The Bridge

Powerlord

8:00 PM

I suppose when I say brb, it helps if I come back.

badp

@Powerlord That's a common misconception.

Powerlord

Also, the EEE earlier was Embrace, Extend, Extinguish.

FEichinger

This is also gonna be fun times.

Powerlord

Also, fun fact: SourceMod's mysql module only compiles against MySQL 5.0.24a for Windows and won't compile against anything newer.

I found this out while trying to see how hard it was to write a PostgreSQL driver.

SaintWacko

@WorldEngineer They already have emomancy

@FEichinger That's just going to be depressing to see how much money people have still given them

Ben Brocka

8:06 PM

@SaintWacko it still has to compare with projections; I wonder if SimCity sold to projections

FEichinger

SimCity is Fiscal Q4 2013, as far as I remember, so ... that's definitely gonna be fun times.

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger I suspect either they're safe or they were waiting to announce the closure with this current batch. These things tend to happen in batches

badp

In other news, do we really have to wait for one more month to have the official news that XBox 360 +1 is going to be online only?

FEichinger

@BenBrocka The thing is, they openly said they won't give Dead Space - and by extension Visceral - the axe, because people got upset that that's exactly what they said they'd do. Sooo, they're in limbo there. They probably want to kill it, but the backlash would be objectively bad.

@badp Probably. I doubt anyone official is gonna run their mouth before.

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger if it's only through march it might not reflect the fallout. I'm sure launch day was just fine but I bet sales of simcity dropped off much more sharply than they'd want

OrigamiRobot

8:10 PM

Why are we talking about games? GET BACK ON TOPIC!

2

FEichinger

Also: Correction. SimCity was Fiscal Q1 2014 for EA.

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger I'm not sure how serious they could have been to say it really needed 5 million sales to be viable, even with how stupid they are

FEichinger

They actually do use the standard calendar year ... which I honestly didn't think they did.

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger boo hiss

Wonder how much the layoffs will affect their stock

FEichinger

@BenBrocka Probably not all that much. :/

@BenBrocka I think they were pretty darn serious. But not 5 million sales to break even. 5 million sales to consider another one.

That was basically EA saying "We want to kill it anyway. So, either you guys pay, or we'll just do it."

Ben Brocka

8:16 PM

I really don't see why though. Dead Space still sold well and their "MOBILE EVERYTHING YEAH" strategy seems to be slowly burning

FEichinger

@BenBrocka The thing is, I can't see anywhere for them to go from here.

Maxis' reputation is ruined.

BioWare is a husk.

PopCap is nearly dead.

Blem

westwood is gone

FEichinger

Visceral is "possibly getting the axe".

DICE is churning out the same thing over and over again.

OrigamiRobot

My pizza's dead.

FEichinger

@OrigamiRobot As is mine!

Ben Brocka

8:19 PM

Didn't they just make a new engine for Bioware's games?

OrigamiRobot

My milkshake's dead.

Ben Brocka

> Damn, maybe those who were laid off can get a job at Zynga.

Harsh

OrigamiRobot

My burger's dead.

Powerlord

whacks PostgreSQL

Seriously, why does EVERY functions in libpq return a PGResult?

badp

@Powerlord That's not how it works, you won't upgrade it that way

OrigamiRobot

8:20 PM

All of our favorite foods are totally dead.

Ben Brocka

Sounds like CISPA got shelved

Brian

good

badp

@OrigamiRobot Eat a live cow then.

Powerlord

@badp I'm trying to program against it.

Literally, rather than returning an object representing a prepared statement, you created a prepared statement by name, then execute it later by passing back the same name

FEichinger

@BenBrocka But what BioWare games are there now? A new Mass Effect could either sell hilariously well, or run the studio straight into the ground. And deeply so.

OrigamiRobot

8:21 PM

They can not procreate in little food beds.

Powerlord

sigh I'm going to have to create my own return types because it's too stupid to have its own.

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger I dunno, I never followed BioWare that well

OrigamiRobot

We'll eat them up, and turn them into stuff.

Ben Brocka

At this point about all I care about out of them is Dead Space and PvZ. Maybe if they make a new Mirror's Edge that isn't a mobile game...

FEichinger

@BenBrocka Dragon Age is also a thing that's ... not really moving all that much anymore.

OrigamiRobot

8:23 PM

@FEichinger Dragon Age 2 was not very good.

FEichinger

Dragon Age 3: Inquisition is coming. But we have yet to hear anything, as far as I know.

Which is pretty bad, given that it's supposed to be released this year.

@OrigamiRobot Well, I'm not gonna get into that, because that's taste, but Dragon Age just doesn't feel like a big hitter for BioWare anymore.

Ben Brocka

Also they mentioned a lot about a "console transition"; they wouldn't be shaken up by a console transition if they're only doing mobile stuff

They must be doing something

OrigamiRobot

@FEichinger Dragon Age: Origins was fun, 2 was less fun.

Fluttershy

@FEichinger E3 is less than a month away, neh?

FEichinger

@Fluttershy Second week of June, I believe.

Brian

8:26 PM

no, its in june

Ben Brocka

:(

FEichinger

I think, the EA mass grave picture needs a revamp soon.

They've been axing stuff left and right since that thing was created.

Ben Brocka

They, they brought back Maxis since that pic! ...Not to good effect, but...

FEichinger

They brought back Maxis ... To kill it off again.

Fluttershy

Oh hey. E3 is on my birthday! =3

Brian

8:29 PM

June 11-13? I wish my birthday was 3 days long :P

Sorry, new to chat.

FEichinger

@BenBrocka What the new picture needs is a shooting gallery with new-Maxis commenting on old-Maxis in the dump, BioWare thinking it still totally belongs to PapEA and PopCap throwing cabbage at the corpses.

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger They'll prop up the corpse for a while, they've got to keep someone around to keep the lights on while they add in all the ~~ads~~ DLC for SimCity

FEichinger

@BenBrocka Free DLC, mind you. They are so generous, aren't they?!

Ooooh, one thing I forgot about ... That new Command & Conquer thingy ... which also seems to lack traction.

kalina

@FEichinger this

user43095

8:48 PM

Burninate request:

user43095

gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/15018/…

badp

@jeffreylin_ Sorry, couldn't help

user43095

@badp Couldn't help what

SaintWacko

@jeffreylin_ Why?

user43095

@SaintWacko Because it's stupid.

SaintWacko

8:51 PM

@jeffreylin_ Then downvote it

user43095

@SaintWacko and not an answer

SaintWacko

@FEichinger Don't speak of that.

@jeffreylin_ Oh, that was pointed to an answer? Must already be gone, then

user43095

@SaintWacko ...

FEichinger

@SaintWacko I know no restraint. Or fear. Or anything that would stop me from speaking of it.

SaintWacko

@jeffreylin_ ...I think I'm missing something

user43095

8:53 PM

@SaintWacko nevermind

Fluttershy

@SaintWacko When you clicked it, it took you straight to the question, right? But you never saw an answer?

user43095

@Fluttershy Most likely insufficient reps

SaintWacko

@Fluttershy I saw three answers, but none that "not an answer" would apply to

@jeffreylin_ If you could see it, I should be able to...

user43095

@SaintWacko I saw it before it was deleted.

SaintWacko

@jeffreylin_ Okay, that's what I figured

kalina

9:06 PM

nn

SaintWacko

@kalina Good night!

Sweet dreams

kalina

I don't dream, I set things on fire

SaintWacko

@kalina Do you dream of setting things on fire?

Ben Brocka

No, only robotic sheep

> IF YOU FIND HEROBRIN RUN FOR YOUR LIFE HE WILL KILL YOU IN ONE HIT NOT JOKING

Herobrin

Yawus

@BenBrocka That's the first thing I saw. Second thing I noticed was the missing comma.

SaintWacko

9:12 PM

@Yawus Don't forget the missing period

Yawus

"IF YOU FIND HEROBRINE, RUN FOR YOUR LIFE. HE WILL KILL YOU IN ONE HIT, NOT JOKING."

Fixed.

►

Still funny.

Ben Brocka

Eef u fiend Herobrin, rune 4 you're lufe, hi woll keil u in 1 heet knot joaking

badp

No need to make it worse than it already is

> you should bring a DIMOND SORD a DIMOND PICAX a STRANGTH FIRE PRUF AND A NIGHT VISHIN POSHIN DIMOND ARMER AND A ENCHANTED BOW FLAM 1 OR 2 OR 3 DONT FORGET COBBEL STON TO PROTECT YORE PORTAL

Yawus

I don't bring any of those when I head to the Nether.

Except for maybe the cobblestone.

Ben Brocka

Yawus

9:24 PM

And "portul".

Ben Brocka

who would do this to text

Text never did anything to you to deserve this

Yawus

Actually, "pourtul" would work better.

Ben Brocka

aw you don't get the full jpeg artifact effect when it's shrunk

Yawus

The only reason the Internet knows how to spell "portal" is because of the Valve game.

Ben Brocka

Actually the internet used to have tons of sites calling themselves "portals" back in the days of the flash intro and no CSS

Not really sure why the term caught on but portal used to be your landing page/"this is a bunch of links" page. It never really made sense though

user15026

9:26 PM

@badp efficacy of what technique?

Ben Brocka

But hey it sounded cool

StrixVaria

@Yawus Honestly, the schwa sound can be any vowel or combination of vowels. Portil, Portel, Portal, Portol, and Portul would all be pronounced the same.

Yawus

I just figured that people already know the word "pour", so they would just add "-ul" since it'd be the second appearance of 'u' rather than the first appearance of 'a', 'e', or 'i'.

StrixVaria

English is just a lazy language.

SaintWacko

@BenBrocka Skype is annoyingly difficult to close

Powerlord

9:35 PM

Arg, SourceMod's IDatabase interface is so heavily built around MySQL it's not funny.

Seriously, there's a command DoQueryEx that sends the query plus a size argument for the query... because mysql_real_query requires you pass the size argument.

Yawus

@SaintWacko Right-click the icon in the Taskbar and click "Quit Skype".

Powerlord

(which no other DB I know of requires...)

SaintWacko

@Yawus Yeah. Although I don't actually use Skype anymore :P

badp

@AshleyNunn what message are you replying to? :)

Coronus

3 hours ago, by badp

(I now just need to ping @AshleyNunn so she is aware of the efficacy of this technique.)

Maybe?

badp

9:38 PM

@AshleyNunn yes, now look a few messages up from that

Ben Brocka

@SaintWacko It's pretty much by design, much like Steam and...pretty much all IM clients ever

SaintWacko

@BenBrocka If I recall correctly from the last time I used it, even file->quit doesn't actually close it

Ben Brocka

user15026

@badp I dont know what technique you refer to

Yawus

10:08 PM

cricket cricket

user15026

@Yawus feeds the crickets to her frogs

FEichinger

@BenBrocka It made very much sense.

Yawus

10:23 PM

Hoo boy, Dead Week coming up next week...

Time to study, study, study.

><

Ben Brocka

10:34 PM

@AshleyNunn

Powerlord

Hmm, Defense Grid is on sale.

I already own the game, but the GLaDOS DLC is also on sale. \o/

(DLC is $1.24, the game and both its DLCs and 4 map packs are $4.99)

fredley

Holy Crap

So in 2003, the BBC went to North Korea and were allowed to film a 2 hour documentary, seemingly no holds barred

Incredible

(it was just on)

user15026

@BenBrocka I approve of this

Grumpy Lazers

0

Q: what is SPD used for in Trinity Universe

i get all the other stats but from my experience in RPGs, SPD normally determins how quickly a character can act, in Turn-Based battle systems this normally means how quikcly they can get their turn in however in Trinity Universe the Battle System works by have each character act in they order t...

trinity-universe

SaintWacko

Finally home

user15026

10:52 PM

@SaintWacko Yay!

Coronus

@SaintWacko Totally jealous.

badp

It's at times like this that I'm happy I never had to deal with the stock Android browser

SaintWacko

@badp Chrome ftw!

fredley

@badp Nice

Raven Dreamer

@Fluttershy pokkkke

Fluttershy

11:05 PM

@RavenDreamer ?

Raven Dreamer

@Fluttershy What time are you and @FAE good for Super Adventure Boxing? And Jochem too, I guess?

I'll be free from about 1:00 EST.

Fluttershy

@RavenDreamer I'm not sure. I'll have to get back to you on that. She just went to bed, so I can't ask her right now.

Raven Dreamer

@Fluttershy Already? Well, good for her for improving her sleep schedule.

Of course, I may be confused since it is still hella bright out, and my body does not realize it is, in fact 7:00.

user15026

.....my friends need to stop assuming that because I know some programmers that that means I then know a lot about actual programming

user20683

@AshleyNunn there's a way to remedy that Ashley...

user20683

11:09 PM

come to the dark side

user20683

you know you want to

user15026

@WorldEngineer I am! Slowly! but it takes a lot of time!

user20683

@AshleyNunn yeah I tend to forget that

user15026

and I only know about Python things!

user20683

yeah

user20683

11:10 PM

I run into that

user20683

my friend rated me for C++ on linked in

Fluttershy

@RavenDreamer It's 1 AM there. She's been trying to fix it. =P

user20683

I know how to do Hello World and a couple of other things

user15026

I mean if you want me to sort your text list into alphabetical order, I can do that!

Ben Brocka

@AshleyNunn next step: Make this in Python

user15026

11:11 PM

but tell you how to use an OPML file? I only know what that is because I wikipedia'ed it and even then I will just parrot the artcile because I HAVE NO IDEA

Raven Dreamer

5 mins ago, by Raven Dreamer

@Fluttershy Already? Well, good for her for improving her sleep schedule.

:P

user15026

@BenBrocka What is it doing? Finding the best path using whatever algorithm? I dont even know what algorithms ARE. :P

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn Yes, you do. You just can't correlate the word and its meaning.

Ben Brocka

Yes; it's actually not as hard as it seems, my final C++ project was something like that. Just without the multiple algos and the amazing visualization

user15026

@FEichinger .....what. That.....doesn't help me any

user15026

11:14 PM

Guys, I just learned about concatenation.

user15026

I KNOW NOTHING :P

user20683

@AshleyNunn you now know more than 50% of the users of SO

user20683

which is terrifying

user20683

@AshleyNunn

user20683

amazon.ca/Algorithms-Unlocked-Thomas-H-Cormen/dp/0262518805/…

user20683

11:16 PM

this is a good mini intro to Algorithms by one of the giants in the field

user20683

it's also way the hell cheaper than most of the alternatives

Ben Brocka

Or like...read some wikipedia articles

I abandoned books for programming years ago

user15026

@WorldEngineer I tried teh preview. Too many words I dont get

FEichinger

Books are usually outdated by the day they're released.

user15026

Remember, I also do not do math

user15026

11:17 PM

of any sort

Raven Dreamer

Just read Jon Skeet and Eric Lippert's top-voted answers.

Ben Brocka

Unless you're absolutely just starting out I find books are usualyl about 100 pages per 2 pages of useful info

@RavenDreamer actually many top voted SO answers explain useless curiosities much more than essential things to know

user20683

@BenBrocka Cormen's the guy behind Introduction to Algorithms, it's probably more like 9/10 for him

Raven Dreamer

@BenBrocka True.

user20683

@AshleyNunn

Raven Dreamer

11:18 PM

Just read Stack Overflow!

user20683

greenteapress.com/thinkpython

user20683

I'd argue against reading SO

Ben Brocka

@RavenDreamer The whole thing. By tuesday.

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn Apply recursive learning to all the words you don't know.

Sepia Lazers

0

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Right now, I'm working on a SkyBlock server for Arqade. It will live at sky.stackgaming.com, and all it's missing is a spawn! I'm looking for some people to come on the server and help build a spawn. Overview: It's a community-run SkyBlock server. 2k rep earns you the rank TrialMod 3k rep earns ...

discussion minecraft

user20683

11:19 PM

@FEichinger (learn(learn(learn(learn(x)))))

FEichinger

@WorldEngineer Seconded.

user20683

the "Think" series in general is good

user15026

@FEichinger Or, you know, people could just explain what they mean and stop making me feel like a gorram idiot

user20683

@AshleyNunn okay, what do you need me to deconstruct?

user20683

also you're not an idiot

user20683

11:20 PM

just so's we're clear

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn Go ahead and ask then. You've got a ton of people here who can help you with that.

Raven Dreamer

@AshleyNunn sympathug

user20683

and who won't judge you

user15026

@WorldEngineer Somedays I hate mentioning anything related to programming

user15026

because I dont think that way

user15026

11:21 PM

and it is hard

user15026

and I am trying

user15026

but I am not going to be a programmer

user15026

and I dont know anything about higher level math

Ben Brocka

webcolourdata.com

neat

FEichinger

@BenBrocka The web is way too blue.

he said, using blue in his own logo ... Dammit.

Ben Brocka

11:23 PM

15

A: Why are primary/call-to-action buttons usually plain blue?

Blue is the most common Favorite Color, which has been backed up repeatedly. (source) In addition to being the most popular color, blue just works well. Backgrounds are often white or black, and blue works on both. Blue is a friendly color for most common forms of colorblindness as well, as i...

Powerlord

Wait, what are we teaching @AshleyNunn?

user15026

Nothing in particular

user15026

I am just overwhlemed with the idea of learning

user15026

I want to learn more Pythonm

Ben Brocka

Learn to learn better

user15026

11:24 PM

but I don't think the way most of these books work

Powerlord

So, I ordered two new monitors... slightly smaller than my current one, but just as importantly, they have a lot smaller bezels.

user20683

@AshleyNunn how do you think?

user15026

@Powerlord Bezels?

FEichinger

@BenBrocka I know why, it just gets annoying when everything has the same colour scheme.

user15026

@WorldEngineer Mostly in pictures. I need to make stuff do stuff to learn it

Ben Brocka

11:24 PM

Ashley Nunn thinks in Bezels, data accepted

3

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn The area around the screen

user20683

@AshleyNunn okay

Ben Brocka

Habituation

Habituation is a decrease in response to a stimulus after repeated presentations. As a procedure, habituation is the repeated presentation of an eliciting stimulus that results in the decline of the elicited behavior (the process of habituation). This can be rooted from one becoming accustomed to a stimulus to such an extent, that they are simply less responsive or reactive to the stimulus. This process is gradual and is caused after prolonged exposure to the said stimulus. This can include an old ring tone which may not grab our attention quicker than a new ring tone to which we are not...

user15026

so reading stuff, weirdly, does not help me always when I have to like just memorize

user20683

there's a language called "Processing"

user20683

11:25 PM

that might be ideal

user20683

since it's designed for visual artists

user20683

and you make things in it

user20683

like fractals and craziness

user15026

@Powerlord Ah. Less is better?

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn Well, I'm going to be putting two monitors side by side

user15026

11:26 PM

@Powerlord So less means better eyeflow from one to the other?

Powerlord

@AshleyNunn That and my current one's fat bezels make it harder to fit two monitors on the desk.

As it is, I'm going to have to move things around on my desk.

FEichinger

@WorldEngineer Definitely needs a language other than python for that, at least.

user20683

@FEichinger processing is a language

user20683

Processing (programming language)

Processing is an open source programming language and integrated development environment (IDE) built for the electronic arts, new media art, and visual design communities with the purpose of teaching the fundamentals of computer programming in a visual context, and to serve as the foundation for electronic sketchbooks. The project was initiated in 2001 by Casey Reas and Benjamin Fry, both formerly of the Aesthetics and Computation Group at the MIT Media Lab. One of the stated aims of Processing is to act as a tool to get non-programmers started with programming, through the instant gratif...

FEichinger

@WorldEngineer I was agreeing with you >.<

user20683

11:29 PM

@FEichinger sorry I'm an idiot

user20683

mind is a little burned out from boning models

FEichinger

could say a lot of things right now ... avoids doing that

user15026

@WorldEngineer lucky you ;)

user15026

(There said one for you)

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn Does that mean I have to get mad at you now?

user15026

11:31 PM

@FEichinger Only if you want to :P

FEichinger

could, yet again, say a lot of things ... avoids doing that, again

user20683

@FEichinger I am boning them in blender, it's a messy business.

user20683

:P

user20683

and yes, I'm frustrated enough to get a ton of milage out of this one pun

user15026

@WorldEngineer Wow, that's an interesting choice of location ;)

user20683

11:32 PM

@AshleyNunn it's enforced, I can't afford the alternatives and the professor demanded it anyway

FEichinger

not gonna say it, no. not today

user20683

@FEichinger armatures :P

user20683

which are composed of bones

user20683

which are used to animate Blender models

user15026

@FEichinger Come on, do it, you'll like it.

FEichinger

11:33 PM

@AshleyNunn N-n-not today. No. No. Nononono.

user20683

I won't suspend you...Raven might but I won't

user20683

;)

user15026

@FEichinger You know how good it will feel to let it all out

user15026

(I am on a roll today. Seems like end of term has made my brain full of interesting)

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn No, today it's probably gonna make me feel even worse ... Which is not good, given that I'm getting drunk in ... 13 hours.

user15026

11:34 PM

@FEichinger oooh, sounds like fun

FEichinger

Grumpy drunk FEichinger is bad.

But the jokes are so bloody tempting. I mean just look at this: "and the professor demanded it anyway" ... PERFECT. OPPORTUNITY.

user20683

yeah I'm done with the golem's armature

FEichinger

"Hello buffer. I love you, too. Will you give me the right quote now, please?"

user15026

@FEichinger IT IS PERFECT

user15026

and you should let it all out

user15026

11:37 PM

because it would be awesome

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn Nooo, my mood is terrible already, and someone's definitely gonna get mad at me. :(

user15026

@FEichinger oh no! sends cupcakes and kittens to fix terrible moods

Coronus

@AshleyNunn Kitten cupcakes?

FEichinger

@Coronus She feeds crickets to frogs. I wouldn't be surprised.

user15026

FEichinger

11:41 PM

@AshleyNunn The kittens die by the time they get here and the cupcakes either get mashed or turn into stone in the meantime. Or the kittens try to eat them to survive. You are a horrible, horrible person.

user15026

@FEichinger I WAS TRYING TO HELP

user15026

appreciate meeeeeee

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn THINK AHEAD, FOR GOD'S SAKE!

user15026

SORRY

FEichinger

@AshleyNunn I do ... But you just killed innocent crickets, kittens and cupcakes! THINK OF THE CUPCAKES!

user15026

11:43 PM

@FEichinger Fine, fine, I will pack the cupcakes better next time ;)

Coronus

@AshleyNunn Pack the kitten well, too.

Choosing the right container is key.

user15026

@Coronus Oh, okay, well I could have used that visual reference ahead of time

user15026

Clearly I don't know my cat containing devices well

FEichinger

facedesk

Powerlord

The Robo crates are now dropping in TF2.

Not yet openable yet. Turns out a major update is probably happening soon.

Sepia Lazers

11:55 PM

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user20683

OMG it moves :D

user20683

:D

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