pretty cool !
 
r9m
@Sawarnik wanna know it ?
 
2:07 PM
@r9m Good...I am coming in few mins.
 
Blue is my favourite color !
 
@eXtremiity but no Pi day for you. it went away
$$\large\require{cancel}\cancel{\pi}$$
2
 
Hahahhahaha
We all had pizza today at $\pi$ day. =.
 
hi
 
@eXtremiity well, I guess Pizza $\pi$ counts
 
r9m
2:10 PM
@eXtremiity did you check the latest Naruto episode ?
 
True, right !
Yeh I did, @r9m . What'd you think?
 
@r9m
 
I didn't mind it. Just because we always knew Orochimaru was a loose cannon. But it's more clear that he worked closer with the foundation.
 
So that was interesting.
 
2:11 PM
"The last episode of naruto"
 
r9m
@eXtremiity they are killing it .. :( .. all that kakashi/tenzo could be compressed into 2 episodes :(
 
@N3buchadnezzar The integrand is $O\left(\frac1{R^2}\right)$ times the length of $\pi R$...
 
I demand a "Naruto abridged" just like what TFS does for DBZ
 
@N3buchadnezzar I think I am 8 days at 200 away
 
Hahahahah @agent154 . As I was watching that clip I literally predicted every second.
Knew they were going to kiss.
So funny !
@r9m . I just can't wait till the fillers are over.
 
r9m
2:13 PM
@agent154 thats too funny :D ROFL

@eXtremiity neither can I .. I want some hardcore action !!
 
SAAAAAASSSSSSKKKKKEEEEEEIIIIII - NAARRRROOOOOOUUUUUTTTOOOOOOO
 
@eXtremiity ?
 
Sorry, @robjohn . Just quoting the video agent154 posted :p .
 
@eXtremiity I sort of guessed that, but I didn't want to watch the video right now.
 
Hahah xD
$\mathbb{N^N}$
Countable or uncountable?
I'm thinking its uncountable.
 
2:22 PM
@eXtremiity what's that notation mean?
 
@robjohn Well yeah thats my point too =) I was just not quite sure how to formaly state that.
 
$\mathbb{N^N}$ = The set of all sequences of natural numbers, @agent154
 
Oh... I think I know that as $\mathbb{N}^{*}$
 
@N3buchadnezzar so the integral is $O\left(\frac1R\right)$
 
It's most definitely uncountable. Hell, just $\{0,1\}^{*}$ is uncountable
You can use the same proof that $\mathbb{R}$ is uncountable
 
2:24 PM
Oh? I define $\mathbb{N^*}$ as $\mathbb{N} - \{0\}$.
Yes, I think I've created a bijection from $\mathbb{N^N} \to \mathbb{R}$
By that decimal trick.
 
$*$ is the superscript I learned for "all strings formed with elements from ....
 
I see.
 
Computer science thing I suppose
 
With a function I know the notation $f(A)$ for the image set of $A$ under $f$. What is the standard notation for the image of sequence ? Can I write $s(A)$ for example ? Or $s_A$ ? Or just $\{s_n : n \in A \}$ ?
 
@robjohn I was thinking that both polynomials are domiated by their largest term. Which is smaller than their absolute values. The absolute values are $R$, because of the contour and hence it behaves like $\mathcal{O}(1/R)$
 
2:27 PM
Could you put such sequences in a set, @Kasper ?
And then just follow the normal procedure.
 
hello, i'm sorry but can someone help me math.stackexchange.com/questions/711324/…
 
Oh, but you're asking for a -standard notation-. Not sure
 
@agent154 The Kleene star denotes the set of finite sequences from an alphabet.
 
Right
So nobody noticed it is the pi day today
 
Oh, no - its been mentioned a couple of times already. Hence the stared crossed out pi to your right, @N3buchadnezzar .
My $\pi$ day was yesterday though :( .
 
2:31 PM
Should tao day be 28 march?
Never skip pie day.
 
@Sawarnik you were talking about useless upvotes on my brahmagupta's formula comment the other day?check this out.
 
@N3buchadnezzar find the ratio of the lead coefficient to the sum of the others. when $R$ is bigger than that, the lead term dominates.
 
@DanielFischer How does that differ from @eXtremiity's definition of "The set of all sequences"? It seems to imply to me the set of all finite sequences (for example $\{1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,\dots,11,12,13,14,15,\dots\}$
Hmm...
 
I believe what I mentioned before can be infinite.
Infinite and finite.
 
But is $11$ as in the number eleven different from $11$ (the two sequence of 1's)?
 
2:36 PM
@agent154: how did you set the style of your pin on the map?
 
The set of all sequences consists of the infinite sequences, maps from $\mathbb{N}$ to whatever.
 
Hmmm, how about the set of all $x \in [0,1]$ whose decimal expansion contains no 7s?
One would try and map it to $[0,1]$, which is uncountable.
 
@robjohn I'm honestly not sure. There was an option to do so in the pane on the left but I can't figure out how I found it
 
But with no 7's, that would imply that the function is injective? Hence this set I've described is...countable :| ?
 
@robjohn Yeah =)
 
2:39 PM
@robjohn I found it --- hover over your name in the list and you'll see a small icon to the right of a paint can
 
@agent154 thanks. I'll dig some more. I didn't want to mess anything up.
@agent154 Ah, thanks!
 
@eXtremiity You needn't necessarily map it to $[0,1]$... Just show through Cantor's diagonalization argument. I did this in an assignment to show that the set of all binary strings is uncountable, if you allow leading zeroes
 
Oh wow ! I just handed in an assignment yesterday showing that the set of all binary strings with no 3 equal consecutive bits is uncountable.
 
I would imagine that $[0,1]$ would be countable if you disallowed zeros.
 
Or any other number from the set {0,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9}?
 
2:47 PM
I think the $0$ is the only element that makes it uncountable, so long as those 0s can be leading. If you allow zeros but disallow leading zeros, then you should be able to map onto $\mathbb{N}$ quite easy
Removing any other element doesn't remove this problem
If you have at minimum two symbols, one of which is $0$, you cannot enumerate every sequence of digits formed by them.
 
@Sabyasachi I m back. And why do you only answer lhfs? That means you are after rep.
 
Well, I may be wrong... I'm pondering something now
Nah, that's clearly not right
 
Ok, I'm getting the vibe that the set of all $x \in [0,1] $ whose decimal expansion contains no 7s is uncountable.
But at the same time, I feel that it should be countable.
 
I think I could demonstrate a bijection from $\{0,1\}^{*}\rightarrow\mathbb{N}$ providing that leading zeros were disallowed. But anything more than those two characters causes issues
 
Zzzzz - it's getting late.
 
2:53 PM
@Sawarnik what's ihfs?
 
If you disallow leading zeros in my example, then you just have a binary representation of each digit in $\mathbb{N}$.
 
@Sabyasachi lhfs. Low Hanging FruitS. You get that?
 
oooh. no i answer plenty difficult questions,
it's the easy ones that get upvotes for whatever reasons >_>
 
I see.
 
there is another conversation going on here. don't wanna disturb them move to root of math?
@Sawarnik okay
 
2:55 PM
@Sabyasachi don't worry about us
 
@Sabyasachi . Yeh, it's fine.
 
$$ \int_{\mathbb{R}} \frac{\cos x}{1+x^2}\,\mathrm{d}x $$
Why is it okay to integrate this function in the upper half plane?
I thought when you rewrote it as $e^{iz}/(1+z^2)$, then in order for the integral along the arc one needs to pick a contour in the lower half plane ?
 
Why in the lower half plane ?
 
@Sawarnik tv par kya aa raha hai?
 
2:59 PM
@eXtremiity cause $|e^{iz}|$ tends to infinity as $z \to \infty$ ?
 
It depends on your contour - how has it been defined. What is meant be $\mathbb{R}$ as the contour?
 
@Utkarsh mujhe nahi pata!
 
buddhu log
 
@eXtremiity $\int_\mathbb{R} = \int_{-\infty}^{\infty} \mathrm{d}x$
 
In class, they always told us to assume the contour to be the upper plane arc and the real axis.
 
3:00 PM
@eXtremiity Yeah but the integral along that arc might go to infinity
 
$lim_{R \to \infty} \int_{R}^{R} dx$
Nah you're question is a good one.
 
e^iz --
 
I always assumed the upper half and went with it. The Cauchy-Residue theorem seemed to work its magic.
 
@eXtremiity Oh I get it
silly me
 
Explain :o
 
3:05 PM
e^iaz goes to infinity as z grows
 
Fair enough.
 
But you need the lower half plane, if $a<0$
 
Ahh, yes.
 
So if $a>0$, then the upper half plane is fine
 
And if a<0, you would use the lower plane? But the procedure would more or less be the same?
 
3:12 PM
exactly the same
i failed at eating a banana
woow
 
Has $$\zeta''(2)$$ a known form expressed in terms of the usual constants?
 
How does one write out the infinite union of the same set $\mathbb{R}$?
 
I have no idea why that's not displaying properly
mathjax is messed up
 
GASP
 
It displays perfectly fine in my latex program
 
3:25 PM
utkarsh vanished!
 
Hahaha xD
 
Sup @PedroTamaroff. Happy $\pi$ day :P
 
Heh, hello there.
@DanielFischer I am cooking! =D
Gratin dauphinois.
 
@PedroTamaroff Yummy!
 
@DanielFischer I am hoping it ends up tasting good.
I put some garlic, boiled the cream, then some pepper, salt and nut meg.
And sliced them potatoes real thin.
 
3:28 PM
@PedroTamaroff If it doesn't, I may have to kill you for wasting good food.
 
If you say so...
@DanielFischer I didn't catch your fix on Rotman.
 
@PedroTamaroff Is that edible?
 
What is?
 
@DanielFischer in some cultures it is
 
@agent154 I meant that particular specimen.
 
3:30 PM
Goodnight !
 
@PedroTamaroff Unless I dun goofed, $G$ has (at least) two involutions when $t = 1$ or $t = 1+2^{m-1}$.
 
Oh, Ok. I willvchevk that
Electrical storm here, lights wenr out
On my phone now
Power came nack, Internet might take a while.
 
@PedroTamaroff But the oven is okay?
 
@DanielFischer Hehe internet came back just now.
Oven is not electrical.
Gas.
So all is good.
 
Phew.
 
3:34 PM
;)
@DanielFischer Today I have an exam.
 
@PedroTamaroff What about?
 
@DanielFischer Really basic analysis. Exam questions include things like "$U$ is open iff $x_n\to x\in U$ implies $x_n$ is eventually in $U$" or "if $S$ is bounded then ${\rm diam}\, S={\rm diam}\,\overline S$ and things of the sort.
Some Riemann Stieltjes integration too.
 
Okay, @Pedro, when will you come bragging?
 
@DanielFischer pouts
I will go and check my oven. =)
 
@PedroTamaroff are you not using a laptop?
 
3:43 PM
@robjohn Yes, I am.
 
@PedroTamaroff Then power outages shouldn't be too bad, I would imagine.
 
@robjohn they are for me since my laptop battery doesn't last that long
 
@PedroTamaroff Can you tether your laptop onto your phone to get internet connection?
@agent154 Ah, I get a new battery when that happens.
 
@robjohn too expensive for me... I'm using a 4 year old Dell, and the company charges a lot for a replacement. Non dell-branded batteries have a tendency to refuse to charge thanks to DRM dell puts in their laptops
 
@robjohn Oh, I think that'd be too expensive.7
 
3:47 PM
I plan on getting a new laptop somewhat shortly anyhow that will hopefully last about 8 hours on battery
 
@agent154 My laptop is 8 years old, but I replaced the battery about four years ago. I need to get a new battery soon.
 
@robjohn It means you cannot play the latest games that require hardware of last generation. :-)
 
@Chris'ssis games? I would use a desktop computer if I were to play games, but I don't do anything more high powered than Mathematica on my laptop
 
@robjohn I see. OK. :-)
 
OMG I just noticed it was Pi Day...
 
3:50 PM
It's also Einstein's birth anniversary.
 
@robjohn yeah. I bought Pie to school for the occasion. :P
 
In 10 minutes it will be 3:14:16 (4PM UTC)
 
I wish there were more than 60 minutes in an hour.. Then I could say that it'll soon be 15:92
 
@agent154 yeah, we gotta live with 3.1416...
 
Next year will be the most awesome pi day though. 3/14/15
 
4:23 PM
@robjohn I found a funny story here mathworld.wolfram.com/HadjicostassFormula.html. They say " It was conjectured by Hadjicostas (2004) and almost immediately proved by Chapman (2004)."
@robjohn thousand and thousands of students can prove that (easily). Perhaps many people didn't know of Hadjicostas formula that he conjectured. Well, I did it immediately as I saw it. There was nothing hard with that.
 
@Chris'ssis I think the discovery is the important part. Sure, when something is discovered, it is often easy to prove.
 
@robjohn It's interesting this discovery was done so late ...
 
@Chris'ssis The same could be said for the Soddy corollary that I think I discovered (I did a bunch of research and asked some experts in the area)
 
Soddy corollary?
 
is $\left(\mathbb{Q}\otimes_\mathbb{Z} m\mathbb{Z}\right)\cap \left(\mathbb{Q}\otimes_\mathbb{Z} n\mathbb{Z}\right)$ isomorphic to $\mathbb{Q}$ (with $n\ne m$ - let's say they're coprime)?
inside $\mathbb{Q}\otimes_\mathbb{Z} \mathbb{Z}$.
 
4:29 PM
yesterday, by robjohn
@r9m it is more linear algebra... I will put it on Dropbox
 
@robjohn Nice result.
 
@Chris'ssis Theorem 1.1 is known as Soddy's Theorem or the Soddy-Gosset Theorem. Theorem 1.2 is new, I believe.
 
@robjohn I see. I'm still on that paper.
 
@AlexanderGruber Yo.
 
@PedroTamaroff yo
 
4:41 PM
You told me you used that classification theorem for $p$-groups a lot?
That if a $p$ group as a unique involution then it is a generalized quaternion, and else it is as cyclic group, $p$ odd.
 
@JasperLoy I did a small talk on CoV in 1978 for an undergrad seminar
 
@PedroTamaroff tons
 
well, one major thing is that the Sylow subgroups of a Frobenius complement have unique involutions.
so i know immediately it's a product of cyclic and generalized quaternions groups
 
@AlexanderGruber Cool.
 
4:46 PM
(Frobenius complements are the $H$ part of Frobenius groups $G=K\rtimes H$, i.e. they act on a nilpotent group fixing only the identity)
 
@AlexanderGruber I read the definition of a Frobenius group yesterday.
 
@PedroTamaroff in chat or in your book?
 
No, Wikipedia.
 
they are very useful.
 
It is a permutation group where no nontrivial element fixes more than one element, and some element fixes at least one?
 
4:49 PM
@PedroTamaroff right.
 
I had written two.
 
it turns out (via character theory) that they're a semidirect product, $G=K\rtimes H$. we call $K$ the Frobenius kernel and $H$ the Frobenius complement.
it is a big theorem that $K$ is nilpotent (by John Thompson)
 
@AlexanderGruber Thompson was a big fish in group theory! =D
 
@PedroTamaroff he was a professor at the University i'm grad schooling at up until the year before I came.
 
A character of a group is a map from the group to what kind of structure? $\Bbb C^\times$?
@AlexanderGruber DRATS!
 
4:55 PM
@PedroTamaroff a representation of a group is a homomorphism $\rho:G\rightarrow \operatorname{GL}(V)$, where $V$ is a vector space. generally you're working in finite dimensional spaces, so $\rho(g)$ is a matrix for each $g\in G$. the function $\operatorname{tr}(\rho)$ is the "character" of $\rho$.
so it does go into $k^\times$ (with $V=k^n$)
 
@AlexanderGruber Oh, cool beans.
I stumbled upon Dirichlet characters, though. Is that a particular case of this, or just the name coincides? I know one can more generally study characters of abelian groups, not only $C_n$.
 
@PedroTamaroff i think Dirichlet characters are one-dimensional representations of some kind of abelian groups, let me check
 
I heardz it is the best approach to proving an abelian group has a subgroup of order $d$ for every divisor of its order.
 
@PedroTamaroff yeah i think that's how they do it
you can actually do fourier transforms with character theory, I think this is a simple example of that
 
@AlexanderGruber Nice!
 
5:00 PM
(character theory is really fun, by the way. :P)
 
Hello mods in chat, this "answer" is actually a PSQ in portuguese. Should I translate it first so you can confirm it or should I vote to close it right away?
 
@IanMateus it's not an answer?
if so i'll delete it. if it's just an answer in portuguese you can translate it if you like, otherwise I'll delete it.
 
@AlexanderGruber no, it basically asks you to find $a$ and $b$ given some linearly dependent vectors, totally unrelated. It even says (HINT: remember that $\cos(60^\circ)=1/2$)
 
@IanMateus alright i deleted it
 
@AlexanderGruber thank you, he posted it now
 
5:08 PM
@IanMateus generally posts here are required to be written in English, but you can translate it for him if you're feeling generous.
 
Did anyone see that Chinese post?
 
@AlexanderGruber the title is in portuguese. Should I keep it in portuguese, add an english version altogether or translate it to english?
 
@IanMateus translate it to English.
 
@ParthKohli yeah, I saw google translate.
 
That was clever, actually. He even wrote mathematics.
 
5:13 PM
I don't think so. It was very easy to spot, no emotions.
 
I really thought it was a generic mathematics question...
until I used translate.
 
5:28 PM
coolio
 
5:47 PM
Livin' in a gangsta's paradise.
 
6:02 PM
Why is there no e day? :-(
 
I guess there's no tasty e treat to have on february 8th?
 
7th?
2/7/18 will be the real e day
 
I'm ashamed of myself. I thought it was 2.8-something
 
I should flag that^ :D
In a math room of all places
@agent154 685/252 is a good approximation to e as 22/7 is to Pi
 
6:18 PM
define goodness
 
The opposite of badness
 
i doubt there are any approximations to e as good as 22/7 is to pi by my definition of goodness :)
 
@Mike LAWL.
 
True, that one is easy to remember
 
My midterm was suspended because of a masive bus sindicate halt.
 
6:22 PM
my definition of goodness of an approximation $p/q$ to $\alpha$ is $$-\frac{\log(|\alpha-p/q|)}{\log q}$$
bigger the better, and $\text{goodness}(\pi, 22/7) \approx 3.4293$, which is abnormally large
 
@Mike What about 315/???
 
355/113
 
Dat one.
 
$\approx 3.201$
 
Hmm, I am deciding which room is best for chatting...
 
6:28 PM
@JasperLoy Did you try the freezer room?
 
Let me know when you decide, pal
 
@PedroTamaroff Nope, I am choosing this room or the Eng room.
 
Hey guys
That map thingy is really cool
 
@PedroTamaroff Why? I don't understand.
 
They will torture you if you make the wrong mistake :-(
More so than on here if you make an arithmetic mistake.
 
6:35 PM
I'm learning english by seeing you chating in this room, do you advise me to go to the Nazi's room;-)@skullpatrol
 
@jayesh How are your classes?
@SamiBenRomdhane chatting*
 
@JasperLoy Good. Just had midterms.
 
Ah this is my first mistake@JasperLoy
 
You should go wherever you feel the most comfortable, there is also an ELL room @sami
 
I think I have decided to talk more in the ELU room.
 
6:42 PM
Here I'm comfortable and I'm hunting two birds by a single arrow@skullpatrol
 
nice
 
Wow, some idiot just downvoted my answer without comment.
 
How unusual.
 
@JasperLoy How are you doing?
 
@JayeshBadwaik I am still trying to get well. I am postponing my plans of going to grad school.
 
6:44 PM
@JasperLoy Ahh...
 
Hi @jayesh
 
@skullpatrol Hi
 
Wow, that downvote is really vicious, for a correct answer...
 
The world can be a vicious place sometimes pal
 
I see that there is another victim on that same post, lol.
 
6:45 PM
@FernandoMartin =D
Hello there.
 
@PedroTamaroff Was the gratin good?
 
I have upvoted the other answers and as usual I will delete my post since it is now overall at 0 votes.
 
Good plan
 
@PedroTamaroff Looks fine. And the taste?
 
6:48 PM
@PedroTamaroff That doesn't answer his question.
 
0
Q: Can you use a calculator on the GRE Math Subject Exam?

MatthewWell, my princeton review GRE Mathematics Practice Book just came today..I am so excited to enroll in MIT (hopefully!). Can we use our calculators on the real test? Thanks.

 
@DanielFischer I think I should have put more garlic, pepper and nutmeg to the cream.
 
Wow, he is telling everyone he wants to go MIT!
 
But it tasted good.
The potatoes well perfectly cooked, and the grated cheese was awesome.
 
Good.
 
6:49 PM
Hey @Pedro
 
@JasperLoy Voted to close.
 
I'll be right back
 
@FernandoMartin So, my exam was suspended because "paro de bondis".
 
@PedroTamaroff Que?
 
@PedroTamaroff I seriously doubt he can get into MIT.
 
6:50 PM
@DanielFischer Bondi = bus, Paro = sindicate halt.
 
@JasperLoy Thanks for the LHF.
 
@Mike Wow, really quick.
 
Today I kind rescued a doge.
 
hello everyone
 
A Venetian doge, @Pedro?
 
6:53 PM
@DanielFischer It looked like a collie, but smaller and with shorter hair. Big storm here, probably ran in fear.
 
@PedroTamaroff This is a venetian doge.
 
Had number in his neck, which was good.
 
 
Some people spell it Von Manglodt. I did.
 
I only applied to 2 universities for my undergrad, I should have applied to more, lol.
Back then I did not know how bad one of the places was.
 
6:55 PM
At least three. Three strikes and you're out
 
I will apply to about 5 grad schools if I apply. 10 is a little too expensive.
I won't choose the top schools, so no worries.
Actually, I think grad school applications should be free, sigh...
@pedro Have you decided where you wanna go for your graduate studies?
 
Check the differentiability of $$f(x,y):=xe^{|y|}$$ on $\mathbb R^2$ . =D
 

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