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On Blockheads, it is possible to create a server that others can join. Is there a limit to the amount of servers I can have?

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@Lazers2.0 Why is there an emoji in the title?

so two or more of the following are involved in some sort of edit war in Discord re: the way voice channels should be organized. Please sort it out in a way that does not involve wild buttumptions

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because wild buttumptions are not cool and I am getting tired of this shit

@badp you got ass to butt installed?

that's classic

/cc @3ventic @GnomeSlice @GodEmperorDune @StrixVaria @Yuuki

/cc @AshleyNunn @fredley @twobugs @Unionhawk @Wipqozn

if this has to turn into some sort of danganrompa dystopia I'm sure @GodEmperorDune can accomodate that

StrixVaria

I haven't messed with the Discord channels since the day whoever created it.

11:32 AM

@Nzall no.

fredley

cloud to butt best * to butt

@badp Clearly the first should be "stop changing them wipqozn", since clearly @Wipqozn is to blame

by the way, if no one comes up with their strong feelings about how voice channels should be organised I will enforce my arbitrium, then revoke our own right to manage voice channels so that only @GodEmperorDune can mess with them

it will be sad, and stupid, and sad, but also over

I say drop "stop changing them" and other than that whatever

so you want them to stay exactly as-is, as pictured

at least you came up with something in an attempt not to have the thing ruined for everyone

11:40 AM

@badp Can you be more clear what the issue is? I rename a chat when we start using it to the name of the specific game so folks know what people are currently playing there. Is that an issue?

the issue is that there is an edit war

Which, lately, has just been overwatch

some people want channels in a way

some people want channels in another way

I mean, is there a limit on the number of channels?

and they keep reverting each other's things

11:41 AM

It sounds like I should join and yell at everyone

so I want you to speak up on your ways

so that we can agree to disagree, pick one way, and be done with it

@KevinvanderVelden I was wondering that as well. I used to just make a new chat for whatever game folk were playing, but then they kept getting deleted.

and we know who is doing what so you don't just say "lol badp"

@badp "We" meaning the group as a hell? I know what I'm doing, renaming the channel we currently use so flks know what game is being played.

the only people who can manage channels are discord mods

11:42 AM

I think the per game thing is useful so you can quickly see who is playing what.

I have pinged all discord mods

@badp which is a solid half of Everyone(tm)

@Wipqozn well this is why I'm forcing the issue.

Did someone make @ardaozkal green yet I wonder

and I said mods, not bridgers

11:44 AM

@badp okay, I just don't think anyone realized this was really an issue.

@badp I'm just wondering unrelated things

Realistically they're currently fine. Technically Game Neutrality but that is also a non issue really

Personally I think renaming chat rooms to "Game Name #" when we are all there playing it, and renaming it to just "Chat #" when we're not is helpful. Especially if we split up into multiple channels (which has happened for overwatch).

And that can be done by almost everyone on the fly

Right now we're all pretty much on Overwtach, but folks have used it for rocket league as well, and once the overwtch hype dies I'm sure we'll sure more of a mixture of games there, so knowing what game is going on in each channel is handy.

11:46 AM

@Wipqozn it's clearly an issue if someone made a "stop changing them, badp" channel

@badp I don't have enouigh time to edit my message to make it look fancy, but that makes sense then, yeah.

In fact that might be a solid feature request

Allow an option to change the channel name automatically in this manner of everyone is playing the same game

@badp An issue for you, sure, but is it an issue for everyone else? I understand you're frustrated and I get why, but is it just you not liking how it's going now or the everyone?

Not to say you're wrong to bring it up, but I don't know, I don't think it's really an "edit war".

@Wipqozn what I am saying is that there is a problem regardless of the fact that I was namecalled

someone keeps changing things and someone other keeps changing things

and they left some sort of note saying "stop changing them"

@badp oh, you were being name called. I thought that was "-" not a ",". as in "Stop changing them - From badp"

11:48 AM

so this is where we sit down and agree to have one way to do things

Okay even better see why you're annoyed as you are, you were called out

2 days ago, by badp

I mean ^

While I think it funny it's not the most practical =p

I don't care who wins

I care that someone wins

Thunderdome it is then

I care that those people come out and say what they're doing and why

I'm sure they have very good reasons

StrixVaria

11:55 AM

We've had more than 6 (the max party size) on Overwatch on a few occasions, and we've had different groups playing different games on some occasions as well. Having more than 1 "in-game party chat" makes sense.

Q: In point-blank range, is Winston's melee preferable to his gun?

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Winston's LBM weapon, the "Tesla Cannon", has a greater range than melee and can hit multiple enemies at once. However, if I'm fighting just one enemy and I manage to get within melee range of them, is it better to use melee attacks, or is the cannon still preferable? I'm asking because although...

overwatch

Another option that you might want to consider is to just give up on persistent channels. You need one, you create one, and when you're done, you delete it

which means reopening everything

but I don't care about that, I care that we agree on SOMETHING

@badp Can anyone make channels, or just mods?

I'm assuming mods only

it used to be bridgers

when I saw people fighting over this I dropped it to mods only to see if that would stop the fighting

the fighting failed to stop

12:03 PM

@badp restrict it to groups that will persistently use them IMHO.

like, if you want to use it, contact the person who can make channels in advance, he'll make the channel

so only games that we assume will be sufficiently popular on May 26th, 2016?

@Nzall it's already as restricted as it can get atm

@badp We're talking about discord voice chat channels for Overwatch groups, right?

discord voice chat

ah, so in general

nothing overwatch-specific

12:05 PM

@badp Is it possible to give users the ability to edit channels, but not create them? I'd check myself but I don't believe I can access Discord in the office.

no, just "manage channels"

@badp Can you make a new user group akin to mods and general users?

Hmm, I can't seem to watch YouTube videos at work anymore...

@Nzall if we don't know who is doing what we simply risk putting the same people at the same privilege level, and the revert wars continue

so what is important is that those who have been using their discord mod powers simply say so. You have powers because you are expected to use them, there's no shame in that.

I don't care about blaming or shaming

I care about resolution

Resolution requires naming

@badp maybe kick people one by one from moderator group and see if it fixes it?

12:09 PM

@Nzall only @GodEmperorDune can do that.

if nothing else, you'll scare people into obedience

if we are going to get to that point there simply no one gets to manage channels anymore

because we cannot trust each other

and so we don't deserve this level of trust

@badp there's an option to edit/delete channels without giving people access to create channels

what would it be called

right click on the channel and assign manage channel permission to whichever roles

that way the manage channel permission is specific to the channel

12:11 PM

cool, okay. so that's on the table.

but those that have been doing the changes haven't actually spoken up yet.

so we are mostly waiting for that.

That could work. Because we could probably get by with, say, two generic channels, and then game specific channels for whatever the most hype game is.

I don't care about tighting this down so people can't fuck it up

I care that the revert wars stop

@badp well I already spoke up, but I think everyone knew I was doing this anyays, since I've mentioned it in Discord multiple times.

but if you can't think of a better solution, then fine

@Wipqozn oh I thought you meant that's how you wanted things, not that you actually changed them to be like that

because right now chat 1, chat 2, and Overwatch #1 is all we'd probably need. IF we get enough folks for OW2 someone can just pop into a generic channel, and just rename it for their play session.

12:13 PM

@badp Doesn't Discord have edit histories?

no

Well that sucks

and I assume that you also didn't create a channel called "please stop changing them badp"

You would at least think that they kept a log somewhere of who changed what

@badp yeah, I've been changing them to "Overwtch #1". And a couple times we had folks going into second channel I renamed it to OW # 2 so folks knew what games people were playing in each. tbh I just figured the process we had was "rename to game, rename to generic when done"

12:14 PM

okay, so who else is involved in this little revert war

@badp No, I'd just ask you in chat somewhere. I wouldn't do it via a channel rename.

@badp someone did

I have not edited the names of voice channels on Discord and I see no real reason to do so

this someone needs to speak up

Having game specific channels seems silly

12:14 PM

Why don't you just have a couple standard chats and 1-2 chats that get renamed to whatever their purpose is at the time?

Is there really an issue with having too many voice channels?

@badp I guess what I'm saying is that I think we already formed a process, although it's not official. We've been renaming it to the game when we hop in, and renaming it again when we hop out (or if someone sees it empty)

I logged onto Discord for the first time in like, a month

@Wipqozn I guess what I'm saying is that someone is not on board

I don't know if this is a feature on Discord yet but on Mumble you could create a channel where anyone could create subchannels and name them what they wanted but they would be automatically deleted when they were empty

That was pretty nice

12:16 PM

and you've been ruining each other's day and it would be nice if that stopped

Man, so many feature requests for the discord team

and by it would be nice if that stopped, I mean that it needs to stop

@twobugs I'd imagine a bot of some sorts could do that

I know nothing about discord bots though

@badp I take it you're not one of those people renaming channels, then, and someone is assuming you are, and calling you out?

I only have done it once, and announced it on chat and discord

12:17 PM

@Wipqozn yeah

2 days ago, by badp

@Chippies This would probably be the best solution.

To be fair, that iteration was...

Oh wow... we've just been contacted by China's #1 seller of OEM umbrellas

12:18 PM

@Unionhawk to be fair it seems like I'm the only one who said they were doing shit, and now we have the above

@badp tbh I don't pay attention to the discord text chat. I use bridge for that, not voice. Also, one room isn't enough for everyone.

feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/…

@Wipqozn read: "if you need more, well, making more rooms hasn't been a problem, has it?"

because I feel like when I am using my moderators abilities to manage a shared resource in a way that is not obviously accountable, I feel the need to inform people

12:19 PM

so subchats are currently being developed, but not yet finished

which you know is something that translates to other things than managing silly discord voice chats that come a dime a dozen

I dor ecall seeing you post that picture before, @Badp, but I wasn't the one who changed it back. The times I've been in Discord I've onyl ever seen Chat #1 - chat#3, or game specific channels

@ardaozkal yes, I read that, but only mods can do that

@Wipqozn well I know who had done that one revert, it was Gnomeslice, since he said so in chat

@Wipqozn it can be changed

but it would be wrong of me to extrapolate that he's involved in this little revert war

12:20 PM

@ardaozkal yes, but it was taken away for reasons already discussed

I feel like we're making this into a much bigger problem than it really is.

Excellent, one of the support emails I've received from a client crashes my outlook when I open it

I realized that some people seem to be frustrted with the channel renaming, but I don't think it's worth getting frustrated over.

I feel like this is precisely as big of a problem as it needs to be, also because I know a couple little somethings I'm not going to spoil

I can't even mark it with high importance. Wonderful.

@Wipqozn yeah.

12:23 PM

incidentally

feedback.discordapp.com/forums/326712-discord-dream-land/…

Q: how do you change the config for block placement in starbound?

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how do u change config........

starbound

only has 6 votes tho

Worst case scenario I set up a bot that'll rename back if the room is empty.

What the hell. Truck passed by that shaked the house a little, laptop instantly reboots.

If we want an official policy, then I think it would be two generic channels, and mods can create new game specific channels when they feel it's necessary.

Right now I think two generic channels and either one or two overwatch specific channels would be good.

12:25 PM

Ultimately this doesn't seem like a big deal, but people should stop doing whatever kind of edit war they are doing

@Arperum check the power plugs? Even though a laptop should have a battery, so even if the plug did have a loose connection, it shouldn't reboot...

TO THE META.DISCORD!

yes, @Wipqozn, but do you realize that we don't know who you're arguing with, and what they think should happen

@badp Whoever is doing this really needs to speak up and share their opinion IMO

I bet @badp made "stop changing them badp" to throw us off

12:26 PM

@twobugs yes

Just get @fredley to write a bot that does all the things you want (and posts Friday links every 5 minutes)

Granted, we don't even know if they're reading this right now

@Unionhawk no

@badp I KNEW IT - DANGIT

@Chippies it't currently docked and I never had this before, busses shake the building semi-regularly

12:26 PM

@Arperum was it a hard reset or a proper reboot though? Could've been a coincidence

did it BSOD?

the shaking could've messed with the power delivery for a short moment which could potentially cause a BSOD...

@Chippies hard reset. Just poof, screens go black and while I'm being confused it starts rebooting

Today's Google doodle is pretty neat

@Arperum you may be able to find some logs in that thingy that I forget what it's called

event logs is the thingy

@Chippies I'm kinda lazy and don't care enough I'm afraid. I'm just very confused.

Do you have a HDD or a SSD? Could have been the G-force protection sensor got triggered, I guess?

Doesn't seem like it should from a little shaking but who knows

Could have been aliens too. Or @Wipqozn

12:30 PM

Probably @Wipqozn

@Arperum is your pc a pinball machine by chance?

Huh, so people are claiming the Xbox 1.5 and the PS4.5 are going to get into some sort of ridiculous performance war

I can't see this working at all

@twobugs I'd be more concerned about the separation of Xbox 1/1.5 and PS4/4.5 users

Games will now be displayed in 8K @ 60FPS and cost five times more and everything is delayed until 2018 and you get a free month of Netflix

@Chippies Yeah, that's what I mean

12:32 PM

@TimStone SSD

Huh

It was bad enough in the 360 days where you had hardware configurations with the same specs but no harddrive

yes

But completely different specs? And you've got to support both of them?

@ardaozkal you're welcome

12:33 PM

Aaah

@badp thanks

@TimStone Exactly. I'm super confused.

Can someone ask for is laptop's manifacturer?

Q: Is it possible to link 2 different servers together?

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I am currently working on my new server and I want to link 2(or more) servers together. So I can have different gamemode on different servers. I would run 2(or more) server console at the same time so that player can join another server with executing a command. And for some reason, Multiverse an...

minecraft minecraft-server

Some Enterprise Toshiba models have an onboard gsensor that locks the hard drive (on onboard hdd and with all drivers, it doesn't affect anything, but it might cause unexpected issues on ssd). Other laptops might have it too.

12:39 PM

Basically I just think the PS4.5/Xbone1.5 thing is going to end up like the DSi/New 3DS (in terms of hardware) where it might have a few neat features but ultimately they're not really utilized well

To my knowledge, there is only 1 New 3DS exclusive game to date

@twobugs it's one thing when the games are exclusive, it's another when they work on both systems, but one system has superior performance and the other can barely get by

Yeah, that would be horrible for UX

I have not played Hyrule Warriors on a 3DS, but from what I have read and seen on youtube, it was clearly designed for n3DS and it probably should've just been an exclusive

I've only played it on n3DS, but it seems to run fine

I read that MH4U multiplayer chugs on old 3DS but I have the MH4U special edition one so HEH

HEHHHHH

@twobugs yeah, and that's the thing - apparently it is barely playable (or unplayable, depending on your standards of "playable") on 3DS

12:42 PM

I suffered through MGS3D edition, I'm sure I could take HW on an old 3DS

If you ever want to see 'unplayable' check out the MGS3D demo

Runs at about 5 fps

The final game, to their credit, runs at least twice as well!

@twobugs oh, I was about to say, I'm watching a video of it and it seems to run fine, but it's the final version

I'm listening to my coworker bitch that it's loud and drunk people are outside his apartment thurs-sat nights in his downtown apartment which is next to our sports stadium and all our clubs and bars.

Hyrule Warriors New 3DS/3DS/Wii U Frame-Rate Test

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I'm keeping my piece, but if you don't want to deal with drunk people in the middle of the night, don't live in a downtown apartment right next to all those places.

it hardly ever seems to go over 20 fps on the old 3ds

12:45 PM

and it's not like "it's annoying" but "these people are horrible human beings".

the n3ds actually seems to run better than the WiiU version, lol

(of course I know the graphical fidelity is far higher in the WiiU version)

@Wipqozn Why would you live there? He could be closer to the office and pay less in rent if he lived, say, in Fairview.

@MBraedley I honestly don't know. I think this guy just likes to stress himself out.

Or off Mumford (although those apartments aren't all that great).

I think the n3ds version has better stability

12:47 PM

He says he has anxiety, and I believe him, but he seems to do everything to just make his problems worse. It's so frusrating.

But they had to cut some serious corners with enemy drawing and whatnot

@twobugs it seems to hold 30 fps pretty consistently like 95% of the time

@MBraedley his apartment is old and terrible and filled with asbestos

unlike the 3ds and WiiU versions

It's a pretty fair tradeoff because hey - this is a warriors game, if people weren't appearing from nowhere and looking stupid I might think I was playing something different

But the enemy models are very low quality

I almost never had significant slowdown in the Wii U version

I did not play co-op

12:48 PM

@twobugs eh, probably looks fine on the tiny screen

They're noticeably lower quality

I've played the 3ds version significantly

@twobugs I don't think I had any significant slowdowns in single player either (I could see it drop below 30 fps, but nothing major), but it did drop below 20 fps a lot in co-op

and the enemy count was significantly reduced as well

and not just the count but spawn time as well

Co-op is always going to have issues though, it's a miracle it works as well as it does

Warriors games are very processing intensive and you can have two separate eyepoints at completely different map areas

I'm just spoiled by the PC masterrace, where if a game has slowdowns, I can most of the time blame myself for not having a more powerful PC

whereas with the WiiU you're just stuck with the crap performance forever

nothing that can be done about it on your end

It's actually great performance, though :P

Well. Relatively great performance.

12:52 PM

@twobugs eh, I mean, it's good for the hardware and what's happening, but I just have higher expectations :P

Warriors games are... not known for their performance.

it's always fun to upgrade/build a new PC and revisit older games that you couldn't run well previously

@Chippies this.

1:12 PM

0> "inf" + 1
$res[0] = 'inf'

1> "inf"/"inf"
$res[1] = '-nan'

2> "-nan" > 3
$res[2] = ''

negative nan

I never thought I would see this day

At least it's not negative naan

Negative bread does seem like an inappropriate amount of bread yes

There's a lot of NaNs, they can actually give a lot of information

3> "-inf"/"inf"
$res[3] = 'NaN'

1:14 PM

$res[3] = 'WaT'

(ftfy)

so at least that much is consistent

What language is it anyway? Perl?

well yes

Cool, NASA is streaming them inflating the BEAM module

day like 21: the desktop of the previous intern before me has yet to be picked up

1:17 PM

It stays there as a warning to other interns

I don't know what the warning is supposed to mean though

@KevinvanderVelden "We will leave your shit on display for forever, be aware of that"

Q: How would I explore maps in Overwatch?

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I'm playing Overwatch and I want to gain a better knowledge of the maps. I would like to explore the maps outside of a match, but can't find a game mode/tutorial, etc. that allows me to be in the map alone. Can anyone offer any advice? Some youtubers have map tutorials where they freely fly aro...

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@twobugs Apparently they had to stop because it wasn't inflating as expected?

@TimStone Yeah, I can't really check at work but it seems NASA stopped and has a press release slated for 10 EST on it