The Bridge

Simon Sheehan

6:00 PM

Afternoon everyone

Wipqozn

Afternoon @SimonSheehan

Who I don't think I've ever talked to before...

so nice to meet you as well

Powerlord

Oh boy, Ubisoft screwed up this time.

One thing you'd think they'd have learned by now is "Don't lie to the press."

Simon Sheehan

Nice to meet you @Wipqozn, I've definitely seen your name around here before :)

Wipqozn

@Powerlord Doesn't Ubisoft do that a lot?

Powerlord

> War on PC gamers continues: Ubisoft misled on From Dust DRM

Simon Sheehan

6:02 PM

Ubisoft makes and works with a LOT of games

Wipqozn

@SimonSheehan I would say I've seen yours, but your avatar is what grabs my attention. You know, since your avatar is awesome.

Powerlord

@Wipqozn Ubisoft just spent the last several weeks promising that From Dust won't require a constant Internet connection.

Turns out it does.

Wipqozn

I was thinking about buying From Dust, but not now.

Powerlord

Even better, Ubisoft is trying to erase the evidence they ever said it.

Simon Sheehan

@Wipqozn Haha, thanks!

@Powerlord Huge turn off from buying the game now :/

Powerlord

6:04 PM

It's a shame Rock, Paper, Shotgun took a screenshot.

Wipqozn

I don't actually mind the constant internet connection myself, but to lie to everyone about it? That's just not right.

Lazers

0

Q: What use is a shield on my back?

In Mount and Blade Warband, A shield, when not held in hand, is worn on the back. Does this have any benefits, or is it purely cosmetic? I may have seen something like "Arrow hit shield on back", but in the middle of a battle, I may have merged two sentences together.

Simon Sheehan

It's not a huge issue if you have available bandwidth

for some though, it could be

Powerlord

The thing is, I'm way more likely to play a single player game if my connection is down.

I mean, I have to do something when I can't play TF2, right? ;)

Simon Sheehan

Good point there.

Powerlord

6:08 PM

(I say this as I'm 3/4 of the way through Metroid Prime 2)

Simon Sheehan

While waiting for Tf2 updates ive been playing mass effect....and on my 7th run of Metal Gear Solid 4

Although our servers rarely go down for over 10 minutes

@Powerlord Is Prime 2 any good? Had my eye on it

Powerlord

@SimonSheehan Well, to an extent Prime 1 was better, but it's still a pretty good game.

iamserious

Hello there!

Powerlord

The most annoying thing is that certain areas have a constant health drain until very late in the game.

@iamserious Why so serious?

iamserious

@Powerlord, hah, I had that coming, didn't I?

Nick

6:16 PM

@Powerlord Metroid in 3D scoffs

Simon Sheehan

@Powerlord Gotcha. I'll probably get Infamous 2 first

Powerlord

@Nick It works pretty well.

Wipqozn

@iamserious Yes, yes you did.

iamserious

Guys, I was wondering what projector would be good for my xbox gaming needs.. any ideas?

3

Wipqozn

Wow.

iamserious

6:17 PM

@Wipqozn, well, this account was created on stackoverflow first, it flew from there to here so the name is stuck now!

Powerlord

@SimonSheehan Do you have a GameCube or Wii? If Wii, you might be able to find Prime Trilogy and get all 3 games with pointer controls. While the pointer controls can sometimes be annoying, certain enemies are a lot easier with them.

Wipqozn

@iamserious Thank you for asking this in chat, and not as a qusetion :)

Simon Sheehan

@Powerlord Got my handy dandy Wii, when it first came out :)

Nick

@Powerlord I want to play them. But I have an instinctive gag reaction to the very idea of metroid in 3D.

iamserious

um, sorry, I already asked this as a question, sorry! someone there pointed me here...

Wipqozn

6:18 PM

oh, never mind then :P

Simon Sheehan

I have to say

Nick

Heh

Simon Sheehan

The metal gear solid 3D looks REALLY good

Powerlord

@iamserious Sadly, I know very little about projectors

Simon Sheehan

Nicely revamped graphics for a classic game

Wipqozn

6:19 PM

Yeah, I can't help you either. Wish I could.

iamserious

hm.. me too, that's why I'm here! Oh well!

Powerlord

@SimonSheehan Well, he meant 3D as in non-2D. :P

Wipqozn

I'll star you message though, someone might see it.

Simon Sheehan

@Powerlord Ah okay :P

iamserious

Any Assassin's Creed fans here?

or Gears of War fans?

Mana ಠдಠ

6:19 PM

I've played both! Totally fun.

Although I preferred AC to GoW

iamserious

@Mana, yea you bet!

Powerlord

@Nick I think they're fun. Of course, it helps that you have the 3D equivalent of Super Metroid's Xray from the start of the game.

iamserious

I loved both, they're different games, can't really compare them

Mana ಠдಠ

yeah

Wipqozn

I enjoy AC, but not a fan of GoW.

Nick

6:20 PM

I loved that Metroid-style 2.5d XBLA game...

What was it...

iamserious

Dave?

Mana ಠдಠ

I tend to enjoy non-linear games a lot more in general though

@Nick Shadow Complex

That!

@iamserious Yes?

6:20 PM

Shadow Complex was awesome.

Nick

It felt really great, like upgraded Metroid

Powerlord

The biggest problem with the Metroid Prime games is that they're a LOT longer than the side scrolling Metroid games.

iamserious

oh lol, I did not realize there was a Dave here, I was joking by making a "Dangerous Dave" suggestion to Nick

Wipqozn

I never played Shadow Complex, heard positive things though.

Dave McClelland

@iamserious Ah, all right. No problem

iamserious

6:22 PM

alright guys, I'll take my quest elsewhere - typical gamer phrase eh? Ta!

Dave McClelland

One of the curses of having a very common name, I suppose

@iamserious good luck!

Mana ಠдಠ

Sorry we couldn't be more helpful! :(

Wipqozn

With any luck someone will see your message starred over there and be able to help.

You can always come by at another time and ask as well.

Nick

Is there a hardware SE site yet?

Wipqozn

I don't think so, no.

Powerlord

6:23 PM

@Nick: The other thing about Metroid Prime is that the Scan Visor (which is a bit like the Super Metroid scan thingy as I mentioned earlier) is also used to gain lore and stuff about the game. It's optional, but as I recall, it unlocks stuff if you get 50% and 100% of scans. Which includes technology, enemies, bosses, space pirate computer consoles...

Mana ಠдಠ

Electronics? shrugs

Lazers

-1

Q: suggest a good projector for gaming

I am not really sure if I am in the right place to ask this question, if not, please feel free to move it to where it belongs. I am looking to buy a good projector for my gaming needs. I don't have a tv, The one screen I had, I broke it out of frustration, I threw my xbox 360 controller right in...

xbox-360

1

Q: Who is the assassin at the end of The Witcher?

OK, I figured out that the Grandmaster was actually Alvin. That wasn't hard. But who was the assassin in the end animation? I mean both the king and Gerald shared a weird look after Gerald unmasked him. So was that just because the problems didn't end, or was it someone from the story-line?

spoiler plot the-witcher

Nick

Maybe it lends to shopping too well.

Wipqozn

Is there even a proposal for one? looks in area 51

Powerlord

Metroid Prime 2 is a little more lenient by not having things like Map Stations that you have to scan before you manage to use all of them.

Mana ಠдಠ

6:23 PM

Metroid prime was awesome.

Nick

@Powerlord You're making this really hard. I may have to pick it up this weekend.

Powerlord

@Nick There is one problem... Metroid Prime and Metroid Prime Trilogy are both out of print.

(Metroid Prime 3 isn't... go figure)

Wipqozn

@Powerlord Don't remind me :(

Powerlord

I managed to snag Metroid Prime Trilogy when it was still in stores. \o/

Nick

Hmm

I think I borrowed it from a friend a while back

And never got around to playing

Trilogy, that is

Wipqozn

6:26 PM

@Nick this and this

actually, will those post?

54

Technology Recommendations

Proposed Q&A site for users who understand the technology they need, but need practical solutions/recommendations from experienced users, relating to computer hardware, software, electronics, web technologies and any other technology related fields.

Currently in definition.

18

Consumer Electronics

Proposed Q&A site for enthusiasts and users of electronic items (computers, mobile phones, batteries, etc.). Ask any question that relates to usage and features of consumer electronics.

Currently in definition.

Nick

They might not fly, like gadgets:

Electronic Gadgets – gadgets.stackexchange.com

Q&A site for consumer electronics gadget, gizmo, and doohickey enthusiasts

Closed after 63 days in beta.

Powerlord

I don't know why Nintendo made MPT a collector's edition.

Technically, it was the first game they did that on.

Super Mario Anniversary (or whatever it was called) was the other one they did that with.

Wipqozn

I don't see them working either. Too narrow a focus.

Plus I can see a lot of them just being recommendation sites, which doesn't work well for a Q&A format.

anyways

I'm going home

goodbye all

Powerlord

@Wipqozn Stop trying to make me jealous! I'm stuck here for 3 more hours.

Dave McClelland

@Powerlord You're clearly working terribly hard

:)

Powerlord

6:31 PM

@DaveMcClelland Of course!

Technically, I'm supposed to be looking into how hard it is to convert our current Subversion (1.4?) Java projects over to TFS, and what we'll need installed to do it.

Dave McClelland

@Powerlord Oh dear. I've heard that setting up TFS is a total nightmare

Powerlord

@DaveMcClelland TFS is already set up by the .NET side.

Nick

TFS?

Dave McClelland

@Powerlord Ahh, then maybe it won't be that bad

@Nick Team foundation server

Powerlord

@Nick Team Fortress Server... er... I mean Team Foundation Server.

Nick

6:33 PM

@Powerlord I expected as much from you

That sounds like a nightmare, but I promised myself I wouldn't get into any more git vs. (other vcs) arguments anymore

Powerlord

Anyway, I think I need to use Team Explorer Everywhere to create TFS projects that can call Maven to do builds... because Maven is our dependency resolver.

Good thing I have an MSDN account.

I don't know if I need sp1 or not, though. It'd suck if sp1 required your TFS server to be SP1, too.

Lazers

2

Q: Does hugging Leonardo da Vinci yield any benefits?

I just recently arrived in Venice in Assassin's Creed 2 (PC version) and started the first mission where a man gives me and Leonardo da Vinci a quick tour of Venice. At the end, there is a cut-scene with a quick-time event. Leonardo da Vinci initiates a hug and the game prompts you to push a butt...

assassins-creed-2

FallenAngelEyes

Hey guys

Dave McClelland

@FallenAngelEyes Hey, how's gamescon going?

FallenAngelEyes

All done for today. Finally got to play the Guild Wars 2 demo though and chitchat with more ArenaNet staff so I'm pretty happy

Powerlord

6:46 PM

@FallenAngelEyes Hey. Did you harass Capcom yet? ;)

FallenAngelEyes

Haha no, most of the day today was spent standing in lines

Brant

12

Q: How does light spread in Minecraft?

I understand that light levels decrease by 1 each block farther away from the source you get, but is that measured diagonally as well as along the axes? Another way of asking this is: does a light source illuminate a square area around it or a diamond-shaped area? Also, does light spread around ...

minecraft

FallenAngelEyes

It was also a lot cooler temperature wise here today so I don't feel nearly as dead

Brant

What's the deal with the bounty? The answer seems pretty definitive to me.

FallenAngelEyes

tomorrow is supposed to be 29C though and it's supposed to be the busiest day :(

Dave McClelland

6:52 PM

@Brant I got the impression the person offered it to get the badge for offering a bounty

@Brant Especially since they never actually posted on the question

Whoops, sorry @FallenAngelEyes

FallenAngelEyes

Think you mispin---yeah, haha

@Grace I have 4 shirts left and about half the stickers, should be able to give the rest out on Sat and Sun :)

Grace Note

@FallenAngelEyes Nice!

FallenAngelEyes

tomorrow's supposed to be the busiest day

Dave McClelland

@GraceNote I replied to your comment on my Meta post. How do I see which of my posts have been flagged?

Grace Note

@DaveMcClelland No functionality, just knowing how much was actually deleted.

Dave McClelland

6:57 PM

@GraceNote Oh. Only one post was deleted

Grace Note

Hum

Dave McClelland

I thought there was some more complicated way to do it

FallenAngelEyes

gonna shower and relax a bit, will be back later to start on blog post!

Dave McClelland

In fact, it's not even showing up as (deleted) in the transcripts

Brant

A couple of those pinned messages over on the right have been in the list for over a week. How am I supposed to see the stuff that's actually been starred on my lame 1024px monitor with our huge room description?</whine>

Dave McClelland

7:01 PM

@GraceNote Are mods able to see chat messages that have deleted?

Grace Note

@DaveMcClelland Not in the transcript, but through the UI otherwise, yes

Dave McClelland

@GraceNote Interesting. Just curious, really

Nick T

@Nick change your name, kthx

:P

Brett White Ψ

7:16 PM

how's it going?

Mana ಠдಠ

Awesome, yo.

Just went swiiiiimmmiiiiing

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ Is it possible to sign up for the grant as a fill-in? As in, I'm not extremely excited for it, but I'd play Madden since we'll likely have a lot of questions about it

@BrettWhite But if there are other people who are more enthusiastic with lower rep, I'd much rather it go to them instead

Lazers

0

Q: Need clarification on the rules of caravan. (I know the basics)

I have played 18 games of caravan now.... well actually I save the gas before I play, so it has been triple that or more because every time I loose, I load the game and try again. Anyways, I understand the game pretty well. However, everywhere the rule states you need 2 caravans outbidding the op...

fallout caravan

Brett White Ψ

@DaveMcClelland Yeah I think in that case, if you don't want to play it, wait for one to come along that you are excited about. Especially if there are lower rep users that wnat it.

@DaveMcClelland I guess. I am wary about making everything 1500+ rep, just because that favors older users.

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ I only mention it since there currently aren't 10 people signed up. Though there probably will be by next time tuesday, I would hope

Brett White Ψ

7:21 PM

Oh yeah, well, if there aren't 10 people signed up by next Tuesday, then by all means, do a swoop in!

That's the term for that now, a swoop in

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ I'm going to be on vacation all next week, so I won't be able to check back. I'll comment on it and mention that I'm interested, but only as a swoop in

Brett White Ψ

@DaveMcClelland Excellent. Yeah, do whatever you can to remind me so that I can put you on the list if it isn't at 10 on Tuesday.

Comment works fine

I also think that after this week the way the games are chosen will have to change. I don't think we realized how much 10 games a week costs :/

It might have to go to like, only the Big Games that people are super pumped to play. OR maybe 3-5 users get a game a week

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ Yeah, I figured 10 was costing more than you expected :)

Brett White Ψ

All still in testing mode! Trial phase! I am up for suggestions, definitely

@DaveMcClelland Yup! I did the math today and was like "Yep, if I do this every week for the rest of 2011, that's 90% of my budget"

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ There's some things to consider, definitely. If we end up going with only 5 games and giving it out based on descending rep, there will be a couple handfuls of people getting all the games

Arda Xi

7:26 PM

@Powerlord At work.

Brett White Ψ

@DaveMcClelland Yeah exactly. I would probably, or definitely, track who gets games so that that doesn't happen and it is distributed evenly

Dave McClelland

Maybe limiting users to one game every month or two to ensure they're only signing up for games they're really interested in?

Brett White Ψ

Like, only 1 game per user every 3-6 months or something?

@DaveMcClelland Exactly!

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ Seems reasonable

Either way, I think the grant promo is an awesome idea in general

Powerlord

@ArdaXi Pssh, sure you are.

Arda Xi

7:28 PM

@Powerlord Were.

At the time I was at work.

I just came back.

Powerlord

Oh, and if Team Fortress 3 ever comes up, sign me up automatically.

Dave McClelland

@Powerlord Well duh

Arda Xi

@Powerlord What's a '3'?

Dave McClelland

@ArdaXi Valve doesn't have any concept of '3' - they operate in base 3, after all

That statement doesn't make much sense the way it reads, but people who are nerds will get it

Lazers

0

Q: Are you going to PAX Prime Aug. 26-28th?

In response to the NYCC thread, I am trying to get something together for the users venturing to Seattle for PAX Prime. With it being under a week away, it's too late for us to offer free tickets to the convention and get show specific merchandise created. What we can do, however, includes the fo...

discussion conferences

Arda Xi

7:30 PM

@DaveMcClelland So then the next installment is Team Fortress 10?

Brett White Ψ

@Lazers If you are going, BTW, I also came in here to field suggestions about what we can do, for the peeps that are going

Ivo Flipse

@BrettWhiteΨ I agree some rate-limiting is important, though if a user constantly manages to make good use of the sponsored game, it would be counter-productive to not give him a game

Dave McClelland

@ArdaXi Exactly

@ArdaXi Also - nerd!

Arda Xi

@DaveMcClelland I got it from Portal.

2 + 2 = bzzt 10.

IN BASE FOUR! I'M FINE!

Dave McClelland

@IvoFlipse I agree with that to a point. But if lower rep users know that they can get free games for participating and getting a higher rep, then spreading the promo games around more can get the community a higher number of active users

Powerlord

7:32 PM

@ArdaXi That was a typo. I meant Team Fortress 10.

Dave McClelland

In the short term, we might be missing out on some potential for getting useful answers, but more active users is definitely good in the long term

Brett White Ψ

Good points both, @IvoFlipse and @DaveMcClelland . It might be a combo of rep plus how much content you generate for getting the game and playing it

Although that seems kinda "paying for questions"y to me. Still trying to walk that line.

Dave McClelland

@BrettWhiteΨ It's paying to improve the community. Nothing wrong with that

Ivo Flipse

@BrettWhiteΨ its better than throwing stuff at random people and hoping its sticks

@BrettWhiteΨ I do think the 10 games might become problematic in the blockbuster season though ^^

Brett White Ψ

@IvoFlipse Yeah, 10 games is going to become a LOT less soon.

Nick

7:40 PM

@NickT I'm the one who gets all the mis-mentions

Nick T

@BrettWhite is the ThinkGeek merch going to be stack-exchange branded?

Powerlord

> On Tuesday, HP was talking to the Wall Street Journal about putting WebOS in stoves, fridges and cars. By Thursday, HP didn't even want to put WebOS into smartphones and tablets.

Brant

8:01 PM

Looks like all my hard work ignoring WebOS finally paid off.

Tweeted by joehewitt on August 18, 2011 at 8:24 PM

'nuff said.

Powerlord

HP seems to be going through an identity crisis.

Seriously, they're ditching their PC division, despite being the #1 company in PC sales worldwide.

Brant

Yeah, it's....strange.

Was IBM's PC division profitable before they sold it to Lenovo?

Powerlord

@Brant I think so. Back before IBM sold their PC division, Thinkpads used to be one of the more popular laptop brands... iirc even above the Macbook line.

Mana ಠдಠ

0

Q: Need clarification on the rules of caravan. (I know the basics)

I have played 18 games of caravan now.... well actually I save the gas before I play, so it has been triple that or more because every time I loose, I load the game and try again. Anyways, I understand the game pretty well. However, everywhere the rule states you need 2 caravans outbidding the op...

fallout caravan

In regards to this question, for some background, it was originally posted as an answer on the other Caravan question.

I told him that in the future to ask a question he should use the Ask Question button...which he uh did.

I'm not sure if his question goes over material that was answered in the other question since I don't play FO:NV

Gilles

0

Q: Game crash and runtime issues with Wine

I am running Ubuntu 11.04 on a Sony Vaio. I am using wine 1.3 to run a rather complex yet archaic gaming program, "Pirates of the Caribbean" (2003; not based off the movie). I started it up and after five minutes it crashed. I unplugged the computer, and when I tried to run the program it crashed...

linux wine games

Powerlord

8:13 PM

@Manaಠдಠ Well, it says +1 Card +1 Action. Because it's a Duration card, it also has text for your next turn (+1 Card).

Mana ಠдಠ

Yo @Gilles.

Powerlord

Oh wait... that's Caravan in the Dominion card game, not Fallout.

Gilles

@Gilles Someone's having trouble running a game in Wine, maybe the real expertise is here

Mana ಠдಠ

hmmm. Not sure if it should stay on U/L or go to Gaming.

Powerlord

Oh, yay. Wine.

aka the program that reminded me why I use Windows as the OS to run games.

Mana ಠдಠ

8:17 PM

You have to admit it's pretty awesome that you can run even a single Windows game on Linux.

Gilles

@Manaಠдಠ Given that It crashes in windows as well it might get moved to Super User

Powerlord

@Manaಠдಠ The last time I tried using Wine (on... Ubuntu 9.10, I think), I mismapped one of the drives, tried to fix it, broke it even worse, and aptitude purging wine and reinstalling wine wouldn't let me reconfigure it, nor would deleting the .wine (iirc) directory in my /home/powerlord directory.

aptitude purge is supposed to blow away all configuration files, and clearly it wasn't.

Mana ಠдಠ

@Gilles If it gets moved to Super User I can almost guarantee you it's going to get moved to here.

Man, now I need to watch SU's homepage, too...?

Arda Xi

I'm still surprised with the reaction people got for editing old questions. I mean, when I edited a batch of old questions literally just to get rep, nobody complained.

Powerlord

@ArdaXi er... you get rep for editing questions? :P

I mean, above 1000 rep that is?

Arda Xi

8:26 PM

@Powerlord No, the questions were ones where I had an accepted answer.

Editing the question leads to bumping it, which leads to users opening it, which leads to them upvoting me.

It was quite an elaborate scheme.

Brant

My favorite kind of edits.

Powerlord

See, now I'm wondering if one or both people involved in that argument in English got suspended.

Mana ಠдಠ

It seems Chaos was the only one suspended.

Brant

Am I missing drama?

Mana ಠдಠ

Unless we're thinking of different arguments

@Brant Some stuff in the ELU chat got flagged

Brant

8:30 PM

Oh, the chat

Powerlord

Question: If I flag a chat message for Moderator attention, is it just that site's moderators that see it?

Brant

In chat? No, all network-wide-10k+ers who are online see it.

Powerlord

@Brant Spam/Offensive is 10k users, I know. But is Moderator Attention?

Gilles

@Powerlord All SE mods see it

Arda Xi

@Powerlord I don't think so.

Brant

8:34 PM

Oh, I didn't even realize there were two kinds of flags in chat. That's interesting.

Arda Xi

But every moderator sees it.

Not just the ones for your site. If you flag something for moderator attention in a Cooking room and @badp is online, he will also get the flag.

Powerlord

@ArdaXi I suspected as much, just wanted to confirm it.

@Brant Moderator Attention allows you to list a reason.

Gilles

I've never seen a flagged message on my site, but I get plenty of flag notifications. Usually for English.

Powerlord

Whereas Offensive/Spam doesn't.

Arda Xi

@Powerlord As you are well aware, moderatorship isn't limited by site on chat.

@Powerlord It's because Spam/Offensive means 'delete this' while moderator attention could also be 'edit this' or even 'pin this' (although that might be abuse of the feature).

Brant

8:37 PM

What the hell?

I don't even.

Mana ಠдಠ

@Brant Black magic.

Lazers

0

Q: If self-muling does it make sense to start with a Barbarian?

I read that Barbarians are able to attain the very highest Magic Find rating possible. Thus some people will use them to that purpose and dress other characters from the gear found. In the context of playing on Battle.Net closed games, taking the risk of self muling (drop log out A, log in B, p...

strategy diablo-2

0

Q: Who is Brigit in Fall from Heaven 2

In the Civ IV mod Fall from Heaven 2, there are a number of "Uniques Features" on the map. One of them is called thr Ring of Carcer, a magic ring holding an angel called Brigit. The tooltip only says that a level 15 unit can enter the ring, but nothing about what happen when a unit enter. Is Brig...

mod civilization-4 fall-from-heaven-2

Brant

Seriously, what the hell?

I am either missing something very obvious or something very strange.

Mana ಠдಠ

Something tells me DateTime.Now is returning you a very large value

or a weird value

Brant

DateTime.Now is just a plain old System.DateTime

Powerlord

8:40 PM

@Brant Why does it say "let" where there should be a variable type? ;)

Brant

It's a LINQ statement.

Part of one, anyway.

Arda Xi

Method chaining is so much more clear.

I like how easy it is to write plain LINQ, but I always convert it to a method chain.

Wipqozn

@BrettWhite you around?

Brant

@ArdaXi I usually do too, but expression syntax is great if you need to just do a simple projection.

Powerlord

I just assume the let thing is changing the variable type.

Arda Xi

8:45 PM

@Brant It's like I said, it's great to write, but hard to understand.

Brant

from widget in widgets
select new DataTransferObject {
This = widget.thing,
That = widget.otherThing
}

Powerlord

I mean, that's all I can assume. Clearly when it's a Double in the linq statement, it's working fine.

and casting to an int should also be fine, so where's the -18 coming from?

Brant

Exactly.

Arda Xi

@Brant widgets.Select(w => new DataTransferObject { This = w.thing, That = w.otherThing});

Much clearer, IMO.

Brant

Yeah, but when you have enough properties it gets to be really long, so you have to break it into multiple lines, at which point it's just nicer to use an expression instead

it just looks nicer to me. anything nontrivial is done with method syntax though.

Arda Xi

8:49 PM

For me, LINQ is too much like English. It distracts from code. If you're reading C# and all of a sudden you have to decipher LINQ it's like you're reading a whole new language.

(Which you kind of are)

Mana ಠдಠ

This is how you deal with other people touching your iPad.

Brant

Sometimes I even mix the two, like this:

Powerlord

I try to avoid LINQ when I can. Since I don't do a lot with .NET, that's actually pretty easy.

Arda Xi

twitches

@Brant You're the reason we can't have nice things.

@Powerlord LINQ is absolutely brilliant if you know how to use it properly.

Brant

What's wrong with that?

Powerlord

8:51 PM

If I'm going to mess with DB stuff in .NET, I'm more likely to use Entity Framework first.

Brant

Beats the hell out of foreach.

Arda Xi

@Powerlord Err... LINQ does that.

Brant

Linq is just a way of working with collections. The backing store can be all sorts of different things.

in-memory objects, a database (i.e. linq-to-sql or EF), xml, etc

Arda Xi

What I like most about LINQ is that I write the same code whether it's in a database or in-memory.

Brant

Well, if you're hitting a database you still have to think about exactly what you're asking for, like you always do

but it's amazing for when you've got a list/array/collection/enumerable and you want to do something with it.

Which is all the freaking time.

Transcript for