The Bridge

kalina

4:00 PM

denied

badp

@GraceNote I was fairly certain it was "set us up the bomb", "set up" would be actually correct

FEichinger

For 1.6 (and its snapshots), you *will* need the new launcher to play it. The old launcher will never have 1.6 pushed to it.

Tweeted by Dinnerbone on April 18, 2013 at 10:49 AM

kalina

WE GET SIGNAL

Grace Note

@badp A quick scan of places says "up us"

fredley

@FEichinger I wonder why

badp

4:03 PM

@GraceNote I was fairly certain. I admit defeat

Grace Note

I'm too lazy to go to zanyvg just for confirmation.

FEichinger

@fredley Say hello to the first set of anti-piracy measures from Mojang. <-- assumption

Grace Note

@badp It ain't defeat...

fredley

anyway, it's sunny and 5ish, so I'm outta here

Ullallulloo

@FEichinger Does the launcher update itself?

FEichinger

4:04 PM

@Ullallulloo Apparently not, from what the rest of DB's feed says.

It will have a link, but that's it.

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@FEichinger I don't think Mojang worries about piracy, given that they make hundreds of millions off their product every year

fredley

@FEichinger Realms

kalina

@fredley have fun in the sun!

FEichinger

When 1.6 comes out, the game will have a big red "1.6 is out, click here to download it!". So until then, don't worry and let's cuddle!

Tweeted by Dinnerbone on April 18, 2013 at 12:38 PM

OrigamiRobot

I'm glad the discussion on the proper way for all of one's base to belong to another went on as long as it did.

FEichinger

4:05 PM

@fredley Indeed. It's all part of a direction I don't really like, at any rate.

@YiJiang'sEvilClone I wouldn't call it "worry", but they're definitely trying to make it a little more inconvenient recently. Might be coincidence, but it sure looks a lot like it.

Ronan Forman

@FEichinger What have they done recently?

FEichinger

@RonanForman Realms, for one. Direct integration of a centralized online feature smells bad for the pirated versions.

Ronan Forman

@FEichinger They haven't done that yet, and they have said it won't be replacing standard multiplayer.

FEichinger

@RonanForman That's not what I've said either.

Ullallulloo

Indie Gala somehow is able to sell Mass Effect 2 in a bundle as a BTA.

Origin key.

Ronan Forman

4:14 PM

@FEichinger I don't understand your issue.

FEichinger

@RonanForman My issue is that, to me at least, integrating Realms as a separate module, rather than using the existing multiplayer, seems fishy - given that it has to connect to Mojang on startup for that feature.

It seems fishy, I don't like fishy, is all.

Ronan Forman

Well I don't know how you're going to log into a Mojang run server without connecting to Mojang.

BoltClock

Huh, I thought that guy who kept spamming LMFAO-BOX 1.4 Free and Awesome on TF2 the other day was just some free-to-play user raging in pub servers

Turns out it's the name of a real hack which people use

And without any way to mute a user in text chat, it gets old pretty quickly

Ben Brocka

@Ullallulloo that's kind of a mess, you need Steam, Desura and origin to get all the PC games (plus android for one of them)

Also some devs were complaining about some profits from this bundle going to some politician or something, not sure what that's about

FEichinger

<-- is glad he got a retail version of ME2 before Origin came about.

Ben Brocka

4:20 PM

They don't seem to link to any such thing on the bundle page

FEichinger

@BenBrocka "Help rebuild Vancouver's Game Industry." perhaps?

Ben Brocka

Yeah but it doesn't link to how/who/why

FEichinger

I think it does, at the end.

Or, well, in the middle. After that whole fancy games stuff.

"The Matt Toner Campaign"

--

Ben Brocka

Oh, after the mailing list stuff, never scrolled below that

kalina

90 seconds until hometime... not clockwatching much

OrigamiRobot

4:29 PM

I wish I was home :(

Ullallulloo

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@Wipqozn @OrigamiRobot ^

Now just get Capcom to release it in America. :(

OrigamiRobot

in Monster Hunter 3U, 3 hours ago, by Wipqozn

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in Monster Hunter 3U, 9 mins ago, by Wipqozn

Either way, I don't we'll see it in NA.

Ullallulloo

@OrigamiRobot How was I supposed to see that in a different room with a different video?

OrigamiRobot

:P

Ullallulloo

Made by the owners of League of Legends.

Ben Brocka

4:37 PM

> In the district court’s view, any transfer that takes place via the internet creates a reproduction of the work on the receiving machine, a new physical object that is “embodied” on the buyer’s hard drive. And that constitutes an illegal copy.

I like how this interpretation of copyright law basically means that downloading anything ever is a copyright violation. The copy of a song iTunes gives you is illegal. By that reading, it is logistically impossible to do legally do anything with digital goods, because by downloading them you are infringing

OrigamiRobot

ANARCHY

FEichinger

@BenBrocka Technically, yes. That's what licenses are for.

Ben Brocka

Friggin iTunes and Steam, clearly the content owners need to shut down these illegal operations

@FEichinger I don't think you understand; they imply that the license doesn't apply to any "copy" of the data that traveled over the internet. That would include anything downloaded from the original source as well

FEichinger

@BenBrocka The suit, however, was about resale.

Ben Brocka

What you get from iTunes and steam is a "reproduction", especially since you can download the same item multiple times. If they're going for the "laws of physics" there is no difference between the initial download and the resold copy

FEichinger

4:42 PM

Which isn't covered by the license.

Ben Brocka

> This understanding is, of course, confirmed by the laws of physics. It is simply impossible that the same “material object” can be transferred over the Internet. Thus, logically,… the Internet transfer of a file results in a material object being “created elsewhere at its finish.”

Sconibulus

but... there is no material object...

FEichinger

The license you receive when purchasing digital content allows you to use the copy - and further copies - you download from this source authorizing it. (That is, that's how the license should be worded).

Sconibulus

it's a pattern of zones of probability

FEichinger

Resale of digital content, isn't covered by the license, and as such does constitute illegally creating a copy - which is technically valid.

badp

4:45 PM

You know, Steam is maybe the only platform on which you could consider resale

mostly because games are the place where DRM is the most aggressive and Steam DRM can be easily circumvented (with loss of functionality) and yet (okay) enough people don't do that.

FEichinger

@badp Well, that's a whole different topic. Steam - since it is the distributor itself - isn't a third party here, other than ReDigi. For it to perform a resale, it would revoke the license and then grant it to someone else. That's doable.

badp

I was honestly rather thinking of it in terms of technical feasibility to be honest

FEichinger

It's feasible for any distributor.

badp

It would probably still be an economical nightmare, because the trading value of so many titles would be very much lower than their retail price.

FEichinger

It's just not controllable.

Blem

4:50 PM

The Indie Gala Mass Effect now with ME2 and some other games!

badp

Say, for example, Duke Nukem Forever.

FEichinger

Revoking the license to an iTunes-downloaded song, for instance, doesn't "destroy" the copy, other than Steam's access control could.

@badp This is the most important part about it, I'd say.

And, quite frankly, I agree with it.

badp

@FEichinger On the other hand... consider TF2 keys, which are rather desirable

The "official gray market" price for them is pretty much the same as the official market price minus $.10

FEichinger

@badp The problem is that we'd run into price dumping. Putting something that doesn't degrade at all - and technically cost nothing to produce - to a global free market means the original distributors would have to compete with public pricing.

badp

steamcommunity.com/market/listings/440/…

Much like games, keys can only originate by buying them full price

(Unlike games however, you can have as many as you want)

@FEichinger You can offset that. Make it so a game can't pass hands faster than 6 months

In the meantime, you'll probably already have offered the game at discount

FEichinger

4:56 PM

@badp Which is why I qualified it as "free market". Regulating it would obviously fix a lot of issues about it.

badp

...in a way you can turn the thing on its own head and force the free market to at least match the lowest discounted price the game ever got

Ben Brocka

badp

because, well, if it's more than that and I've already waited 6 months

FEichinger

@badp Isn't all that free anymore then, is it? :P

badp

I'll just wait some more until it goes back to that price

@FEichinger if it was free then you'd get no money from resale, why bother then

FEichinger

4:58 PM

@badp "free" as in "freedom". free market meaning no regulations.

badp

@FEichinger Steam won't do that, we can simply exclude that right out

FEichinger

Which is the whole idea behind digital resale. And is pretty damn dangerous.

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka ... I don't know how much tattoos cost, but it's gotta be more than $50

badp

There's a reason I said Steam is probably the only company that can get this done and make it sort of work

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot Yeah I'd assume that at best they might have covered their cost

FEichinger

4:59 PM

@OrigamiRobot Text only? Could actually be pretty cheap.

badp

1. Deep discounts cut on resale profits
2. Full control of the platform
3. They already have the platform in place
4. They can share a cut with developers
5. _They can share a cut with developers_

OrigamiRobot

@StrixVaria How much did you back Chasm at?

Ben Brocka

@FEichinger With a font as intricate as Comic Sans?!

badp

Also. Who at Microsoft thought this would be a good idea?

FEichinger

@BenBrocka Sarcasm?

badp

5:02 PM

(This is the only orientation Skype works in.)

Blem

I would guess he is a tattoo artist and hopfully already got a cover tattoo planed

FEichinger

@Blem I'd keep it, depending on the spot. It's actually pretty witty.

badp

@FEichinger I COME FROM INTERNET. LET ME SHOW YOU THE SIGN OF OUR TRIBE

FEichinger

You can always go with the story "Well, I wanted to get a tribal, but then hipsters happened, so ... yeh."

Powerlord

@BenBrocka Well, no, because that original copy created on your computer is what you paid for. Not only that, but many places let you redownload (that is, make new copies) on other devices you own. Or the same device again after deleting the original. It really depends on the licensing agreements.

Sterno

5:08 PM

►

That guy's wife is going to chew him out when he gets home and the kid tattles.

kalina

@Sterno I feel sorry for the kid

he sounded terrified

@badp you have a windows device?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

5:24 PM

@kalina That's Android

kalina

@YiJiang'sEvilClone wow

well, its not iOS

that's my area of knowledge wiped out

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

The bottom bar is a dead giveaway

I assume that's the stock keyboard

kalina

the bottom bar is what made me think it was windows -.-

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Metro's charms bar is on the right

kalina

I am going to be so lost for ages when my new phone arrives it seems

Sterno

5:29 PM

@kalina Yeah, but he/she gets to be a badass at school the next day.

kalina

@Sterno hearing damage is no joke though

Sterno

@kalina The guy who filmed this did an interview. Kid's okay now.

kalina

well that's ok then!

Sterno

Every time I see I.M.F. in the news I think "Impossible Mission Force".

Powerlord

@Sterno Another visitor... stay a while... stay forever!

loosebruce

5:42 PM

Hey all I just got myself a Dedicated Server for running game servers

Anyone have any experience with this, any links or guides to make my server secure and fast?

Ullallulloo

New IndieGameStand: Guns of Icarus Online

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@loosebruce Ping @RonanForman @Marco

@loosebruce What OS and hardware are you running?

loosebruce

Server 2008 R2 , Core i7 920, 24GB RAM, 1.5TB RAID 1

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

Wow, that's quite a lot of hardware. I assume if you need to run any Linux software packages you'd need virtual machines

kalina

@loosebruce what are you intending to run on it?

loosebruce

5:49 PM

Its a game called ArmA 3, its very processor intensive

hence the spec

I need it for my clan as we have about 30-40 people during our missions

badp

"!votescramble" "!votescramble" "!votescramble" "!votescramble" "Teams are fine lol" "Teams have been scrambled!" "rtv" "rtv" "rtv" "rtv" "rtv"

Blem

@Ullallulloo but is Guns of Icarus any good?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@loosebruce No experience with either Windows server or running an ArmA server, unfortunately

loosebruce

@YiJiang'sEvilClone ; its not that part. I hear there is cool software you can get for doing remote control stuff. Someone mentioned TCAadmin

I was wondering if you have experience with any of this stuff

Ullallulloo

@Blem It has a 66 on Metacritic, with most of the reviews saying that bugs are the major downsides.

Blem

5:53 PM

I would block all ports and then open the needed ports for the game

loosebruce

I hear there is another thing called RCON

Ullallulloo

I don't know if they've been fixed, but it's had five months.

Unionhawk

@badp Heh. The best is still last round of the map "Scramble teams?"

loosebruce

Sadly ArmA 3 is a Steam only game so I have installed that on my server, was hoping I could somehow program the server when I type comands through Steam chat to its account

Also need to find out about batch scripts that restart the game server if it crashes

badp

@Unionhawk "The current map has been extended!"

kalina

5:57 PM

@loosebruce doesn't look like RCON is available for Arma 3 yet

badp

(also I'm of the opinion that you should scramble early and scramble often)

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@loosebruce I'm not sure if Steam itself is amendable to that sort of modding. Surely there are better ways to communicating with the server than trying to hack Steam chat?

loosebruce

True

Unionhawk

@badp Yeah, scrambles are often good. I never really have fun when I'm on either extreme of the team balance

loosebruce

I guess it will be good the server having a steam account, if it goes down then I will see it loggin off

agent86

6:01 PM

@loosebruce most dedicated servers don't require a steam account, even if the game client does. (all of valve's dedicated servers don't require steam accounts, for instance)

it looks like you need to be logged into steam to download the files, but then the dedicated server itself can be run with steam in offline mode

(if this guide is to be believed - ofcrav2.org/forum/index.php?topic=1621.0)

are you on windows or linux?

Yi Jiang's Evil Clone

@agent86 He said Windows Server 2008 R2

SaintWacko

Yay, meeting canceled!

Powerlord

Is Arma 3 even out yet?

agent86

crap, I can't remember the free one we used to use on windows...

kalina

@Powerlord alpha/pre-release on steam

agent86

6:06 PM

@loosebruce the "paid" one we used on windows was firedaemon - firedaemon.com it has some neat features, like the ability to log into a web control panel and shutdown/startup server(s)

you can't RCON with it, but you can do basic management tasks

Powerlord

Does it use steamcmd to update its server? If so, it'd be nice to have its appid on the master list.

agent86

most of the admins would log in with remote desktop to do anything more intensive than that

@Powerlord from what I can see, the server is currently just the client with a command line option. don't think there's anything sophisticated yet

Powerlord

@agent86 That's silly. :O

loosebruce

Sorry back from having pizza

Ben Brocka

Is it a boy or girl?

OrigamiRobot

6:18 PM

@BenBrocka tree

Ben Brocka

Tree is a terrible flavor of pizza

OrigamiRobot

Says you.

Lazers

-4

Q: Will there be an Assassin's Creed 4 Collector's Edition?

I'm just curios if there is any information on whether there will be a collector's edition of AC4, what will it contain, etc? I know there is still a lot of time till release, but I would like to take a look at it as soon as possible.

assassins-creed-series

Powerlord

@Lazers Too localized?

Quick, I need reasons to miss my 3pm meeting

bacon explosion

6:25 PM

@Powerlord "My dog has halitosis."

OrigamiRobot

4 hours ago, by OrigamiRobot

40 mins ago, by OrigamiRobot

Try putting ice cream in the optical drive.

Ben Brocka

Closed as dog halitosis

badp

The meeting got closed too localized

OrigamiRobot

I will VTC anyone's meeting if they pay me.

Powerlord

6:34 PM

I wish I could vote to close meetings.

kalina

just stand up, state "this meeting is a waste of my life" and walk out

OrigamiRobot

@kalina Needs four more votes to pass.

StrixVaria

@OrigamiRobot $25

OrigamiRobot

I should play the demo.

It wont be out for a year though :(

badp

@Powerlord You don't have the reputation

Powerlord

6:41 PM

You know what's funny about reading the AMXModX forums? People who claim there's some "new exploit" out there, but it only affects non-updated servers and specifically the ones using dproto (a tool that allows non-Steam users to connect to Steam servers).

I can't imagine why running a tool that undermines your authentication protocol makes it so people can take over your server!!!

2

badp

#1.J

@kalina Windows Phone also has a bunch of buttons at the bottom, but they're usually not software buttons.

kalina

@badp mk

badp

They're back, home (Windows logo) and search if I'm not mistaken

Windows Phone also typically features much more typography with words cutting off on the edges

I'm sure you've seen the pictures.

SaintWacko

My meeting got closed :D

Powerlord

@SaintWacko Stop making me jealous

Speaking of which, meeting for me in 7ish minutes

OrigamiRobot

6:53 PM

@Powerlord I haven't had a meeting in months

Powerlord

I should get going, since I have a stop to make before there.

@OrigamiRobot I'm sorry to hear that you left your job.

Anyway.... bbl

OrigamiRobot

And my meetings basically go, "So we all agree that this is fucked and there's nothing we can do about it, right?"

2

Lazers

0

Q: File not found error in ME2

I was playing ME2 fine till last night. This morning I received a strange error as shown below. Before it was about new7_en.jpg. I have not changed any settings etc betweem last night and tonight. Once I click on OK it goes away. Still if someone could provide a resolution would be much appreci...

mass-effect-2

-2

Q: Where to find Mp3 of Dwarf Fortress music?

Does anyone know where to find an MP3 of the Dwarf Fortress theme music/music that plays in the background during play? I know you can go into the files and find the song_game.ogg file, but I just want an Mp3 version to move around on different PCs and devices. I'd prefer a longer version than ju...

dwarf-fortress music

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot Didn't realize you worked for Blackberry

OrigamiRobot

@BenBrocka Most of my work problems come from inadequate documentation on the part of the client. I can't make them keep their drawings up to date.

"We would like you to do an evaluation of our electrical system. By the way, we have no drawings and you aren't allowed to open anything up."

badp

7:08 PM

@OrigamiRobot import magic

kalina

to dominos or not to dominos

that is the question

OrigamiRobot

@badp The best we can do is say "We are assuming all your conductors are properly sized"

Blem

@OrigamiRobot who made that?

OrigamiRobot

@Blem The guy's name is on it. I just stumbled on it

Blem

well it says "/ 9GAG" so i thought it was just another collection of other peoples work that someoen collected and put there name on it to get likes

Ullallulloo

7:17 PM

@Blem I think it's by National Geographic for April Fools.

Wipqozn

PaperStare @Rob

OrigamiRobot

@Rob ಠ_ಠ

Blem

@Ullallulloo yea laughingsquid.com/…

Sconibulus

7:33 PM

@OrigamiRobot Are you allowed to subject it to more and more rediculous conditions until it explodes?

OrigamiRobot

@Sconibulus I wish.

Sconibulus

so, basically, no forms of testing at all?

Ben Brocka

Sconibulus

...what?

"apply dog vision" is a thing?

Ben Brocka

Yes. It doesn't work for many things though

Blem

7:43 PM

nice

@Sconibulus wolframalpha.com/input/…

Ben Brocka

for whatever reason mostly just animals

OrigamiRobot

Ben Brocka

Much to my dismay "your mom" doesn't work

@OrigamiRobot ew they look like flat pickles

Yawus

@BenBrocka Oh, she works all right. wink wink nudge nudge

Sconibulus

ew... doggy bacon looks awful

OrigamiRobot

7:46 PM

4

Coronus

@Sconibulus If there were a way to overlay how they smell it as a visual layer, that would be the most awesome image ever.

Sconibulus

www4b.wolframalpha.com/Calculate/MSP/….

it's one of those allergens from the commercials!

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot huh

Coronus

@BenBrocka Apparently it translates "ben brocka" as "old ben"

Ben Brocka

It seems to have issues with two-word names/animals

Yawus

7:59 PM

Like "green bowl on grass" = "Al Green".

FEichinger

wolframalpha.com/share/…

Ben Brocka

hey it worked for Dog Food

badp

> apply cat vision to an image of birds
Using closest Wolfram|Alpha interpretation: image of birds

bah

Ben Brocka

yeah it doesn't do cat vision

badp

OEMs upset that Microsoft didn't keep publishing Windows More Of The Same Home Premium Gold Edition

Ben Brocka

8:08 PM

If the rumors are true Windows Blue actually sounds like a pretty solid move

badp

@BenBrocka What are the rumours? Last I heard Windows Blue was rumoured to have a Metro Settings screen that doesn't suck

...and that was the only difference

Ben Brocka

Latest has been buzz about putting the start button back in and allowing boot-to-desktop. More or less cutting out the start screen if people don't want it

Almost all of my complaints about windows 8 involve anything that put me on the start screen other than looking for a Metro app (which I never did)

badp

"putting the start screen back in and allowing boot-to-desktop" wat

Allow people to bypass the start screen and put it back in after it's been removed when?

That doesn't compute

We now have a target date of the weekend of 4th/5th May for the release of #Debian 7.0 wheezy: http://deb.li/O8h0

Tweeted by debian on April 18, 2013 at 5:21 PM

FEichinger

@badp Metro is becoming optional, apparently.

Ben Brocka

Also they should bring back freaking pinch-to-zoom for multitouch on Desktop; I have zero idea why that no longer works when it worked in 7

badp

8:13 PM

@FEichinger ...so they're putting back in the start menu?

FEichinger

@badp Well, no. At least we have no confirmation of that.

(And I honestly can't imagine them doing it)

badp

Yeah, I hope they don't do that

Ben Brocka

@badp putting the start button back in

OrigamiRobot

^ Bring back this screen

badp

@BenBrocka oh. meh. of all the things.

FEichinger

8:14 PM

@badp Wha-- Why?

badp

All of my mehs.

Ben Brocka

@OrigamiRobot Is that not the Start screen? That's what the Start screen says to me

RedRiderX

@OrigamiRobot I still have a computer that shows this screen.

It has font memories.

badp

@FEichinger Bigger icons are easier to click. It's maths. You should instead ask yourself why you are clicking to begin with

@OrigamiRobot Wasn't that screen typeset in Franklin Gothic?

OrigamiRobot

@badp I don't know. I did a book report on Franklin County in grade school. Does that help?

badp

8:17 PM

Goddamn. Google Images sucks at Windows 95 screenies

RedRiderX

Girl Scouts to introduce game developer badge.

I can't help but see this as a 100% good thing.

badp

Well it's time to boot this virtual machine up again

...sigh, Virtual PC is no longer a thing for Windows 8 and my CPU doesn't have the right extensions for the inbuilt software

VirtualFailInABox it is then.

(Did I mention I don't like VirtualBox?)

Ben Brocka

Gentlemen, it is time that we play...the most dangerous game:

3

badp

Zoomba Raven Cat Tiny Duck Chase?

FEichinger

@BenBrocka [insert jaws tune]

Ullallulloo

8:27 PM

Google Fiber comes to Provo, Utah.

OrigamiRobot

brb, moving to Utah

Ben Brocka

Lucky SOBs

Yawus

I'm pretty certain that moving to Utah will require a bit more time than is allowed by "right back".

OrigamiRobot

I am a robot.

user15026

I want it to come to me in Canada. That would be appreciated.

Ullallulloo

8:39 PM

@AshleyNunn That's gonna take forever.

tombull89

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Ullallulloo

My city seems like it would be a good candidate, but we just got some state grant to make our own high-speed internet that has roughly no chance of reaching me.

tombull89

oh, jesus, what a thumbnail.

Ullallulloo

@tombull89 sigh, those comments.

Ben Brocka

@AshleyNunn Fiber isn't made out of maple syrup so I'm not sure how practical that is

Ullallulloo

8:41 PM

> fake

> fale

> OMG fake

Yawus