The Nineteenth Byte

@Mego We had 48 nominations this time. Those would have to posted from several different accounts to prevent problems with serial voting. If posted from one, voting for one entry in each category should be enough to trip up the system.

Pavel

The version on github you'd need to compile manually.

Conor O'Brien

@Dennis I thought this was a mantissa

Dennis

1:33 AM

I'm also not convinced downvoting has a place in an election, although I was rooting for the Sidi answer myself.

Pavel

@ConorO'Brien That was literally two weeks ago, how did you find that.

Conor O'Brien

@Pavel it became relevant

Pavel

Well, I trust Wolfram Mathworld on most things, but it's best to assume Dennis is just correct.

Maltysen

@ConorO'Brien I think he means exponent

Dennis

@ConorO'Brien There are three different definitions of mantissa and I used the fourth one... >_>

Conor O'Brien

1:38 AM

@Dennis I see. So the mantissa page is misleading

Dennis

It should have been mantissa and exponent, not coefficient and mantissa. Coefficient and mantissa are synonyms in this case.

Pavel

wait dennis was wrong

Dennis

Serves me right for trying to use CS speak.

Maltysen

@Dennis oh wow never knew that you could call the coefficient the mantissa

Dennis

Despite some rumors stating otherwise, I am a normal human being typing with my human hands and thinking with my human brain. Mistakes happen.

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Pavel

1:41 AM

xkcd.com/1530 <-relevant xkcd

Conor O'Brien

unonebox, please

Dennis

Well, I'm definitely not a giant spider.

PhiNotPi

@Dennis /r/totallynotrobots

Conor O'Brien

Check out this relevant xkcd <-- no onebox

TrojanByAccident

alright, I downloaded the zip. what do I do with it now?

Pavel

1:42 AM

Oh, k.

@TrojanByAccident i.imgur.com/3HpzqSh.png <-Guide for using java libraries

Dennis

@PhiNotPi OK, s is substitute. What does r do?

Pavel

Extract the zip to it's own folder, add the folder

PhiNotPi

@Dennis makes it more Reddit

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel to what?

Dennis

Right, Reddit. I keep trying to forget that exists.

Pavel

1:44 AM

@TrojanByAccident Please view the attached tutorial for adding java libraries: i.imgur.com/3HpzqSh.png

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel I'm not sure what you mean

PhiNotPi

@Dennis it's a pretty great place filled with terrible people

Pavel

Go to intelliJ.

Press CtrlAltShiftS

TrojanByAccident

@Pavel downloading lol

Pavel

Click on 'Libraries'

Click '+'

Add folder

Conor O'Brien

1:47 AM

@PhiNotPi the internet, right?

Pavel

@ConorO'Brien Our little corner of it is filled with great people!

Destructible Watermelon

2:00 AM

ummmm

Pavel

what?

Destructible Watermelon

I was playing stockfish level 3 and it randomly sacrificed its queen

I won

Pavel

I believe you said this earlier?

Destructible Watermelon

no

TrojanByAccident

yes

Destructible Watermelon

2:01 AM

that was against a human player in blitz

this is the computer in correspondence

TrojanByAccident

2 hours ago, by Destructible Watermelon

that moment when you're about to lose and then the opponent sacrifices their queen for no reason

that?

Pavel

Wait, what app are you using?

Destructible Watermelon

lichess

website

LegionMammal978

Good thing I have headphones, the CPU fan is on at around ~1.3kRPM currently :P

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien do you know if all JSON.stringify outputs can be guaranteed to be valid JavaScript?

Destructible Watermelon

2:05 AM

oh, I think i was on track to win so much that it did that because it would delay losing

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat are you using eval >_>

TrojanByAccident

hax

ATaco

Eval doesn't work on many mobiles.

It's Evil

TrojanByAccident

it told me I couldn't install intellij without admin access

hell yeah

just did

LegionMammal978

@ATaco Last I checked, it's not just Evil but EVIL

Downgoat

2:06 AM

@ConorO'Brien no

I am writing JS transpiler

Conor O'Brien

it's valid JS but info may be lost (e.g. symbols)

Downgoat

Are you 100% sure like even with encodings and stuff?

Conor O'Brien

what do you mean by "encodings and stuff"?

Downgoat

Though I guess JavaScript object notation is probably going to always be valid JavaScript object notation

@ConorO'Brien like would JSON.stringify mangle 🐐 or other special characters?

quartata

mangle boxes?

TrojanByAccident

2:09 AM

lol

Downgoat

emojis and other unicode surrogates

ATaco

Downgoat is posting Upgoats, "Mods!"

Pavel

There should be a downgoat emoji

Let's write the Unicode Consortium

Downgoat

even better: a "down" unicode modified so we can have Downdows, Downcats, Downcucumbers, Downeverything!

Conor O'Brien

@Downgoat what specifically are you trying to do? I'd just write your own converter

Downgoat

2:12 AM

Yeah that's what I've descided

This is for smushifier

Conor O'Brien

for what

Downgoat

@ConorO'Brien what is for what? :|

Conor O'Brien

what is smushifier

Downgoat

oh github.com/vihanb/smushify

It's basically like webpack but better

quartata

pls no

Downgoat

2:16 AM

what is wrong?

quartata

making js tools in general especially something as depraved as webpack

Downgoat

yes but what is wrong

Because node dependencies are handled at runtime. 70% of time is spent compiling the dependencies which is giant slow down

This will make cheddar as fast as Windows Vista hopefully

Dennis

Oh, the horror...

quartata

Yay system bloat

Downgoat

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Cheddar naturally takes time to age

Dennis

2:26 AM

If it's also as stable as Vista, you're into deep dung.

quartata

No I mean these stupid JS tools

Downgoat

@Dennis I'm about as stable as a goat on the edge of a 90º cliff

@quartata I don't think you are understanding what I am doing

it's nothing like webpack in how it does things

quartata

React in particular is on the top of my shitlist. Slow as molasses

Downgoat

haha, OK

maybe I don't know what real speed is since I code mostly in JS but I mean if you think React is slow you have not seen angular & co. yet

quartata

I guess I don't understand what this tool does. Doesn't Gulp handle transpiling the ES6 and polyfilling

Qwerp-Derp

2:41 AM

@Pavel Alright I am very confuse

Wheat Wizard

tio.run/nexus/stackcats#@69lp2WjYaeppWGjCWRp/f@fkZqTkw8A

Pavel

@Qwerp-Derp What happened

1000000000

CMC: What is the shortest stack cats program that ends on a different stack than it started

(From a discussion Wheat Wizard and I were having)

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel I need a good tutorial for LWJGL halp

Can you give me link for tutorial?

Pavel

goharsha.com/lwjgl-tutorial-series/hello-window

1000000000

2:47 AM

@WheatWizard *>*<(>)*(<)>*<* (for those too lazy to click the link)

Wheat Wizard

@1000000000 (>)*(<)

quartata

LWJGL is a paper thin layer over OpenGL. Learn OpenGL.

Pavel

@quartata wat no

Way to hard

Not really

But why reinvent the wheel?

Someone has already done the work for you.

quartata

???

Pavel

I'm in the middle of an argument with my friend, also about LWJGL.

Ignore me

Qwerp-Derp

2:50 AM

@Pavel Wat why did you type here

Was it accident?

Pavel

ye

Qwerp-Derp

@Pavel But isn't that outdated

The tutorial

Pavel

Best one I know of. Should still be mostly ok.

Sp3000

@1000000000 !I! should work, I believe

quartata

You know there's an LWJGL wiki right

Pavel

2:53 AM

Oh right

That

wiki.lwjgl.org/wiki/LWJGL_Basics_1_(The_Display).html

quartata

Anyways read the red book first

1000000000

@Sp3000 facepalms totally forgot about I

Sp3000

Wait, not quite because of input stack

Just I is fine

Yeah

Qwerp-Derp

@quartata Red book?

quartata

OpenGL Programming Guide

1000000000

2:55 AM

@WheatWizard This does not work

Qwerp-Derp

Screw it I'm going to use Processing

quartata

Why?

Qwerp-Derp

3complicated5me

Downgoat

@quartata this just concatenates your JS files

quartata

@Qwerp-Derp It isn't that bad...

@Downgoat That seems like it would be problematic

Downgoat

3:00 AM

Why/how?

quartata

How are you going to handle namespaces and include order

Qwerp-Derp

@quartata Too much content to absorb my brain is borked

quartata

Did you read the wiki article Pavel linked?

Downgoat

@quartata javascript does not have those

nodejs requires are not like Java's packages or like C includes

quartata

You have to explicitly export functions outside of a file's own namespace. That's my point

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3:12 AM

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Stop walking into walls! code-golf Other tag suggestions? Some text-based roguelikes don't let you walk into walls, and give you your move back if you try to. Why do that when you can make the player move in the closest valid direction? The challenge Write a program of function that, given a ...

Qwerp-Derp

@quartata Is that properly updated for LWJGL3?

@Pavel That's for LWJGL2

Cause Displays are LWJGL2, and are replaced by GLFW

quartata

So I just found out Python is not block scoped. My entire life has been a lie.

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Pavel

See? You know more than I do.

This is ez.

quartata

@Qwerp-Derp LWJGL3 is weird and kind of unstable

Qwerp-Derp

@quartata Wat

So should I use it?

Or should I just go with LWJGL2

IDK

I'm very confuse :(

quartata

3:27 AM

Try both :P (FWIW I'm speaking about 2014's LWJGL3. It may be better now.)

New Main Posts

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We all know that you can make source code look like a different language with some trickery. However, can you make it so that your source code parses in both languages? Your goal is to have code that looks like one specific language, but runs in two languages. You can assume whoever is readi...

Qwerp-Derp

Actually it's not that bad

I looked at a tutorial and it's pretty nice

New Sandboxed Posts

3:46 AM

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Compress a maximal discrepancy 2-sequence code-golf kolmogorov-complexity Output this sequence of 1160 symbols. You can use any two distinct characters or values for + and - in any list-like or string-like format. Your code should take at most 5 seconds to run. -++-+--++-++-+--+--++-+--+--++-+-...

wat

4:17 AM

anyone want to help me on the native Stack Exchange Chat client?

Probably written in Ruby

Pavel

Nah, can't Ruby.

wat

Meh

Doorknob

@wat You may find this useful, despite its no longer working due to changes in how auth works (which shouldn't be too hard to fix).

wat

Can you Python? @Pavel

@Doorknob Thank you!!

Pavel

I can python, but I can't python well.

Downgoat

4:25 AM

@Pavel Python cannot well so I don't think anyone can Python well :P

Pavel

No, I mean I wrote my first class last week.

I generally just dump everything into a .py file without functions or classes

It's pretty bad.

Downgoat

To be fair Python is scripting language so that's OK ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Conor O'Brien

obfuscation

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Dennis

@Mego Are the longest cycles in your challenge unique?

Pavel

This is really wierd. Something went wrong with my internet, and I can recieve messages here and in Discord, but not access the internet in any other way

Downgoat

4:38 AM