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@YiJiang tables outside of the body are pro much

Yi Jiang

What sort of fantastic CMS are they using? Because no human is capable of creating code this bad

sometimes you need two body-s!

how are you going to organize that? not with your high-falutin' CSS

@fbueckert "leaked" patch notes tend to mean unreleased, am I wrong in this assumption? (my D3 client won't connect atm)

@fbueckert @OrigamiRobot Just in case this thing I wrote about the Monk got lost in the fervor over the 1.0.3 patch notes, just re-linking you in case you have any time to read it.

6:05 PM

@ickleislands us.battle.net/d3/en/blog/6457499/…

@fbueckert nvm, google confirms, brb

@fbueckert ty

@fbueckert done

Q: Dual weld 1H vs 1H + Quiver vs 2H + Quiver?

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Q: How to solve 2-5?

This is what I've got after much trying: It's kind of a miracle that it works at all, but I have no idea how to redirect the flow so that the purple icon gets some action as well.

auditorium

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As a demon hunter, you have three choices: Dual Weld 1H crossbows 1H crossbow + quiver 2H crossbow/bow + quiver Given equivalent level items of all of these types, in every single situation I have ALWAYS found the 2H crossbow/bow + quiver to be the highest dps of the three combos. Next highes...

diablo-3 diablo-3-demon-hunter

if you have any love for classic adventure gaming, there's a lucasarts adventure pack on sale on Steam that you would probably enjoy: store.steampowered.com/sub/2102

zork

@QAdp Auditorium is such a serene game, isn't it?

6:20 PM

@fbueckert I don't see what the problem with that GTA question. It asks for a specific resource - car list with pictures. It's not intended for a one-car-per-answer votable list, it just wants an answer which will provide a link to such a list or will contain it itself. We have other similar questions.

QAdp

@fbueckert Not particularly actually

Sometimes I get a sloppy solution to be accepted by the game and then the game locks it in

Joke is on Lucas Arts, I bought that pack 15 years ago

Though that one came with Day of the Tentacle and Sam and Max Hit the Road as well

Sooo @agent86 HOw do you want this key?

@fbueckert why am I jealous?

I could just post it here and first come first serve :D

6:25 PM

@Oak It's the picture part that I didn't like; I forsee it being a giant wall of text.

@fbueckert The original was great, their ports are ... Well.. not great.

Also, today is me and @IanPugsley two year anniversary :3 yayyy

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@fbueckert there's "not like" and there's "it doesn't belong here and should be closed" - those are two different things.

Gratz @spugsley :)

@James thanks :)

6:26 PM

@fbueckert in the past we have indicated an aversion to overly broad questions, that is true (meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/3714/…, meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/865/…) but in this case the OP says there is already such a list

And I don't really know whether it's overly broad or not, anyway.

@spugsley You missed out on the massive amounts of innuendo that was being thrown around.

@fbueckert dammit! There should be a rule that all innuendo must be saved until I'm in the room

@spugsley There is.

You broke the rule that says you're not allowed to LEAVE the room.

@fbueckert bahahahahaha fair enough

@Oak How do I know if it's overly broad or not?

6:30 PM

@James hmm... good question. I suppose I can just give you my email address, are you ready?

@fbueckert hard to tell :) personal judgement, then, but saying "off topic" is still a little strong.

@spugsley congrats, btw!

@agent86 thank you

:)

@Oak Alrighty. I'll keep that in mind going forward.

@agent86 Ooor you could add me to steam? If we are not already :D

6:32 PM

@James yeah, you're on my steam friends list I believe. I won't be around steam until late this evening, though, if you don't mind waiting

Nah, just ping me there when you are on it is all man

@agent86 Easy enough to cut and paste later ;)

I have some sort of "business dinner" this evening I must attend

Order the steak

and a beer

@agent86 The suspension mail is a safe way to transmit your mail address ;-)

@agent86 Porn and cheetos?

6:33 PM

@MadScientist Why do I get the sense I do not like that idea :P

@James kay, I appreciate it :) is it OK for kids? ie, no graphic violence or anything? I might let them watch if so.

I CAN (probably) FINALLY MOVE ON TO ACT FUCKING 2 TODAY! YAY!

@tiddy that's a "casual business luncheon"

Watch the strong F

(Finally)

@agent86 You saw my video right man? As far as I know that is All there is to the game :D

6:34 PM

@James yeah, I watched your video, cool

Well, and this applies to both, don't forget your business socks

There is person to person combat but that is two small icons standing on top of each other or near each other and health bars dropping

@tiddy oh heck yeah. I've got my business socks ready to go.

@James I'll cover their eyes when it happens

@spugsley congrats.

fucking assholes. I can't kite enemies into town anymore. Booooo

6:35 PM

@spugsley We just did a 3 monk faceroll yesterday.

@Wipqozn thank you :)

Belial is simpler when you're not subject to a single death wiping out all your progress.

omg

I'm going to shit a brick

"Destructible objects no longer have a chance to drop items, and will only have a small chance to drop gold when destroyed"

I find it annoying that everyone is talking about 1.0.3, and it's not deployed yet here (just pointless ranting, I understand why they don't update all servers at once)

both of my legendary items came from fucking destructible items

not from fucking them, to be clear

6:38 PM

@spugsley yea, I am disappoint

@spugsley At least you've FOUND legendaries.

I so want to star that now.

I've found like 10 legendaries...

@MadScientist man, that's nothing. Today I saw "Gods and Kings released!" on Steam, only to realize it's only released on North America :\

Maybe they monitored pre-release excitement level.

@AshleyNunn is playing NetHack? Oh my. I'm rather curious to see how that turns out.

6:39 PM

I run through monsters like a rusty lawnmower, and I have yet to find any legendary item whatsoever.

And the legendary drop rate is tied to that.

It seems we're way past innuendo now

And, crap DPS or not, one of the few monks to solo Belial pre-nerf.

Blizzard, where's mah loot!?

Oh, right. Everyone ELSE finds that which is destined for me. :P

@Oak There's no excuse for different release dates, I've tricked Steam into giving me the US release date for Civ 5 when it was released, but I don't really like to do that now that I have significantly more games in my account

@MadScientist yea... :( and it's a DLC to a Steam game anyway. I'm guessing 99% of their sales will be digital copies, if not 100% (do they even have a box?)

Q: What are the towers' stats?

6:42 PM

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In HexDefense, what is the actual damage each tower type (and its upgrades) do? Having this information will be helpful for maximizing the damage output of my layout. I care less about the actual numerical damage values (because I don't know the creeps' health so it's meaningless anyway) and mor...

hex-defense

nice!

Elite packs (Champion/Rare) now drop an additional item for players with 5 stacks of Nephalem Valor, which is guaranteed to be of Rare quality

@spugsley Yup. Act 2 runs just got a better incentive.

@spugsley yeah, you lose one for bosses, but you gain one for elites, so I guess a net win unless you're mostly running bosses with 5 stacks

@agent86 yeah, this pleases me

It seems somehow pointless to try an Inferno Act I run today, when it will be far more useful tomorror and when I might even be able to run Act II

6:43 PM

I can more or less do the skeleton king now, but anything past that and I'm 0wn3d

I tried the spider tunnel place and that was a bad idea

they spidered me into little tiny chunks

I found just playing a complete game, not running specific bosses to be most effective. Then you don't spend so much time building up the valor, but just run with it for the whole time

@agent86 That's basically what a run was; five champion packs, then as many bosses as possible.

@agent86 The spiders are very annoying, but I found the rest of Act I inferno suprisingly easy

@MadScientist Did you try Act 2?

@MadScientist this. I run the entirety of Act 1 and it's much better. I have all 5 stacks by the time I'm done with the Crypts

6:45 PM

@agent86 It's fun to hear your status updates because I can remember each time when I was there thinking the same things.

LessPop_MoreFizz

@StrixVaria should I be getting off your lawn then? :P

LessPop_MoreFizz

The Yankees Outfielders are confused.

@StrixVaria Yup. I remember when I first entered the spider cave. That was a bad move.

what did you guys have to do in order to push past it?

I'm guessing the answer is "moar dps"

6:47 PM

@fbueckert Once, the first elite pack went into enrage, I died a bit and fled to town. There was just no realistic chance to beat them. I haven't tried since

@agent86 It's hard to say what I ever did that pushed me into the next area. One day I tried it and it wasn't so bad.

@agent86 I run with life on hit; you can mitigate almost everything with enough of that.

That's how I killed the Butcher the first time with under 14K life.

@fbueckert What do you think of the 3 minute phase 3 Belial enrage? It definitely took us more than 3 minutes to kill him last night.

@agent86 I did buy a reasonable 750dps weapon for cheap when I hit level 60, and then upgraded my gear with relatively cheap (50k-200k) stuff all around. That was enough for Act I

@StrixVaria Indeed. Not a fan, but I'll reserve judgement until after I try him again.

6:49 PM

I'm gearing up for Act 2-3 and it's expensive.

@MadScientist None of my weaponry is anywhere NEAR 750 DPS.

@fbueckert how much life on hit do you have? it doesn't seem to mitigate nearly enough on my WD

My weapon is ~750 dps, 500+ life on hit, and like 150 vitality.

@agent86 I had ~800 or so.

@fbueckert yeah, I'm nowhere near that. I think I had one with 400, but I had to trade it out for something with more DPS

6:50 PM

@agent86 I also had somewhere around 10K DPS.

well, I suppose I'll stick with my current strategy of starting the quest right before skeleton king, messing around in the graveyard to build NV, and then clearing the cathedral + the king

@fbueckert 755 dps, 140 int. I don't remember the exact price, but it wasn't much more than 100k.

@fbueckert yeah, I think I'm around 11-12k DPS right now

@MadScientist Two hander?

@fbueckert No, 1-hand axe.

6:51 PM

@agent86 Exactly. So, get life on hit. You'll love it.

@MadScientist You got stupid lucky, then. Any 750 DPS weapon now goes for basically 1 million+

It's magic, not rare and doesn't have anything special on it. But that was the biggest change for me

With the added caveat that it has life on hit; that's basically a requirement for melee in Inferno.

@fbueckert I can get a 800 dps weapon with 100 int for 250k right now, but I'm on the EU server

@fbueckert hmm, yeah, going to have to look around and see what I can find, or get lucky with something

I also think I take far too much damage, but replacing my gear is going slowly

@agent86 Just run with me; apparently, I'm a loot pinata for gear that I don't need. :P

6:53 PM

@fbueckert I bought my 970 dps crossbow for 75k

@fbueckert lol!

@StrixVaria can corroborate.

@fbueckert and my 920 dps 1h mace with 150 int on it for 200

2 mins ago, by fbueckert

With the added caveat that it has life on hit; that's basically a requirement for melee in Inferno.

both are socketed

6:54 PM

I don't look at anything that doesn't have life on hit.

@fbueckert I stopped using my monk at lvl 56 or 57 and switched to wizard. It's much easier if you can actually kite enemies

my wiz uses a life per second build, so don't need loh

@MadScientist And therein lies the disparity between ranged and melee.

I don't like the idea of kiting everything.

I'm going to level a Wizard eventually, but I wasn't going to sit around and whine that Inferno is impossible for melee, ala 95% of the bnet forums.

6:55 PM

I am going to try my damnedest to build my DH as an in-your-face melee-range.

Fan of Knives, Strafe, Grenades.

Whatever it takes.

@StrixVaria The demonhunter needs a shotgun.

In act I I don't need to kite all that much, I can survive quite a few hits from most elite mobs

@fbueckert Multishot is kind of like a shotgun.

I need to rethink my WD build, I don't particularly care for some percentage of my skills.

I'm beginning to think maybe vision quest isn't worth it on inferno

just checked, my weapon was only 50k

6:57 PM

my issue isn't that I don't have enough mana, it's that I can't stay in the fight long enough to drain it

sigh I spend so much money on survival upgrades.

Even the million and a half I got for my gloves went straight into replacement gloves and a higher DPS weapon with more life on hit.

I'm glad to see Blizzard realized that the blacksmith was completely useless due to the high prices it had when compared to the fact the auction house existed.

@agent86 I loved it when I realized I was wrong and you can be viable without Vision Quest.

To me, Vision Quest isn't fun.

@StrixVaria what's your build like now for WD, if you're in inferno?

I'm under the impression that pets are absolutely worthless

I played through A1 Inferno with my WD with a group.

I wasn't soloing.

7:00 PM

and vision quest really helps with the heavy mana-drain skills

hmm

Give me a minute to re-construct my build in the calculator.

@agent86 I was running something like this.

The Gargantuan survived OK against white mobs, but elites pretty much instakilled him.

well if you'll excuseme, I'm going to go eat sushi

tortoise swoosh (although I won't actually be leaving the chat room... just physical room the computer with the chat room opened on is located)

@agent86 I look so tranquil and wise.

@Wipqozn tortoise zen

@StrixVaria what's the benefit of poison dart? I've pretty much given up on any of the primary skills in inferno. I think I have haunt in that slot with + mana regen

7:04 PM

Damage when I'm out of mana...

Poison Dart with Splinters deals good damage.

hmm

Haunt is DoT which is crappy especially since it doesn't stack on top of itself.

well, I find it useful when running for my life

I hate all the WD primaries, though.

This is my wizard, but the blizzard/hydra build seems very popular anyway: us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/wizard#aQXlOR!XdW!cYaYcb

7:05 PM

I can hit them and then run to recover my spirit walk or hex cooldown if I need to

it also helps that if I die near the respawn point, they don't heal since they're still taking damage

plus with the +mana regen, I can regain mana for better skills if there's a big pack to deal with

The WD primaries seem like "choose your deficiency" instead of any kind of choice that makes you excited to use it.

I tend to prefer the firebomb skill when I have a primary

Fluttershy

@MadScientist The rune on Blizzard makes me want to watch Game of Thrones....

Poison Dart: No AoE and some of the damage comes from a DoT
Spiders: Ugh.
Frogs: Costs *more* mana than you regenerate how is that a primary wtf.
Firebomb: 85%? Really? Trash.

@StrixVaria the benefit is the AoE on the firebomb. it often does more damage than the dart does, if there's more than one enemy in the radius

7:07 PM

85% is trash even with the AoE.

that said, I took all the primaries off my WD in inferno

it's a trash skill though :)

Look at all the other primaries for all the other classes that have AoE.

The seeker magic missile is fun against ranged mobs when you can hide behind a corner and just shoot around it

if you've got big stinker, I don't know how you feel about it, but bad medicine might make sense as a passive

seems like you've got 3 poison skills on that build, which might make it worth it

Big Stinker was a mistake and I just rolled with it due to Valor stacks.

I'll take a look at Bad Medicine though.

Q: What is the Drop Rate for Magic Items by Act?

7:12 PM

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Blizzard's Patch notes sometimes provide data on the drop rate for an item level range in a specific Act/Difficulty. For example, the 1.0.3 notes provided this information : High-end items (items level 61-63) will now drop in all Acts of Inferno and Acts III and IV of Hell difficulty The new ...

diablo-3

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Q: Virtual City Playground - How do I start a new game?

How do I start a new game within Virtual City Playground? When I load the app, I just have an option to start playing. I don't see anything throughout the game menu to restart or anything like that.

android tablet virtual-city-playground

I thought the Witch Doctor was supposed to be the pet class. I hear it's extremely bad, though.

I remember when people were all like "MAKE SURE WD IS VIABLE WITHOUT PETS"

Now people are all like "UGH WTF MAKE WD PETS VIABLE"

The pets scale off your defenses, so if you build tanky the pets are tanky.

this is kinda similar to what I was using last night, I think: us.battle.net/d3/en/calculator/witch-doctor#efUjRQ!ZUb!cccbaY

I definitely noticed a difference when I got some armor/resist items.

My problem with Vision Quest builds is that most of them require Spirit Walk to be on cooldown for Vision Quest to be active.

When I tried a Vision Quest build I used 5 skills with CD so I could still save Spirit Walk to save myself.

It worked fine, but it was so boring.

I've only got the 4, including spirit walk. I tend to rush in, do a bunch of damage, and when life or mana are low, pop spirit walk and run for it

then when I come out, I'm healed and my mana's back, and I can usually do some damage or pop another skill

7:16 PM

I used BBVD and Fetish army.

in earlier difficulties, I could just stand next to bosses with enough life on hit, and slam into them with whatever damage ability I could get

When I used both of those together + zombie bear spam, it was insane how much damage I was able to put out.

popping all skills whenever the cooldowns rolled around

yeah, I had fetish army for a while, but the cooldown on that and BBVD is just a bit too long for my liking

the nice thing about the fetishes is they are valid targets but can't be killed (I think)

I actually used that reduced cooldown passive on my Vision Quest build.

yeah, I had the reduced cooldown on as well, when I had hex+bbvd+army

7:17 PM

They can definitely be killed :P

I remember I used Fetish Army against Diablo and he was just like "NTHX" and killed 4 of them instantly.

I dunno, I've just seen them tank elites for quite a while, even with desecration/poison/whatever damage floor

they'd still be happily following me until the timeout expired

I do like that they count as bodies though.

Unlike the stupid spiders.

Does anyone want to play dungeon defenders, I've realised I've only ever played it once.

@QAdley We need to play skygrid more, I'm out of footage.

I should write another firmly worded blog post about the awful WD primary skills.

@StrixVaria You need more analysis on Sweeping Wind with the tornado rune

7:28 PM

@OrigamiRobot I never used it nor do I think it's really viable since the tornados are positioned randomly and move randomly.

I used Energy Twister briefly on a Wizard then gave up on that because moving randomly is the worst mechanic.

@StrixVaria The tornadoes themselves dont do damage, they shoot lightning at things

Oh that makes a lot more sense then.

I will mess with that rune tonight.

I don't think my crit chance is very good, though.

and they always originate from the character

<-- 17%

Aside from that one rune, though.

Which I don't think makes up for the dearth of other options.

FRAGMENTS UGH

The Monk just doesn't have viable damage options.

It's all sustained DPS, nothing bursty.

@OrigamiRobot And the range itself seems to be pretty large; I've seen a tornado zap something on the other side of me.

7:31 PM

I want to be able to spend my spirit, dammit.

I still agree that Sweeping Wind is not the thing for spike damage, but it is more damage output than you give it credit for. That said, I do acknowledge it is extremely difficult to analyze

@StrixVaria That's why I use it! Fire and forget.

Sweeping Wind should be part of a high-damage-output build.

Did you guys see this?

reddit.com/r/Diablo/comments/va85k/died_twice_15k_to_repair

"Died twice, 15k repair"

But you need another spender that deals damage on top of that to continually spend spirit on.

Inferno is not a sustainable way to play anymore

7:32 PM

Yes it is.

Don't play areas you're not geared for.

Profit.

@StrixVaria I spam cyclone strike for +dodge and interrupt

also, restart games with mob packs you can't handle

I watched a friend once die ~50 times trying to get stacks on Act 3 so he could kill Siegebreaker once.

lose valor stacks

then my backlash hits them

7:33 PM

@OrigamiRobot I love that. I like to play with full spirit and save it for emergencies.

repeat until you hate the game

@Resorath this is my concern. I can kill act 1 inferno elites, but it frequently takes me a death.

I think I'm going to have to go back to act 4 hell if I want to have any chance at making cash.

They also put reflect damage on Siegebreaker, so literally every part of that run he was cheesing is now not profitable or possible for him.

"extra fast" and/or "Invulnerable minions" and/or "mortar" etc etc and I just won't challenge anymore

I think that's a good change.

7:34 PM

@Resorath yeah, lord no. invulnerable minions? I would break my keyboard over my knee

@StrixVaria Yeah. When your main strategy is "Die and let an NPC do it", there's something wrong.

there's "hey, let's discourage dying over and over again" and then there's "hey, know what's good? kicking people when they're down. how about we kill you, and then take your money?"

@agent86 in an AMA they were considering taking out invulnerable minions... looks like they are still around, although the health of the "mothership" mob has been reduced

@Resorath And they're looking at letting projectiles pass through invulnerable minions, I think.

@agent86 haha exactly. oh diablo. I'm hoping it gets reverted just like the game throttling they tried to do for about 5 hours

@fbueckert That would be a good change. "Ethereal Minions" instead

7:37 PM

I could see maybe having my stuff break faster on my 3rd or 4th death (ie, 15% or 25% or something) to ramp it, but telling me I just need to drop back to where the crap spawns less frequently until I can kill everything without dying is just bogus.

@OrigamiRobot Exploding Palm and Wave of Light are both literally worthless, though. Agree?

I think the worst part about the broken gear and requiring a lot more resist/defence is the harsher enrage timers they added to bosses. You can't be geared for both defence and damage to make the enrage timers in inferno without spending millions and millions of gold (or hundreds and hundreds of dollars)

yeah, maybe I should just hang this up until they work out a better balance.

no sense in beating my head against the wall when they're still tuning their sliders

@StrixVaria Agree

Agreed. It is back to Tribes: Ascend for me.

which is a really really fun game, even though it is pay to win (which I don't)

(that is, I don't pay and I don't win)

7:39 PM

I really want Wave of Light to not be worthless.

That Pillar rune needs to be worth something.

It's so stupid I want to use it.

Is that the one that calls down a giant church bell

which then the monk proceeds to punch?

best animation ever

That's the skill, but the rune I'm talking about changes it.

A giant pillar erupts from the ground and actually blocks movement for a few seconds, then explodes.

It deals 210% when it spawns, then 210% again when it explodes.

Q: Damage Over Time Now Is Affected By Crits? (patch 1.0.3)

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From the patch notes: Damage Over Time (DoT) skills will now properly benefit from items with the +Critical Chance affix So, hypothetically, if I'm using a demon hunter with 2.5 attacks per second, and I use impale with 2 seconds of bleeding, then do I get 5 chances to crit from one impale?

diablo-3

@StrixVaria even better

@RonanForman Ok, when?

7:43 PM

Won't the changes actually make Indestructible a useful affix though

Also, doesnt Sweeping Wind work off Attack Speed?

And as someone was talking about monks - did I read Mantra of Retribution right; afaik it used to be capped at player hp so now its way better?

@Alok Reverse.

It used to not be capped and now it is.

ah

So they actually nerfed the only mantra that was already worthless.

7:44 PM

No wonder, something felt wrong that it wouldn't be a nerf

Btw, what was it that players could do, dealing high amount of amount to Izual - great language on the patch, idk wtf it means :p

One of the patch notes was that Izual wouldn't target followers or NPCs as often.

But I've never seen Izual do anything other than chase me all over the place.

David B

seems like you should become a follower then. safety in the herd

@QAdley You free tomorrow?

@RonanForman Nope, more balls

@StrixVaria same here, and I don't see why he needed more hp

7:48 PM

@QAdley When are you free then?

Um. Next week?

Really? Maaann....

Q: Is it possible to join non-dedicated Call Of Duty servers over internet without having a valid game CD key

man, blizzard... "balance" - you keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

GnomeSlice

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First of all, I have little knowledge about hosting a dedicated public game server so I may be using some wrong terms in this question. Please correct me if you find something. I know that we can host a COD server without having a valid CD key (by just selecting Start a server"... or something ...

call-of-duty hosting

Is this a legal no-no?

LessPop_MoreFizz

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=uiyMuHuCFo4

SCIENCE.

7:54 PM

@RonanForman Sorry, balls all week and I'm away at the weekend