The Nineteenth Byte

Downgoat

3:00 AM

brb tracing

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien that looks hilarious

Conor O'Brien

haha

ATaco

It's a feature

MD XF

@Dennis could you un-community-wiki this? It was kind of an accident

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco what exactly do you need for an icon?

ATaco

3:04 AM

Preferably a taco.

3

I'm not very good at design, hence I try to throw money at people who are

Destructible Lemon

I mean do you need an .ico, or if I was to try and make on in my mac equivalent of paintbrush would you like it?

Conor O'Brien

will draw for tf2 keys

ATaco

Oh, .ico

TF2 keys I can provide, once I'm no-longer at work.

Destructible Lemon

@ATaco can you convert to .ico yourself?

Dennis

@MDXF Done. Btw, it's better to use flags for these things. All mods will be able to see it, and there will be a constant reminder in case nobody can do it immediately.

MD XF

3:06 AM

@Dennis Oh, okay, thanks

Will do in the future

ATaco

@DestructibleLemon Technically, but .ico usually has the advantage of multiple scales inbuilt. I'll also accept .svg.

Downgoat

@ATaco Question: do you want minmalist taco or goat-style taco

ATaco

I'd say Minimalist, as much as I respect the Caprataco.

Conor O'Brien

A goat-style taco is an eaten one...

Downgoat

@ATaco ;_;

Destructible Lemon

3:07 AM

I don't know how to make.ico ;_;

Downgoat

@ATaco do you want lettuce? tomatoes? beans? in taco?

ATaco

Most predominately should be beans/beef and lettuce, however Cheese and Tomato being visible are also nice.

MD XF

Should I change my avatar to a pony?

Destructible Lemon

prolly not

MD XF

How come?

Destructible Lemon

3:12 AM

because how is that md xf

Conor O'Brien

and animated gifs don't work as avatars

Destructible Lemon

also you posted a moving picture ^

ATaco

@ConorO'Brien I can fix that ;)

Conor O'Brien

oh? do tell

ASCII-only

@ConorO'Brien with a userscript

@ATaco If you want you can make one, test with Oliver Ni's avatar

ATaco

3:14 AM

I need to do some hacking to see if I can hide additional information in an avatar...

Conor O'Brien

if stackexchange doesn't do any processing of the image (unlikely), you could always use the "hide secret text" method

Downgoat

@ATaco should it be fat taco, skinny taco, normal taco

ATaco

@Downgoat I'd be happy with a Normal Taco.

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon True

ATaco

@ConorO'Brien No, that's a no go. It almost definitely does..

Conor O'Brien

3:16 AM

no, it doesn't, if you upload by URL

e.g., mine's from google

lh5.googleusercontent.com/-AYhjTWVrGTc/AAAAAAAAAAI/AAAAAAAAAN0/…

yours is from imgur, so you prolly uploaded it

ATaco

Ahah, That's good news. Because... We can insert arbitrary things in the get!

I wonder if we can postfix it with a #...

Probably not.

Conor O'Brien

postfix what?

ATaco

If an image with a src tag ends in #stuff.. that #stuff...is ignored in the get request, but we can play with it here.

Downgoat

@ATaco on scale of light-green to conor's dragon's green, how green should lettuce be

Conor O'Brien

dragon green :3

ATaco

3:19 AM

Actually, Conor's is a pretty good representation of a good Lettuce.

Downgoat

:O should I do avocado

nah to hard

ATaco

Lettuce O'Brien.

ASCII-only

@MDXF wtf this isn't proper obfuscation, just ask Conor

ATaco

I am quite the fan of Avocad.

ASCII-only

@Downgoat didn't you already do

MD XF

3:20 AM

@ASCII-only That was sarcastic, this is actually obfuscation

Plus I made those when I was 13

Destructible Lemon

while True:print("you have struck mica!")

Dwarf fortress simulator

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF -1 uses trigraphs, the "cop-out" obfuscation

Downgoat

halp lettuce hard to draw :(

ASCII-only

@Downgoat ok will try to help

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien 1 I only put it in there 'cause Jonathan Leffler suggested I do it and Jonathan Leffler is awesome. 2 they really do obfuscate code if used in the right ways

Conor O'Brien

3:22 AM

right, but good obfuscation resists clarification. trigraphs are trivial to replace

ASCII-only

@MDXF 2. No they don't, a trigraph is really easy to spot

MD XF

@ASCII-only Not always

@ConorO'Brien Not always

Sometimes it can be hard to tell what's a trigraph and what isn't, especially when you combine with digraphs and normal text

Conor O'Brien

it's a dictionary search-replace, of course its trivial

Destructible Lemon

sometimes I think I wouldn't know how to make obfuscated code, and then I remember I make only obfuscated code

MD XF

Well with a program, I guess. I meant to the eye

ASCII-only

3:23 AM

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien Even so I clearly wasn't trying to get people to win the IOCCC. I'd made a satirical guide and figured I'd back it up with a realistic one.

Conor O'Brien

that's why I said "resists clarification". Most code but the simplest is already obfuscated "to the eye ".

MD XF

If you ignore the trigraphs part, is it generally acceptable? :P

Downgoat

@ASCII-only 0/10 not from conor's dragon

Destructible Lemon

brb making lettuce out of conors dragon

Conor O'Brien

3:26 AM

@MDXF I mean, not really. Good obfuscation tricks a reader who scans the code. I can look at the code, see the two strings of x.. sequences. From that I know its a hex-encoded string, then I can guess that this string is what's encoded. The truly essential bits are small.

good obfuscation is code that looks like it ought to print "Hello, World!" but prints the numbers 1 to 100 instead

MD XF

@ConorO'Brien It's not only a hex-encoded string

ASCII-only

MD XF

@ASCII-only That's just sad

Downgoat

@ASCII-only 0/10 dragon abuse

Conor O'Brien

@MDXF sure it is. p++["...."] == ("...")[p++] is just inline string with character lookup

MD XF

3:30 AM

@ConorO'Brien Well, when I was younger, I thought it was the best Hello World out there :P

Conor O'Brien

this is true

MD XF

I spend more time writing programming languages and code golf submissions nowadays

Conor O'Brien

it's not a bad obfuscation, just not a very good one

MD XF

Yeah

ASCII-only

Conor O'Brien

3:30 AM

I do like the fact you used complementing digraph/trigraph pairs

MD XF

Thanks. That wasn't even my idea xD

Destructible Lemon

Conor O'Brien

that would be my dream if I were an egoist

MD XF

Does anyone know if an ASM/C polyquine has ever been written?

Destructible Lemon

notice the wings are mutilated

MD XF

3:33 AM

'cause I kinda want to be the first one to do it. I'm close...

Downgoat

@ATaco question: what do you want tomato: lettuce ratio to be

I'm going with 1:3

ATaco

That's a rather specific question.

But 1:3 sounds fine.

ASCII-only

what happened to the olmec tacit language

MD XF

@ASCII-only Whoa that's intense

Downgoat

@ATaco okay aded tomato and letuce and bean anything else?

ASCII-only

3:46 AM

@Downgoat lego studs

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Assembly / C Polyquine Progress Sandbox I'm working on an Assembly and C polyquine based on a CMC a while ago. Here's my progress: Some stuff that will help it work Apparently C doesn't care if you have semicolons where they don't belong. That way I can just put a semicolon before C code. I m...

Downgoat

@ATaco what's your favorite color

MD XF

@NewSandboxedPosts Thanks that was fast

Btw @all I still need some help with this

ASCII-only

@MDXF Solving in GoL?

MD XF

@ASCII-only Yeah, wouldn't it be pretty cool to print a GoL grid in the GoL?

ASCII-only

3:52 AM

@MDXF GoL can't do filled circles though

MD XF

@ASCII-only AFAWK

But that's right, some systems won't be able to do real circles

Destructible Lemon

vtc unclear

MD XF

@DestructibleLemon Thanks for the help :P

ASCII-only

@MDXF No by can't I mean it can't

MD XF

@ASCII-only Yeah I'm updating

Destructible Lemon

3:55 AM

how about a shape where every point on the outside is a certain distance from the centre give or take some percent

Downgoat

Generic Question: what is your favorite color

Destructible Lemon

how about that avodad

Downgoat

green it is

Destructible Lemon

Chartreuse (color)

Chartreuse (US /ʃɑːrˈtruːz/, /ʃɑːrˈtruːs/ or RP /ʃɑːˈtrɜːz/; French pronunciation: [ʃaʁtʁøz]) is a color between yellow and green that was named because of its resemblance to the green color of one of the French liqueurs called green chartreuse, introduced in 1764. Similarly, chartreuse yellow is a yellow color mixed with a small amount of green that was named because of its resemblance to the color of one of the French liqueurs called yellow chartreuse, introduced in 1838. Yellow is perceived when the yellow-green cone receptors of the eye are proportionately more stimulated than that of the...

ATaco

(Sorry) I was in the loo.

Downgoat

3:57 AM

When I say I like wet tacos I do not mean in that way >_<

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat green

ASCII-only

@Downgoat Color<T>

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only please no

Downgoat

@ASCII-only java.awt.Color or javafx.scene.toolkit.Color

Destructible Lemon

also how about that apple green

ATaco

4:01 AM

Green's a pretty neat colour tbh.

ASCII-only

@Downgoat swt

*awt

wait i mean System.Drawing.Color

Downgoat

Question: is shit taco or decent taco ;_;

background color needs to be changed for sure

Destructible Lemon

mmm, I thought it was gonna be normal taco

@Downgoat just shrink it more onto the taco

Downgoat

@DestructibleLemon :( is normal BLT taco no?

B = bean

Destructible Lemon

@Downgoat I mean it looks kinda skinny

Mendeleev

4:07 AM

Is good taco

Downgoat

@DestructibleLemon yes but did you know it has a 18% FMR

Destructible Lemon

background colour not so bad

ASCII-only

@Downgoat FMR?

ATaco

Oh wow, that's a straight up taco right there.

ASCII-only

@Downgoat taco have 18% female to male ratio?

or is it fetta:mayo ratio

Downgoat

4:12 AM

ok I took the taco to taco bell, now is fatter

ATaco

Thicc Taco.

Is it possible to get one with a Transparent Background..?

ASCII-only

@ATaco do you know what that means

Downgoat

@ATaco yeah, do you want that or svg?

(btw will take payment in 7 goat memes, please post: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/1/sandbox)

ATaco

@Downgoat SVG would be preferable, if you have one.

Downgoat

4:25 AM

@ATaco: vihan.org/files/taco.svg

ATaco

Thankyou sehr kindly.

Downgoat

oh shit tomtao is transpraent

Destructible Lemon

@Downgoat uh oh

ATaco

Fixed it.

Dennis

@NewSandboxedPosts @MDXF Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what this post is about, it doesn't belong to the Sandbox for Proposed Challenges.

Destructible Lemon

4:29 AM

@Dennis what about that other highly rated post that isn't a challenge!!1

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

This is not a challenge. I am using the sandbox to... sandbox stuff. My Progress I'm not anywhere near the completion of this, but I've got an attack plan. They key word here is "abstraction." If a problem seems too esoteric to solve (as in this whole challenge), just abstract it to the nex...

checkmate

Dennis

I have no idea what you mean by checkmate here.

ASCII-only

@MDXF I thought you almost finished the polyquine not just started

Dennis

@DestructibleLemon I don't think I ever saw this (mainly because I never sort the sandbox by vote count), but it doesn't belong there either.

Downgoat

gtg g'night

CMC: given something like: 1+1)+(1+2, balance the parens

Destructible Lemon

isn't this very much related to that brainflak challenge?

quintopia

4:41 AM

hello people

please look at my challenge and make sure it is okay to post so i can post it in the morning: codegolf.meta.stackexchange.com/a/12569/47050

Destructible Lemon

ecks dee I made this guy not room owner!!

chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/59588/room-owning-tests

Dennis

→ 17 messages moved to Trash

quintopia

what are the qualifications to make a discussion SO offtopic that it has to go to Trash?

Dennis

@DestructibleLemon I've read it three times, but I still don't know what's going on there. 1. Did you ban someone from their own chat room? If so, undo this. 2. Why were you added as an RO in the first place?

Destructible Lemon

@Dennis I did not ban them

I simply made them no longer room owner

in fact they asked me to kick them

Dennis

4:57 AM

Oh, they still have write access. Nevermind.

Downgoat

Question: why was trash made gallery

Dennis

@quintopia When people start posting YouTube videos that ridicule public figures, it's usually a clear sign that the conversation isn't going places.

quintopia

so it's just a subjective assessment of whether it's devolving into something not ... stackexchangey enough? i guess?

Doorknob

Of course it's subjective. That's why moderators and room owners exist.

ASCII-only

@MDXF close?

betseg

5:12 AM

 $ uptime
08:11:19 up 21 days, 10:53,  0 users,  load average: 11.57, 11.39, 11.29

I think I should reboot my phone at some point

Destructible Lemon

ok the covfefe has remained for 1 hour

Mendeleev

@DestructibleLemon Press coverage

betseg

@DestructibleLemon what's it

Destructible Lemon

@betseg donald trump made a tweet one hour ago that he has not removed

betseg

Happened with our politicians too

Downgoat

5:22 AM

@DestructibleLemon Question: Cov-fee-fee or cov-feh-feh

Destructible Lemon

@Downgoat cov-veef

the first f is silent

Mendeleev

I pronounce it as "cov-fay-fay"

Downgoat

@Mendeleev +1 for pronouncing only good way

Destructible Lemon

cuh VEEF

Destructible Lemon

5:46 AM

covfefe has hit the two hour mark now

Destructible Lemon

6:51 AM

Brown is the bark
Green is the leaf
Depsite all the constant
Negative press covfefe

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Can my favourite team still become Football Champion? code-golf As a fan of an at most moderately successful footballBE team, towards the end of the season I often wonder whether my favourite team still has any theoretical chance left of becoming champion. Your task in this challenge is to answe...

ASCII-only

7:21 AM

@DestructibleLemon *coverage

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only *covfefe

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon pepe?

Destructible Lemon

2 hours ago, by Destructible Lemon

just realised there shouldn't be an all in there

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon i know, i saw it :P

Destructible Lemon

Brown is the bark
Green is the leaf
Depsite the constant
Negative press covfefe

challenge: covfefify a string

ASCII-only

7:27 AM

how

Sherlock9

@DJMcMayhem Yeah, that's the main algorithm for Stirling numbers of the second kind. Even with storing the results in a list or in a dict, it takes ages for something like n = 10000, which is about the upper limit of what I've been able to calculate to.

Destructible Lemon

@ASCII-only take up to the ending of the first syllable

so, what I mean is, go up to the first vowelgroup, and take the consonant after that

Sherlock9

Also, if you want to decide on the hidden numbers to test my challenge on, we can discuss it on Discord. I've PM'd you already

Destructible Lemon

take the voiced or voiceless version (v to f and fice fersa)

take the next vowel

shove em together, repeat them twice, and add to first syllable

if there is no voiced/voiceless version, just use the character itself

example: example: exxaxa

byte -> bytdede

any issues with this challenge?

Destructible Lemon

7:55 AM

how should I treat y?

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon as a vowel

Destructible Lemon

are you sure?

ASCII-only

idk

Destructible Lemon

8:07 AM

Mush, new main posts!

New Main Posts

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Q: Covfefify a string

In this challenge, you must take a string matching the regex ^[a-z]+$ or ^[A-Z]+$, or ^[A-Z][a-z]+$ or whatever is reasonable, (you may assume the string is long enough for all the operations), and output another string, produced similarly to word at the end of a recent dadaist tweet by the POTUS...

Destructible Lemon

town of salem is getting an expansion!

Beta Decay

8:34 AM

Where did golfscript go? No one ever golfs with it anymore

ASCII-only

@BetaDecay not golfy enough :P

With all the SBCS golflangs

Beta Decay

Yeah... Weird how that turned out xD

ASCII-only

@BetaDecay Weird?

Sherlock9

Does SBCS mean Stack-Based ColeSlaw?

ASCII-only

@Sherlock9 Yes how did you know

Sherlock9

8:44 AM

XD Just guessing

Coleslaw because it's a mess of characters, yes?

ASCII-only

@Sherlock9 No, it's single byte character set :P

Sherlock9

Ah dang. You got my hopes up XD

Fair enough

Stack-based coleslaw does fit Actually quite well. Or rather, it Actually fits in a lot of cases haha

Beta Decay

@ASCII-only Yeah, a few years ago it was Golfscript, Pyth and CJam dominating the challenges but now various different languages are winning with tiny programs

Sherlock9

Jelly and 05A1BE come to mind

SIGSEGV

SBCS:Stack Based Code-golf Stuff

Beta Decay

8:47 AM

I was gonna say 05A1BE but I couldn't remember exactly what its name was

ASCII-only

@BetaDecay Jelly and 05AB1E

@SIGSEGV Charcoal isn't stack based

SIGSEGV

@ASCII-only meh whatever

I am recently making the language 'Periodic'

All atoms on the Periodic table, are commands/flags/constants

Beta Decay

Nice haha. Does it update when element names are changed/added?

SIGSEGV

Maybe

The name would kinda relate to the function

For example:

Iodine: I(Input)

Beta Decay

You could define a function by building a molecule. Say, CH3CH2CH2Cl would multiply two numbers together or something

ASCII-only

8:53 AM

Random = radium? radon?

SIGSEGV

Silicon:Si(Sine function)

ASCII-only

@BetaDecay Whay two numbers though

SIGSEGV

@ASCII-only I think Radium would fit

Beta Decay

@ASCII-only I dunno, I chose a random task

Erik the Outgolfer

"radon" sounds more like "random" than "radium" imo

Beta Decay

8:54 AM

@SIGSEGV Cobalt:Co (cosine)

Tantalum:Ta (Tangent)

Erik the Outgolfer

ah ninja'd

SIGSEGV

This language is getting shape quickly

Wow

ASCII-only

What would Oganesson do

Erik the Outgolfer

convert degrees to radians?

SIGSEGV

Hmm

Beta Decay

8:55 AM

@SIGSEGV Will there be overloading or not?

SIGSEGV

@BetaDecay IDK, I think lanthanides and actinides could be used for new functions

New Main Posts

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Q: SAS definition of a new data set including specific variables

I am just starting with data analysis - therefore i have to ask for your help as i am struggling with some problems. Let's say that i have a data set in excel, which contains following columns: id group salary 1 1 10 2 1 15 3 2 45 4 2 78 Using SAS EG i would like to create a new d...

data-structures

Destructible Lemon

Oxygen is output right?

Beta Decay

Phosphorus for Print

Sherlock9

@SIGSEGV Nah, there's all sorts of two letter digraphs that haven't been used, that you can use for new functions.

Destructible Lemon

8:58 AM

what should Fr francium be?

@Sherlock9 unrealistic

Erik the Outgolfer

Fluorine = Fibonacci

Sherlock9

118 elements vs 702 different digraphs

@DestructibleLemon You need all the 118 elements that exist for the built-ins, as is

Erik the Outgolfer

the 118 elements is what we're talking about

Beta Decay

@DestructibleLemon Fr: Plays French National Anthem

Destructible Lemon

I think you need to focus on essential control flow first

and also whether impossible molecules are allowed

Erik the Outgolfer

8:59 AM

Americium: plays US anthem (Star Spangled Banner)

Destructible Lemon

@EriktheOutgolfer no

it should launch smokedetector

Erik the Outgolfer

@DestructibleLemon smokedetector can only be managed by users which have very specific privileges on it for a reason

Destructible Lemon

@EriktheOutgolfer shhh

SIGSEGV

@DestructibleLemon Freeze (I cant think of the behaviour)

Erik the Outgolfer

@DestructibleLemon maybe join charcoal hq instead

Destructible Lemon

9:04 AM

so, how do you build a moecule

also the program should be an iupac name.

Erik the Outgolfer

I got an idea

how about making each command be char (atomic number - 1)? (code-golf)

or each element for that matter

SIGSEGV

@DestructibleLemon hell no

Destructible Lemon

why not?

its the logical way

because that way you can tell the structure

@EriktheOutgolfer what's the point of it being periodic then

SIGSEGV

Meh

Beta Decay

Every program has to be a molecule found on chemspider otherwise the program falls apart and the interpreter throws an error

SIGSEGV

9:07 AM

I had another esolang idea: chinese

Destructible Lemon

@BetaDecay no that's dumb

Erik the Outgolfer

@DestructibleLemon e.g. instead of Dy (element 66) write A (char 66 - 1 = 65)

maybe command-line flag or something

ASCII-only

@EriktheOutgolfer Yes like Charcoal

Destructible Lemon

@EriktheOutgolfer you should make a code page like that then

Beta Decay

@EriktheOutgolfer Too golfy :P

Erik the Outgolfer

9:09 AM

@DestructibleLemon why? we should assume Unicode, since elements can be continuously added to the periodic table

SIGSEGV

@EriktheOutgolfer theres no point of being periodic then, it would clearly not go well

Erik the Outgolfer

1 min ago, by Erik the Outgolfer

maybe command-line flag or something

@ASCII-only opposite of charcoal, the flag will activate golfy mode

ASCII-only

@EriktheOutgolfer Oh so ungolfy by default?

Erik the Outgolfer

because what's the point of being periodic otherwise?

ASCII-only

@EriktheOutgolfer IDK lol

Beta Decay

9:12 AM

@EriktheOutgolfer Because it's a fun gimmick

SIGSEGV

Sb should be inverse function of next atom

Cause.. Antimony

Beta Decay

xD

Erik the Outgolfer

:P

isaacg

I just discovered the sandbox viewer:

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A: Introducing the PPCG Sandbox Viewer™

Bug: Voting is cross-site request When I upvoted, Tampermonkey saw it as a cross-site request and flagged it. I'm not sure whether this a bug in the script or in SE, but I'll show it anyways:

That's an answer, but same difference. Anyhow, would it be possible to put a link to it in the Sandbox question? I wish I'd've heard about it earlier.

@Downgoat Can we put a link to the sandbox viewer from the sandbox?

Beta Decay

Me and Erik were just taking about that

ASCII-only

9:20 AM

@isaacg Wait I forgot this existed lol

Beta Decay

I have intentionally disabled the Sandbox Viewer, it was too buggy for me. — Erik the Outgolfer 58 mins ago

I found that too

Qwerp-Derp

9:52 AM

Is it possible to have a recursive regex in Python?

I want to match balanced brackets, but I'm wondering if it's even possible

Beta Decay

I don't think so

ASCII-only

@Qwerp-Derp regex module :P

Destructible Lemon

10:13 AM

also I passed 3000 rep

yay

ASCII-only

@DestructibleLemon what how

Destructible Lemon

covfefe

betseg

I think it's deleted?

Erik the Outgolfer

what?

Destructible Lemon

@betseg it is now

Erik the Outgolfer

10:32 AM

tfw you outrank Dennis

orlp

@Lembik btw, k^log(k) = e^(log(k)^2)

Kritixi Lithos

@EriktheOutgolfer Are you on a rep-cap streak?

yes

Nicely done!

> Jelly people

10:44 AM

@Dennis would you please be able to update the markdown post generator for Whitespace snippets to encode spaces like it currently does for tabs? SE currently mangles whitespace only lines in <pre> blocks (lines of literal spaces get trimmed)

Destructible Lemon

someone doesn't like trump memes

Ephphatha

oh whoops, I just found the TIO chat room