@slm yep, that's not possible

It's a trap that I keep falling into.....

What is he even asking for?

a favorites manager

Did you guys know there is an emacs proposal on Area 51?

I didn't see @terdon or @Gilles in the commit list.

@Seth ... just why...

emacs lisp is on topic in SO and here :/

@Braiam shrug. It is a big topic, but why? I don't know.

@Braiam that's a pretty bad argument, all the AU questions would be on-topic here (except for a few Canonical related ones) :P

@Seth and LP, and Ubuntu Touch, and ... and...

juju?

UT is still Linux, but you have a point about LP.

juju would be on-topic, it's software.

maybe in SF

wait, is Juju on topic in SF?

depends, I've used juju and my questions wouldn't be welcomed on SF so..

@Braiam I guess if you use it in a professional environment?

yeah, as long as is professional... btw, I have 400 rep in SF... dunno why

SE sites are best when they're positioned at a 10-30k foot view. These ultra niche SE sites are just taking away from what most apps such as vim/emacs already have.

btw, if you guys want any of these mint questions go ahead and flag 'em for migration.

Most of the time I'm recycling A'ers from the vim wikia site here when ppl ask 8-)

haha :P

@slm You do have a point there.

I love the SE model but it has its place, I'd rather leave those communities alone, they're just making the developers have to watch here + in their original site. Often I'll direct users from here to those types of sites. Esp. for filing a bug or asking a pointed Q about X.

I guess the Area 51 will prove this all out

@slm Agreed. We already get too many specialist questions here, which would be better asked on the relevant mailing list / irc channel whatever. As I regularly point out.

Emacs is a bit specialist. I don't know if that is a good idea. On the other hand, there is currently no good place on the web for archiving emacs related info. There is an emacs wiki, but the SE model works better, imo.

Then again, tex is a bit specialist, and tex.sx is a raving success. Possibly the most successful SE site overall.

OTOH the emacs wiki doesn't depend on a proprietary site which could disappear anytime.

Wow, the emacs proposal hit 200 commitment in 5 days?

Not to mention hordes of upvoted questions.

Here is someone making an explicit parallel with TeX.

Hmm.

@FaheemMitha - thanks for the link. I left a couple of comments. Looking at the count of Q's across the various SE sites it seems ridiculous that we'd create emacs as an SE site for ~13k Q's of which 11k are on SO and 1K are on SU.

There are two different user or single user having two different profile might cross posted this on Superuser & this on Unix-Linux.

@slm Yes, I saw them. You write:

However, I think the term "nice" might be disputed. I think you should take the following into consideration. (a) That the commitment phrase was passed so fast suggests there is a real perceived need and support for this site. (b) judging from the comments it sounds like prominent members of the emacs community are behind this (c) maybe people are not asking just any emacs question on SE, because they feel constrained by it being a programming site.

They would however be more likely to ask general emacs questions on an emacs themed site. The similarlties with TeX are possibly significant. Notice I mentioned TeX before I saw someone else make the comparison.

I note tex.sx currently has 71k questions.

Yes, emacs.sx would be even smaller. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.

Yeah, a dedicated site for emacs arcana might not be a bad idea. emacs Qs get lost on SO, a question only stays on the front page for a few seconds there. If there were a real community movement behind it, it could work.

If it has the actual community members for Emacs involved in it and they want it then do it. But if we're just slicing off the ~13k Q's from the existing sites b/c ppl think it's too hard to find them, then don't.

@slm It's really hard to say who is really behind it till it starts. Do I need to add myself as commitment to be in on the private beta?

@terdon ^^

As I said already, the only thing remotely comparable to this on the web is the Emacs Wiki, and one could think of an Emacs SE site as being a complement to that.

@Pandya Thank you very much for bringing this to our attention. I'll take care of it.

@FaheemMitha Yup.

@slm Since there's an answer here, I'd close the one on SU and keep ours.

OK, can you close the one on SU?

Or shall I just VtC there?

I only have a 2.6k rep there

@terdon - which reason shall I use there to close it?

mods attn?

did a custom to mods

@slm Sorry, was away, did you flag it?

yeah I flagged it

you have 20k rep there, you can check, right?

@slm Sure, I'll deal with it. As soon as the SU one is closed, I'll reopen ours. OK?

@terdon just poke the dog :P

@Braiam Yup, that's what I'm doing :)

about the Emacs thingy, maybe it need a chance

@terdon I already reopened ours and updated the comment stating the other was a cross-post and that we were going to have that one closed 8-)

@Braiam am I the dog in that comment? 8-)

@Braiam It looks like it is getting that chance. :-) Are you an Emacs user?

@slm Nope, he meant journeymangeek, an SU mod.

why is he the dog?

the avatar pic?

I asked this question in an attempt to answer this question.

Actually, there is a lot to be said for smaller sites. tex.sx works really, really, well. It may represent some kind of magical sweet spot for Q/A sites. A system and a topic that fit well together. Everyone who has contact with tex.sx has the same reaction - hugs and kisses. Not a typical reaction to a Q/A site. SO for example, is maybe just too big and impersonal. Smaller sites have more of a chance to foster community spirit.

Is it possible to merge the answer of my question to the original question?

@Ramesh It's possible but not a good idea. Yours was specific to zmv while the OP of the other is using bash. If we merge, Gnouc's answer will seem out of place. Why not post your own answer?

@Ramesh - you want gnoucs' A merged with that Q?

yeah leave them alone, I saw both and viewed them as discrete Q&A's

hadn't seen steeldriver in a bit, hope he stays

Looks like the Emacs community is coming out in support in a big way. 10/11 new commits in the last hour.

I just added myself.

I like how journeymangeek's sockpuppet is an aibo. That's hillarious.

For some reason it says referred by Seth. Something about they way I connected to the Area 51 site?

@FaheemMitha Yes, you used the URL he posted.

@terdon Oh, right.

Yes, gilles is not (yet) committed. Though it occurs to me that I don't know whether he is an emacs user. @terdon you use emacs?

Gilles has 1612 rep on Area 51. Bit weird to see a Gilles rep in 4 digits...

Yes and I just committed. And of course Gilles uses emacs! What else could he use?

vim too

he used both 8-)

Lies, slander and lies.

@slm yeah. I thought Gnouc's answer will be a good answer to the original question as well.

that emacs proposal committed super fast

@Ramesh Just take his answer, modify it to fit the original question and post it as an answer there. To be polite, link back to Gnouc's answer.

but for those of you who also committed, take heed of Jon Ericsson's comment in one of the discussion threads:

> If the site mostly consists of Elisp questions or is duplicating content on Stack Overflow, we'll close it down in the private beta.

@terdon Thanks. I will do that.

@casey Fair enough. Though the fact that Joel's committed seems hopeful. Weird though, he's a windows guy.

@terdon more than being polite, an attribution of a derivative work is required under the CC license used here, isnt it?

@terdon emacs does run on windows

@casey I don't think so actually. Since the new content is also CC and this will not be a direct copy. Ramesh would just use the knowledge from Gnouc's answer to post an answer of a different question. Yes, I'd be annoyed if it were me and he did not give me some credit but I don't see how that's needed.

@casey I know. sigh

@terdon good point

If you listen to the SO podcast Joel was very staunch Windows in the beginning and as the site has grown he's changed his tune. He recognizes that the site couldn't exist as it is w/o the Open Source + Unix technologies used throughout.

Jeff's adapted too. The thing that opened there eyes to it was the M$ licensing that they had to deal w/ in the beginning which forced a lot of the structure of the site early on, with staying within a single box for DB and web servers.

@slm yep. There was a thread I saw somewhere about new Xeon 18 core processors coming on the horizon with lots of DBA type guys complaining about what those would do to their licensing costs...

another 300 rep or so an I'll break onto page 3 of the users all-time rep

Huh, I'm surprised you're not. I thought you had more.

And I just noticed that @Braiam's almost at 10k! Well done!

@casey I'd do the same thing...working my way up the pages, keep it up. They're nice milestones to reach.

@slm i would too if I were bound to an MS ecosystem

@casey ha, glad to know that there is someone else also who checks these things :)

Yeah your forced into the model of staying in a single box. At my old job when I heard the prices for the clustering of things I nearly fell out of my chair.

I would check every day, and give myself goals of trying to pass userX by a certain date.

@terdon I'm a bit slow here, only answering sporadically when something catches my eye. Also spread across too many stacks :) I'm almost at 10k on aviation.se and working harder on hitting that number :)

Gilles is still an amazement to me. I have no idea how he's able to do all the SE sites and perform at the highest levels across them. It's truly a testament to his sheer intellect.

I can hang w/ him on 1 site, he's doing like 10-20

@casey Ah, and so you should! Earn that diamond!

@slm it has been a running joke in SU since long ago

I have no socketpuppet but was thinking of making one just so I can see the site as a regular user now.

@casey No kidding. 5 days, or possibly less.

I guess we're all a bunch of fanatics.

@slm I have one. Keep meaning to use it more so it can get enough rep to cast close votes.

@terdon - ah that's an excellent idea. I'd like to still be able to VtC w/o closing it immediately. I've been having to skip them as a result

I know, I keep skipping most things in the queues for example.

@casey That's not cool. What do he mean by "duplicating content on Stack Overflow"? There is bound to be some duplication.

@terdon @slm finding your superpowers to be a nuisance? :-)

@terdon Joel?

Yes oddly enough. It's the damn mobile phones. I can't find a phone booth to change in anywhere.

@FaheemMitha I think the idea is that if the site turns out to be 100% on topic at SO, then it'll be closed as a dup of SO

it needs to span the breadth of the other sites with emacs content to stand alone

@FaheemMitha SE founder.

@terdon Oh, right. Spolsky.

@casey Hmm. You mean all programming questions? That's rather unlikely. Most emacs users don't program in emacs lisp. They just want to do the things they want to do.

There is a lot of expert emacs knowledge out there, but it doesn't get disseminated effecively/efficiently. Maybe this site will help. It has certainly worked for tex.sx. I learnt more in a couple of years hanging out there than the previous 15.

I don't think I've learned all that much for unix.sx, actually. Perhaps, because most of the stuff that I could have learned here, I already knew or didn't want to learn.

@slm I was wondering if you can take a look at what dokter5000 provided me with for a spec file, it seems that the rpmbuild is complaining about the tar command I have used

Post it via pastebin, but I have limited time today. I'm working.

Will do

give me a few, Im spinning up the test env i am using

pastie.org/9559110

Take your time. I likely won't be able to look at it until later tonight.

oooh ok

@terdon :-)

wow, just figured out even MAC address of a machine is not reliable.

@Ramesh Nah, you can set it yourself.

So is there any way to identify a machine reliably as a particular machine?

@Ramesh nope

as long as you have to gather information from the user, nothing is reliable

Yeah. I see this option available to randomly change the mac and IP address.

@Ramesh nope, that easy to spoof. Back when I was in high school (late 90's) we had a machine in the computer lab setup to change its MAC every 10 minutes so they couldn't identify the machine we were using to snoop the network and play with the various logins to department machines we found.

ahh, the days of unmanaged hubs

we only looked... never did change the price of hamburgers or play in the counselors menus to see what could really be done.

@casey that's a nice thing to do. :)

it would have been dumb to do anything. We once accidentally sent an OOB tcp packet to every machine on the network and 10 minutes later were summoned to the head IT person to answer for it. They'd have known it was us.

@casey "us" being the CS undergrads?

will there be a conflict in the network if 2 machines have same MAC address?

@Ramesh yep

@Braiam "us" was myself and 2 friends in high school. We were the "comp sci 3" class and basically given free reign over a computer and did what we felt like for a year.

@Ramesh yes, both machines would think the ethernet frames belong to them, and it might confuse a switch as well

@Ramesh the best you would do is act as a denial of service to the other machine. Neither of you would reliably connect to anything.

but it would have no effect on any other machine

Hey there

could you pls take a look at this unix.stackexchange.com/questions/155504/…

having ipv6 finally turned on is showing me just how much if the internet is not ready for it.

this does not seem to be an answer to my problem :D

@j0chn note the lack of a tiny arrow to the left of my previous comment, indicating it was not a reply to you

@casey ha. I didn't know there is one of these arrows :D