The Nineteenth Byte

quartata

6:00 PM

in Portuguese I mean

orlp

taking out the trash

i.imgur.com/PepgwJs.gifv

Upgoat

@orlp odd... I didn't see her take Python out...

TimmyD

@Mego .NET strings are inherently UTF-16 ... that's probably part of the issue

Anonymous

in Estouro de Pilha, 6 mins ago, by Peter Parker

Palhaço

Fatalize

"peter parker"

Maltysen

6:01 PM

oh, I saw that flag too

Anonymous

It's not even an offensive/slang term. It's just literally the word "clown"

quartata

@Mego Weird.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Could you come to the zyabinVI beta room?

Maltysen

@Mego maybe it is slang in Portuguese and you just don't know :P

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 busy on cheddar >_> (almost done with v0.3 which is very big release tho)

Anonymous

6:02 PM

I chose "not sure" on the flag because I don't know enough Portuguese to understand the context, but I'm fairly certain it wasn't a valid flag

quartata

@Maltysen It isn't

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat Why busy on cheddar?

quartata

At least I don't think

Anonymous

@Maltysen I know it's not slang in Portuguese. I know enough of the language to be sure of that.

Upgoat

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 gotta to testing because no one else is ;_;

Anonymous

6:03 PM

@TimmyD ffs microsoft

quartata

@Mego Looks like the guy was asking for help

The other guy said something and then he said "clown"

I guess it was kinda offensive? Dunno

orlp

spare wheel

quartata

@orlp wat

Anonymous

@quartata In English, the equivalent exchange would be:

Fatalize

Apparently it can also be used as an insult close to "buffoon"

Anonymous

6:04 PM

A: Can I get some help?
B: I don't know, can you?
A: You troll.

Anonymous

That wouldn't be offensive

quartata

yeah that's what it looks like

Anonymous

But again, I don't know enough Portuguese to fully grasp the context, so I'll let a fluent speaker decide :P

TimmyD

Dec 10 '15 at 16:09, by TimmyD

> The most cutting thing you can say to someone is "Who's this clown?" because it implies a) they're a clown, and b) not even one of the better-known clowns.

Upgoat

@TimmyD ;_; y u hate clowns?

orlp

6:08 PM

how to roll asphalt: i.imgur.com/YZGMh0s.gif

TimmyD

@Upgoat Oh. Oh. Jeez. Imagine how much I'd hate a goat-clown. :p

quartata

@Upgoat I thought the point was to be scared of them

Upgoat

@TimmyD Q_Q

Maltysen

8

Anonymous

@Maltysen oh god that scared me when I tabbed back to chat

Anonymous

6:18 PM

Challenge idea: cat count. Given an image, count how many cats are in the image. Battery challenge, with official counts for each image in the test cases.

Upgoat

@Maltysen O_O

Maltysen

@Mego sounds fun

Anonymous

Maybe throw in some Minecraft screenshots to mess with the inevitable Mathematica builtin solution

Maltysen

does mc have cats?

Anonymous

It has ocelots

Anonymous

6:21 PM

minecraft.gamepedia.com/Ocelot

Anonymous

Lots of ocelots

Upgoat

this is brilliant answer you should all go upvote it

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Upgoat I don't Super User.

Upgoat

upgoatapp.com best app 10/10

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

But when I get a computer-related question, I might. :)

Rainbolt

6:25 PM

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 What questions?

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Rainbolt I need casting cost, card types, rules and flavour text for each of Martin Büttner, Dennis, Doorknob and Alex A.

I made rare cards for them. :)

Rainbolt

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I can provide suitable casting costs, card types, and fix your rules text to fit the standard format. I'll leave the creative parts to you.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Then I'm in trouble.

So, Alex A. is a magpie.

Rainbolt

Magpies are creature type Creature - Bird (source)

Upgoat

halp how open safari without restoring tabs >_>

^ that happened

Rainbolt

6:30 PM

Open Safari without Restoring Tabs and Windows – Quick Tip

Upgoat

doesn't work for me

Poke

@Upgoat the answer is to not use safari :]

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Doorknob is a doorknob.

I can't provide a suitable creature type for that. :/

Rainbolt

Doors are typically artifacts source1 source2

So I imagine a doorknob is as well

Upgoat

@Rainbolt 10/10 very reliabe source will use on my next research paper

Maltysen

6:35 PM

@Upgoat the one you're writing on goat clowns?

quartata

I think this is the first time I've had to iterate through the same array 3 times

I'm guessing there's a better way but I'm too lazy

Oh I'm dumb, I don't need the third one. Oops.

Poke

@Rainbolt wow doors are really good... too bad there aren't enough to make a door deck

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Martin Büttner and Dennis should be human.

DanTheMan

@Poke www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Door%20Deck

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Aaaaand... there is a creature type for that. It is called as you would expect: Human.

Poke

6:43 PM

@DanTheMan i see.

ignoring that definition was added in 2007 and only has 6 votes, i regret nothing

DanTheMan

It was the first Google result. Don't blame me.

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Okay @Rainbolt, I'll send you the Magic Set Editor file and let you know what happens.

Maltysen

@DanTheMan #dogs #uncles

._.

Anonymous

Count the Cats has been ~~litterboxed~~ sandboxed

Upgoat

@Maltysen how do you know this. stalker

Maltysen

6:57 PM

@Mego how about changing your scoring to RMS? its isomorphic to the current setup and will let one better see "how wrong on average" he was

@Upgoat no reason >_>

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Rainbolt here's the base64'd MSE file: bpaste.net/raw/c3f1f403ab31

Make sure you downloaded the program from magicseteditor.sourceforge.net

muddyfish

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 Thanks...

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@muddyfish I asked Rainbolt >_>

muddyfish

I wanted to lookanyway

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Then convert the file from base64 into file CodeGolf-StackExchange.mse-set.

Then look in this file using Magic Set Editor.

Anonymous

7:06 PM

@Maltysen Because there's no real advantage, and sum-of-squared-differences always results in an integer.

muddyfish

md5sum 6859b65d8caab125ba1b2ef5297fabd5?

Anonymous

The point of SSD is, the more wrong you are, the drastically worse your score is

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Count the Cats code-challenge image-processing test-battery This is a cat: Specifically, that is my cat. She is my only cat. And, in that image, there is only one cat: her. These are also cats (image credit): In that picture, there are two cats. It is relatively easy to count them, thanks...

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@muddyfish 8dfcd4d767d4f806c0b555d441942a35

TimmyD

@Mego codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/83673/bytes-character/…

Anonymous

7:14 PM

@TimmyD Interesting. Notepad++ defaults to UTF-8 no BOM for me.

TimmyD

Vice versa for me.

UTF-8 with BOM

Rainbolt

@zʏᴀʙiɴ101 I have to download a program to help you? :(

Anonymous

I probably (digitally) beat up Notepad++ in the past so that it wouldn't include the BOM and now don't remember it

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

@Rainbolt I made the set in Magic Set Editor, so yes, you have to.

TimmyD

Oh, ffs, Microsoft -.-

Wait ... what exactly does that mean? "This parameter is not supported by any providers that are installed with Windows PowerShell."

Upgoat

7:20 PM

@Maltysen ¬_¬

TimmyD

Since the -Delimiter parameter has the same wording, but I know I've used that.

Anonymous

I dunno

Anonymous

Microsoft is weird bro

TimmyD

Yes

Upgoat

@Quill stuff is borked ;-;: Error: Cannot find module 'chai'

Anonymous

7:24 PM

The best part about making this cats challenge is, the large number of pictures I've taken of my cat is now justified

flawr

CMC: Write a hello world program. md5-hash the code of your program. The program with the lowest md5 hash wins hash-golf

Upgoat

@Mego can penguins own cats? Won't the cat get cold in the igloo?

TimmyD

PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> Get-Content y.txt
1,2,3,4,5

PS C:\Tools\Scripts\golfing> (get-content -Delimiter ',' .\y.txt)[2]
3,

grr

Anonymous

@Upgoat Not all penguins are polar

Upgoat

I thought penguins were arctic?

flawr

7:26 PM

@Mego And there are are polar cats.

Anonymous

@flawr Actually: H (md5 is c1d9f50f86825a1a2302ec2449c17196, or 257672702025194730606776594885502923158 in decimal)

Upgoat

@flawr that looks like cat faces photoshopped onto polar bears :P

flawr

Anonymous

@Upgoat Many penguins are antarctic. Not all of them.

Upgoat

oh wait they are ._.

@Mego oh ok, i dont know how to penguin

flawr

7:27 PM

@Upgoat upgoat-is-wrong

Anonymous

The Galápagos penguin lives near the equator

TimmyD

Argh ... the -Encoding parameter works. stackoverflow.com/questions/22789415/…

Upgoat

@flawr ;_;

flawr

@Mego What a pussy. Can't bear the cold?

muddyfish

"hello world"D5KKKK - 09beff048db9d94316687a67230a2c25

Anonymous

7:29 PM

Smaller penguins tend to live in warmer regions

TimmyD

TIL -- Don't use PowerShell for UTF-8.

Upgoat

TIL -- Don't use PowerShell

Anonymous

@Upgoat truth

TimmyD

@Upgoat Boo.

Anonymous

Not being able to do Unicode properly is a dealbreaker

Anonymous

7:30 PM

It's 20-freaking-16, get with the times

TimmyD

PowerShell works fine. Just apparently don't ever leave Microsoft's happy little Win32 bubble.

flawr

Upgoat

@Mego cough python2 cough

Anonymous

@Upgoat Python 2 does Unicode. It does it poorly, but at least it works.

Upgoat

:/ okay fair enough

is xor that important in a language?

Anonymous

7:32 PM

Besides, Python 3 is 7.5 years old at this point. It's very much the modern Python language.

Anonymous

@Upgoat It either is or it isn't

Upgoat

but it still isn't the default when I type python in my terminal

Anonymous

That's your problem

Upgoat

;_;

TimmyD

C:\Tools\Scripts>python
'python' is not recognized as an internal or external command,
operable program or batch file.

:D

Upgoat

7:33 PM

alias python='python3'

Anonymous

Also, Python 2.0 was released nearly 16 years ago. It had Unicode support. The latest PowerShell release was last year.

Upgoat

fixed it

TimmyD

@Mego It "has" Unicode support ...

Anonymous

The fact that you used quotes means that you know how false that really is :P

TimmyD

> From a certain point of view. -Obi-wan Kenobi

Anonymous

7:35 PM

From my point of view, it is PowerShell that is incompetent!

Upgoat

solution: throw windows computer in trash can (i.e. put it in powershell) and install ubuntu

Anonymous

PowerShell devs: "We hate Unicode. It's coarse and rough and irritating and it gets everywhere."

Upgoat

PowerShell devs: "Screw rest of world, english lang is best lang"

:D I made cheddar gource

muddyfish

991930;"hello world - 0000017a2012714a231366da2c965263

TimmyD

@muddyfish What happens to the 991930?

muddyfish

7:40 PM

It gets removed from the stack

; - remove all items from the stack

TimmyD

Oh right ... stack based ... not command delimiter.

muddyfish

min((md5sum(str(i)+';"hello world'),i)for i in xrange(100000000))

TimmyD

Ain't no force like brute force.

muddyfish

It's still running...

Anonymous

You could do the same thing with Actually with min(every_string_that_does_not_include_period(), key=lambda s:md5sum(s+b'éH'))

Anonymous

7:47 PM

Basically iterate over every string that does not include any of .zü■, and append éH

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

This is a work in progress, I've never posted a challenge here and barely made any answers. I saw this as a problem over on CodeReview, here is the original question. I thought it would be fun to golf. John has discovered various rocks. Each rock is composed of various elements, and each e...

zʏᴀʙiɴ101

Captain Man lol

muddyfish

53681801;"hello world - 0000003496c75b26c3bf17778b3be7c6

TimmyD

8:03 PM

One does not simply enter Arstotzka a few hours early. — JonathanReez 8 hours ago

muddyfish

24046227K"hello world - 00000018e278ae208d821e17c8006916

Martin Ender

PSA: For next time you get into a heated debate with someone who has strong opinions on where braces should be placed in C-family languages, I have come up with this new convention which is guaranteed to end the discussion immediately:

for (i = 0; i < max; ++i)
{
    for (j = 0; j < max; ++j)
    {
        for (k = 0; k < max; ++k)
        {
            ...
}   }   }

Fatalize

^ no... just no

TimmyD

Ugh my eyes

Martin Ender

isn't it beautiful?

Anonymous

8:14 PM

Brb making proposal to Geneva Convention to outlaw that

Martin Ender

I knew you'd like it

Anonymous

Besides, why are you using braces at all

Anonymous

You could easily golf those out and combine it into a sick one-liner

Martin Ender

depending on what ... is...

TimmyD

I personally go with the on-the-same-line camp, since the PowerShell ISE collapses it nicely that way.

Anonymous

8:16 PM

@muddyfish I assumed we would be using the standard PPCG spelling of HW (Hello, World!)

Martin Ender

@TimmyD I used to be strongly in favour of that as well, but opening brace on the next line has the advantage that you can just comment out the actual control statement to run the code unconditionally if you want to test something

TimmyD

Anonymous

{// isn't that hard to type

Martin Ender

but annoying and ugly

Anonymous

If you're writing in a C-based lang, it's already ugly :P

Anonymous

8:17 PM

How I do braces in C-based langs:

Martin Ender

what camp are you in? significant indentation? D:

TimmyD

Yeah, except that {...} in PowerShell by itself is a separate code block and has special rules

Anonymous

for(int i = 0; i < 42; i++) {
  // stuff
}

TimmyD

wow, look at all that whitespace

;-)

El'endia Starman

@Mego That's how I do it too.

muddyfish

8:18 PM

Why is [(i in sub) for sub in seq] a SyntaxError in python?

Anonymous

For golfing, for(int i=42;i;i--)

Martin Ender

that clearly needs to be --i

TimmyD

We've got a fencepost over here.

El'endia Starman

@muddyfish It's not for me. (Python 3.)

Anonymous

It clearly makes no difference unless you really need 2 more free bytes of RAM

Anonymous

8:20 PM

Or 1 or 4, depending on how big your ints are

muddyfish

@El'endiaStarman I forgot the brackets around the print statement ;)

Martin Ender

but there is no reason ever to favour i++ over ++i but with custom types it might be better to use ++i instead of i++ so clearly, pre-increment is the only reasonable habit

muddyfish

    print [(i in sub) for sub in seq]
                        ^
SyntaxError: invalid syntax

El'endia Starman

@muddyfish Oh, haha. :)

muddyfish

but the ^ was under the for so i was confused

Anonymous

8:21 PM

@MartinEnder Unless I specifically need one of them, I just go for whichever I type first.

Anonymous

Chat mega-challenge: find the string whose md5sum is 0

Martin Ender

good luck

TimmyD

pre- vs post-incrementing in PowerShell can be funky because of the pipelining

Anonymous

Chat mega-er challenge: prove (or disprove, though that may be impossible) that md5 is surjective

Quill

@Upgoat check package.json, then delete the node modules and reinstall

Martin Ender

8:26 PM

@TimmyD oh, while we're talking about powershell... is there any simple way to prevent PowerShell from doing encoding shenanigans when redirecting STDOUT of a program to a file? it always writes UTF-16 files when I try that -_-

Upgoat

@Quill ik did that and worked

still need to test v0.3 though before release >_>

Martin Ender

@Mego Chat mega-est challenge: make sure the proof is constructive.

TimmyD

@MartinEnder ahahahaha

You haven't been reading chat

But serious, you should be able to Out-File -Encoding <blah>

In theory

El'endia Starman

@Mego The record so far appears to be 14 leading 0s - crysys.hu/hashgame/allrecord.php

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat fare thee well, Cheddar!

I didn't really do anything, so I can't complain.

DanTheMan

8:32 PM

This one has a few other records too: 0xf.kr/md5

muddyfish

Apparently my md5sum is 15th place

Martin Ender

@TimmyD ?

@TimmyD this seems inconvenient

TimmyD

@MartinEnder It started based on this challenge. Mego Elendia & I have been going back and forth several times today (i.e., the past 8 hours or so) in chat discovering all the ins and outs of UTF-8 encoding in .NET (and by extension, PowerShell).

Upgoat

>_> What happens when you git a video

TimmyD

Here's the start of the conversation chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30562545#30562545

@MartinEnder It's because apparently .NET (and, by extension, PowerShell) uses UTF-16 internally for everything.

Upgoat

8:40 PM

@Upgoat answer: it gets rejceted by github for being 1GB

Martin Ender

@TimmyD yes it does

which is kinda horrible

TimmyD

Yes. I think I ran into a corner case due to PowerShell's very loose typecasting.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ come help support Madness over Talking heads

Upgoat

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ >_> sorry, but you weren't really doing much besides getting annoyed at all the pings <_<

Martin Ender

on one hand I like PowerShell for how powerful it actually is, especially with all of .NET at your disposal... but then the simplest things I want from a shell are such a massive pain that I wish I was using Linux...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

8:41 PM

in Mos Eisley, 2 mins ago, by Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

Madness - Our House

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@Upgoat yeah, i was dead weight

it's fine

TimmyD

@MartinEnder This is true.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Upgoat no hard feelings, but good luck!

TimmyD

But like I've said before, for managing Exchange there's nothing else I'd rather use.

Or AD

or SharePoint

or ...

Martin Ender

I can imagine. but my number one use case for a shell is providing programs with exact byte streams or exchanging exact byte streams between programs. and there are several ways in which PowerShell seriously gets in the way with that.

TimmyD

Ohhhhh yeah

Now, on the flip side, if you're passing literal byte streams, then pass literal byte streams, since passing objects is kinda the bread and butter of PowerShell.

quartata

8:46 PM

@TimmyD hahahahaha

Oh man that entire question is gold

'While the Finnish conductors and even the passport/toll people often seem rather nice (and I have heard one joke around with the passengers)' - Huh? Finnish? Nice? I once tried to be polite to one and greeted him with a 'Hyvää huomenta' - he interrogated me as to whether I'd learnt Finnish in order to illegally stay in Finland. — Andrey Chernyakhovskiy 15 hours ago

Otherwise, in Russia, country enter you! — Aron 15 hours ago

Dr Green Eggs and Iron Man

0

A: Simple cat program

V, 0 bytes   V's idea of "memory" is just a gigantic 2D array of characters. Before any program is ran, all input it loaded into this array (known as "The Buffer"). Then, at the end of any program, all text in the buffer is printed. In other words, the empty program is a cat program.

quartata

What are these weird emojis I keep seeing on Github commit messages

TimmyD

Maybe it's a .NET encoding issue

@MartinEnder If you're feeling more ambitious, you could use a FileStream and write the raw bytes -- msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/…

Optimizer

Who you gonna call?

Fall Out Boy - Ghostbusters (I'm Not Afraid) (Audio) ft. Missy Elliott

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DanTheMan

I propose a new style for nested C-style For loops:

        for (i = 0; i < max; ++i)
        {
    for (j = 0; j < max; ++j)
    {
for (k = 0; k < max; ++k)
{
        ...
}
    }
	}

Optimizer

8:57 PM

@DanTheMan reverse indentation. already done

as ppcg challenge

DanTheMan

Darn.

Martin Ender

@TimmyD sure but I don't want to start coding every time I need to pipe a few bytes into a program

@DanTheMan not nearly as misleading as my proposal above :P

Optimizer

Literal pie chart strikes again

4

Martin Ender

at least the braces on the same indentation level still belong together

quartata

@Upgoat there's like 7 on github

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