The Nineteenth Byte

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5:00 PM

There was a nice post on conlangs about this, but I'm not sure if you have access

@betseg

also unsure if I'll be able to find it

flawr

@MartinEnder from the name

betseg

@Adám "they" is common

Adám

@betseg I know. But what if someone asked to have "it" applied to them?

betseg

@labela--gotoa also i asked because my native language doesnt have them and they seem counter intuitive to me ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DJMcMayhem

@Adám I mean... If you can request your own pronouns (like ze or xe or whatever) I guess you could request it. That would be kinda weird though, not gonna lie

betseg

5:06 PM

Also all languages need inclusive and exclusive "we"

DJMcMayhem

@betseg ELI5?

Martin Ender

@flawr Chris is occasionally also a female name

@betseg yes please

dzaima

CMC: check if pronouns alternate. Male pronouns are his and he and female - her & she. Case doesn't matter. You can assume that the pronouns will be surrounded with spaces. You can count he. as he, but can't count mother as her

flawr

@DJMcMayhem we but not you / we including you

betseg

@DJMcMayhem "we are going." Can mean "You and I are going" and "I and my friend are going"

Martin Ender

5:08 PM

@DJMcMayhem "we" is often ambiguous because it's not clear whether it includes the person you're talking to or not. (just imagine your parents when you were a kid "we're going to go do X on the weekend" and you're like "wait, does that mean I have to go too?") some languages have separate pronouns for those cases.

DJMcMayhem

Ah, cool.

Yeah, I would not mind English having that

New proposal: Ve (inclusive) and We (exclusive)

flawr

is this an inclusive or exclusive I ? :D

DJMcMayhem

If we ve start using it enough, it'll catch on

Martin Ender

that should have been "ve" :P

DJMcMayhem

...

Wow, I'm dense

betseg

5:10 PM

@DJMcMayhem pronunciation?

flawr

@DJMcMayhem but you wouldn't hear a difference, right?

betseg

Ninjad

DJMcMayhem

@betseg Like the language/letter :P (that was not on purpose)

J. Sallé

@MartinEnder it usually depends heavily on the context of the sentence

Martin Ender

@flawr then your English pronunciation is very German ;)

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5:14 PM

Guys, I think you meant to post on the linguistics chat :P

Adám

Or Yiddish:
An eldely Jewish couple on their way to a vacation in Hawaii, got into an argument about the correct pronunciation of Hawaii. He was sure it was Havaii, but she maintains that it was Hawaii.
As soon as they landed they asked the first person they saw, "Would you mind telling me the name of this island?"
"Havaii!", the man replied.
"Thanks", answered the man.
"You're Velcome," the man replied.

dzaima

@labela--gotoa if all the off-topic stuff on TNB wasn't on TNB, this room would be way more empty :p

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@dzaima :P haha

Adám

@dzaima Yeah, and as it stands, TNB is like the general chatroom for SE.

dzaima

@Adám except it's only used by PPCGers

Adám

5:17 PM

@dzaima So? It's still the most active chat room on SE.

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> General discussion for codegolf.stackexchange.com

@Adám, Well, not entirely :P

@Adám what, really?

dzaima

@labela--gotoa I wouldn't be surprised as other rooms are way more restrictive on off-topicness

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@dzaima Well, maybe :P

Adám

@labela--gotoa Appears so. Doesn't include SO, though.

J. Sallé

@Adám Same goes for Portuguese. In PT, Hawaii is spelled and read Havaí

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5:23 PM

Chrome can't connect to a "website", which is a HTML file on my PC ಠ_ಠ

flawr

@MartinEnder hm apparently there is a difference, but nobody ever told me D: after watching some videos of people trying to teach the different pronunciations I'm still pretty convinced that you cannot hear a difference if someone does not ephasize it

Martin Ender

you absolutely can. and I'm sure it's even more obvious to native speakers.

betseg

@flawr agreed 100%

Adám

@flawr "ooee" vs "vee"

flawr

does french have this difference? (I have the impression that wagon et voiture are pronunced the same?)

@Adám as I said, it is the same XD

Adám

5:25 PM

@flawr Wait, do you mispronounce "v" as "oo" or "oo" as "v"?

flawr

@Adám how am I supposed to tell XD

Adám

@flawr Are "oo" and "v" vowels or consonants?

flawr

to be serious, in my native language I probably use something in between, for both v and w

betseg

same ^

DJMcMayhem

@flawr When I say 'v', my bottom lip touches my top teeth. (like a voiced 'f') When I say 'w', my lips get close together, and it's like an 'oo' sound but as a consonant instead of a vowel

I don't really know how else to describe it

J. Sallé

5:27 PM

@DJMcMayhem you kinda nailed it though.

flawr

@DJMcMayhem yes I've seen that in those pronunciation videos, but I don't think I used either of those

betseg

when i make the sound v in turkish (no w in turkish) my bottom lips are vaguely near my top teeth

DJMcMayhem

So you use something more in the middle?

betseg

yes

DJMcMayhem

@Adám If I had to guess, based off of times in the past when I've heard a heavy German accent, I'd guess they (He? She?) pronounced both as "ve"

flawr

5:29 PM

@DJMcMayhem I'd say a stereotypical "movie"-german accent would be "fe"

J. Sallé

@DJMcMayhem V in German sounds kinda like an F in English

Adám

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, because German doesn't have the "oo" w, and more so because German "w" ≡ English "v".

J. Sallé

And W sounds like the English V

Adám

@J.Sallé I'd say exactly like.

DJMcMayhem

Ah, so it's less voiced

flawr

5:30 PM

Also in german the "v" is often pronounced as "f" (for instance in "Vogel" (bird))

Mr. Xcoder

@H.PWiz Oh yeah sorry. I messed things up. I'll remove my comments now :| (re to this)

Adám

Silly spellings. In English f=ph and in German f=v.

Martin Ender

@flawr v should just be like a German w (although I can't remember off the top of my head whether Swiss pronunciation of w would be different). but there's no equivalent for English w.

mudkip201

@MartinEnder Wikipedia says they are different

DJMcMayhem

Man, it's tough trying to explain pronunciation over text haha

J. Sallé

5:31 PM

Yeah. The best example I can come up with is that German Volk ≡ English Folk

flawr

@MartinEnder that makes sense. And you know, even my german pronunciation is probably pretty bad :)

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem actually, there are some Germans who'd pronounce it the wrong way round. (if they're vaguely aware that the "w" sound exists in English, but are used to pronouncing "w" as the German "w" and then go for the English "w" sound on the less common "v")... it's horrible

betseg

en-tr: v == (v+w)/2, f == f, oo == u, w == Ø (empty set) ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Martin Ender

@flawr I wouldn't know :D

mudkip201

ಠ_ಠ

flawr

5:33 PM

The Nineteenth Byte General discussion for everything except codegolf.stackexchange.com | Guidelines: ppcg.github.io/chatiquette

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Martin Ender

@J.Sallé but that equivalence ends after the initial consonant :D

Adám

English has no letter for ʦ while German has z, but then again, German doesn't fully distinguish between s=English z and s=English z. Though English s can also be z sometimes. \○/

J. Sallé

@MartinEnder yeah, I'm talking specifically about the Vsound there

DJMcMayhem

@Adám Now what is ʦ? My IPA is terrible

flawr

@DJMcMayhem something like "ts"

Martin Ender

5:34 PM

pretty much "ts"

J. Sallé

@DJMcMayhem /ts/

Adám

@DJMcMayhem Not IPA (any more). ts as in cats

DJMcMayhem

That was my guess :P

betseg

@DJMcMayhem upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/…

flawr

@Adám But I think germans do have different "s", don't they?

mudkip201

5:35 PM

t͡s

betseg

^^^ [aʦa]

Adám

@flawr There's ß which is always an unvoiced s as in sing.

Martin Ender

@flawr yeah, the point is that s in German can be both voiced and devoiced, whereas English usually uses it only for the devoiced sound (and uses z for the voiced sound)

DJMcMayhem

How do you voice 's' without getting 'z'?

betseg

you dont

Martin Ender

5:36 PM

@mudkip201 link?

flawr

@MartinEnder see that is another thing I'm probably horrible at:)

Adám

@MartinEnder As in "houses"?

DJMcMayhem

I don't really see why you'd need a letter for 'ts', it seems redundant. Then again, so is 'x'

flawr

Now I really wonder why we were never taught any of those differences.

betseg

@DJMcMayhem so is c in english

Martin Ender

5:37 PM

@Adám for that one I'm not sure I'm pronouncing it correctly. but I think both "desert" and "dessert" use a voiced s.

DJMcMayhem

@Adám Pronounced Houzes :P

J. Sallé

Portuguese makes it easier I guess. S = Z when used between vowels and S otherwise.

Adám

@DJMcMayhem No, haʊzɪz

mudkip201

@DJMcMayhem There's not a one-word example in English, but try: 'cat shit' vs. 'catch it'

betseg

turkish: s is always voiceless, z is always voiced

mudkip201

5:38 PM

Labiodental approximant

The labiodental approximant is a type of consonantal sound, used in some spoken languages. It is similar to an English w pronounced with the teeth and lips held in the position used to articulate the letter V. The symbol in the International Phonetic Alphabet that represents this sound is ⟨ʋ⟩, and the equivalent X-SAMPA symbol is P or v\. The labiodental approximant is the typical realization of /v/ in the Indian South African variety of English. As the voiceless /f/ is also realized as an approximant ([ʋ̥]), it is also an example of a language contrasting voiceless and voiced labiodental a...

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem it gets more fun, because "z" is often used in the letter combination "tz" (which doesn't really affect the sound of the consonant but shortens the preceding vowel).

DJMcMayhem

@mudkip201 Without over emphasizing it and without context, those sound basically identical to me. But neither has a 'ts'

mudkip201

yeah. derp

flawr

@DJMcMayhem on the other hand english needs another symbol for "sh" as it doesn't have a lot in common with "s" or "h"

Adám

@flawr h functions as modifier of the previous consonant: ph, sh, dh, gh.

DJMcMayhem

5:40 PM

Well, it's actually pretty similar to 's'. To pronounce 'sh', I make an 's', but with my tongue further back

Martin Ender

@mudkip201 hm, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_language#Phonology just lists w as [v]

DJMcMayhem

@Adám gh is a weird one.

mudkip201

@Adám I'd imagine that's largely due to the aspirated consonant mutating

flawr

@DJMcMayhem then I'm probably doing that wrong too

DJMcMayhem

English is weird, but it can be understood through tough thorough thought though.

J. Sallé

5:40 PM

@DJMcMayhem it usually sounds as either f or r

DJMcMayhem

Except in ghost

mudkip201

@J.Sallé r?

DJMcMayhem

And when is it an 'r'? I can't think of any examples

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem "th" in English is basically what "s" is in German (in terms of ambiguity). It can be both voiced (this) or devoiced (thing).

mudkip201

It's usually silent

J. Sallé

5:41 PM

@DJMcMayhem yeah, but ghost and gost are phonetically the same I think?

flawr

@DJMcMayhem this: ncf.idallen.com/english.html

Martin Ender

It would be so neat if English used "dh" for voiced th instead. :D

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Adám

@MartinEnder Yeah, then maybe people would have a chance to get this thing right.

Martin Ender

*dhis thing

J. Sallé

@mudkip201 @DJMcMayhem > In English ⟨gh⟩ historically represented [x] (the voiceless velar fricative, as in the Scottish Gaelic word Loch)

betseg

5:42 PM

dhis thing*

ninja'd :(

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder I've thought that a bunch of times too

Adám

@MartinEnder ðis þing

J. Sallé

@J.Sallé en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gh_(digraph) source

Martin Ender

yay for Icelandic

J. Sallé

@MartinEnder or Faroese

flawr

5:43 PM

@Adám I'm not aware of gh and dh, any examples?

betseg

bring back Ð and Þ!

DJMcMayhem

@J.Sallé Well, when I see "gost", in my head it looks like it should be pronounce gossed, (rhymes with lost) not goest (rhymes with host)

I don't know why though

J. Sallé

@DJMcMayhem same here.

Martin Ender

@J.Sallé Faroese doesn't actually use thorn, I think

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder Interesting. Is the difference very notable/easy to hear? I'd have a really hard time distinguishing that

Martin Ender

5:44 PM

Icelandic is pretty good at having a phonetic alphabet in general though. they've got 15 vowels, but in return each vowel always represents the same sound (although it might be long or short). But then some letter combinations can get really weird and sound nothing like you'd expect.

J. Sallé

@MartinEnder yeah, you're right.

Adám

@MartinEnder Correct.

betseg

@MartinEnder turkish does the same with 8 vowels ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ (except for loanwords, then there are 10 vowels)

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem yeah, the difference in vowel length is quite noticeable. like I don't know... the difference in vowel length between "got" and "god".

flawr

That is the thing I enjoy about french (in contrast to english): you don't have to guess how to pronounce a given word

Adám

5:46 PM

@MartinEnder Finnish is the easiest: Letters always have the same sound. Double consonants are two consonants and double vowels are long.

DJMcMayhem

That's only noticeable if I stop to think about it.

Martin Ender

@Adám but I think being easiest ends at the pronunciation :D

betseg

@Adám same with turkish, except a caret for long vowels (only for loanwords, no long vowels/consonants in turkish words)

J. Sallé

@Adám Finnish is hard af though, there's like a bazillion inflections and reflections and stuff

Adám

@flawr Pronounce this: Slough is about half-way from Reading to London.

Martin Ender

5:47 PM

@DJMcMayhem I'm sure it would sound wrong to you if I swapped out one word for the other in a sentence

Zgarb

@Adám There's a handful of annoying exceptions though...

Martin Ender

@Adám don't get me started on English town names :D

flawr

@MartinEnder relevant polandball: i.imgur.com/QFm6SCE.png

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder Yes, but that's not the difference in the 'o' sound, it's the ending consonant that makes them distinct

flawr

@Adám I have to look that up, I have no idea :)

mudkip201

5:48 PM

@MartinEnder Or the Northeastern US

betseg

@flawr it could be done with any agglutinative language tho

DJMcMayhem

Since we're all talking about linguistics, it's poll time: How many languages do you speak?

betseg

do programming languages count

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem I'm pretty sure that swapping out the consonant sound makes a smaller difference than swapping out the vowel sound (i.e. if I tried to say "got" with the o from "god" you'd probably think I said "god" a bit weirdly, and vice versa). again, hard to convey in text.

Adám

@flawr Slah-oo and Redding

flawr

5:49 PM

@betseg do you speak them? XD

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem at what level...

betseg

@flawr sometimes

tfbninja

@flawr theoretically

Martin Ender

@DJMcMayhem it's probably a bad example anyway, because the consonants do differ

Adám

Who else speaks 5?

Zgarb

5:51 PM

@Adám I do.

Adám

@Zgarb Care to list them?

Zgarb

Finnish, English, Swedish, Spanish, French.

Adám

@Zgarb Oh, you're Finnish.

Zgarb

@Adám The only valid reason to know Finnish. :P

Adám

@Zgarb Also to participate in FinnAPL activities. Do you?

J. Sallé

5:53 PM

@Adám /slaʊ/ /ɪs/ /əbaʊt/ /hæf/ /wʌɪ/ /frɒ̃/ /rædɪn/ /tjuː/ /lɒ̃dɒ̃/

Took me a while there >.>

DJMcMayhem

@betseg (((((()()()){}){}){({}[()])}{})(((()()()()){}){}){}())((((([]()){}())()){}{}){}‌)

Zgarb

@Adám Sadly, no. I only know FinnAPL from the list of APL idioms floating around the internet.

DJMcMayhem

.oO(That took way too long to write)

mudkip201

@J.Sallé That first one and third one really irk me. I don't hear /ʊ/ when I say them, and I can't even make those sounds work as diphthongs.

Martin Ender

Ended up picking 2 languages, because I couldn't have a conversation in any other (not even a broken one). I do know some basic Icelandic, Latin, Russian and Italian though (in order of decreasing knowledge).

betseg

5:55 PM

@DJMcMayhem aw

DJMcMayhem

@MartinEnder I don't know, it's hard to measure.

I know some basic Spanish, but I would be hopelessly lost in a conversation, so I'd say that doesn't count

J. Sallé

@mudkip201 actually, /aʊ/ is a single IPA sound. It's like the ou in american English about

Zgarb

@Adám What's your list of languages?

mudkip201

@J.Sallé I know. But that sounds more like /æu/ to me. That is, the ou in about

Adám

@Zgarb Danish, English, Swedish, Hebrew, Yiddish. (Studied French for three years, but…)

J. Sallé

5:56 PM

I speak Portuguese, English, German, Spanish, some Italian and some Russian (in order of how much I mangle each language)

Adám

@J.Sallé Wow, that's six.

J. Sallé

@mudkip201 well, I pronounce it that way probably because I've been taught British English

@Adám I voted 4 because I can't really hold a conversation in Italian or Russian

I can read them pretty well if I take my time though

Zgarb

French is my weakest language. Luckily (or unluckily), I currently live in France. :P

Mr. Xcoder

CMP: Which is easier, German or French?

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both are bad for me O.o

betseg

6:04 PM

according to my friend, german (im a2 in german but a0 in french)

J. Sallé

@Mr.Xcoder German for sure

Not sure about native English speakers, but for me, learning German was like an extension of learning English.

Emigna

I'd say German as well. I may be biased though as it shares a language root with Swedish. Maybe French is easier for someone who Speaks Italian or something as a main language?

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If OP allows leading space, can I indent the output with a column or spaces or it only means that I can put some lines before the output?

Emigna

leading space usually means on first line. Some challenges allow any amount of whitespace as long as the output lines up correctly, but that is not the norm

when in doubt, ask the OP

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@Emigna Well, I'm just trying my language in some easy challenges, now I'm trying this, and I can't find a way to do it without the first column. OP allows extraneous whitespace that does not affect appearance, but the first paragraph says generate each letter in the alphabet, with spaces before it equal to its position in the alphabet minus one, so that "minus one" seems to disqualify the solution

Pavel

6:18 PM

@Dennis I opened an issue on Github, and it got fixed in under two hours, and I'm not sure why no one did that earlier.

Emigna

Personally I would go with extraneous whitespace that does not affect appearance. as long as each line has one more space than the last, it should be okay

OP also mentions in comments that extra whitespaces are ok as long as they are on each line

label a -- goto a

ah, thanks

Conor O'Brien

6:31 PM

does anyone here know how to use knuth up-arrow notation to express a^(a^(a^...n)))? Like this:

latex.codecogs.com/gif.latex?\large&space;\underbrace{a^{a^{\cdot^{\cdot‌^{\cdot^{a^x}}}}}}_n

DJMcMayhem

@ConorO'Brien I think I do

A^A^A^A would be A arrow arrow 4, right?

Conor O'Brien

yes

but what about the ^n at the end? it must be evaluated first

DJMcMayhem

Oh I missed that

Hmm is it transitive? e.g., does (A^A^A^A)^X == A^A^A^(A^X)?

Conor O'Brien

no, it's right-associative

HyperNeutrino

(2^1^1^1)^2 != 2^1^1^(1^2)

DJMcMayhem

6:35 PM

Then I can't help you

Conor O'Brien

well thanks anyhow

DJMcMayhem

@HyperNeutrino Sure it does:

>>> (2^1^1^1)^2
1
>>> 2^1^1^(1^2)
1
>>>

/s

HyperNeutrino

lol

Conor O'Brien

oh wait I got it, I can use a fractional exponent a↑↑(x+r) so that 10^r = n

(plus or minus one somewhere, idk)

since 10↑↑2.5 = 10^(10^sqrt[10])

label a -- goto a

6:54 PM

Chrome "sources" tab is not responding when your script got into infinite loop... It is too late...

(sources tab has pause button if you don't know :P)

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sandbox: Is this question already available (duplicate)? Are things too vague? Does providing the example help or hinder? Tidy the Pantry (easy) I hate grocery shopping, particularly the part where I put groceries away--so I'm calling upon the collective hive-mind to handle t...

Mr. Xcoder

7:15 PM

Hi @Flip! It's been a while

FlipTack

it has... I've been caught up in revision and my jazz quintet

Mr. Xcoder

The latter sounds cool

FlipTack

I have these pulses of activity and inactivity... I guess I'll be back fully next month or so :P

Yeah, it's a fun project, we've got gigs all around town and hoping to head up to scotland to play a festival this summer

Mr. Xcoder

Python byte shavers is extremely... well... inactive lately

FlipTack

:P I'll have to get some Python golfing going then

Mr. Xcoder

7:18 PM

Well good luck with the festival!

We've had few challenges in the last couple of days ;-;

FlipTack

I haven't posted a challenge for a while...

Either I have loads of ideas at the same time and can't wait to post them one after another, or I have absolutely nothing sandboxed

I'm not sure if it's just me, but it's normally the smallest things that get me thinking and eventually form a challenge

Mr. Xcoder

Not just you

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my first challenge was result of visit in a mine...

var t = this;
t.array.pop()
^ error: t is undefined

chrome wtf

but the error disappeared after a second

moonheart08

7:51 PM

blame v8 not chrome :P

betseg

@moonheart08 developers.google.com/v8 "Chrome V8"

Pavel

v8 is part of chrome

betseg

ninja'd :P

moonheart08

Perfectly usable as a seperate library :P

Pavel

It's still part of chrome

Adám

7:53 PM

CMC: n → [√(n/2),√(n/2),2]

moonheart08

not saying it's not

ok that makes no sense now that i think about it

lets just drop this so i become a bit less confused, hmm?

Pavel

@Adám Mathematica: {a=√(#/2),a,2}&

Adám

E.g. 18 → [3,3,2]

caird coinheringaahing

Can we output as newline separated?

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Sure.

Pavel

7:56 PM

I'm glad √ actually works because I replied first and tested after

dzaima

@Adám Canvas, 5 bytes. If we can output with items on the stack, the last char can be removed

betseg

@Adám C (gcc) +4 bytes (-lm): f(n){printf("%f %f 2",n,n=sqrt(n));}

caird coinheringaahing

ಠ_ಠ I just realised that my language can't output with a separator

Maybe stretching a little but can we output as 3.03.02? E.g. With .0 as a separator?

Pavel

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Sure, CMC after all.

dzaima

7:59 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing you could just say that . is the separator :p

Pavel

(Those aren't spaces, Mathematica just displays stuff spaced out like that)

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing ^ Yeah, I first thought that was a date format for March 2nd, 3.

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám Whispers, 74 bytes

recursive

@Adám Stax, 8 bytes

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wat?

betseg

8:07 PM

@Adám emojicode, 65 bytes: 🍇n🚀😀🔡⛷➗n 2 10😀🔡⛷➗n 2 10😀🔡2 10🍉 edit:fixed

dzaima

@cairdcoinheringaahing oh is that the line reference language?

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám I can provide a full explanation if you give me a minute :P

mudkip201

@Adám Pyt, 4 bytes

caird coinheringaahing

@dzaima Yep :P

recursive

@mudkip201 That's producing the wrong output for 5

I think it's using integer division by 2

dzaima

8:10 PM

@recursive oh my canvas suffers from that too

Adám

@recursive Hm, I never did specify that input will always be twice the square of an integer, did I? My bad.

dzaima

it's a bytecount unchanging fix anyway

recursive

@Adám In that case, Stax, 6 bytes :)

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám How it works

dzaima

@Adám SOGL, 5 bytes

Adám

8:15 PM

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ah, so > is a literal and >> is a ref?

caird coinheringaahing

Yes, exactly

Adám

@cairdcoinheringaahing Neat.

mudkip201

@recursive Dammit. Yep, you're right. It'll be 5 bytes then, by sticking a ᵮ at the beginning

caird coinheringaahing

@Adám Thanks, it was an interesting idea to play with

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Finally submitted my Pepe answer. codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/156791/72792

Scrooble

8:20 PM

Dunno if someone's posted this already, but we're famous!

Erik the Outgolfer

unfortunately it's been already posted :p

label a -- goto a

@Scrooble There was even a starred posts about that

caird coinheringaahing

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ We love ourselves so much we don't care about how many times it gets posted in TNB :D

Christopher

Lol

Scrooble

Hehe.

Christopher

8:21 PM

@Scrooble no

Scrooble

Someone tell Randall it's called code-bowling.

Christopher

whatever you were thinking

dammit scrooble. I said no

Scrooble

...sorry...

Erik the Outgolfer

@Christopher that might come off as somewhat rude...

Scrooble

Reverse bowling would be fun...

Christopher

8:22 PM

@EriktheOutgolfer good point

Scrooble

@EriktheOutgolfer Not at all!

Christopher

@Scrooble didn't mean any

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, I flipped the tab and was a little confused

Hmm, I'm getting worried about how strong Stax is getting in code golf. Jelly may not be the clear winner, even with Dennis' backing

Erik the Outgolfer

@Adám Dyalog, 12 bytes: 2,⍨2⍴.5*⍨÷∘2

Pavel

15 hours ago, by Doorknob

ahem, that's just bowling

Ninja'd

Christopher

8:27 PM

already been ninja'd

DJMcMayhem

Right now, Alex has a diamond on main but not on meta

Christopher

what

Wait

DJMcMayhem

inb4 shouldiblamecaching

Pavel

probably

Christopher

digimon, kinda like djmon. mon is like mod. djmod= DJ is mod. Digimon predicted that Dj would be mod

@DJMcMayhem dude ^

caird coinheringaahing

8:39 PM

Does anyone else see DJ's diamond floating below his username when you click on his username here?

Christopher

no

tfbninja

no

probably your screen size

Christopher

why

caird coinheringaahing

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I though it was amusing

tfbninja

are you on mobile

caird coinheringaahing

8:43 PM

No

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Q: We should make a list of 'basic', 'mediocre', and 'expert' challenges

Somewhat related to this question on creating tags regarding difficulty When I first came to this site, I had no idea on how anything worked, and I wasn't that great at golfing, I only knew python and I had never used it for anything like this. I can only assume this is how most new users feel. ...

caird coinheringaahing

CMP: Accepting answers to code-golfs?

Christopher

I do

Unihedron

I want to make quantumBrainfuck. any ideas?

caird coinheringaahing

@Christopher Why?

Christopher

8:45 PM

Because they won

Pavel

Jan 2 '17 at 5:49, by Mego

> A friendly message from The Name of All that is Good and Holy: Hello! This is The Name of All that is Good and Holy. Before you think of making your own extension to this language, here's another idea for you to consider: Don't! For the love of me, please don't make another derivative of this language! Unless you have something truly new to contribute, it's been done a million times before and will probably make it worse than the original.

@cairdcoinheringaahing I think you shouldn't, but I do anyway, for the rep

Christopher

cheese

moonheart08

@Unihedron First thing is first: Realise it is possible to simulate a quantum computer.

It's been done plenty of times

DJMcMayhem

@NewMetaPosts @tfbninja I would recommend moderate instead of mediocre. Mediocre implies low quality, not medium difficulty

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Paintball Tournament Inspired by The Rock, Paper, Scissors, Lizard, Spock Tournament of Epicness as well as other King-of-the-hill challenges, I would like to propose a Paintball Tournament. There is a game on my phone, called Game Pigeon that contains a paintball game. This paintball game is p...