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1:04 AM

> Every thing possible to be believ'd is an image of truth.

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@JimmyHoffa Unless expressly disproved or declared an axiom.

@WorldEngineer in all your religious studies classes did you ever go over William Blake?

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@JimmyHoffa Eternity in an Hour. I know him from actually reading his poetry.

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18th-19th century Christianity isn't one of my strong points in terms of specialty (though I definitely know more than the average person)

@WorldEngineer aye, I'm a big fan of his, one of the few books I have is one of his entire works hardback my wife got me for christmas one year

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1:27 AM

@JimmyHoffa I love William Blake's poetry.

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Hold infinity in the palm of your hand,
And eternity in an hour.

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That pretty much sums up computing to me

4:48 AM

you might be a programmer if... you're co-guild leader in WoW does a stream from your TS server and you get frustrated not knowing if they are streaming or not, so you make a website that they can use to turn an icon on the TeamSpeak server on and off as an on-air light, then, because you are bored again, you decide to write a custom plugin for the streaming software they use so that it will be automated when they start and stop the stream

all simply because you didn't like not knowing if you were on air when you joined the room unless you actually checked his stream

1 hour later…

5:52 AM

Hi. Is there a standard for markdown syntax?

2 hours later…

7:43 AM

@deostroll not quite

8:18 AM

@deostroll There's the original Markdown specification by John Gruber, which includes a reference implementation. There' also the quite popular PHP Markdown Extra defining various extensions. Fenced code blocks have become popular with GitHub flavoured Markdown. Most advanced implementations combine features from these three sources.

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thorsten müller

12:01 PM

Was there ever a proposal for a CSHomework.StackExchange?

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@thorstenmüller There have been homework related proposals, if I recall correctly. They never really got anywhere.

12:19 PM

The people pushing for them get their answer and never return

@AJHenderson You could have stopped at word 11

2 hours later…

2:35 PM

@Ampt was your brew app just some learning for your own? Or do you guys use Backbone at work?

@JimmyHoffa just for fun. They use Backbone upstairs, but their all front end guys.

the division between front end and back end around here is very clear

@Ampt that's common at larger places

@Ampt the backend is where that smell is coming from

the separation of responsibilities in organizations is usually largely weighted by the number of engineers they have. Less engineers = full stack

@ratchetfreak wait wait, are you a front end guy? No way

wow. Dropbox 1TB for 10 bucks a month

I know that's what google has been doing, but its still a 10x drop from their previous prices

2:41 PM

@Ampt $120 a year for online storage? I'd rather spend it on local network storage, cheaper...

though S3 is cheaper I believe

it seems school has started again

@JimmyHoffa well no duh. it's probably hosted on s3. The featureset and usability between s3 and dropbox is pretty much night and day

yeah here with 13 people we all have to be able to work full stack

including hardware

with 300,000 you tend to get a lot of specialization.

what company do you work for

2:47 PM

A large publicly traded one.

We're in the 400's of the Global 500

if that'll help

ah

I know of a guy who's sole specialization is forms in one particular CMS. That's it. He's brought into projects just to do those forms

and then he's on to the next one

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Q: Building new relationships with womens

What do you think, is it accepted, to build relationships with womens? I am single and have some pretty female colleague. I know them only sightly, but would like to talk with them more.

work-environment relationships workplace-rhythm

you guys might enjoy this gem, hah

gah. They should have at least mentioned that their office had rules against that sort of thing, and that she was also interested in a relationship. Then we'd be looking at hundreds of upvotes!

How do you know the OP is a he?

3:00 PM

fixed.

oooh that gives me an idea...

lol you took that way more seriously than I meant it :P

No, you're right! They never specifically mentioned

Man, if you didn't hang out around here so much @enderland I'd post so many stupid questions to TWP... I feel bad because now it's your job to actually clean it up

@Ampt no just ~~delete~~ close all the things

Of course now it doesn't cost you close votes...

I never ran out before though

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3:04 PM

@enderland ....man, people are weird about just you know, trying to talk to a lady...

we get some great questions :)

@AshleyNunn I..... uh......... could......... time.... Turns around and walks away

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@Ampt You tried. :P

Haha let me paint a picture for you. I went to a school dominated by engineering undergrads (we made up like 80% of the student body) and in that subset, I was a part of what was widely considered to be the nerdiest major (Software engineering) I have seen some very, very, very pathetic attempts before. It goes from funny -> sad -> predictable way faster than I care to admit

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@Ampt Yeah, I can see that. I was in Arts, but my school is mostly CS/Engies, so I have some experience with those attempts :P

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3:09 PM

Us ladies are not that scary, we promise.

Psh, tell that to my girlfriend.

She apparently never got that memo

@Ampt we'll tell her you said that

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Okay, sometimes we are scary, but mostly we are nice and normal.

;)

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None of you have made me that irritated yet ;)

3:11 PM

@ratchetfreak Good luck. She's buried nose deep in some HVAC tables trying to get drawings out. I'm free from any distractions all daaay

@AshleyNunn No wonder they don't talk to you!

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@Ampt I've yet to kill anyone for talking to me :)

have you banned them though? that's like dying online

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Women were indecipherable to me in high school. It was years before I understood them even a little.

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@enderland Only when they were gross.

:)

3:21 PM

@Ampt jsfiddle.net/605426c4/7 <-- notice how much less code it takes knockout vs. backbone because knockout doesn't have the boilerplate for the UI->Model and Model->UI binding

(knockout can use templates but for what you have there... I didn't see a point in partialing the brew display)

granted your backbone piece uses your django rest service

it would just be changing the addItem() and removeItem() functions to make the ajax calls if you wanted the knockout bit to do that. I'm guessing your backbone piece does it by convention for you from what it looked like, which is nice

It did do it. Just had to provide the URL for the base and it figured out the rest

@Ampt that's a nice feature

Hadn't touched that part on Backbone

Well, it's not like it's a particularly complicated API lol. /brews/ gets you a list of all the brews as a JSON object, and /brews/1/ gets you the first brew, etc

it automatically makes POST and DELETE call though which is cool

@Ampt yeah, making the addItem/removeItem functions call the rest API would be plenty easy I'm sure, but it's not baked into Knockout (to my knowledge... I rarely look at synching data between client and server...)

@JimmyHoffa what other frameworks are there besides Backbone that I could use?

3:32 PM

@Ampt The large players for that type of library are Angular, Knockout, Ember, and more hand spun binding with Handlebars/mustache templates to my knowledge. Dojo and others have some space too

there's tons of libraries of varying quality out there for that stuff

Interesting. I think I'll stick with BB for now and see how it goes

@Ampt I think the biggest thing I like about Knockout so far is I never have to pay mind to the DOM in the javascript. Just the data.

That's interesting.

It seems very lightweight which is nice

but it does a lot of the grunt work for you

3:54 PM

> Angular’s biggest drawback is that there can be many ways to do one thing. Until you use Angular for something fairly big, it can be difficult to find the best ways of doing things. Also, you have to be very careful to clean up events and DOM elements if you work with them in a “non-Angular” way or you may create memory leaks.

blog.codeschool.com/post/85819292538/…

That pretty much sums up what I found with Angular. Lots of pros, but... felt like unless I knew everything about the framework, I'd make a huge mistake.

ugh.. IntelliJ has really F-ed up my local git repo somehow

@Ampt I blame perl.

another good analysis of these libraries codeutopia.net/blog/2013/03/16/knockout-vs-backbone-vs-angular

@RobertHarvey you're always interested in modern used frameworks, have a read of those analysis - they fit well with what I've seen

4:11 PM

@JimmyHoffa Thanks.

Anyone here ever heard of the Flex programming language? Someone on Stack Overflow just recommended it to a beginner.

@RobertHarvey I've heard of it but my memory's failing me and only giving me hints towards Adobe Air, don't know why there'd be a relation...

ah it is adobe so I am remembering right

Apache Flex, formerly Adobe Flex, is a software development kit (SDK) for the development and deployment of cross-platform rich Internet applications based on the Adobe Flash platform. Initially developed by Macromedia and then acquired by Adobe Systems, Flex was donated by Adobe to the Apache Software Foundation in 2011 and promoted to a top-level project in December 2012. The Flex 3 SDK was released under the open source Mozilla Public License in 2008. Consequently, Flex applications can be developed using standard IDEs, for example Eclipse, the free and open source IDE FlashDevelop, as well...

Oh. Apparently Flex is also the name of Alan Kay's precursor language for Smalltalk.

> Flex uses MXML to define UI layout and other non-visual static aspects, ActionScript to address dynamic aspects and as code-behind, and targets Adobe AIR or Flash Player as runtime of the resultant application.[3]

@RobertHarvey now that is an awesome tidbit I hope to retain...

I'll probably just remember adobe air again next time though with no recollection of why...

So Adobe Flex is now open source, then?

Still think I'd prefer HTML5 and Javascript.

@RobertHarvey who knows? Apache != GNU so I don't know

@RobertHarvey agreed. Flash was falling all over itself trying to stay relevant for a while there, I think they're done trying though.

They've accepted it'll be used for malware embedded in ads and video, and nothing more

4:16 PM

Heh.

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@Ampt btw, check what the upload speed on that 1TB is.

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When sticking a bunch of photos on dropbox for my parents to get... it took the better part of a day to upload it... at 3 kbps.

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@MichaelT They didn't want to use too much of your bandwidth so you could do other things at the same time. Very considerate of them.

@MichaelT of course, up their in canada you guys are all sharing the same 56k dialup pipe to the internet. Good thing you're so polite about it...

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The online data storage sites often have similar restrictions... aws.amazon.com/glacier

4:26 PM

@MichaelT Isn't that configurable on the client side?

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@Ampt ... so it is...

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btw, fun photo + engineering answer (noting that @AJHenderson showed up and there are some "engineers" around)

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A: What limits the size of digital imaging sensors?

You can make some very large CCDs. An older press release talks of a CCD that was made for the US Naval Observatory that is 4" x 4" and 10,560 pixels x 10,560 pixels. Thats 111 megapixels on one sensor. Thats kind of not small. (From above press release) The first restriction that the sens...

@MichaelT glad you mentioned it cause I'd already gone through that question and would have missed your answer

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4:30 PM

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Just think of that sensor.

4:42 PM

Scott Stafford, Washington, DC

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c# asp.net c++ .net html javascript performance

> I want what everybody wants. A job where I can change the world modestly for the better, that makes me enough money so I can have everything I want and not so much that my kids want to kill me for the inheritance, and that gives me enough fame to stroke my ego yet I can still dine out in peace.

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@RobertHarvey I...see.

You don't agree?

I'd say that pretty much sums it up for me.

Well, financially speaking, anyway.

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@RobertHarvey I guess it works, except for the part where I don't think I will have kids any time soon if at all.

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It just seems oddly worded to me.

I guess I should have mentioned that I don't have kids, and probably won't ever have them. But I do have relatives which I'm sure would take a sudden interest in me if I won the lottery.

4:49 PM

@JimmyHoffa I've been working through a large book on Angular, and I still think it's a high quality framework, but I've come across numerous things that were surprising and that I would have learned the hard way if I just started coding and looked things up when I ran into questions.

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@RobertHarvey Yeah, same here. I don't really ever want that sort of responsibility (kids or that large amount of money)

My wife can't have children, but she was a nanny for a decade or so, so her maternal instinct burned out a long time ago anyway.

She was quite good as a nanny. I'm sure she would have made a good mother.

We thought about adoption. For about 15 minutes.

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I can maybe have children (health problems and family history make it difficult but possibly not impossible) but I am not sure that I want to have any. at least not at this stage in my life.

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@AshleyNunn imgur.com/gallery/3CGZl - you get to keep the sink to yourself.

@RobertHarvey Keeping it short and simple. Love it.

4:58 PM

@psr aye - I agree, I think it's a good large framework for large projects, it just seems like you would have to work on something large with it and really learn it pretty well to not go about doing shit in it totally wrong.

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@MichaelT See? That's a good reason.

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@AshleyNunn alternative excessive cuteness - imgur.com/gallery/thO0kf0

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nieces and nephews are the best. You get to visit them when you want, and let the parents handle them after you've given them way too much sugar.

> Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of 'my life will never be the same...uuurrgh'

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@MichaelT Indeed. Or friends' kids.

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5:01 PM

@MichaelT There is much truth in that. A while back, I was helping a friend by holding her infant while she was dealing with her toddler. Perfect length of time to get my baby fix and not have to deal with the associated consequences.

how do you get to that timeline view?

on a question

@AshleyNunn we apparently had the opposite problem, my wife was on the pill yet our first arrives in around a week

@Ampt go to the question and add /ampt to the end of the URL

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@AJHenderson You'll need a camera to make sure you capture all the important images.

@MichaelT how do you think I convinced my wife to let me get the camera?

we had still been planning to have kids this coming year, so I'd been planning ahead

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5:04 PM

@AJHenderson I know a few families who were in that situation.

@MichaelT don't forget annoying presents

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@AJHenderson niece and nephew aren't really into annoying... and its out in the country... the "here's a drum kit" type thing would be "take it out side"

@MichaelT that does actually remind me that I should probably start carrying my camera gear with me at all times now though

just in case it becomes a quick run to the hospital

@AJHenderson "Hold on honey, let me just grab the camera!" - I'm sure that will go over well!

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5:14 PM

@RobertHarvey my wife always loves turning on the vacume and watching the cats scatter

@Ampt yeah, it'll just be sitting on a tripod for the delivery. I've got a remote trigger I can use in my pocket when needed

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@AJHenderson prefocus, and make sure to take photos whenever she gives you that look.

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And then there's...

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I wish I had grabbed the photo off my camera last night

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5:19 PM

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(third video is making of the second)

Cole (my black cat) was lying in the basinet curled up with the blanky that we have ready for our baby when he pops out and Shadow (the grey one) was sleeping in the lower portion underneath the changing table part next to it

5:30 PM

@ratchetfreak is it terrible of me to never use 'this' in JavaScript? I exclusively use things defined either within a clear ancestor closure or things passed in through parameters (at times I use an ancestor closure to take the parameter to bind it into the executing scope) - just because I find it always too ambiguous, even with the var that = this or self shortcuts

@MichaelT seems like a fun project

I watched the third before the second

and was seriously confused as to the point of the whole exercise

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@Ampt I hope you watched the first... that was a classic Super Bowl advert.

@MichaelT I did and it was hilarious

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@Ampt did you notice things like the cow (cat?) boy winding the ball of yarn or the one with the broken arm and the lint remover?

5:44 PM

Saw the yarn, but the lint roller was absolutely golden

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or the sneeze?

fine, I'll go rewatch it

Not gonna say that apple should just release the 5.5" iphone right now, but if I could force the HTC One m8 and the iphone to.. well, m8. I most certainly would.

@Ampt the offspring would never survive.

Or you'd get some mutant with a small screen running windows phone 8.1

ugh.

@JimmyHoffa wrong person? I'm a java dev and tinkered at most in JS

5:53 PM

@ratchetfreak plausibly. though you made reference to being a front-end dev earlier that confused me..

@Ampt what does new do in JavaScript?

@JimmyHoffa Now you're definitely grasping. No clue

@Ampt grasping?

@JimmyHoffa I'm a self-admitted back end guy who's dabbling in JS for fun, and you've seen the code I've produced.

@Ampt I used to know what it did, but don't remember all the details.. you used it, thought you might remind me

Instantiates a new object..

is this a test of some sort?

developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/JavaScript/Reference/…

5:57 PM

@Ampt jumpy much? No

@JimmyHoffa It just seemed like a very simple question. It looks to do the same thing that new does in java...

@JimmyHoffa frontend as in desktop applications

> 1. A new object is created, inheriting from foo.prototype.
> 2. The constructor function foo is called with the specified arguments and this bound to the newly created object. new foo is equivalent to new foo(), i.e. if no argument list is specified, foo is called without arguments.
> 3. The object returned by the constructor function becomes the result of the whole new expression. If the constructor function doesn't explicitly return an object, the object created in step 1 is used instead. (Normally constructors don't return a value, but they can choose to do so if they want to override …

I don't touch web

@Ampt not at all

I can never remember all of that, so I never use new... ---^

so it makes a function(){} with the .prototype of the func you're referencing to new, and then assigns (that func with .call(the function with the .prototype fixed) || the function with the .prototype fixed)

I guess that makes sense... I can never make sense of where the prototype and optional constructor return values / "constructor" function definitions all play together

@Ampt in JavaScript if the function returns something like a string, newing your type will just result in you getting that string it returned rather than an instance of the type you tried to new

but that's kinda farcical because they're not technically "types" - JavaScript hardly has such a thing...

6:05 PM

the major obstacle for JS coding: understanding the prototype model

@ratchetfreak I take a different route: never touch it or any other part of the type system

it's not hard to avoid that whole boondoggle, though JS folks seem to think you're supposed to be using that stuff... Haven't figured out why yet...

same here if I need to do JS I'll treat it as a pure procedural

Aren't prototypes really just a fancy way of saying "dynamically-created and dispatched classes and methods?"

Really, just object orientation with a different syntax (but a bit more powerful, from what I understand).

@RobertHarvey dynamically modified classes as well

Yes. Although I never quite understand why that is cool.

6:15 PM

dynamicness!!

Dogs don't suddenly grow fins.

but dynamicness :(

@RobertHarvey They do if you want them to!

@Ampt It's the same problem that database programs have with new user flexibility. "I need a column in this database that doesn't exist." We don't want to keep adding fields to the database for individual customers, so we give them user-definable fields. But how do you get the system to recognize them? You need special cases in your reports and your business logic, and before you know it, you've built an inner platform.

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6:22 PM

reddit.com/r/ProgrammerHumor/comments/2eq8aq/…

@MichaelT for some reason that makes me think of the Agile development ticket that Blizzard has for the DDoS attacks

for the Problem field, it simply states "Hackers are assholes"

> At least they seem very committed to it.

Guffaw.

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Employer^^, asked for unit test from contractors... they renamed all the manual tests they did "unit 1", "unit 2" and so on.

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The worst part was the managers at the time accepted that as completed.

But at least they can be run again without involving a human, right?

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6:29 PM

@RobertHarvey Nope... still all manual hands on tests. No automation.

What? That's not unit testing.

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@RobertHarvey yes it is... it says so right in the test name.

Hm.

Then again, if Employer^^ asked for them after the fact, I can understand the response.

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The problem was (when we later looked into doing automated testing) was that 3rd party company who bought the software form someone else broke all the automated tests while integrating it with their backend system... they hadn't worked for at least a year.

Seriously, though, why would one want to add a method to a class at runtime?

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6:33 PM

@RobertHarvey I've done ugly things in Ruby... but thats what you can do.

I can only imagine that it's for extensibility... But who is doing the extending? Certainly not the customer.

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Consider the situation where you have a library that does a dynamic 'what is the structure of that database' and then creates the Entity type objects on the fly...

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search, update... fields and methods created at runtime.

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Its neat in a magical way... horrifying when you realize the lack of understanding of what is going on by the people using it in most cases.

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In a more real world situation, I had a File object that I had created. I wanted to attach it to an issue (in redmine). The problem was you could only attach FileUpload objects... but this is a dynamically typed system... so it just needs the right methods.

6:36 PM

So a dynamic version of the adapter pattern, then.

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Two options - you can either go through the hoopla of extending the File object to have the necessary methods that are in the FileUpload object... or you can just stick those methods into that object at runtime. The extending takes another file and a bunch more code...

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Btw, that gamedev flag that showed up - the transcript is a fun read: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/19

Some of these folks take great glee in casting themselves as enlightened renegades, but it's a tempest in a teapot.

Amusing at first, but after about 30 seconds, it's a big yawn.

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Anyways... there are times when dynamic addition of methods to classes is appropriate.

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If you get deep into the nitty of Java / JVM in the Classloader, you can create and swap out classes on the fly.

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6:42 PM

javaworld.com/article/2071777/design-patterns/…

so many on hold questions on the front page

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@whatsisname Its almost (always) September.

yep

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You know, that at -4 score, they drop off the front page.

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I'm fairly certain its -4.

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6:44 PM

@MichaelT I just verified that you're correct

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I was looking up the reference for it... and found:

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A: What, if anything, happens to questions with a negative score?

Current questions At -4, the question does not show up on the front page. All questions -1 or lower score, more than 30 days old, no answers, not locked... deleted by Community♦ 0 score, more than 365 days old, no answers, not locked, low view count, 1 or 0 comments... deleted by Community♦...

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@MichaelT I am currently dealing with some of those lovely folks in Pets chat because they decided to take their conversation there.....

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@whatsisname don't forget to toss an up vote on...

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Q: Please increase rate limit for new users asking questions to one used at Stack Overflow (1 per 90 minutes)

As September is coming, site is getting spammed by zero effort homework dumps. Particularly passionate spammers even drop their garbage at us at highest rate allowed (today examples: 1, 2, 3, 4 - 10K links). Can we please throttle their activity by raising rate limit the same way as it was done ...

feature-request asking-questions rate-limiting

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6:47 PM

Our rate limiter is much faster than SO's... there've been a few cases were we've gotten a bunch of tandem poor questions within the last 24h.

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(heh - and Yannis re-featured the open letter: meta.programmers.stackexchange.com/posts/6166/revisions )

ugh this zebra printer is the bane of my existence today

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@AshleyNunn They hijacked a room?! Boot 'em... :-)

@MichaelT oy, I missed that that had started up again... :(

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@GlenH7 I am trying to be nice and polite but I have had issues with one of those users so I am trying to also keep out of it. It's a tricky line.

6:52 PM

@whatsisname how do you print a zebra?

that sounds... difficult...

@whatsisname haha have fun with that.

loving that ZPL are you?

not so much

Here, I made this string to print a barcode: wiej5984qwuef90esgh9j0293rh9w3aig4ohafjwaslidjhfgaoiw4uhtqwDaw:dsfsa"df"ag"sdfqw‌3RAWOFASJFD

COMPLETELY CLEAR RIGHT?!

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@AJHenderson This makes me think of those commercials about "you wouldn't download a car" and so on

@AshleyNunn I don't know, if I could print a zebra, I might try it

it'd be cool to have my own zebra

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6:54 PM

@AJHenderson It might be fun, though I don't know where I would keep it in my apartment.

@AJHenderson It doesn't print as well as you would think

The zebra that is

and probably less frustrating than actually using a Zebra printer

@AshleyNunn we have a pets site?!

@Ampt no, and it stinks when it tries

hey, speaking of pets, we could talk about zebras there

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@Ampt I even moderated it for a while!

6:56 PM

(and I think I need to get more sleep)

@AshleyNunn Ugh, would you just like, chill out or something?

because my brain is taking a nose dive in to kookyville

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@Ampt I am chill!

stupid soda machine jammed and I have no caffine

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@AJHenderson That was rude of it!

6:57 PM

@AshleyNunn everyone knows the louder you yell it, the more chill you are

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@Ampt Oh, is that how that works?

@AshleyNunn Duh. That must be why he thought you weren't chill; you weren't being loud enough

go yell it at him and see if that does the trick

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@Ampt Oh, I see, now I nkow.

@AshleyNunn NO, CLEARLY YOU DON'T

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@AJHenderson WELL I CAN LEARN

7:00 PM

:)

@AshleyNunn bro that is sooo chill.

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@Ampt I AM SO CHILL

Do you ~~surf~~ hit the waves much?

@Ampt personally, I prefer to stay under the waves

@AJHenderson cue jaws theme

7:11 PM

such a good movie

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Nikonos Calypso is the name of a series of 35 mm film cameras specifically designed for underwater photography launched by Nikon in 1963. The early Nikonos cameras were improvements of the Calypso camera, which was an original design by Jacques-Yves Cousteau and Belgian engineer Jean de Wouters . It was produced in France by La Spirotechnique (currently Aqua Lung) until the design was acquired by Nikon to become the Nikonos. The Nikonos system was immensely popular with both amateur and professional underwater photographers. Its compact design, ease of use, and excellent optical quality set the...

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Admit it, you'd go Nikon for one of those... not that its got interchangeable parts with any other lens system...

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things like the viewfinder is designed for an eye point with a face mask. The focusing, instead of a bellows system (working against water pressure) is a screw and internal focusing. The lens is designed for a glass/water interface rather than glass/air (index of refraction is different on that first interface)

7:27 PM

@MichaelT I'd rather have the enclosure for my 5D Mark III :)

though the underwater lenses for the Calypso were pretty fantastic

good underwater enclosures get around most of that by designing the dome port to project a virtual image

to correct for it

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Still, extra sets of interfaces that you don't need... though admititally, you don't need to worry too much about lens flare.

@MichaelT unless you point up or into a lamp

yeah, but you get Medium format quality in a 35 mm DSLR when using the high end lenses with a modern DSLR, plus the better high ISO performance

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@AJHenderson and the 'more than 36 frames before heading up to the boat'

@MichaelT oh yes, and that

and video

they are a whole lot cheaper than a DSLR enclosure though

$100 vs $1500 - $4500

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7:35 PM

Yep... and other nice things like visibility underwater of the camera, controls designed for fingers that are wearing gloves... that face plate viewfinder shouldn't be overlooked.

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The macro lens system is quite nice too.

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The bracket, when viewed through the viewfinder is exactly what will be photographed and in focus.

@MichaelT well, underwater enclosures adapt the controls to be usable with gloves easily enough

@Ampt also your backbone app are fail on various types of input... :o

7:37 PM

and also a good one adapts the viewfinder for mask

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I need to go about getting a new Nikon D610... $1,900 on B&H.

things like nauticam.com/product.asp?id=152 are fantastic

@JimmyHoffa such as??

they are just stupid expensive

7:39 PM

@JimmyHoffa oh you may have put too manycharacters into the color field. it's max of 10

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(My current digital is a D200, which is 9 years old, 10MP DX frame. D610 is new, 24MP FX format (and I don't have any DX lenses)

@Ampt oh. I thought it was spaces

@JimmyHoffa yeah I set the color size stupidly low. it'll probably be a dropdown

8:20 PM

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@JimmyHoffa At what point did you find yourself actually able to write working Haskell code? Because I'm at the point where I feel like I should understand it enough to do that but not quite.

@WorldEngineer ehh... iduno. It took a good while, but the biggest issue is one of frequency - this is true of all languages, even fugly ones you hate you will find yourself comfortable writing if you write just a little every couple days, and languages you know inside and out you'll struggle to write when it's been a month

(ok I think it would take a lot more than a month to make me struggle with C#... I wish that language wasn't embedded in my bones at this point...)

A bit of a firestorm going on over here:

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(Don't add fuel to the fire)

8:35 PM

@WorldEngineer not certain what measurement of 'point's your looking for. I think it was around when I started practicing deriving implementations from type signatures building an intuition, after doing a bit of that I started being able to more comfortably make things work

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@JimmyHoffa I see

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@RobertHarvey I'm not qualified though I've a goodly amount of tutoring experience

@WorldEngineer go implement a few type classes just from the combination of behaviour you want + type class requirements + axioms for the given type class

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@JimmyHoffa I will do that

user20683

I also need to work with strong, statically typed languages more

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8:37 PM

Python's type system doesn't really do much

user20683

It's not the Duck Sauce of Javascript but it's close

@WorldEngineer just go implement a couple monoids or applicatives and it really helps build an intuition for how the type system both checks and guides you towards solutions. Start with a stupid simple one: concatenation over lists is a monoid where the identity element is an empty list. Go hand implement a linked list data type and hand implement the concat function and the monoid

haskell.org/haskellwiki/Monoid

@WorldEngineer You're not qualified because your not a woman. Perhaps you missed that part of the tag line.

user20683

@RobertHarvey Prove it.

user20683

:P

8:44 PM

If I got your gender wrong, I sincerely apologize. I also confused you with one of the other mods, who clearly has faked h(er) picture. Go home Robert, you're drunk.

user20683

I'm not qualified since I'm not technically a pro at the moment

user20683

though honestly being a mod here feels very much like being a pro sometimes

some days technology really, really sucks

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@RobertHarvey if that was a printer, I'd be with you 100%

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8:55 PM

@Ampt my work printer finally died after like 10 years

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@JimmyHoffa - Is there a reference you can give me so I can better dig into what I'm trying to do as we discussed yesterday? chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/17356144#17356144

@Ampt my Pixma Pro-1 decided to not work until I restarted it 3 times once

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