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6:02 PM

Wow, someone who had the balls to recommend Word over LaTeX in public.

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A: Should I learn to use LaTex to write up a History Masters Thesis?

Definitely no. This may sound like a flippant response but it's actually grounded in experience and much thought. I'm in a STEM discipline where LaTeX is considered by faculty to be the ONLY way to do word processing so I've had time to really formulate my viewpoint here. Note: I use Word h...

I don't like downvoting, but was really, really tempted to do so here.

Anthon

I had seen this before a few days ago, somehow gilles' and terdon's gravatars have a matching color brown

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam well said. :-)

Anthon

Faheem Mitha

@derobert hi

derobert

Hey

@FaheemMitha For a history thesis, that doesn't seem so unreasonable...

terdon

6:05 PM

heh, my guitar is the same color as Gilles! Actually, @Anthon, I'm just @Gilles's sock puppet :)

Faheem Mitha

@derobert yes, i guess not. Do you use LateX?

Anthon

@FaheemMitha I have rescued at least 2 people from nervous breakdown as Word completely screwed up their 150+ page thesis', just by moving images around a week before due date.

Rescued them with converting everything to LaTeX that is.

terdon

@FaheemMitha well, it has 3 downvotes so...

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah, I use LaTeX.

Faheem Mitha

@Anthon I thought you were in software.

Was this when you were a grad student?

I personally saw the light around 1999. I still have the email I wrote to a friend about that time.

@derobert Ah

Anthon

6:07 PM

@FaheemMitha yes I was at the university from 1979 to 1992, in parallel I had a 3D software development company.

Faheem Mitha

and @terdon does too. so maybe quite a few people here do.

derobert

I use LaTeX for anything serious. More often than not through LyX nowadays. But I could see doing something in LibreOffice. Especially if it doesn't need math layout.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ok

I use LaTeX for everything. Unless I'm using plain text. Stil a beginner, though.

Anthon

@derobert me too, although for smaller stuff I often use reStructuredText, e.g. with Sphinx. But always markup, otherwise you get What-You-See-Is-All-You've-Got.

Faheem Mitha

Still, I have a hard time imagining myself recommending Word over LaTeX under any circumstances.

Do any of you guys use tex.sx much?

Braiam

6:09 PM

I still have problems on my country to open a docx file... just saying. — Braiam 9 secs ago

Anthon

I was so happy when I got my Atari ST ( 1Mb of memory ) and could run LaTeX at home.

derobert

@Anthon Sometimes that's what you want (e.g., trying to do something where visual layout is very important. Say, a flyer). Other times, its a half-page long, who cares?

terdon

@Braiam you do? Why?

Anthon

I was at tex.sx, but they graduated from Beta and I was not allowed to stick my nose in the review queue anymore :-(

Faheem Mitha

@Anthon Is that bad?

terdon

6:10 PM

@Anthon lol, you have strange hobbies

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam "on my country"? Don't follow.

terdon

@FaheemMitha in case you didn't know: unix.stackexchange.com/users?tab=Editors&filter=all

Faheem Mitha

You a LaTeX user too?

Anthon

@terdon And you don't know half of them

Braiam

@terdon lets just say that "the state/government/schools" uses pirated versions of XP

Faheem Mitha

6:12 PM

@terdon So, Anthon likes to edit?

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Braiam

@FaheemMitha "Word is easier and more universally accepted. Everyone knows what to do with a docx file."

Faheem Mitha

So, to summarize, me, @Anthon, @derobert, @terdon all LaTeX users. anyone else?

@Braiam Right. I just wasn't sure what you meant by "on my country".

terdon

@Braiam so? You don't, and you should be able to open docx in libreoffice right? And, don't tell anyone, but I don't know if I've ever used a non-pirated version of windows or word and could open everything fine

Faheem Mitha

Did you mean in your language? Spanish, right?

Braiam

@terdon yeah, but who else knows about LO? ;)

Faheem Mitha

6:14 PM

btw, i notice mispelling lose as loose is very common. is this variant common in some non-English language, or is it just a easy error to make?

Braiam

I can open almost any file in the earth, the problem is that nobody else do

terdon

@FaheemMitha easy error as far as I know.

Braiam

or bother to learn

Faheem Mitha

@derobert One can make nice flyers with TikZ

@terdon ok

Braiam

@FaheemMitha the country I live on

Faheem Mitha

6:16 PM

@Braiam ok, but what does the country/location have to do with the difficulty of open a doc file?

terdon

@FaheemMitha heh, I had a whole VM with Windows and Office installed just to use PowerPoint to make Posters and finally abandoned it all for a nice LaTeX template.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon TikZ has some overhead, but it is really nice once you have got the basic structure, and it is easy to tweak

plus it makes really handsome graphics

derobert

@FaheemMitha Never tried it. No doubt one can. But I suspect it's a lot harder than using, say, Inkscape or GIMP (or Illustrator or Photoshop). And if you want to work with a designer...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Yes, maybe. But it looks much better.

Well, I've not really used those other things, but I presume we are talking freehand drawing

Braiam

@FaheemMitha I'm not sure you follow, but here it goes: I create a docx file, send it to someone, after a while they call me because they can't open it, I ask what version of office they have, and they answer me 2003

Faheem Mitha

6:18 PM

For scientific illustrations, it works really well

@Braiam ah, so version mismatch issues?

Braiam

@FaheemMitha no, that I'm a geeky guy surrounded of caveman's...

Faheem Mitha

having tex.sx on hand is also really handy. i never realised how little i knew about TeX till I started hanging out there.

derobert

@FaheemMitha By flyer I meant en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flyer_%28pamphlet%29 ... typically don't include many technical illustrations....

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam bummer

@derobert Point taken. Usable even then, though.

derobert

google.com/… .... have fun?

Faheem Mitha

6:21 PM

I remember in the mid 1990s trying to struggle with LaTeX alone. It was quite terrifying. I guess comp.text.tex existed, but I never thought of asking them. And they aren't exactly the same as tex.sx.

derobert

I think doing that kind of graphical design—and typically one-off graphical design—in *TeX is crazy.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert ok, i'll shut up now.

:-)

terdon

@derobert don't even get him started on Lisp :P

derobert

*TeX shines when you want to use a page layout over and over again. Its a fair bit of work to set up a layout, but once you have it, it mostly just works.

So if you're a journal and want all your articles formatted the same, it works real well there.

Etc.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert True

derobert

6:25 PM

Or I have a manual for one of our products here written in LyX/LaTeX, and its very nice that I can export it to simplex or duplex, A4 or US Letter, or even HTML, all from the same source. And it mostly just works.

(Well, except HTML. That one is iffy.)

Faheem Mitha

@derobert yes, html conversion is a weak point. there is tex4ht, but the original maintainer passed away. it seems it is still being maintained, but i'm not sure about the current status

derobert

@FaheemMitha Yeah, I think that's what I'm using...

/me checks Makefile

build/%-web.html build/%-web.aux: build/%-web.tex $(BBs)
        cd build && mk4ht htlatex "$*"-web.tex "html,uni-html4,frames,mouseover,css2,charset=utf-8,info" " -cunihtf -utf8" < /dev/null

So, yes.

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Yes, there aren't a lot of other choices, really.

I once exchanged email with Gurari about tex4ht. He was very helpful. Came back with a patch.

@derobert how does it work for you?

derobert

6:44 PM

@FaheemMitha The output is, errr, usable. Not great, but usable.

The PDFs are much better, of course.

I forget how much weird stuff I'm doing to the input to get to "usable"...

Faheem Mitha

@derobert Ok. I remember it was not great, either. Still a long way better than the alternatives.

I think of the TeX -> html converters, tex4ht is the only one that uses TeX under the hood

Jasper Loy

Guys, my Debian with GNOME shell keeps freezing. Maybe I need to change DE.

derobert

Yeah, there is another one I tried first. It was worse....

Faheem Mitha

There is a nice obit of Gurari from Tugboat online

which is probably why it works the best

derobert

Don't remember the name of the one I tried first.

Faheem Mitha

6:49 PM

@derobert html2latex?

@JasperLoy More likely a hardware issue

Jasper Loy

Anyone here also experiencing freezes with GNOME shell?

@FaheemMitha Maybe.

derobert

I'm not sure anyone here runs GNOME shell....

strugee

@Kiwy M-x tutuorial <RET>

@derobert me and @slm

terdon

@JasperLoy try posting a question on the main site. Make sure to mention your distribution, your graphics card and the driver you are using for it. Also post the contents of your $HOME/.xsession-errors

Jasper Loy

@derobert Then what do they run? A terminal? LOL.

strugee

6:51 PM

@Kiwy where M = meta (alt) and <RET> is enter

@JasperLoy a real wm

terdon

@JasperLoy many of them, yes, also KDE, xfce, lxde, twm, WIndowMaker, Gnome, MATE, Cinnamon, even Unity

strugee

or KDE/Enlightenment/Razor-qt/Unity/etc.

terdon

There are many choices

Jasper Loy

Yes, but I really like GNOME apps, I think I will go for MATE.

strugee

my wm config is bigger than yours

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Faheem Mitha

6:52 PM

@derobert it's a shame. gurari was working on a LaTeX -> braille translator at the time of his death.

derobert

Yeah, I have kwin here at work & on my laptop, e16 on my desktop at home, e17 on my media PC,...

strugee

@JasperLoy or Cinnamon

Jasper Loy

I think the GNOME developers have gone mad, lol.

terdon

Damn, hit my rep cap on Ask Ubuntu already. They are so unused to decent answers it's like stealing candy from a baby.

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derobert

@JasperLoy when it freezes up, does it take the whole machine out? E.g., does control-alt-f1 still switch you to a terminal? Can you ssh in?

Jasper Loy

6:53 PM

GNOME 2 was very good, and they changed it.

strugee

@JasperLoy I used to think that. get over it.

terdon

@JasperLoy yeah, you and everyone else except the Gnome devs have the same idea

Jasper Loy

@derobert I can only do a Alt+PrtScr+reisub, I think.

strugee

sorry to be harsh but if you actually look at what GNOME's doing it's not that bad

they are doing their best to listen with initiatives like GNOME Classic

and extensions help a lot

terdon

@strugee come on! They have added some cool features but removed loads more and are completely ignoring their userbase while attempting to make the desktop less customizable,

derobert

6:54 PM

@JasperLoy does network stay up? E.g., can you ping the machine?

Jasper Loy

RHEL 7 will be defaulting to classic mode I read.

terdon

@strugee that one's dead isn't it?

Jasper Loy

@derobert Never tried, anyway thanks.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon :-)

terdon

@JasperLoy how about Ctrl+Alt+F1?

Jasper Loy

6:55 PM

RHEL will also be sponsoring CentOS, I read.

@terdon I will try that next time.

strugee

@terdon I said they're trying :)

derobert

@JasperLoy if you can ssh in, you can use that to debug. If you can't ssh in, I think your best bet is to get a network console set up (unless you have a serial port for a serial console), and see if you can get the kernel panic message that way

strugee

@terdon no, you're thinking of GNOME Fallback. wiki.gnome.org/ThreePointSeven/Features/DropOrFixFallbackMode

slm

@strugee Yes I use GNOME shell if you need help

strugee

@slm I don't; @terdon was asking

slm

6:56 PM

@terdon 1st world problem

derobert

... and if you need help on setting up either type of console, you can ask on the main site.

Jasper Loy

OK.

strugee

to clarify: I don't need help, I do use it

slm

@strugee Yes sorry I didn't mean the note that way either, was saying I'm here if anyone needed help w/ it

strugee

gotcha

derobert

6:58 PM

@JasperLoy also, if they keyboard lights start blinking when the machine crashes (num lock, caps lock, scroll lock—those lights), the kernel does that on panic. At least with some keyboards. So that'd indicate its trying to give you a message, and you'd probably be able to see it on one of those consoles.

terdon

@strugee ah, true.

derobert

... I don't know if that happens on USB keyboards, or only on PS/2

terdon

@slm look who's talking, you have that problem here :)

strugee

@terdon GNOME Classic is fully supported by GNOME devs. it's guaranteed to keep working across GNOME releases. and GNOME and MATE have a healthy relationship with each other.

slm

yeah yeah, just can't bring myself to A Q's there

I've tried, but it just annoys me for some reason

It's funny to see your A there, it's so complete.

terdon

7:01 PM

:1420548 I guess I was thinking of Fallback

slm

wah wah I hit the rep cap, wah wah

terdon

@slm which one?

@slm and oh, shut up :P

slm

on AU

the one you got all the rep out of

terdon

The hardlinks one? There are some gems on AU actually.

slm

yup

yes there are several ppl that spend time actually answering w/ research but in general I see a lot of carnage

terdon

7:02 PM

just not much on general *nix stuff, if it's UBuntu GUI stuff some of the answers are wonderful

slm

agreed

strugee

@terdon that didn't register

terdon

@slm yeah, I know. I'm just waiting to get 2k so I can edit the living daylights out of them

slm

usability in general is extremely well covered

terdon

@strugee never mind, it was addressed to you and you seem to have gotten it

slm

7:03 PM

ah you're getting close, I'm only a lowly 300

strugee

@terdon yah :P

terdon

This is weird:

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Q: Unable to log in. xsession-errors file looks like it could be useful if I understood

I am unable to log in to my account, having recently installed Linux Mint. I had this problem with Ubuntu 13.10, and no amount of re-installations seemed to fix it. However, Mint gives me a very useful window alerting me that my session lasted less than 10 seconds, and displays the contents of my...

strugee

I got like 120 rep from that one btrfs question

terdon

Sounds like a simple .x* file issue where his default is not available (same $HOME from an Ubuntu install)

but he's also getting an error about id: command not found and that's part of coreutils. strange

strugee

I almost hit the rep limit with that one question

@Oli I suspect that you'd find a more interested audience on U&L, both in terms of votes and in terms of answers. plus, this. — strugee Jan 16 at 19:11

bugged the crap out of me that it wasn't here

slm

7:06 PM

@terdon - there I just dumped a bunch of UV's for you, you're roughly 150 to go

Nice

> Hah, dare you to flag for diamond mod, custom message "please move to Unix.SE, rep there is far more valuable" :-P

strugee

I almost did

I kind of wish I did

slm

@terdon - duh never mind, you're at your cap, catch yah tomorrow

terdon

@slm lol :) thanks anyway

slm

@terdon - I need to do 1 final push to get SU and SF over 3k

strugee

+1 for an amazing explanation. — Jobin 3 hours ago

that'd be a good explanation on here but not "amazing"

friggin AU

terdon

7:10 PM

@slm I pushed you on SU didn't I?

Ah now, that was 2k

slm

yeah

2k

terdon

@strugee my point exactly. Suddenly I'm a guru over there

slm

need to spend a week there to push over it, haven't been motivated to do so though

strugee

it's a tiny bit boring because there are no interesting problems

Braiam

I started to ignore the easy Q's and only answer the ones deeper or that requires lots of punching buttons

strugee

7:11 PM

IMHO

Braiam

@strugee there are lots (like you know lots!) of duplicates

terdon

@strugee I tend to go for the CLI ones, some are fine

Braiam

look this one

found in the close queue, a perfectly answerable Q

casey

I gave it an AU on-topic answer. I couldn't help myself.

Faheem Mitha

7:27 PM

@derobert Never seen that blinking thing.

terdon

@casey heh

@FaheemMitha count yourself lucky

casey

I've seen the blinking. Many times during my migration to systemd when for one reason or another things were failing.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon I think I've had kernel panics, just never the blinking thing

casey

my keyboard is ps2

terdon

Perhaps you never noticed?

Faheem Mitha

7:31 PM

@terdon Who, me?

Possible, I guess.

The AU people do seem easily impressed.

Braiam

@FaheemMitha They are easily impressed

just look at the newest feature request in meta

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Not a bad idea, actually (video tutorials).

Depends what you are tutoring, of course.

Braiam

arg, heck no! I hate video tutorials...

I'm trying to get answers no a freaking video

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam well, it depends.

terdon

7:55 PM

@FaheemMitha NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOo

Video tutorials are the single worst fad in the history of the internet

Text is searchable video is not. And I really don't weant to sit through 10 minutes of some script kiddie talking just to find the 3seconds that are actually relevant to me.

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A: Video tutorials on Ask Ubuntu

This is just my own personal opinion and I realize that I am apparently in a minority but I hate video tutorials. What's wrong with text and images? You can actually search through text and find the part you care about! Video tutorials mean I have to sit through irrelevant introductions like "H...

@Braiam in that case, vote up my answer. What a horrible,horrible idea!

It would make SE useless overnight.

casey

If you want to see terrible video tutorials, just click any of them in the linux community on G+. There are so many

if they have audio, its some guy with terrible speaking skills who rambles on for 10 minutes just to show you "10 ways to use the ls command"

Braiam

@terdon can you flag stuff to migrate it to meta.au?

terdon

@Braiam probably, let me see

Braiam

ok, silly me... I was looking at +60 days old Q

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Ok. I don't think I have actually ever used a video tutorial. They just seem like they might be a good idea in certain circumstances.

@terdon fwiw i upvoted you there

Braiam

8:10 PM

some tutovids but I haven't watched them meta.askubuntu.com/a/1038/169736

forget it... the links are dead

terdon

I have just often found myself looking for a quick answer and the top google hits are some 12 year old script kiddie who likes to hear his/her own voice. I can't even know if the effin video will answer my question unless I watch the entire thing. No. Video explanations are bad in 90% of the cases. Closer to 100% when it comes to computer stuff and 110% when it comes to the command line.

Braiam

actually, if you can verbally explain something, what stops you from explaining it textually?

casey

@Braiam you are assuming they can even manage a verbal explanation

Faheem Mitha

8:26 PM

@terdon counterexample - Zach Beane on quicklisp

►

terdon

@FaheemMitha how is that a counter example? That's a 11 minute long video! The SE sites are for specific solutions to specific problems. Took 10 seconds of blah blah before he even mentioned what the hell it is about. I won't be able to copy/paste any code from that... the list goes on :)

Every time he says "uh" I wasted another second of my life which I could have used to read documentation.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Counterexample for video tutorials in general, not for SE in particular.

@terdon Ok, that's just mean. Plus, you must be a really, really fast reader.

terdon

Still not buying. I just really dislike the format. I want to be able to skip to the part I actually care about.

@FaheemMitha Not mean, that's how +_I_ talk as well, that's why I don't want video tutorials. Also, one second is not much reading, say I read a single word (pretty sure I read faster than that) still more useful than a second of listening to "uh".

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Well, Ok. Just my 2 cents (or whatever your preferred currency is).

terdon

The not searchable thing is my main problem. Say you watched that, it was great and at 7:43 he makes a particularly useful observation. 3 years later, you remember and want to find it. You need to sit through the whole thing again

Faheem Mitha

8:34 PM

@terdon you must really hate going to talks

terdon

@FaheemMitha Oh, hey, I'm not attacking you. Sorry, that might be a cultural thing, I get worked up but there is 0 animosity here. Obviously, you should use whatever works for you. I just personally feel very strongly against these things

Faheem Mitha

come to think of that, i wasn't that keen on them myself

terdon

@FaheemMitha talks are great! But I don't use them as references.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon I didn't think you were attacking me.

casey

talks usually have published papers of the work eventually (in my field), so I can just read the paper later if I need a ref

talks are so you can call bullshit to the persons face if need be :)

Faheem Mitha

8:36 PM

@casey usually people go to talks to learn about new stuff in their field.

i must admit i generally hate them. but they are a very very standard thing in academia

casey

Oh I know, I been to / presented at them

Faheem Mitha

plus generally you aren't supposed to interrupt or argue with the speaker, so that cramps my style.

casey

my next one is in Madison, WI in November

Severe Local Storms

Faheem Mitha

@casey I'm sure you have. Wasn't meaning to tell you anything you didn't already know

casey

I figured

terdon

8:37 PM

@FaheemMitha that is definitely cultural. In my institute in France, we interrupt all the time. Same in Spain when I did my PhD. Wouldn't happen in the Anglo-Saxon world though.

Faheem Mitha

@terdon yes, that is probably a cultural thing. americans and british people don't like being interrupted. first hand experience

anyway, i thought Zach's video was quite reasonable. and you could think of it as a mini-talk

Braiam

I have been in a couple of good talks that I had to attend since the guy was an cathedratic that didn't publish anything

Faheem Mitha

this isn't SE obviously

Braiam

that is, I took several notes

casey

I dont mind being interrupted as that can help guide my presentation to the audience if they have questions

but I only see that happening in informal colloquiums and not so much at conferences where the talks are timed

Faheem Mitha

8:39 PM

@Braiam cathedratic?

terdon

@FaheemMitha University chair

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Ok. not familiar with that word

terdon

Basically a full professor

It's Spanish

Faheem Mitha

@terdon Ah, right

terdon

That's probably why :)

Braiam

8:41 PM

fk, google said the word existed...

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam yes, i tried an english dictionary.

Braiam

if you know a bit of spanish the spain definition is what I was looking es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catedr%C3%A1tico_de_universidad

Faheem Mitha

@Braiam Ok. Thanks.

terdon

@Braiam yeah, that translates to chair or full professor but the term does not exist in English (unless it is some obscure architecture thing to describe cathedrals)

derobert

9:22 PM

@terdon LET'S PLAY MINECRAFT! In this 30-minute video tutorial, I'll show you how to put 6 blocks together! Actually, I'll show you that a T=1354–1360s, the rest will be a bunch of BS because I like to hear myself talk!

To find good video tutorials, sort by length. The shorter, the better.

terdon

@derobert exactly.

derobert

That said, there are some things where a video is better. Especially with GUIs. But those videos are almost always well under 1 minute.

terdon

@derobert There are some, yes. But preferably with a text explanation and no voice over.

Sheesh!

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A: wget duplicate files

Try with the -c option: -c --continue Continue getting a partially-downloaded file. This is useful when you want to finish up a download started by a previous instance of Wget, or by another program. For instance: wget -c ftp://sunsite.doc.ic.ac.uk/ls...

derobert

Yes, with some text to accompany it, for searchability if nothing else. But I'm not sure voice-over is that bad, especially if it has subtitles.

Of course, auto-play is bad!

Braiam

I had to do a video showing how the heck you install a chrome extension that doesn't comes from the chrome extension store... the freaking easy instructions wasn't followed by most, granted, some of them don't even know english (like 30%)

I was almost flagging this as duplicated unix.stackexchange.com/q/119031/41104, granted I think we said is not possible

derobert

9:37 PM

@Braiam That is relatively easy... apt-get install chromium- iceweasel Problem solved.

.... Well, at least, solved if Chat.SE formatting worked.

Braiam

@derobert some (well most) of them use Windows, so no...

derobert

Well, then that requires a little clicking in Add/Remove Programs :-/

Yeah! Text::CSV_XS 0.23 keeps returning forever from getline, even when the CSV file is over. Version 1.04 works. I wonder when that bug was fixed. This is going to be fun to track down...

Braiam

this is an interesting one but heck difficult to figure out

terdon

@Braiam should be possible by setting a umask to 000 or similar I guess

derobert

@Braiam sounds like a filesystem bug to me

probably directory handle going bad for some weird reason

I've never run ecryptfs, only dm-crypt...

derobert

10:00 PM

Ah, good, the Text::CSV_XS bug was mentioned in the changelog. It was fixed in 0.26.

terdon

@derobert Perl?

derobert

Yep

Oh, and could you rate my level of insanity, on a scale of 1 to 10?

# "fix" a bug in Text::CSV_XS prior to 0.26.
if (Text::CSV_XS->version < 0.26) {
	my $old = \&Text::CSV_XS::getline;
	no warnings 'redefine';
	*Text::CSV_XS::getline = sub {
		my $res = &$old;
		$res or return $res;
		@$res or return undef;
		return $res;
	};
}

I haven't tested that yet...

Tested, appears the old version had a prototype of ($;$) which has to be added to avoid a warning. Other than that, appears to work.

terdon

10:16 PM

@derobert lol.

Could someone upvote this Q? Well written and responsive OP, but I've hit my vote cap

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Q: ideapad_laptop: Unknown event: 1 spamming dmesg

I just bought a new laptop Lenovo IdeaPad U330 touch and after some struggle (with the Secure Boot stupidity) I have managed to install Arch Linux. I have configured my system, installed all the drivers (I think), then I noticed that my dmesg is being spammed with the ideapad_laptop: Unknown...

linux kernel lenovo

derobert

@terdon sure, but please edit the title to reflect the actual question... at least once OP has confirmed that the wireless is what he/she actually cares about.

terdon

@derobert sure, and he has

derobert

10:40 PM

Fun. b64digest doesn't exist in the ancient version of Digest::MD4 in Debian sarge. Another thing to work around. But I'll save that for tomorrow.

strugee

11:55 PM

@derobert upgrade??

my wm config is bigger than yours

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