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7:00 PM
Okay, now I've lost it everywhere.
 
user19161
Previously, it was almost everywhere. :-)
 
I guess the DNS cache just got propagated.
Actually, it only looked like I lost it for BBEdit. It just takes a really long time to refresh.
 
I did a dig +trace and here is the result
; <<>> DiG 9.4.3-P3 <<>> +trace cdn.mathjax.org
;; global options: printcmd
. 476217 IN NS f.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS b.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS m.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS k.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS c.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS g.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS e.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS d.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS i.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS l.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS j.root-servers.net.
. 476217 IN NS h.root-servers.net.
 
That is mostly correct in the sense that I am also getting ns12.domaincontrol.com at 199.19.56,7,4,5.1
 
7:12 PM
What are [Math Processing Error]? Do you want to prove that the roots of [Math Processing Error] are real numbers? In fact, the roots are simply roots and they are in [Math Processing Error].
 
@GustavoBandeira are you trolling?
 
I loled reading this.
 
Okay.
I am going to sleep now.
gn
 
@JayeshBadwaik sleep well
 
@JohnSenior thanks
 
7:17 PM
I did a dig -t cname cdn.mathjax.org and got this
cdn.mathjax.org. 1690 IN CNAME c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com.
now I try it again and it fails
 
How do I figure out if my DNS is not yet propagated or that I am skillless? 8-).
 
@JonasTeuwen by "propagated" I meant that the caches in different applications were getting in synch. Firefox cannot find cdn.mathjax.org but BBEdit seemed to be able to.
 
@robjohn Oh. What? I had a similar question.
Do your applications have DNS caches?
Perhaps your browser does...
 
Last that Unix was able to find it, it was a CNAME, canonical name for c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com
 
So you just locally remap it? And robjohn is done! 8-).
I was thinking about my website sharingmylackofunderstanding.nl
 
7:31 PM
@JonasTeuwen Have you got an IP address for that? - too impatient to wait for dns to propagate across the servers :)
 
@JohnSenior Hmm, it is a virtual host.
Let me see if I can forward it differently!
 
Ack! there is a long chain of canonical names before it gets to a real IP:
;; ANSWER SECTION:
cdn.mathjax.org. 3205 IN CNAME c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com.
c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com. 240 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.
a40.rackcdn.com. 240 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net.
a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net. 271 IN CNAME a42.dscg10.akamai.net.
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 15 IN A 205.168.236.241
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 15 IN A 205.168.236.240
 
@JonasTeuwen But I could still add it to /etc/hosts, and it should work :)
 
One moment, I will map it to somewhere else!
 
I used to add virtual servers to hosts alll the time to get round dns problems in my last job
 
7:33 PM
Not able to sleep. @robjohn it seems your akamai ip and mine are different, so probably that paritcular akamai server is down.
 
@JayeshBadwaik which IP do you get?
 
39 mins ago, by Jayesh Badwaik
this is the dig output for cdn.mathjax.org
===============================================================
cdn.mathjax.org. 2957 IN CNAME c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com.
c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com. 268 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.
a40.rackcdn.com. 268 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net.
a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net. 268 IN CNAME a42.dscg10.akamai.net.
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 20 IN A 125.252.225.119
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 20 IN A 125.252.225.142
@robjohn
 
@JayeshBadwaik that is weird. Some DNS change has not propagated here yet, perhaps.
 
Even weirder. Now I get this.
;; ANSWER SECTION:
cdn.mathjax.org. 2326 IN CNAME c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com.
c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com. 14 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.
a40.rackcdn.com. 255 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net.
a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net. 14 IN CNAME a42.dscg10.akamai.net.
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 14 IN A 81.52.205.136
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 14 IN A 81.52.205.144
May be an upgrade is going on somewhere.
 
GoDaddy is down right now
 
7:35 PM
@JayeshBadwaik something like that.
@EdGorcenski That could be problematic for some sites.
 
Some DNS routing, etc may also be affected
 
this might be the reason probably same as Ed's post
 
"AnonymousOwn3r’s bio reads “Security leader of #Anonymous (~Official member~).” The individual claims to be from Brazil, and hasn’t issued a statement as to why GoDaddy was targeted."
@GustavoBandeira ??
:P
 
@JohnSenior This could be part or all of the problem.
Ooh, I'm getting some MathJax back!
 
7:41 PM
It seems that a percentage of my DNS requests are succeeding.
 
Incidentally, I've not had any MathJax problems from here in the states.
So it may also have to do with some geographical routing stuff
 
@EdGorcenski :-p I am in Southern California
 
@JonasTeuwen Cool! I like your website designs.
 
Likely the problem based on @robjohn's comment right now -- DNS resolutions usually come back online in piecemeal, as routing tables are re-downloaded and updated to bypass the problems.
 
@JonasTeuwen Bookmarked :)
 
7:43 PM
@robjohn I'm in Virginia. Interestingly, I cannot get to our local newspaper's website, but I can get to MathJax just fine.
 
@robjohn Not had any problems here at all - but I run my own local DNS server (not sure if that has anything to do with it)
 
@JohnSenior I do, too, but it relies on other DNS servers that may rely on GoDaddy's servers.
 
@JohnSenior 8-).
@JayeshBadwaik You do? Why. Just very simple.
 
@JonasTeuwen That's why exactly. 8-)
 
7:55 PM
Now I get
;; ANSWER SECTION:
cdn.mathjax.org. 1789 IN CNAME c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com.
c328740.r40.cf1.rackcdn.com. 210 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.
a40.rackcdn.com. 262 IN CNAME a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net.
a40.rackcdn.com.mdc.edgesuite.net. 211 IN CNAME a42.dscg10.akamai.net.
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 20 IN A 63.166.98.16
a42.dscg10.akamai.net. 20 IN A 63.166.98.249
 
@robjohn Perhaps. If you wait all will be fine. Relax! 8-).
 
@JonasTeuwen Just don't do math!? what are you thinking? ;-)
 
@robjohn But now you are doing DNS! 8-).
What part of the site does not load?
 
If the problem is purely lack of dns, cannot it be solved temporarily by adding the Mathjax server to /etc/hosts ?
 
Yes.
But you can also just locally store the .js.
And then modify it through transparant proxy! 8-).
 
7:57 PM
@JonasTeuwen neat :)
 
Additionally first check if the server is up! If not fall back to local .js.
That way, the math junkies will not be without much TeX.
 
@JonasTeuwen even neater
 
And if the whole server is down... just serve and old version from cache!
 
@robjohn do you run a http server on your localhost?
 
@JayeshBadwaik I do.
 
8:01 PM
if yes, then you can get a copy of mathjax from somewhere and host it on localhost and use /etc/hosts to fool your computer into thinking that localhost is your cdn.mathjax.org
 
it is old and not very capable, but it does serve pages. :-)
Ah, it is not on my laptop but on another machine.
 
@robjohn not a problem if it is available over your network
 
@JohnSenior yeah.
 
@JayeshBadwaik Can just use file:///
Or rewrite using transparant proxy.
 
@JonasTeuwen The site loads mathjax automatically, so the site has to be fooled.
 
8:04 PM
There are plenty of "webmaster plugins" for Firefox, just point it to a local file.
@JayeshBadwaik Yes, easy.
iptables to mark the package and send it through squid.
 
@JonasTeuwen Plugin vs a line in /etc/hosts?
 
+ webserver.
The plugin is easier for sure.
 
maybe the quick-and-dirty solution is just to add something like
cdn.mathjax.org 62.41.62.97
to hosts
 
@JonasTeuwen Squid!! Dude, one line vs squid??
 
I always have Squid running.
I like to shape my HTTP requests.
Also, my Layer 7 firewall is being.. worked on!
 
8:06 PM
Hmm, I have squid and tor running. I don't use them always though.
Layer 7?? That must restrict your application usage like anything.
 
Yes.
Sandbox.
But might be a bit tricky.
You have to catch it before it encrypts stuff.
@PeterTamaroff Thanks! 8-).
 
@GustavoBandeira Tá bravo comigo?
 
Mathjax broken on M.SE for anyone else?
eh... okay. clear cache, kill browser and restart seems to have fixed it
 
@kahen you just missed a "where is mathjax?" debugging session on chat.
 
I see
 
8:31 PM
I do not wish to do homework this evening. I wish to drink beer and watch football.
 
hi
i cant see the formulas
im going to die
$\pi$
 
MathJax is down because some bored idiot decided to make a quasi-political statement and hack a major DNS provider
Nothing secures my sympathy for a cause like making my life supremely inconvenient.
 
it's working here... $\alpha$
it is
 
no it is not
come here and check
$\pi$
 
It works for me in chat; it does not work for me in main.
 
8:33 PM
@EdGorcenski Jeez,Just wanted to sleep...
 
"I do not wish to do homework this evening. I wish to drink beer and watch football.
"
@EdGorcenski it's all normal for me...
 
@MeAndMath Like every evening for me.
Holy monkey, my screen spontaneously splits in two sometimes! I might have made a coding errreur.
 
bye guise
 
@JonasTeuwen I'm sooo tired...can't eeven think correctly...
@bakabakabaka why??leaving so soon...
 
8:36 PM
@MeAndMath Not so bad. I cannot even think correctly when I am awake!
 
:D
 
i hope to sleep and learn all the complex analysis in my sleep
2
 
@MeAndMath Football? Sao Paulo? Santos?
 
@JayeshBadwaik You know it!!!But no ,I don't like football.
 
@bakabakabaka Haha. Nope.
@JohnSenior This is a pretty fine beer.
 
8:38 PM
@bakabakabaka I cannot tell you how much I agree with you.
@MeAndMath I know you said it sometime, you like only individual sports.
But then I guess you don't like beer too.
 
@JayeshBadwaik yeah, yeah.No I hate it.Hate beer.
 
163 messages
 
Let's switch:Soda and movies on tv.
 
Nice number since I was gone.
 
@MeAndMath Coffee and a good book to read.
@PeterTamaroff What is nice about 163?
 
8:40 PM
$\pi
$
$\pi$
T_T
 
@JayeshBadwaik WOW!!!That's just everything...RElaxing. I love books.I'm bibliophile.
 
@JonasTeuwen which one is that?
 
@JohnSenior Tripel Karmeliet.
 
@MeAndMath Yeah, me too. Jonas does get a little irritated by that though. He is a beerophile you see.
 
@JayeshBadwaik I like the type of sport where I can beat the shit out of the other guy.
With an intellectual touch.
 
8:42 PM
@JayeshBadwaik I realized...
 
@JonasTeuwen So, chess-boxing?
 
That's too rough.
 
@JonasTeuwen looks excellent
 
@JonasTeuwen Tetris arm-wrestling then?
 
8:43 PM
I could only read 10 books this year.
 
@JayeshBadwaik ludo-judo maybe?
 
@JohnSenior Not only does it look excellent. It tastes like the heavens and hells intertwined!
Forget about the intellectual part, lets just beat the shit out of eachother!
2
 
@JonasTeuwen Yeah, that is better, let me bring my hockey stick.
@MeAndMath I don't keep count but I have read a lot less this year and the year before, since I decided to study more math.
 
@JayeshBadwaik I only have time to read in vacation...then I read as much as I can...
 
@MeAndMath Same here, but I have had no vacation this year so to say. :P
 
8:47 PM
@JayeshBadwaik that's bad :(
 
@MeAndMath Yeah.
 
@JayeshBadwaik I try to find time in the way to my uni.
I read Sherlock Holmes in a bus.
 
@MeAndMath Hmm, sherlock holmes is nice, really nice.
Which kinds of books do you like?
 
@JayeshBadwaik fantasy, investigation, sci-fi...
 
@MeAndMath Okay, I read generally everything, right now reading this
 
8:53 PM
@JayeshBadwaik seems interesting!
 
@MeAndMath His first book, Kite Runner was really painful. This is less so.
 
@JayeshBadwaik I liked this one
 
Hmm, must read it.
 
@JayeshBadwaik I cried with this
 
@MeAndMath Are you on goodreads? I have a profile there which is not regularly updated right now though.
 
8:57 PM
@JayeshBadwaik well, I don't know...I see a book read its plot,if it is at least interesting , I'm reading.
I wanted to read every new book released!
 
Ohh.. (for the crying part) ...
Same with me, I too just pick up books in bookstores, flip through them a little, if I like them, I read them.
 
@JayeshBadwaik Totally!!!!
Love bookstores!!!
 
This one is a good book. The book is set in a fictitious town of Malgudi, as are many other books by the author. Really good one.
 
I have a weird thing:I like the smell of books!
I like to smell books!
 
@MeAndMath Hehe, I like it too. But now, with my usage of ebooks, I don't get to smell them anymore.
 
9:02 PM
@MeAndMath Smelling books?
I once wiped my ass with a book because it sucked so much.
Actually with the pages.
 
@JonasTeuwen A shitty book you had.
 
@JayeshBadwaik new books,cause I am allergic...
 
@MeAndMath Okay! Dust allergy?
 
@JayeshBadwaik Bachelor of arts seems to be good!
@JayeshBadwaik for sure.My mom doesn't like me to catch books from my uni library because of that...
 
MJD
I saw a report from Davide Cedrone that MathJax CDN was not working, but then I saw another report that it was working again. But it's not working for me in this browser.
Is it just me, or everyone?
 
9:05 PM
Most people, depending on locality.
 
MJD
Very good, thanks.
 
Hackers have hit a major DNS provider today, and things are well and truly screwed
 
@MJD See the pinned link about techcrunch on right.
@MeAndMath @JonasTeuwen please star that link so that people can see it.
Or may be we can get something better.
just a sec
 
@JayeshBadwaik ok!
 
MathJaX may not work for some people depending on locality due to the godaddy servers being hacked and hence, DNS services failing for a lot of sites. For more information, see here.
9
@MeAndMath Star the message above this.
 
9:08 PM
@JayeshBadwaik Done,Jay.
 
@JohnSenior Star this message so people can see it and get answers fast.
@MeAndMath Thanks
 
@JayeshBadwaik done already :)
 
@JohnSenior Thanks.
 
@JayeshBadwaik What. Link.
 
"Anonymous:we do not forgive,We do not forget". Go fuck yourselves!
 
9:11 PM
@JonasTeuwen My status, which has 4 stars as of now. It is too long I see though. :-(
 
MJD
Thanks.
 
@JayeshBadwaik You said you had a profile about books?
 
@MeAndMath Yup, goodreads, there people can write about the books they have read, are planning to read etc.
 
@JayeshBadwaik Really interesting!
 
9:14 PM
@MeAndMath Yup! I have not updated it for a long time now, but may be I will now. It is like facebook for only books, no faces :P
@JonasTeuwen Hehe, I am getting this. Will take some time for DNS servers to sync.
 
@JayeshBadwaik Oh..give me the adress!!!
 
@JayeshBadwaik Your DNS server sucks.
 
@JonasTeuwen Google!
@MeAndMath goodreads.com
 
Quick math question, yknow, to put the chat back on subject briefly
 
9:16 PM
@JonasTeuwen great! - spread the lackofunderstanding :)
 
Actually, crap, nevermind
 
@EdGorcenski :P
 
This is a homework problem, technically I shouldn't receive outside help.
 
@JayeshBadwaik It is not going...
 
@JohnSenior My first article was about DNS.
 
9:17 PM
Although, I have an alternative proof of the problem....
 
@MeAndMath GoDaddy problems I suppose.
 
Apparently I took the wrong nsxxx.whatever, the xxx, where the bloody DNS manager only checked if .whatever was okay.
 
@JayeshBadwaik probably :(
 
I misunderstood the ignorance of programmers.
 
@EdGorcenski You can ask it. I am interested and might not help you, so you would not be cheating and I would be benefitting. Win-Win :-)
 
9:17 PM
@JonasTeuwen no need to spread lack-of-understanding about that - there is already enough!
 
@MeAndMath It is opening for me though, so seems a Americas specific problem.
 
It stopped working for me too 8-(.
Cache expired?
 
@JonasTeuwen Yup, probably, not a good day for putting up sites I guess. :-(
 
@JayeshBadwaik oh...
 
Anonymous had talked about bringing down the complete DNS servers of the world around a year ago.
May be this is a part of their plan.
 
9:20 PM
MWAHAHA
 
May be this is the lynchpin where governments introduce emergency measures and suddenly all your rights are lost, and then, V for Vendetta!
 
Alan moore is Proud.
 
Hi, I'm trying to remember how to integrate having forgotten how to do it. Does anyone here know of a good site that has common integration rules?
 
@JayeshBadwaik Alright, but now I need to remember the phrasing of what I was thinking. I shall phrase it as a statement, and not a question.
 
@EdGorcenski Yup, no problem. (Pun was intended, no wait it wasn't....or..maybe..?)
 
9:22 PM
@JohnSenior I almost fainted! The glass felt so empty when I lifted it. Luckily I took the wrong one. Phew!
 
@MeAndMath Anyway, my stomach is grumbling, so I have to go fix a snack for myself. See you in a bit, hope the chat stays up till then.
 
Yknow, I don't even remember what I was going to ask. It had to do with a somewhat clever proof involving limit points of open/closed sets of R^2
 
@JayeshBadwaik I'm waiting!
 
Suddenly there's a black band across the top of MSE saying: "TeX might not render (GoDaddy was hacked)"
Anybody know more?
 
Yes, there is a link starred on the right
Or, was
 
9:24 PM
you have to follow the comment with 6 stars to see it.
 
@HenningMakholm we were discussing this earlier...
 
I put up a system message "TeX might not render (GoDaddy was hacked)". Can someone think of better system message?
 
@HenningMakholm I always knew GoDaddy were crazy people.
Perhaps "the incompetent folks at GoDaddy got hacked".
 
9:26 PM
@JayeshBadwaik I remember now.
 
I'm so watching Thor now.
 
@PeterTamaroff really?
 
All my math productivity today has been dstroyed by the awesomeness of Stan Lee.
 
@PeterTamaroff He is amazing!
 
Okay, okay.
 
9:27 PM
Oh no! I cannot read this
 
but why would anonymous hack those sites?
@peoplepower FUUUUUUUUUU
 
@MeAndMath maybe their support for SOPA?
 
@JohnSenior arent SOPA already canceled?
 
@MeAndMath I think Anonymous were annoyed at GoDaddy for supporting SOPA
 
On the other hand, is there any reason to leave equals sign outside of the dollar signs?
 
9:33 PM
Let that be a warning to anyone not to buy DNS service from someone who doesn't subcontract for backup nameservers run by different sysadmins in a different organization (who will make different mistakes and therefore not be hacked at the same time).
 
@HenningMakholm agreed
 
Proposition: Every point of an open subset E in R^2 is a limit point.
Proof: Assume by contradiction that there is an x in E such that x is not a limit point. Since x is in the open set E, it is an interior point, and has a neighborhood N_R(x) contained in E. Let 0 < r <= R, and let N be the set of all neighborhoods of radius r. Define a function f: (0,R] -> N as a :-> N_a(x). The function f is clearly onto, so the proposition is equal to showing that f is bijective (which would yield the equivalent statement that x is a limit point <=> N has no minimal element).
 
@EdGorcenski Okay, I am back now. You might want to ask again.
 
@HenningMakholm Hey. I learnt about minors and cofactors today =)
 
@HenningMakholm Completely agree.
@MeAndMath I am back.
 
9:35 PM
@JayeshBadwaik Hi,again!
 
@MeAndMath SOPA is cancelled, but their is TPP, ACTA and other things still floating around.
@MeAndMath Hi!
 
@EdGorcenski Are you sure?
 
@JayeshBadwaik things getting ugly...
 
About what
 
@HenningMakholm Hear, hear!
 
9:37 PM
@EdGorcenski About that proposition
 
Fairly sure, I might be missing something. The proposition is true, unless I've completely blown my definition-pushing proof, but I'm trying to exploit isomorphism to land a nicer proof.
 
@MeAndMath Might or might not. I am not sure, may be they can be balanced well, with good policies.
 
Basically, if x is not a limit point, then there is a neighborhood N_s(x) = {x}, and N_t(x) = N_s(x) for all t<s.
 
@JayeshBadwaik yes...
@JayeshBadwaik what time is it there?
 
@MeAndMath 0300 hrs
at your place?
 
9:40 PM
@JayeshBadwaik 18h40min
 
@EdGorcenski Are we in $\mathbb R^2$ with the a standard (metric) topology?
 
Yes.
 
@JayeshBadwaik Is there some massive cyberattack going down?
I know of other pages being hacked.
@EdGorcenski OK.
 
Not massive, just annoying
 
@MeAndMath Nem percebi isso, né? =)
 
9:42 PM
@EdGorcenski Hehe OK. Now, a limit point $x$ of a set $E$ is such that the every punctured neighbor of $x$ intersects $E$, yes?
 
@PeterTamaroff If you know of some way in which the proposition is not true, please let me know, but I am fairly certain I proved it through boring definition shoving.
 
@GustavoBandeira o quê?
 
@EdGorcenski I think it is true.
 
@EdGorcenski What metric are we using?
 
@PeterTamaroff Usual metric as he said.
 
9:43 PM
A limit point $x$ is a point such that every neighborhood contains a point other than $x$ -- so yes.
 
Que tu é travada. =)
 
@EdGorcenski Punctured neighborhood is a nice way of putting it =)
@EdGorcenski Now, let $x$ be any point on the open set.
 
@GustavoBandeira que delicadeza...
 
Then, by definition of an open set, $E$ contains a set $N_x$ that is a nbhd of $x$.
 
@BillDubuque: thanks for putting up the warning banner. I just found out how to do that :-)
 
9:44 PM
@HenningMakholm Whohho. But what if you are yourself the best sysadmin? Then you have to subcontract to a worse one.
 
It is kinda trivial I think. I was reading it off wrong, I guess.
 
In my experience, I like to make things simple for the graders. Woe unto all of us when I forgot my Laplace transform table during a control system exam and computed them all manually. The graders had no clue what was happening.
@PeterTamaroff Yes, I agree. This course I am taking is mainly a review for me, as it has been 5+ years since I saw this material last. But I wasn't very good at it back then anyways, so i want to be certain.
 
@JonasTeuwen It's not a total order, and I don't think it has a maximal element.
 
@EdGorcenski Oh, OK.
@EdGorcenski Hehe, that's the way to go!
 
@HenningMakholm Correct!
 
9:45 PM
@HenningMakholm Mm... not so sure...
Okay, there are better ones, but not many. And they are like much more expensive!
"Sure! Can do! 500€ per hour!"
 
@MeAndMath Haha
 
Son of a...
 
@JonasTeuwen And anyway, even if the flaws are similar, if the attack uses some kind of password/key cracking, then you have increases that much amount of time with you.
 
Do I look like I use passwords?
Well, I do actually but!
Keys. Keys. Keys.
And everywhere a different one.
 
@JonasTeuwen They don't have to be better. Just different is enough. (As in "cannot have their passwords stolen in the same clever social engineering attack that gets yours").
 
9:48 PM
Social engineering and sysadmins? They should... reconsider their job.
 
41 secs ago, by Jonas Teuwen
And everywhere a different one.
 
The simplest proof is to say $x$ is an interior point, therefore it has a neighborhood $N_R(x)$. Let $u \in R^2$ be such that $\| u \| = 1$, and let $r < R$. Assume that there is a punctured neighborhood $N_s(x)$ such that $N_s(x)$ does not intersect $E$, with $s > r$. However, $N_R(x) \supset x+ru$, and $x+ru \in N_s(x)$ by definition, so the assumption is false. Thus, x is a limit point.
 
"Sup bro! The thing here asked for the root password? What is that for a thing? Can you tell me please."
 
@JonasTeuwen Sysadmins who think they are infallible should reconsider their job even more.
 
@HenningMakholm Aw. Yes, but social engineering is a bit... m.
Torturing would work.
Not sure if that counts as social engineering though.
 
9:50 PM
Dammit, how do you do backwards element of.
 
@JonasTeuwen Steal X.509 certificate of some trusted authority (that will be easy, its an authority after all) and then fool people using it?
 
That is not social engineering right?
Somebody once installed a root kit on my honey pot.
For a different architecture.
ls: segfault.
 
You only have to apply social engineering to the weakest link.
 
Errr?
@JayeshBadwaik Hence the statement: "if you want something done right, do it yourself."
So, you are the weakest & strongest link 8-).
 
@JonasTeuwen And the contradictory statement "Do not reinvent the wheel as far as possible" :P
Chrome is/was considered unhackable in the sense that there were no major public security bugs
then a french company comes in on "hack a chrome" contests
hacks it and completely destroys it.
 
9:53 PM
I like to reinvent the wheel.
 
then refuses to share the secrets since it has many clients.
 
@JayeshBadwaik I have developed a compression technique to reduce everthing to 64kb.
 
@JonasTeuwen re-invent a better wheel :)
 
@JohnSenior Yep.
 
@GustavoBandeira I'm fine the way I am
 
9:54 PM
@JonasTeuwen there is a theorem about compression - in one of Knuth's books, I think
 
Any organization that has the resources to run a set of nameservers with sufficient redundancy (hardware, location, connectivity) within the organization itself will consist of significantly more than one person. Internal communication and the demand for robustness against the sudden loss of one member almost surely implies that social engineering attacks against such an organization are conceivable.
 
Hmm. I would let other people arrange the DNS... if they fuq up I'll take Jayesh hockey stick and go to their office.
Or just call, that's more civilized.
And come with the hockey stick when they least expect it.
 
@JonasTeuwen Redundancy against data detoriation? Redundacy against sudden unavailability?
 
Yes yes.
I need to share my lack of understanding. I'm only human you know.
I have feelings and whatever!
 
9:58 PM
That's why I registered sharingmylackofunderstanding.nl
 

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