The Nineteenth Byte

Nathan Merrill

3:00 AM

I frequently close all unpinned tabs when I am switching tasks.

not to say that isn't solvable but "that breaks my workflow!"

user165474

I just switch tasks because of Linux activities. It's pretty nice.

Conor O'Brien

we should make a desktop version of TNB, so that you can have an app to distract you in addition to a browser

Pavel

@ConorO'Brien I believe that's known as "Discord"

user165474

If SE chat has an API, it would be possible.

Conor O'Brien

it does

@Pavel right, but Discord != this TNB

Qwerp-Derp

3:03 AM

Discord > this TNB IMO

Pavel

We should switch to Discord. Altogether be more convenient.

TrojanByAccident

I'm trying something new

Pavel

Especially since Discord released a linux build last week.

user165474

Wait, you can just enable desktop notifications for TNB. I just realized that.

TrojanByAccident

A teammate wrote the current pgs js and python interpreter

user165474

3:03 AM

Wait, there's a Linux build?

Pavel

It's new

TrojanByAccident

I'm going to try re-writing it

Pavel

@AlexL. Chat notifications are only for pings, and you need to keep the tab open anyway.

user165474

I am downloading that right now.

Mistah Figgins

What really irks me is that ctrl-tab moves to the next tab instead of the most recent (like alt-tab does). Because of this, I have a bunch of windows with 1-3 tabs open in each.

TrojanByAccident

3:04 AM

@Pavel Except for those on school or work computers that can't access the site or download the app

Pavel

@TrojanByAccident Where are you at that discordapp.com is blocked?

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel On my school laptop

as always

T_T

user165474

I think most schools probably block it. My school board does it as well.

Pavel

Oh, really?

wat

Let's please make a desktop chat.SE app

Where is the API documentation

Pavel

3:05 AM

And make a discord bot for it?

Qwerp-Derp

Ooh that might be nice

wat

no, it would be separate

Pavel

github.com/Manishearth/ChatExchange

wat

That's python.

Conor O'Brien

@AlexL. MY school is clueless and really only blocks social media sites (twitter, facebook, instagram. That's about it)

Nathan Merrill

3:08 AM

woah, looking up control flow: apparently some languages (Perl, Ruby) have a redo control flow statement

Pavel

@wat It's what you have to work with.

user165474

@ConorO'Brien My school doesn't block twitter or facebook, actually. In fact, they encourage its use for contact with clubs. What school do you go to?

Nathan Merrill

it jumps back to the beginning of the flow block

wat

@Pavel no other APIs?

Pavel

Not as far as I know, no.

Conor O'Brien

3:08 AM

@AlexL. I'd rather not say.

wat

@ConorO'Brien no adult websites blocked?

user165474

Okay.

Conor O'Brien

@wat idk, I never tried going there >_>

wat

@ConorO'Brien Probably wouldn't be a good idea

My school has one of the world's top rated filters apparently

called iBoss

Conor O'Brien

huh. that's cool

TrojanByAccident

3:09 AM

@wat My school website blocks half the internet as "uncategorized"

wat

It can even detect OpenVPN automatically

TrojanByAccident

@wat same

wat

@TrojanByAccident that's called a whitelist

our school uses a blacklist based approach

so they block ssh over wifi

TrojanByAccident

@wat but it allows some brand new game sites, and other questionable sites?

user165474

My school blocks some things as "insufficient content".

wat

3:10 AM

I connected an ethernet cable and could SSH into my web server

TrojanByAccident

I've learned to get around iBoss's block on youtube(the redirect to cleanvideosearch)

wat

then just did ssh -D 1080 dk0.us -N & and set a socks proxy for localhost:1080

Pavel

I've found this as a useful test for blacklist/whitelist: knucklecracker.com. For whatever reason, automated systems with blacklists don't pick it up, and I don't know why.

user165474

Fortunately my school doesn't block TNB.

wat

@TrojanByAccident games arent blocked

Pavel

3:11 AM

My current school manually blascklisted it.

Nathan Merrill

oh, the creeper game!

I loved that game

wat

oh yeah that!

TrojanByAccident

@wat That website Pavel just linked is blocked for "prohibited games content", by my school's iBoss filter

wat

I've been meaning to get that

Mistah Figgins

My school doesn't display images on SE, so certain questions/sites are next to impossible to fully apreciate

wat

3:12 AM

@TrojanByAccident Why are games blocked?

TrojanByAccident

@MistahFiggins same

wat

everyone has phones anyway so there's no point

Pavel

But they can see if you're on your phone

Nathan Merrill

if I was a school, I'd block games

Pavel

And confiscate said phone

wat

3:12 AM

TrojanByAccident

@wat because we're a cyberschool, so if games weren't blocked, students could be on games all day

wat

@TrojanByAccident same here but oddly no one every does that

although they could

Pavel

waitwaitwaitwaitwaitwaitwait NEW KNUCKLECRACKER GAME!!!

wat

One thing I miss about Windows: ShareX. Shutter isn't the same.

Pavel

@wat Tab explosion much?

wat

3:13 AM

@Pavel WTF I JSUT NOTICED THAT OMGWTF

@Pavel by my standards that's only a few

El'endia Starman

...I am increasingly becoming convinced that maybe TNB really does need to be split into two chat rooms.

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel They can't look through your webcam and check if you're on your phone lool

wat

I once had over 200 tabs open

TrojanByAccident

@wat pfft

user165474

That seems slightly inconvenient.

TrojanByAccident

3:14 AM

That's nothing

Pavel

@TrojanByAccident TEACHERS have EYES.

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel Cyberschool?

wat

@AlexL. I used a tree tab view extension

Pavel

Oh yeah

TrojanByAccident

lol

Pavel

3:15 AM

Why don't you use a personal laptop then

wat

Not anymore, now I just groom them sometimes

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel My mom has it, cuz she's using it for work because something's up with hers atm

Also, my personal laptop is horrible

my 32 gig flash drive has more storage than it

wat

@TrojanByAccident time to install lubuntu!

TrojanByAccident

@wat no, I tried to install ubuntu on my flash drive and failed

5 times

wat

@TrojanByAccident how

TrojanByAccident

3:17 AM

so I'm not even going to attempt doing it to my laptop

Pavel

How do you install an OS to a flash drive? It doesn't work that way.

wat

I have a multiboot usb drive in my pocket with an installation of Arch and Ubuntu (on the same btrfs partition, different subvolumes) plus a bunch of rescue and installation ISO images.

TrojanByAccident

@wat Tried with 3 different linux isos, 2 different imaging programs

wat

@Pavel You can treat it the same as any hard drive

@TrojanByAccident use etcher

or rufus

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel How do install an OS to a hard drive?

@wat I tried Rufus and LiLi

wat

3:18 AM

use etcher and a Lubuntu ISO

Pavel

Do you mean you're installing FROM a usb?

wat

or follow the instructions here

TrojanByAccident

@wat link

wat

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Multiboot_USB_drive

etcher.io

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel no, imaging an ISO file onto a flash drive

@wat I tried arch

wat

3:19 AM

cdimage.ubuntu.com/lubuntu/releases/yakkety/release/…

TrojanByAccident

I couldn't figure out how to get it to work

i asked on irc

wat

@TrojanByAccident That link is for a multiboot ISO flash drive tutorial

TrojanByAccident

the people there kinda just laughed and went "not for first-timers"

@wat i know

wat

@TrojanByAccident did you installation guide?

Pavel

That's not how it works. When you image an iso to a flash drive, you're creating a USB that you can install ubuntu from.

wat

3:20 AM

@Pavel You can also plug in a second flash drive, then install to it

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel I then run my flash drive in a portable VM

Pavel

I know at least Ubuntu won't let you install itself on a flash drive.

wat

I actually had to do the Lubuntu install via VM

Onto a flash drive

Through VirtualBox

Pavel

They show up differently

wat

@Pavel use the alternate installer then

Or use arch, pacstrap doesn't care

The install ation process with arch was so much simpler

You just mount the disk somewhere and pacstrap -i <mountpoint> <packages/groups you need>

Pavel

3:22 AM

Ubuntu installation is incredibly easy. Download iso, image to usb, boot from usb, run installer.

TrojanByAccident

I don't dare install another OS on my school laptop

wat

I used something like

pacstrap -i <mountpoint> base base-devel lxde lightdm xorg-server xorg-server-utils xorg-apps vim zsh git gnome-backgrounds

TrojanByAccident

which is the only computer I have access to that I can install it on e.e

wat

@Pavel yeah well you can install arch from a running system

TrojanByAccident

Wait a minute

Pavel

3:23 AM

Can you replace that hard drive?

TrojanByAccident

hold on a second

How did we get here?

Nathan Merrill

oooh! I just found a really good idea: instead of a while loop, make a forever loop. All of your break statements are followed by a condition that determines if they break the loop

Pavel

Your school's filter is annoying af

Nathan Merrill

because if (some condition){break;} is so common

Qwerp-Derp

Well now I have to learn Java and use Eclipse

Pavel

3:25 AM

do {
    i++;
    print(i);
    break i>=10;
}

?

Nathan Merrill

yep

Pavel

@Qwerp-Derp Wait why

That's a terrible idea

Nathan Merrill

it gives you the ability to do do-while, while, and break out of other loops (like a foreach) easily

Qwerp-Derp

Cause I'm making a big project in Processing

@Pavel What's wrong with Eclipse

Pavel

EVERYTHING

jetbrains.com/idea

Nathan Merrill

3:26 AM

I do prefer Jetbrains, but Eclipse really is pretty good

Pavel

Ok, unlike many other things about which I will happily war about all day, I actually will accept Eclipse is fine.

TrojanByAccident

intelij is where it's at

Pavel

But IntelliJ is better.

H Walters

@NathanMerrill Sounds like something Ada does

Nathan Merrill

looking it up, thanks for the reference

TrojanByAccident

3:27 AM

@Pavel ninja'd by 3s

H Walters

Loop/End Loop with Exit When

Pavel

Not necesarily, the point is stronger with repetition.

H Walters

(It has other loops)

Pavel

@Qwerp-Derp if you need any help, ping me, k?

Qwerp-Derp

I think I should just stick with Sublime and deal with all of my Processing files in one folder

Or should I learn Java and do multiple-folder magics?

Pavel

3:29 AM

Yes.

It's good for you.

Nathan Merrill

@HWalters looking at it: does Ada require you to name all of your loops?

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel yes to what

wat

@Pavel u.dk0.us/archiseasy.mp4

Pavel

Learning java from processing won't be hard, and it's a lot more useful.

Qwerp-Derp

True that

Alright here's a big question: C++ or Java?

Nathan Merrill

3:29 AM

(If I want to exit it)

wat

@Qwerp-Derp imo c++

H Walters

@NathanMerrill Not that I recall, but it's convenient. Unlike many languages, you can have an outer and inner loop, and in the inner one, exit to a specific outer one.

Pavel

Java will take less time to learn since you know processing

H Walters

You do that by name

wat

c++ is more low level and faster, but considered complicated

Pavel

3:30 AM

It depends on what you need it for

wat

I personally dislike java

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel Isn't Java slow though?

wat

It's a higher level language, it has garbage collection, it's interpretable on many platforms...

@Qwerp-Derp minecraft

Qwerp-Derp

@wat That's true

Nathan Merrill

@HWalters right, that's actually pretty common among languages, but all of their examples have named loops

Pavel

3:31 AM

Not as slow as say, Python.

It's in the middle.

Nathan Merrill

en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Ada_Programming/Control#Loops

Qwerp-Derp

True

I'll learn Java

wat

@Pavel did you watch the video

Qwerp-Derp

It's not as low-level as C++ right?

I don't know the difference between Java and C++ IMO

Pavel

Yes

wat

3:32 AM

that's what you need to do to install arch on an image file

Pavel

Memory management is automatic, no pointers to deal with.

Qwerp-Derp

IntelliJ is better right?

Or Eclipse?

Pavel

IntelliJ

Nathan Merrill

C++ really is a unique language. With all of the work on it, and a gazillion libraries, I wouldn't really consider it low level anymore

wat

on ubuntu you would need to do some FunkyMagic™ to get the image file onto a VM and then install using the installer

Nathan Merrill

3:32 AM

however, if you compare it to C, then yeah, that's a low level language

Qwerp-Derp

@NathanMerrill Upstar for "a gazillion languages"

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wat

From arch, you just do pacman -S arch-install-scripts and then run that command

TrojanByAccident

@Qwerp-Derp IntelliJ

Qwerp-Derp

What's the difference

wat

then arch-chroot <mountpoint> and configure it

H Walters

3:33 AM

@Qwerp-Derp "Low level" is a bit misleading... most people tend to picture this here as being "more assembly like", but it really means "closer to assembly" (that's a different thing)... C++'s considered a middle level language

wat

and you're done

TrojanByAccident

@Qwerp-Derp It's just better

H Walters

C++ and C are on the same "level", but C++ has higher level abstractions

Pavel

Easier to use, prettier, doesn't require package declaration

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel ??

Oh

Mistah Figgins

3:34 AM

I've only ever used eclipse - probably should check out IntelliJ

Qwerp-Derp

How big is IntelliJ vs Eclipse?

Pavel

IntelliJ is smaller iirc

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat how do I read a line of STDIN in node.js?

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien oh, easy

github.com/cheddar-lang/syncprompt

Qwerp-Derp

342 MB for an installer??? what

Conor O'Brien

3:35 AM

is it? it feels painful

Pavel

IDEs are big

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat :o trying out

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel mine isn't that big

Qwerp-Derp

Eclipse is only 169 mb

TrojanByAccident

but neither is pgs

Qwerp-Derp

3:37 AM

I have 3manyides5me

Downgoat

@Pavel my IDE can fit on floppy disk

Pavel

Oh yeah, IntelliJ comes with a bunch of optional features, like android SDK and stuff

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Pavel

When creating your first IntelliJ project:
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Conor O'Brien

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@Downgoat

Downgoat

3:41 AM

FFS windows

Conor O'Brien

;-;

Downgoat

It's the slashes I bet

Conor O'Brien

I think node normalizes those?

Downgoat

I thoughts so too

use:

process.stdin.resume()
process.stdin.on('data', function(foo) {
// ... code
});

and ill try fix later

TrojanByAccident

@Downgoat Yeah, aren't Windows file paths always with backslash?

Pavel

3:43 AM

yes'

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat but I need a sync way to do it >_>

do you have any libraries you can point me to

Downgoat

Uh, can you wait like 5-15mins for me to fix?

I dunno anything that works besides that

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat yeah, definitely. I'm just working on porting stacked to node.js. No rush.

CMC: convert line endings in a file to CRLF

quartata

Node's way of forcing async down your throat still bothers me. I kind of like the way ES7 has it with async propagating up until it hits an await

@ConorO'Brien man dos2unix

Conor O'Brien

@quartata yes it does bother me as well. It also makes code really hard to port.

Nathan Merrill

3:52 AM

I'm looking at Go's defer....it's some serious magic

defer someFunc(someParam)

quartata

Pytek has \detach

Nathan Merrill

it immediately resolves someParam, but doesn't resolve someFunc

quartata

It's kind of like \yield in that the function becomes a new thread and returns a thread object

@NathanMerrill Huh

Nathan Merrill

I guess "resolve" isn't the word. It doesn't call someFunc

H Walters

Hmmm... defer reads like an automatic dtor in C++

Conor O'Brien

3:54 AM

or on(return) in event-driven pseudo-code

H Walters

coroutines are cool

quartata

Coroutines are great. A shame more languages don't have them

boost::context helps

I hope it arrives in C++1z to replace ucontext

H Walters

Not sure how to piece it together, but I was toying with the idea of capturing a function's scope, allowing part of it to have nested functions, and using coroutine like methods to sort of marry objects, pure functions, and coroutines into a single construct

Nathan Merrill

woah, this is even more magic

func c() (i int) {
    defer func() { i++ }()
    return 1
}

quartata

\shared lets you observe the scope of a thread or coroutine in Pytek as long as the variables have modifier shared:

Nathan Merrill

3:59 AM

that (i int) is naming the return value

and the deferred function is incrementing it

quartata

You can modify or add ones too

@NathanMerrill I hate that feature of Go.

Nathan Merrill

really? I'm interested in your arguments

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