The Whiteboard

11:01 PM

Yeah It's nothing like what I've I learned so far in any language. I'd want at least a gold badge in a language before I challenge myself with something like haskell

Ixrec

ever read SICP?

DeliriousSyntax

never

lol, but I guess I'll add it to my must read least

Ixrec

yeah, it may help you get the functional programming mindset at least, and Scheme is a much easier first functional language than Haskell

I've heard FPers describe Haskell as the serious one you graduate to after you get comfortable with one of the LISPs or ML derivative

user55340

There are applications of FP. Understanding it makes scala easier.

DeliriousSyntax

Haskell isn't on the front page of SO

user55340

11:06 PM

And FP is finding its way into Java and C#.

user55340

The FP model also tends to make concurrent processes easier to reason about.

DeliriousSyntax

All these new languages, why don't they stick with 4 languages. 4 should cover all the types of programming

Ixrec

do we need to link the xkcd again?

Fortunately, the charging one has been solved now that we've all standardized on mini-USB. Or is it micro-USB? Shit.

s/standards/languages

Kit Z. Fox

Again? sighs

DeliriousSyntax

:/ wow, I think I'll just learn Befunge and Intercall and call myself a pro

Ixrec

11:11 PM

s/standards/esoteric languages

DeliriousSyntax

Better idea I learn to write programs in binary

Ixrec

better idea: learn to write programs with butterflies

DeliriousSyntax

Hmm, sounds hard, but might be possible

I'll give it a try

Or I'll stick with java, javascript, python, c++, c#, SQl, Html, and then once mastered I'll try heckle

user55340

Learning an assembly is useful. A systems language. A JVM language. A "scripting" language. A functional language. A language that you find on a careers website.

DeliriousSyntax

haskell*

Ixrec

11:16 PM

agreed, gotta see at least one assembly language and functional language to get the full breadth of what's out there

user55340

Possibly a stack based one and a math oriented one too.

user55340

Stack based often find their way into embedded systems.

DeliriousSyntax

math oriented? I could take that. It's the only school subject I've ever been outstanding in

user55340

And dc is the oldest language on UNIX.

Ixrec

languages that do symbolic math are cool

user55340

11:18 PM

Fortran, matlab, apl, J, or Mathematica.

DeliriousSyntax

AP Stats as a junior already have 5 math credits I think I can do it

user55340

Or whatever wolfram dreams up next.

DeliriousSyntax

How long should you stick with a language before starting to learn a new one?

Ixrec

400 days. Exactly.

that's how long it takes for code to start rotting

DeliriousSyntax

oh ok how many minutes?

Ixrec

11:22 PM

whatever power of 2 comes closest to 400 days

user55340

I try to learn a new language each year.

user55340

@Ixrec 512

user55340

2^9

user55340

(2^10 ~= 10^3 - useful for estimating)

Ixrec

it's common for me to randomly read a tutorial on some language I'll never use, but I have no control over what I use at work (duh) and have essentially no desire to do extra programming outside of work (after 45 hours a week on it I'm quite satisfied) so you could argue for me it's anywhere between never and once every few months depending on your definition of "learn a language"

DeliriousSyntax

11:25 PM

I meant progression wise, such as if your are able to develop an robot \ that steals people social security numbers by voice recognition

user55340

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Q: What programming languages have been created by PPCG users?

Language-creation has become a popular activity on PPCG. A decent portion of answers, especially code-golf answers, are written in languages invented by the community. These are also languages that might be unfamiliar to this site's wider viewing audience. What languages (esoteric, golfing, or...

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user55340

This is the one that blows my mind:

user55340

32

A: What programming languages have been created by PPCG users?

Hexagony Hexagony was created by me, Martin Büttner, in September 2015. As far as I know it is the first two-dimensional programming language which operates on a hexagonal grid (instead of the usual rectangular grid). To make matters worse, opposite edges of the grid wrap around, making the top...

user55340

Though:

user55340

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A: What programming languages have been created by PPCG users?

Funciton (esolangs • interpreter) Created by me and my personal favourite. This is a 2D language that uses Unicode box-drawing characters to create programs that resemble flowcharts, but the semantics are actually closer to that of a functional language than an actual flowchart. It has only fiv...

user55340

11:26 PM

is really neat too.

user55340

     ) } ? } .
    = ( . . ] =
   } = ' . } . }
  ~ . / % * . . &
 . = & { . < . . .
  . . . = | > ( <
   . . } ! = . .
    . & @ \ [ .
     . . . . .

DeliriousSyntax

6

+1. This language hurts my brain. – TimmyD Sep 16 '15 at 19:00

Ixrec

@DeliriousSyntax I'm not sure what that means (plus the ability to do that has nothing to do with language)

user55340

+1. This language hurts my brain. — TimmyD Sep 16 '15 at 19:00

user55340

Just copy the link the comment and paste that. Oneboxing is good.

user55340

11:29 PM

And then for the Londoners... how about

user55340

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A: What programming languages have been created by PPCG users?

Mornington Crescent A joke language I (Timwi) created based on Mornington Crescent from I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue. The program is executed by moving from station to station on the London Underground, starting and ending at Mornington Crescent. Martin Büttner wrote a “Hello, World!” and a primal...

DeliriousSyntax

+1. This language hurts my brain. — TimmyD Sep 16 '15 at 19:00

Amazed

user55340

The start of Hello World in that language is:

user55340

Take Northern Line to Hendon Central
Take Northern Line to Bank
Take Northern Line to Bank
Take District Line to Gunnersbury
Take District Line to Victoria
Take Victoria Line to Seven Sisters
Take Victoria Line to Victoria
Take Victoria Line to Victoria
Take District Line to Bank
Take District Line to Hammersmith
Take District Line to Cannon Street
Take District Line to Hammersmith

user55340

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A: "Hello, World!"

Mornington Crescent, 3614 bytes Take Northern Line to Hendon Central Take Northern Line to Bank Take Northern Line to Bank Take District Line to Gunnersbury Take District Line to Victoria Take Victoria Line to Seven Sisters Take Victoria Line to Victoria Take Victoria Line to Victoria Take Distr...

Ixrec

11:30 PM

Unfortunately, language extensions typically cost millions of pounds and require lots of digging. — Comintern Sep 20 '15 at 3:09

DeliriousSyntax

That's interesting I wonder what the I guess you will call it "source code" for that language looks like

Ixrec

maybe in 2020 we'll be able to write Take Crossrail to Victoria

@DeliriousSyntax for Mornington Crescent? it's what MichaelT just pasted

user55340

@Ixrec You should ask about that language update and if it would change the programs.

Robert Harvey

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Q: How do I ask a good question?

We’d love to help you. To improve your chances of getting an answer, here are some tips: Be on topic! This site is primarily about software design. We don't do code troubleshooting here, so if your question is about your broken code, ask it on Stack Overflow. Search, and research ...and keep ...

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Ixrec

this one I always liked the look of:

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A: What programming languages have been created by PPCG users?

Funciton (esolangs • interpreter) Created by me and my personal favourite. This is a 2D language that uses Unicode box-drawing characters to create programs that resemble flowcharts, but the semantics are actually closer to that of a functional language than an actual flowchart. It has only fiv...

oh that's the other one you linked

user55340

11:33 PM

@Ixrec Yep. Rail is neat... taking us back to Haskell...

DeliriousSyntax

     ╓─╖ ╔╗┌─╖   ┌─╖
     ║ʜ║ ║╟┤↔╟┐ ┌┤‼╟┐
     ╙┬╜ ╚╝╘═╝│ │╘╤╝│
╔═╗  ┌┴────┐  │┌┴╖ ┌┴╖
║0║ ┌┴─┐  ┌┴─┐└┤ʜ╟─┤·╟┐
╚╤╝┌┴╖┌┴╖┌┴╖┌┴╖╘╤╝ ╘╤╝│
┌┘┌┤·╟┤ɦ╟┤·╟┤?╟ │  ┌┴╖│
│ │╘╤╝╘╤╝╘╤╝╘╤╝ └──┤‼╟┘
│┌┴╖│ ┌┴╖┌┘╔═╧╗    ╘═╝
└┤?╟┘┌┤?╟┘┌╢10║    ┌─────────┐
 ╘╤╝ │╘╤╝┌┘╚══╝ ┌─┬┘╔══╗┌──╖┌┴╖ ╓─╖
  ┘  └───┘╔════╗│┌┴┐║21╟┤>>╟┤·╟┐║ɦ║
╔════════╗║1005╟┘└┬┘╚══╝╘═╤╝╘╤╝│╙┬╜        ┌─┐
║14073768║╚════╝ ┌┴╖ ┌─╖ ┌┴╖┌┴╖└─┴─────────┘┌┴╖
║7584800 ╟───────┤?╟─┤‼╟─┤ʜ╟┤·╟─────────────┤·╟┐╔═══════╗╔══╗
╚════════╝       ╘╤╝ ╘╤╝ ╘╤╝╘╤╝    ╔══╗┌─╖┌┐╘╤╝│║2097151║║21╟┐

-codegolf.stackexchange.com/users/668/timwi

user55340

Hmm... they updated their web page... lets see if I can find that Haskell Rail compiler.

Ixrec

I strongly disagree: I have more than eight variables. Also, my documentation is terrible! But I do agree that I am esoteric and full of bad code. — Snowman Sep 11 '15 at 18:39

Shog9

@RobertHarvey wrong site?

user55340

esolangs.org/wiki/Rail <!-- the language description

Robert Harvey

11:35 PM

@Shog9 We're going to adapt it from Stack Overflow's "How do I ask a Good Question" page.

Shog9

@RobertHarvey yeah, I mean you posted that on MSO

user55340

There we go... github.com/mtolly/rail <-- a compiler for Rail written in Haskell.

Robert Harvey

Ah, crap.

Ixrec

maybe that post needs a super-meta preamble explaining what it's supposed to be

user55340

It compiles:

user55340

11:36 PM

$ 'main' (--):
 \
 | /---------\
 | |         |
 | \    /-io-/
 \---e-<
        \-#

user55340

to:

user55340

void fun_main() {
  goto E_5_4;
E_5_4:
  builtin_eof();
  if (pop_bool()) {
    goto done;
  } else {
    builtin_input();
    builtin_output();
    goto E_5_4;
  }
done:
  return;
}

DeliriousSyntax

another cool looking language:

esolangs.org/wiki/Ziim

Robert Harvey

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DeliriousSyntax

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A: What programming languages have been created by PPCG users?

Ziim A 2D language created by me (Timwi) consisting entirely of arrows (← ↖ ↑ etc., ↔ ⤡ etc.). The semantics are highly concurrent. Programming simple things is extremely laborious, both because of the limited instruction set and because of the need for thread synchronization constructs. Since m...

user55340

11:37 PM

@DeliriousSyntax direction based... lets see if I can find the one about conservation of momentum.

Ixrec

I also liked Mariolang

user55340

Anyways... that clock ticked around to 5 and 4... which is much later than 5 and 3. I should be out of here.

DeliriousSyntax

I'm going to write a language called MichaelT and all the key words will be the name of books and what each word does depends on what the book is about

Ixrec

Introduction to Algorithms chapter 6 // sorts the array
Death March chapter 3 // infinite loop

?

DeliriousSyntax

looks about right

Well, I'm out for the day. Later clear-sighted people

Ixrec

11:51 PM

which reminds me, I need to clean my glasses

DeliriousSyntax

Your welcome if it wasnt for me you wouldnt be able to see

enderland

enderland sees like 20-15+ with contacts and is basically blind without them

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