I laughed a lot at the sodium joke. @snailboat Thank you very much.

@Martin I bet it's because of @santiago.

I don't get the reference

I think his lolliment has affected us all.

You have to admit, he is fun to hang around

Yeah. He's a phun guy. And I didn't come up with anything that solves the correction issue about the tag name.

Nevermind, that is a topic for other times

That would probably require a chat session with the active chem users

Yeah. Right now it seems like doing a homework that I don't like to do.

Which makes me not so productive about reaching an aqueous solution.

the more I think about, the more I think just extending the scope will do the trick

haha...

aqueous solution

a classic

you know.... alcohol is not a solution except when it is

Oh really?!

I thought it was a solution when it wasn't.

@Martin A question:

Should I learn TeX?

There is a popular saying: 'Alcohol is not the solution.'

@MARamezani YES

So, should I use emacs or Vim?

And look at the markdown, there is more markdown than I would use in a single post on the network.

@MARamezani That is like asking a christian, if you should be baptised.

Are you a christian?

Or an alcoholic if s/he wants another beer

@MARamezani I was raised that way, but I think religion is too complicated

So should I be baptised?

Hmm, Martin I'm frankly confused.

That depends only on yourself: Do you want to be baptised?

Haha, I don't want to confuse you

What is TeXlive/MiKTeX? How do they differ from IDEs like Vim?

Please learn tex

To get the answer?

Hang on, I have a call, be back in a minute

K okay.

Okay I am back

I am not an expert on TeX just a user

@MARamezani I came here to say that neither Manish nor Google is correct in translating, it depends on what your local people understand it's purpose. In my case it meant as a slang with the first word of "jandu balm" see here zanduayurveda.com/products/28/zandu-balm.php

So I don't know what's going on under the hood

@Martin What is TeXlive?

Do I have to have it to TeX?

@MARamezani you're busy, read it at your own time, bye 11:56 studying group 15 (N,P,As,Sb,Bi)

TeX/LaTeX is the engine, that compiles your document, the basic core, you can see it like an operating system. You need it.

@ADG Bye.

@ADG byebye

@MARamezani Texlive is the standard distribution

@Martin So it's either in the form of a TeXlive thingy and/or MiKTeX?

Aha.

So after installing it I'll install Vim and start learning?

MikTex is as far as I know a distribution, that was optimised for windows operating systems

What operating system are you using? @MARamezani

@Martin Had trouble downloading it. :(

@Martin Windows 8.

I guess you should get texniccenter.org

and miktex then

you might need some dependencies, but i am not sure

I am a linux guy

Wouldn't they "clash"?

I installed TeXlive already.

Okay, then you need to set it up

you probably find much better help at tex.se

@Martin Set it up?

I did something that was like the installation process.

Yes, how to use a proper editor and the binaries

texlive installs the program to compile tex, the binaries

you need to write your files

I know.

How should I know if things would work?

basically you can do that with any editor, even the built-in notepad

I believe there is a how to on tex.se

that should tell you exactly what to do for windows

@Martin I've passed that part of tutorial learning HTML.

VIm and EMACS are input editors, linux users have their preferences

I can recommend texnic centre for windows, i used it a long time ago, it worked very well, it has a lot of shortcuts and help

K let's see.

you just need to configure the paths to the executables and it should work

tex is awesome, it makes writing a whole new dimension of fun

I know. I love to write small and big and colorful.

I'm one of the guys who liked the ready environment of MS word,

especially when I saw HTML,

but I always felt some restriction to it.

Well, tex is back to the roots... you tell the program what to do and then it does it

there is no what you see is what you get

I have no experience, but the intermediate is lyx: lyx.org

@Martin Aha, so lyx makes TeX WYSIWYG?

I guess that's what it is, but you can still use the power of tex

you can still define own commands and stuff happening behind the wysiwyg

but i have not tried it

I'm now looking for the executables.

i am a purist when it comes to tex

My C directory is a waste basket!

they should be somewhere in /texmf/bin

depending on where you installed texlive

or maybe texlive/<year>/bin/<os>

I am guessing here

Hmm...

Is latex.exe it?

that is latex, it gives you dvi output, that has to be converted to ps and/or pdf

@Martin It's something in /bin alright, named win32.

Full of exes.

look for pdftex

I think that's it right?

you can make pdf directly

It's there.

depend on which profile you want to use

Profile?

most of the times pdftex is preferable for linking in the document

I'm setting it up.

Let's see.

What is this?

> Enter the command line option, that causes the viewer to diplay the paragraph belonging to a given source line. Use the placeholders:

I don't get what it does.

Percent sign?

wow...

i really can't help you there

Isn't percent sign the comment thingy in LaTeX/TeX?

I don't know anything about windows

yes it is

Hmm, the following profiles will be created:

LaTeX to DVI

which editor?

LaTeX to DVI to PDF

texnic?

@Martin yep.

okay... just let it do her magic

LaTeX to PDF

LaTeX to PS

Blah blah.

I think I'm good.

should wurk

Thanks Martin for all the HALP!

@MARamezani Whenever I can

Sorry, I was on meta right now (-.-)

Now all I need is to press f5 and get errors.

Haha... setting up a tex document is not easy

@Martin I wonder if filetype:tex works on google.

I remember my first tries... it was hard

probably

@Martin It's always hard.

It's damn programming we're talking about here. :}

try some of the mwe on tex.se

they should work, let me find a simple one

that's harder than i thought

Hehe!

have a look here: meta.tex.stackexchange.com/q/228/33413

it is how you compose a mwe, but it's not a mwe itself

Maybe that will help more: electronics.oulu.fi/latex/examples/example_1

The tex community is very helpful...

that's how I came about to end up here

Hmm, compiling this:

@MARamezani I think, after you read all that and the references within, you should take a long rest ;) But you also kind of know what is going on.

I get an error: There are no such files.

That'll work

ohhh

did you safe the file?

Yeah. I saved it in desktop.

hmmm... I really don't know

It's not easy, the trouble shooting when not sitting in front of the pc

Wait. I saved it as .tex.

Should I save it as .pdf?

nope... the pdf is created by latex

So?

you can try latex without install at overleaf: overleaf.com/blog/…

i am sorry, but i gotta sleep now... it's already five here O.O

more like -.- now

Bye!

I'll figure sth out.

Good luck

once you have set it up, it should work fine

see ya soon