The Bridge

Rapitor

8:00 PM

so. bout them vidya games

badp

Well yes, fundamentalists gonna be foundamentalists

Yuuki

(walks in)

(walks out)

user15026

@badp Okay, I am not sure what you are questioning/not believing then

user15026

Because you seem surprised that the sexual divide is a thing, you seem to have labelled it as a "america" thing, and I am saying "totes not just an america thing"

user15026

america is just really good at being loud about the things

badp

8:01 PM

It's something of a concentration matter

user15026

@badp What concentration of what?

badp

like, every single time I hear about catholics and the such in America, it's something outrageously and deeply wrong

MadMAxJr

All I know is that maybe I want to see Sierra come back and do another Leisure Suit Larry game.

user15026

@badp Yes, because they're the loudest

badp

and I probably don't hear about catholics and the such from other places.

Arperum

8:02 PM

@Yuuki Did you decide on that Blind Guardian show yet?

user15026

and people are always gonna be loudest about the shitty things

Rapitor

@MadMAxJr they are doing a new king's quest. thats a start

user15026

confirmation bias, etc etc etc

user15026

@MadMAxJr That reminds me, I was playing those on Internet Archive

badp

At any rate I am surprised and horrified for what something I feel remotely connected with did to poor spugsley.

Arperum

8:03 PM

I saw Grave Digger last weekend and the singers voice is just broken beyond repair, the music is good, but his voice sounds so extremely broken live :(

user15026

Like i am not saying America is not full of Things that are Scary, but America is not the only place the Things that are Scary are Scary Things

badp

@AshleyNunn I dunno, probably I hold the US to better standards than ISIS :)

user15026

@badp I am really not sure how you are relating those two things.

badp

I'm just saying

user15026

@Arperum I kinda always wonder how metal scream-y stuff singers are able to sustain it long term.

user15026

8:05 PM

@badp I am not sure I understand.

badp

basically all people who showed me that gender isn't binary, love isn't binary, etc., they all come from the same place where those assholes also come from

People here could probably reject both in equal measure.

Yuuki

@Arperum So that's a "don't buy tickets if you haven't yet"?

MadMAxJr

I like Grave Digger better when he was a monster truck.

Mad Scientist

@AshleyNunn There are huge differences among christians in this regard, we mostly have the harmless ones here.

user15026

@badp Well, I'm Canadian (we're not perfect though either)

Arperum

8:06 PM

@AshleyNunn Grave digger is normally not screamy, it's a pretty raw voice and it killed his voice :( The screams/grunts require significant training to do without murdering your voice forever.

user15026

@MadScientist Truefacts :)

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn About the Mantis Shrimp?

badp

I mean, yes, North America is a pretty big place with lots of people.

Almo

speaking of trashed voice i'll be seeing u2 next week

Arperum

@Yuuki It isn't, Blind Guardian is still awesome, but Grave Digger is probably 20 years late to see them on their best.

badp

8:07 PM

I'm probably naive in thinking that those people probably share some common cultural beliefs

user15026

@badp Yeaaaah, that's not something I'd do

user15026

That's like saying "All of Europe does the thing"

Arperum

I don't know how much the tickets go, and I am far from subjective when it comes to Blind Guardian. See for example the part where I spent ~240€ on tickets/merch this tour, not including fuel costs of driving to the shows.

badp

@AshleyNunn Well, yes, I do feel that some things happen in most of Europe and not in most of North America.

Arperum

@Almo My voice is back to normal after last weekend, and the next festival is still 9 days away.

user15026

8:09 PM

@badp When it comes to standardizing belief sets, it's a really, really bad idea to do the thing for any sort of giant group.

badp

I have the perception that the 18-yo milestone where you move out of your parents' even if you can't afford it is a very NA thing.

user15026

Especially so on like a continent level

Almo

@Arperum :D

badp

Also very NA is the sentence "this isn't a place of haves and haves-not, this is a place of haves and soon-to-haves"

user15026

Alright, I am going to back to watching D&D YouTubery because I don't know how else to say "please don't make assumptions like this, it is a very bad idea"

badp

8:10 PM

wilco

or rather, will try

enjoy ~

MadMAxJr

@AshleyNunn ... Not sure if you're talking about religious beliefs or my IT department belief system.

Almo

haha

user15026

@MadMAxJr I think the sentiment still holds, no? :P

MadMAxJr

I should keep my head down before the Microsoft consultant in his dark robes and his chanters come this way again.

He talks about how the Active Directory migration is upon us and how the new Active Directory will benefit us all.

Unionhawk

@badp tryco

badp

8:17 PM

@MadMAxJr at least he's not selling you 10 more years of 3270 terminals

FUN FACT: the simplest program in COBOL does not exist. Everything is complicated and barely working and legacy and best left untouched

Unionhawk

So you can't do HELLO WORLD in COBOL?

MadMAxJr

I do not miss doing COBOL.

Almo

you did real cobol programming?

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Which platforms can the most Final Fantasy games be found?

I'm interested in (re)playing as many of the Final Fantasy games as I possibly can, but I'm limited in the number of various platforms I have access to (what I have access to isn't important - I don't mind picking up a new console or something, but I don't want to have to buy 5 different consoles...

final-fantasy-series

badp

@Almo I'm watching people do "real" COBOL programming

Almo

8:22 PM

hehehe

Powerlord

I've never done COBOL.

Worst language I've ever used was BASIC... sorry, was that target too easy?

I've also done terrible Perl.

And by terrible I mean as in "the person who taught me didn't mention there was a keyword to make local variables" terrible.

badp

There is a very complicated task before our trio of competent COBOL programmers: join up to three strings of 74 characters together.

It appears to be the hardest task in the world.

Powerlord

@badp ...really?

badp

They're almost incredulous that anybody could ever have any use than strings longer than 80 characters

like, how are you going to show or print them!?

Powerlord

eyes modern URLs

badp

8:33 PM

@Powerlord Well COBOL does have an unique disadvantage here: you cannot natively represent strings with trailing spaces

murgatroid99

@badp what does the length of the strings have anything to do with how you concatenate them?

badp

@murgatroid99 it's more of a "why would you want to do this anyway this is stupid" retort

Almo

@badp what? no trailing spaces?

badp

@Almo yeah. A C string ends when you hit the first null byte. A Pascal string is delimited by a byte counter. A COBOL string is always padded to the compile-time declared size with spaces.

So it "ends" with the last space

Almo

ouch

badp

8:37 PM

The COBOL string concatenation function has a required size/delimiter argument.

murgatroid99

@badp Wouldn't it just be simpler to pad it with '\0' bytes?

badp

@murgatroid99 Probably an EBCDIC thing.

Almo

COBOL was the first compiled language... give her a break man

murgatroid99

@badp 0 is still NUL, even in EBCDIC

badp

We do see null bytes, but they only come from DB queries

or the such.

I hear DB2 does not have the best reputation

That said, the terminal emulators treat space or null exactly the same way

it's just all memcpy

from what little I've seen, everything in COBOL is a glorified memcpy

Almo

8:40 PM

wouldn't surprise me given the age of the language

badp

that said what program at the end of the day doesn't boil down to mov's.

It's just more clearly visible there.

murgatroid99

@badp It's a little more complicated than that. There's also jmp. And arithmetic operators

Almo

:D

Powerlord

@badp Do they at least have a way of telling how many used characters there are?

badp

@Powerlord no

an empty string and a string full of spaces are the exact same thing

Powerlord

8:42 PM

Well, I hope they at least realized that they can iterate the string backwards to find the last non-space character

badp

it's basically null

Powerlord

(assuming strings in COBOL are arrays like they are in C.)

badp

@Powerlord Probably? The bulk of the code I've seen so far is so far removed from actually doing anything. (They're "formatters", or a façade in Java terms.)

Powerlord

Also, why do I have the DuckTales song stuck in my head?

Also, I'm not playing Link to the Past quickly enough. I'm barely ahead of the GameGrumps episodes.

murgatroid99

I'm pretty sure you can actually compile any possible C program into mov, jmp (plus conditional variants), call, ret, and arithmetic instructions

badp

8:47 PM

@Powerlord oh wait. You're actually talking about the stuff WE need done? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

I don't even know if they know about the STRING command. They're probably just gonna do it with glorified memcpy's.

Powerlord

So, seeing as how the FCC Net Neutrality rules are expected to go into effect on Friday, the Republican-controlled congress is trying to defund it.

Almo

keeps comments to himself

that wheeler guy is doing good things

really hope we don't get some repub pres in 2016, or he'll get removed for sure

Yuuki

@Almo It's funny considering how many people were expecting him to be a cable company shill when he was appointed.

Chippies

@Yuuki he kinda was, at first

Almo

hehehe

Powerlord

8:58 PM

@Yuuki Well, he used to be a cable lobbyist before being appointed.

Yuuki

@Powerlord Not just a lobbyist but the head of the cable company lobby.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Bloodborne New Game Plus difficulty jumps

I am wondering if anybody has figured out the difficulty jumps in the New Game+. Is there a certain amount of restarts/"pluses" where difficulty stops increasing? Also, If it is known, just how much do the enemy stats grow with each NG+? I feel like on NG+ (first NG+) enemies were dealing doub...

bloodborne

Powerlord

@Yuuki ...and the only person to ever be in both the Cable Television Hall of Fame and Wireless Hall of Fame.

Anyway, I'm glad that .bat file is out of my project now. Well, the bat file (and pom file that calls it) are still there, just not called from the code anywhere.

I'll probably svn delete them when our svn server is back.

Although now they've told us it'll be another week until they wipe it, so we may just use it until Tuesday morning and have Al make a new backup of it Tuesday afternoon

Hmm, I don't know how many retries GMail lets me do before it locks me out.

I can't remember which password I use for GMail. :O

(I think I know what the password is, but not which characters are shifted)

Yuuki

9:14 PM

Almo

hunter2

spugsley

@StrixVaria <3 Try not to worry about the timeframe. The fact that you're doing it is freaking amazing

and you've come so far

HI GUYS

HELLO

HI WHAT'S UP

hello famous person

9:21 PM

@spugsley Yo.

spugsley

HI HI HELLO HI HI HEY HI HELLO

Yuuki

@Rapitor I'm just imagining @spugsley walking around with a swagger and all, "Shut up, baby, I know it."

spugsley

@Rapitor yuuuup. Third time this thing has made the rounds. Ready for it to die, I think. Unless it's still helping people. But if it isn't, deathhhhh

@Yuuki I have so much swagger

Powerlord

OK, I was actually using a weaker password than I thought for GMail.

I'll have to fix this when I'm not at work

Yuuki

@spugsley What do you think about this?

> The adventures of Old Man Logan and Senior Citizen Steve as they battle arthritis, medication, and youngsters on their lawn.

GnomeSlice

9:23 PM

Swiggity sweg

spugsley

@Yuuki omg

Yuuki

> All-New All-Different Grumpy Old Men

Ktash

@spugsley Accepted as truth

Yuuki

Note to everyone, do not go to Reddit for the next week or so.

Or at least not /r/all.

murgatroid99

@Yuuki why?

Yuuki

9:36 PM

@murgatroid99 You're not going to find anything interesting to read except for tons of /r/fatpeoplehate2 posts.

murgatroid99

oh, I see. That will probably die down in a day or two

Yuuki

Everything is being drowned out by those.

murgatroid99

Honestly, it was a pretty stupid move. I'm not surprised at all by this reaction

Yuuki

Is the grappling gun something new that Rockstar added or is a new mod?

@murgatroid99 If they were going to remove subreddits, they needed to remove more than just five.

Rapitor

@Yuuki that looks like a mod. if rockstar added it the gun would probably have it's own model

murgatroid99

9:39 PM

@Yuuki Right, and removing those when there are worse sends the wrong message

Yuuki

With that small number, it seems like they just wanted to shut down /r/fatpeoplehate in particular (which I agree that they should have) and looked around lazily for a few others so they could say it was a new policy.

murgatroid99

It solidifies the common view that the reddit admins don't actually care at all about rules, they just shut down what they don't like, and ignore what they agree with

Yuuki

Which may or may not be what happened, but the key is that that's what it looks like.

MadMAxJr

"Come back when Coke is okay with putting ads on you."

... I should keep quiet, our IT department could hear that and get ideas for funding.

user15026

@Yuuki And thus, we come back to my statement about how doing the thing needs to be done with a giant flamethrower and then very strict controls about creation, or just not done at all and people just accepting there will be shitty people on the internet. (I am not saying that is a good or a right or a anything thing, I am just saying that this is a highly uncontrollable thing as a internet space)

murgatroid99

9:44 PM

@Yuuki You know, the current /r/all frontpage is basically the Streisand Effect in its purest form. There are now 2 subreddits to replace FPH, and they each have more subscribers than FPH had when it was banned

Yuuki

Taking group photos is hard.

user15026

@murgatroid99 Pretty much

MadMAxJr

So if we start /r/PreOrderHate and rabble-rabble about how Preordering is a bad thing, we'll get banned, then streisand the issues related to pre-ordering games and how it affects the game market?

murgatroid99

@AshleyNunn I've said this before: it is impossible in principle to control subreddit creation. There is nothing at creation time that needs to have any relation to the actual topic of the subreddit

Yuuki

Something of this stuff coming up in Splatoon is pretty hilarious.

> I failed all my exams but at least I have Splatoon.

user15026

9:47 PM

@murgatroid99 Yeah, exactly.

murgatroid99

I think the real problem is not that they banned this particular subreddit, but that they're so inconsistent in how they enforce rules like this

Yuuki

Oh and Halo 5 won't have local splitscreen.

MadMAxJr

@Yuuki I've seen some 'oww' moments. "My team is just like my dad. They're never there for me."

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Is there a glitch in Technobabylon with Giel van der Waal's hand?

Spoiler warning for Technobabylon chapter 3. Requesting if at all possible that answers and comments are as spoiler-free as possible for anywhere beyond the situation described. So I've reached chapter 3 in the new Wadjet Eye adventure Technobabylon, the scene in the apartment of Giel van der Wa...

technobabylon

Mad Scientist

@murgatroid99 They're not really inconsistent, they're pretty consistent in allowing almost everything unless it's becoming a PR nightmare.

murgatroid99

9:58 PM

@MadScientist Then I guess it's more inconsistent between why they say they're doing something and why they actually do it. They said they were banning FPH for "harassing", which implies that they should ban other subreddits for that too

Mad Scientist

Harassing is a really narrow term, there's plenty of ugly stuff you can do that doesn't fit into that category

Yuuki

They weren't really clear about whether "harassing" and "brigading" are related or not.

I think that was a sticking point.

Mad Scientist

brigading is really a poorly defined thing, and banning people/subs for it is pretty problematic.

murgatroid99

@MadScientist The rule is that it's bad and gets you banned, unless you're /r/bestof

two bugs

@Yuuki The whole Miiverse has stuff like this and it's amazing

Yuuki

10:04 PM

:(

Chris Avellone left Obsidian.

MadMAxJr

Maybe ineXile will nab him.

Er, whatever the name of the guys are behind Wasteland 2 / Bards Tale 4

Yuuki

And MGS V has microtransactions.

MadMAxJr

Oh no. We've gone from Nanomachines to Rules of Nature to Microtransactions. D:

Maybe. NANOTRANSACTIONS.

Yuuki

WAR HAS CHANGED.

WAR IS NO LONGER FOUGHT ON THE BATTLEFIELD, BUT IN THE POCKET OF THE AVERAGE GAMER.

Lazers 2.0

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Q: In S.T.A.L.K.E.R. COP, non-player characters don't attack zombies, is this a known bug?

I'm running the latest (Steam) version of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Call of Pripyat on Windows 7 (32 bit). I've succesfully verified my local files in my Steam Library. If I remember correctly, on my last playthrough I didn't get this error. I'm on the Jupiter map.

technical-issues

Rapitor

10:07 PM

@Yuuki This sounds... untrue. One of Halos main things was 4 player split. I can understand downgrading to 2 player split. but not having any split is pretty unpossible.

MadMAxJr

"As a part of the improved gameplay mechanics, the player has to pay a small fee for Snake's ongoing medical care."

Yuuki

@Rapitor There will be online co-op, but not splitscreen.

> However, Halo 5, unlike previous series entries, won't support split-screen co-op.

MadMAxJr

So stop sharing consoles and make your friends buy their own along with a copy of Halo 5. :(

murgatroid99

@Yuuki That doesn't mean that it won't have splitscreen multiplayer

two bugs

@Yuuki That's really unfortunate, but I can't say I'm surprised. Local split-screen co-op in AAA games has been dying for a while

Rapitor

10:12 PM

ok I get it. no split screen campaign, but there is still split screen

that's fine

two bugs

Oh, if it's still gonna have local multiplayer just not campaign that's different, but still kind of annoying

Rapitor

eh. i was never really big on co op campaigns anyway. those have always been solo-only in my eyes

Yuuki

It's Master Chief v. The Universe, like God intended.

Ktash

My guess is it probably won't have couch multiplayer either. But that is mostly a hunch at this point

two bugs

@Yuuki I just want to play as the Arbiter again because he is really cool

Yuuki

10:21 PM

@twobugs And his OP natural invisibility.

Although that was Halo 2 only.

Chippies

@Rapitor don't care about Halo, but co-op campaigns are often a huge plus for me

Lazers 2.0

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Q: Is there a way to bind TAB to an action?

I have been using TAB for walking backward in FPS games since the mid-90's. I have never come across a game that will not let me bind to TAB except for Bioshock Infinite and Ziggurat. Is there a way to bind a command to that key?

ziggurat

badp

EPIC MOMENTS IN GAMING

GodEmperorDune

@badp why is it so pink?

badp

@GodEmperorDune windows93.net

fredley

10:42 PM

@badp SOLITUDE

@badp Select Yeah from menu

Rapitor

@twobugs arbiter is apparently in 5... if the master collection's cutscenes are any proof anyway

two bugs

@Rapitor Yeah, I liked those parts. I just think he's a really cool and compelling character.

murgatroid99

@badp I got to 19 nested instances of "Virtual PC"

Rapitor

@twobugs I love the covenant in general, I always played as them in 2 and 3 multi. and used covenant weapons in 4.

fredley

Meanwhile, in England

Lazers 2.0

10:58 PM

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Q: Two short pulses generated when input goes high

I made a mob grinder that is based on dark room, dispensers with water buckets and a fall damage: What I need now is to generate two short pulses when monster hits the tripwire to quickly spawn and remove water and push them down

minecraft

Yuuki

This looks interesting.

Lazers 2.0

11:27 PM

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Q: Is there any way to capture this specific city?

This city is surrounded by districts on 3 sides, water on 2 and a temple on the last. Autopathing on an attack loads my army into a boat that just sits off the coast because they can't land. Is there anyway at all to capture this city?

endless-legend

0

Q: MAME command line configuration

Do you know know how to configure MAME command line for Windows ? I'm setting up a Windows XP box to use on an Arcade project. I've always used MAMEUI for playing mame roms, it's a great emulator with plenty of settings that you can manage through a user interface. Well now I'm trying to ach...

emulation mame windows-xp

Chippies

finally got the cat to drink from the bowl, instead of toilet

I think me flushing the toilet while he was staring into it made him stay away from the toilet

To settle the endless question once and for all:

hm

srs, they deleted the image right as I posted it

user15026

11:45 PM

Oh dear, Reddit.

user15026

.One commenter pointed out another potentially offensive subreddit that wasn't banned and Pao responded, “We're banning behavior, not ideas. While we don't agree with the content of the subreddit, we don't have reports of it harassing individuals.” Ohanian also denied that this new move was about making reddit more palatable for advertisers, writing “Steve and I did not create reddit to be a platform for communities to target + harass individuals. It's really that simple.”

Yuuki

:22127803 And so the question shall remain unsettled.

Chippies

@Yuuki noooooooo~!

cache win

Yuuki

I will never understand the "Batman wins" side of the Batman v. Superman argument.

Memor-X

@AshleyNunn whats the offensive subredit? racism? nazis? trolls?

user15026

11:47 PM

@Memor-X They banned 5 - the only one that got actively named was fatpeoplehate

Chippies

@Yuuki everyone, including Superman, has weaknesses. Batman is so smart and whatnot, he will exploit those weaknesses

Yuuki

@Chippies Everyone, including Batman, has weaknesses. Batman's chief weakness being that he is a fragile human meatsack.

Chippies

@Yuuki did I forget to mention confirmation bias? Yeah, that's probably the main reason why "Batman would win against Superman"

because Batman is just so much cooler and more relatable

Yuuki

Even with every advantage at his disposal (Superman unwilling to fight, Kryptonite, giant mech suit, Superman having just tanked a nuke to the face), Superman still would have canonically beaten Batman in the comic everyone references.

Superman just stops fighting because he detects that Batman is about to have a heart attack.

Chippies

@Yuuki well, I don't know that much about Superman (or Batman), but I have seen Superman pretty much turning into a dying human in the presence of kryptonite

I used to watch that silly TV show about Superman

Yuuki

11:50 PM

@Chippies The comic that most people reference about Batman beating Superman is The Dark Knight Returns.

And I guess he technically "won", in that Superman decided maybe beating the s--- out of his former friend who's about to have a heart attack was probably not a Nice Thing (tm).

Chippies

Yet another GTA trick jump

Yuuki

This War Of Mine on sale for 50% off, now $9.99 USD.

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