The Whiteboard

Ampt

6:00 PM

Wait is this lambda bubble popper thing teaching me stuff?!

user41796

@JimmyHoffa In C# is there a way to cheat having to declare the type when defining a List<>?

Robert Harvey

var ?

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 you mean instantiating it without a new List<bla> ?

@RobertHarvey I'm pretty sure it's just an example of the available facilities for bubblepop

it's ther prelude available

user41796

for example, I'll have a List<myTableClass> but I want a generic List that I can use with all of my table classes. EF is doing the magic to define my table classes.

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 You probably want to use dynamic for that.

user41796

6:02 PM

so I want:
List<generic> foo;
...
foo = new List<myClass>();

Robert Harvey

Do a search for "Generic Repository."

or...

user41796

Ironic in that Jimmy had suggested dynamic for another problem a little while back

Robert Harvey

public MyRepository<T>
{
    List<T> myList;

Ampt

    private MichaelT mt;
}

user41796

@RobertHarvey That might work too

Ampt

6:05 PM

man, now it doesn't have a constructor

Robert Harvey

Generic repositories are a bit more sophisticated than that. Although at that point, you're essentially building an inner platform.

user41796

The trick is that I'm building a dictionary of these lists. But that could just as easily be a dictionary of repositories. And I can still access the list within the repository

Robert Harvey

I smell a Factory Factory Factory.

user41796

I hope I'm not building a FCube

3

Ampt

@GlenH7 If you hope you're not building an FCube, you've probably already built one.

user55340

6:08 PM

@Ampt stop looking at my privates!

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I'm not getting it - why don't you want to know the type T of your List<> ?

Are you doing an arbitrary operation on the List<> regardless of your type T ?

user41796

@RobertHarvey The simple approach didn't work, MyRepository has to be declared with a type within the Dictionary.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Yes

Robert Harvey

There's no problem in computing that's can't be solved with another layer of indirection. Except, of course, the problem of having too many layers of indirection.

user41796

Short version of story:

user41796

6:09 PM

I used EF to tap into a DB with ~12 tables of interest.

Jimmy Hoffa

because that just requires a type parameterized method (the type inferrence can fill in the T) -> public void DoStuffToList<T>(List<T> someList) { // do stuff }

user41796

The tables are similar, but different regarding meta-info columns. The data columns are the same.

Robert Harvey

@GlenH7 That's why you need dynamic. You're essentially talking about a late binding problem.

Jimmy Hoffa

then you just call DoStuffToList(yourList) and the type T is filled in based on yourList

Ampt

@MichaelT Hey, I just figured Robert's repository could use a little more MichaelT

user41796

6:09 PM

I want a single container so I don't care which of the 12 tables I'm working against

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 what are you doing to the tables?

Robert Harvey

If the 12 tables have the same data shape, why aren't they in a single table?

user55340

@Ampt ICe<T>

user41796

@JimmyHoffa extracting data to push to another format

Jimmy Hoffa

if it's not using any important pieces of your T then just use your List<T> and ignore the T

@GlenH7 alternatively you just want to .Select(elem => someFunc<T>)

'n shit

user41796

6:11 PM

@RobertHarvey schema is similar on the data side of it; actual values are different. Underlying rows have additional differences

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 create a Func<TIn,TOut> for each of your 12 TIns and pass them independently to .Select()

You can even make the type system pick which of your Func<>s to use

user41796

@JimmyHoffa So go with Linq to SQL and ditch EF?

user41796

or am I misunderstanding that

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 I'm not talking about Linq, I'm just talking about creating a function that implements your data conversion, and applying it to your lists of objects be they generated by EF or L2S doesn't matter

EF and L2S aren't dissimilar, and .Select is a LINQ to Collections function so all collections (L2S, EF, NHibernate, arbitrary IEnumerable) can be .Selected with a Func<TIn, TOut> to be transformed

user41796

So TIn represents my EF generated classes, and TOut is my "one, true" class containing the bits I care about?

Jimmy Hoffa

6:16 PM

L2S comes into play when it's an IQueryable which turns shit into expressions, and EF in the event of a DbContext I think it is, but those underlying types are arbitrarily swappable from the perspective of the .Select etc

@GlenH7 aye

user41796

And in the Func<TIn, TOut>, it's just going to be listing of assignments like
TOut.Prop1 = TIn.Prop1
right?

user41796

Although I might be able to reflect out the props from TOut, and then iterate over the reflected properties instead of manually typing those.

user41796

In effect, I'm normalizing my table-classes down to what I care about.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 Yes.

user41796

And everything else is simple because now I deal with the one, true class instead of 12 different ones. I like this approach.

Jimmy Hoffa

6:21 PM

@GlenH7 Just implement a single function for each one - you can even make the type system select you for them by doing things like...

public static class MyOblogonDataTransformers<T, U>
{
    public static Func<T, U> Transform { get; set; }
}

public static class IEnumerableExtensions
{
    public static Transform<T>(this IEnumerable<T> target)
    {
        return target.Select(MyOblogonDataTransformers<T, OneTrueClass>.Transform);
    }
}
someEnumerableOfOblogonData.Transform()

then have some static constructor somewhere that loads the MyOblogonDataTransformers with Funcs for each typeof(T) as it's a static class which has a static instance for each composition of the typeof(T) and the typeof(U)

the type system will commit the resolution for all calls through the .Transform() call to find your Transform func for the given T and U

user41796

If I can pull this off, I'm going to be mighty impressed with myself.

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 the trick is on your application start you need to make a call that will iterate your 12 types loading MyOblogonDataTransformers<T,OneTrueClass>.Transform = (someDbTableType) => TRANSFORMYCODE!!! so you have your 12 static MyOblogonDataTransformers with their independent implementations for each of the 12 types you're transforming

user41796

@JimmyHoffa And I'll need 12 versions of the Transform<T>(this IE... target) because that holds the logic where I translate from EF-Class to OnetrueClass

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 yes. you just use the setter on the Transform property to fill it in, your .Transform() extension method will resolve through the type system to the func which has the T and U it's looking for

user41796

Awesomeness, and thank you.

user41796

6:32 PM

I think my afternoon is going to be busy...

Jimmy Hoffa

-2

Q: My Software Manager doesn't understand Programming, I don't get it either

Having a non-technical software manager is one thing, but having a code monkey who doesn't really understand computer that well working under him is equally as tragic - and I'm that code monkey. My boss recently asked me: How does software make hardware work? He understands that programming lang...

Smells like troll?

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Except they have an assoc bonus. That's a bit unusual

Jimmy Hoffa

@GlenH7 inspecting other Q's, might be a sophisticated troll... Appears to be asking for similarly huge-explanations-of-complex-things around other places

user41796

Bam. Already deleted.

user41796

@JimmyHoffa Could be they found trolling Math to be too easy and decided to move on to more difficult targets. Dunno.

astallaslions

6:51 PM

How do you all keep up to date on current technologies and frameworks?

I spent almost a week learning about .NET Remoting architecture before I realized that development moved over to WCF.

Robert Harvey

.NET Remoting is still a perfectly good mechanism for simple intra-process communication. It doesn't become old and moldy just because WCF is the new hotness.

astallaslions

It's not depreciated, but from what I heard there is no more planned development for it.

Robert Harvey

Because it already works.

astallaslions

hmm interesting.

Robert Harvey

Anyway, to answer your question, I listen to podcasts like HanselMinutes and .NET Rocks.

I also ask @JimmyHoffa.

astallaslions

6:55 PM

never heard of those, Ill give em a listen.

Jimmy Hoffa

@astallaslions have you accepted Haskell into your home and into your heart?

3

Robert Harvey

The church of the lambda.

astallaslions

I wan't to, but I havn't had enough free time to learn it :(

I am the most stereotypical 21 year old C# developer with no other programming skills. oh well

Jimmy Hoffa

Magmas

Oct 24 '13 at 20:57, 16 minutes total – 11 messages, 2 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Oct 24 '13 at 21:22 by Jimmy Hoffa

Ampt

Mar 12 at 17:42, by Ampt

astallaslions

7:00 PM

So, uh, you really love Haskell then?

Ampt

@astallaslions Love might not be the right word

It's more like he's been... assimilated.

Jimmy Hoffa

May 19 at 15:56, by Jimmy Hoffa

I'm helping.

Ampt

He is Jimmy Hoffa of ~~borg~~ Haskell. Resistance is futile.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt resistance is future, I'm too lazy to attack now.

Jimmy Hoffa

7:20 PM

As someone who formerly worked in builds....grunt is cool as shit.

if only builds were done in grunt all those years I spent fidgeting in MSBuild would have been so much more productive and less unpleasant

user41796

But then you wouldn't appreciate grunt as much

Thomas Owens

That syntactic sugar question is madness.

Jimmy Hoffa

@ThomasOwens ?

user41796

@ThomasOwens From Prog?

Thomas Owens

I clicked on it. I feel like I should clean it up, but that involves reading a lot of stuff.

It meaning answers and comments and stuff.

Jimmy Hoffa

7:23 PM

@ThomasOwens what Q?

user41796

@ThomasOwens To me it was right on the edge of "potentially very insightful" and "complete rubbish" when I looked at it earlier. I haven't been following it during the day though. Given the potential for brilliance in there, I abstained from voting on it.

user41796

17

Q: Is method overloading anything more than syntactic sugar?

Is method overloading a type of polymorphism? To me it seems like simply the differentiation of methods with the same name and different parameters. So stuff(Thing t) and stuff(Thing t, int n) are entirely different methods as far as the compiler and runtime are concerned. It creates the illusio...

method-overloading polymoprhism syntatic-sugar

user41796

Buh-bye to my precious last close vote of the day.

Jimmy Hoffa

@RobertHarvey and @GlenH7 - anytime you see the terms "reduction"/"beta reduction"/"β reduction"/"rewriting"/"term rewriting" -> just picture that bubble popper popping

user41796

I actually didn't click on any of the bubble popping. Been too busy with other things today. Including correcting folks who are wrong on the Interwebs. :-)

Jimmy Hoffa

7:32 PM

@GlenH7 a most important task of course

user41796

Indeed

user41796

And I had to pause my more interesting task that we discussed earlier so I can re-figure out the syntax for the target data store. Blech.

Nick Alexeev

Folks, is there a good/standard text for 2D CAD algorithms?
I'm asking this, because in the near future I may be tasked with implementing certain design rule checking (DRC) for 2D dxf files.

Jimmy Hoffa

@NickAlexeev you're speaking gobbledygook. You might as well be asking which way the monad blows

whatsisname

there is no one "2D CAD"

user41796

7:46 PM

@JimmyHoffa Wait, WUT? Monads blow? I thought that was only monoids.

Jimmy Hoffa

Oct 14 '13 at 17:45, by Jimmy Hoffa

@jozefg Monoids are easy!

user41796

@WorldEngineer - is it appropriate to removing the whinging from a meta post? Marisc probably has a legitimate issue on his hands, but the post reeks a bit too much of self-entitled whinging.

user20683

@GlenH7 Whinging?

user20683

Sorry I just got in

Nick Alexeev

@JimmyHoffa Which part of my question is unclear to you? Perhaps, I was using some terms that are domain-specific.

user41796

7:49 PM

I'll gently clean it up if that's acceptable. But I realize meta is different.

Thomas Owens

@GlenH7 It's fine.

Don't edit it.

user41796

@ThomasOwens Okay, I'll leave it.

user41796

I had 3 or 4 snarky comments to leave and then realized it would be better to just clean it up so the core question is answerable.

user41796

If I queried DESE correctly, he's only got 1 Q and 1 A. +3/-3 on the Q and 0 on the A. Dunno if he's got older deleted posts though.

user20683

@GlenH7 Very likely

user20683

7:53 PM

That's usually why that happens

Jimmy Hoffa

@NickAlexeev yeah you are using domain specific terminology, also though I'm not sure your phrasing made much sense. You should probably explain the question a bit better, but the domain is still far from mine so what the hell would I know. Ask @WorldEngineer, he likes pictures and shiny things

user20683

@JimmyHoffa I don't do CAD

user41796

@NickAlexeev - I agree with whatsisname. There isn't a single "2D CAD" so your question is founded on an assumption that's not true.

Jimmy Hoffa

Have you tried turning it off and back on again? — Jimmy Hoffa 5 secs ago

It had to be said...

user41796

> Not helping. :-)

user20683

7:57 PM

@JimmyHoffa I've done Image Processing and 3D artwork in Blender. And obviously some web designish stuff

Jimmy Hoffa

Have you deleted any old content (Q's or answers) anywhere on P.SE? The question ban algorithm takes more than simply community closed/deleted content into account, it also looks at your number of downvotes and weights the bad against the percentage of positive content you've had. It's black magic I know, but I think you're not acknowledging all the variables at play in the algorithm. — Jimmy Hoffa 8 secs ago

@WorldEngineer I just thought you were a fan of anything that sparkled or glinted in the sunlight

user41796

> That's helping

user20683

@JimmyHoffa I do like geology...

user20683

@JimmyHoffa I despise Twilight, however.

Nick Alexeev

I think that your assumption that "there is not a single 2D CAD" is not true either. Old versions of AutoCAD worked only with 2D drawings, so that was a 2D CAD. Proof by existence.
Perhaps, I'm up against a semantic barrier here.

user41796

8:01 PM

@NickAlexeev There are lots of 2D CAD programs out there. But if you want just "AutoCAD 2D CAD" then that significantly scopes what you're asking about. You can argue that's semantics, but it's fairly important.

user20683

►

user20683

And now for something completely different.

Nick Alexeev

What I'm actually after are *algorithms* for analyzing 2D vector drawings; such algorithms used in 2D CAD.
[If I wanted insight on AutoCAD, I would not have come to Programmers.SE . If you don't assume that I'm stupid, I'll gladly reciprocate.]

user41796

@NickAlexeev Offhand, none that I know of. Others may know otherwise.

user20683

@NickAlexeev Analyzing how?

user20683

8:08 PM

feature detection?

user41796

That said, what may be of more interest is what your company wants to see checked. So if there is a crew of design engineers then ask them what they always look for to be wrong with drawings. It doesn't save you the effort of translating their experience into an algorithm, but it does save you the effort of coding to check for things that never occur in the drawings anyway.

Nick Alexeev

It's a design rule checking kind of analysis: crossed lines, clearances between lines, identifying if a given point belongs to a part or to hole in a part, offsetting lines. This is not a complete list; these are just the things that I know so far.
I can think-up ways of doing this. But I'd like to avoid reinventing the wheel.

Ampt

HA! Made my Django+Backbone app work. Eat it @JimmyHoffa

user41796

@Ampt but does it have a monad?

Ampt

I just had to master Django, Backbone, Regex, JS, and at least a dozen other things first...

Nick Alexeev

8:14 PM

@GlenH7 Yes, there is an engineer, who manually checks the drawings, and my objective is to help semi-automate that work.

Ampt

So you want to automate part of the manual checking of drawings?

or would this be a pre-inspection checker of sorts

user20683

@NickAlexeev :That sounds like something Matlab would be good at

Nick Alexeev

@Ampt Preferably, it would be a pre-inspection.

user20683

crosses himself to ward off lesser of the evil Ms

Ampt

Is this for a particular field/application? like 3d printing, or structural designs?

user20683

8:17 PM

you'd basically read the file into matlab, then have it run matrix operations

Nick Alexeev

@WorldEngineer Is there a Matlab toolbox for this?

user20683

@Ampt CAD

user20683

@NickAlexeev I wish I knew, I used Matlab to do a little bit of image work and then ran away screaming

user20683

let me go see

Nick Alexeev

@WorldEngineer And yet, after all the screaming, you are recommending it to me...

Ampt

8:18 PM

Are you sure the tool you're using doesn't already support this?

a lot of the big CAD programs are very, very good

user41796

@NickAlexeev He's kinda funny that way....

user20683

@NickAlexeev because it's very, very good at domain specific things but as a general programming language it's pointless

user20683

another option would be something like Scipy/Numpy

user20683

You need something with a very good linear algebra library

user20683

as far as I can tell anyway

user20683

8:21 PM

mathworks.com/products/connections/product_detail/…

user20683

that looks vaguely useful

Nick Alexeev

@WorldEngineer I need to figure out the algorithms, logic, math. That is, before a powerful linear algebra package (library) becomes useful. This is why I'm looking for a textbook (first and foremost).

user20683

@NickAlexeev ah

user20683

This may be a bit much but here:

user20683

amazon.com/Vector-Analysis-Computer-Graphics-Vince/dp/…

user20683

8:27 PM

user20683

might be useful as well

user20683

unfortunately I'm a bit undertrained as far as higher math goes. Working on that but at the moment I'm a tad limited

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt I never said BackBone doesn't work, just seemed very batteries-not-included

@Ampt but good on ya; how's it working? Nice?

Nick Alexeev

@WorldEngineer So [udertrained and overforgotten] am I. But thank for the link to book. That's a [low] start.

Yannis Rizos

-1

A: How do you delete an account from programmers ?

Count me as gone next because of people like gnat, MichaelT, Euphoric, GlenH7, Doc Brown, Glenn Nelson, World Engineer♦, Dynamic They would rather silence users than engage in meaningful problem solving.

Sigh...

user20683

8:30 PM

@NickAlexeev I do what I can. Kreysig's book on Engineering Math is good, very comprehensive.

user41796

@YannisRizos echo that. And such valuable contributions he had made....

Ampt

Its working pretty well. it actually did a lot more than I thought it did

I was pulling from two opposing tutorials, so I ended up with a ton more code than I needed

I pared it down and it started working pretty well.

@GlenH7 I'm a little hurt I didn't make the list...

user41796

I'm trying to think of where he pulled the list from...

user41796

Slightly broader abstraction - with clearing out the crap questions from the NPR days, I wonder what the impact is to those who joined during NPR days, didn't come back for a while, and then the Q-ban algorithm was implemented.

user41796

Part of me thinks it's a bit unfair to penalize them because they got caught up in the cleaning. OTOH, it's not that hard to provide a few quality answers and work your way out of a ban.

Ampt

8:38 PM

That would be pretty crappy

I mean they did it before the rules changed, in good faith

user41796

I think it would be reasonable justification to ask to have the ban lifted. SE employees have done that in the past in limited cases.

Yannis Rizos

@GlenH7 If someone was banned solely due to their NPR days posts, I'm pretty sure SE would lift the ban (by disassociating their old posts from their accounts).

user20683

NPR though is a pretty narrow window

user41796

@YannisRizos I would think so to. It was more of a thought experiment for me. I think there's a decent number of users who signed up during NPR days but then drifted away.

user41796

@WorldEngineer Agreed. We could talk about the lingering effects but I don't think that will get anyone anywhere.

user20683

8:49 PM

@GlenH7 The window of false perception is effectively permanent

user41796

I fear that statement is more true than I wish to accept.

user20683

I did run across a JS book today that's entirely about this and prototypes

Robert Harvey

0

Q: Composition when there is no multiple inheritance

Simple question: For those who prefer composition over inheritance, do you still prefer composition if the hierarchy has no multiple inheritance at all, no virtual inheritance, no ambiguity issues, etc... If so, why?

inheritance composition

Is this a good question for Programmers?

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa whoops, just realized that link I gave you wasn't quite working as I expected. POST wasn't working. I fixed it now though

user41796

@RobertHarvey Seems broad / opinion based.

Ampt

8:53 PM

@RobertHarvey hasMonads() ? No : No;

user20683

@RobertHarvey Seems a tad broad to me

user20683

but we can narrow it down a tad

Robert Harvey

Do you want it?

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt whatever, I was in a meeting

@Ampt new? pfleh. Taking your Java idioms to JavaScript. Yech.

oh that brings back memories...backbone with underscore templates yeah that's exactly like the garbagey app I put together a couple years ago

    render: function() {
        //tmpl is a function that takes a JSON object and returns html
        var tmpl = _.template( this.template );

        //this.el is what we defined in tagName. use $el to get access to jQuery html() function
        this.$el.html( tmpl( this.model.toJSON() ) );

        return this;
    }

^-- that should be baked into the library

Ampt

@JimmyHoffa well now you can add and delete!

yeah, not saying it's great

just that it works

:P

user20683

9:02 PM

►

user20683

It's a tad freaky how well these quotes match modding

Ampt

aaaand now I want to play SC

Robert Harvey

11

Q: $ \tan 1^\circ \cdot \tan 2^\circ \cdot \tan 3^\circ \cdots \tan 89^\circ$

How can I find the following product using elementary trigonometry? $$ \tan 1^\circ \cdot \tan 2^\circ \cdot \tan 3^\circ \cdots \tan 89^\circ.$$ I have tried using a substitution, but nothing has worked.

algebra-precalculus trigonometry

As I expected would happen, the meta discussion was wiped completely clean.

Ampt

Oh yeah, I saw that this morning

Robert Harvey

The mods over there are smart. They wait a day while the conversation runs its course, and then... BOOM.

MetaFight

9:05 PM

this again?

Shuddup.

lol

Yeah, what he said

We want to beat a dead horse again, already.

Ampt

clearly the way they do things is inferior to the way we do things, and we want to re-iterrate that to ourselves again

MetaFight

9:06 PM

hey, if you want to beat off a dead horse... by all means.

Robert Harvey

I was going to post a retort on their Meta, but found this instead.

62

Q: Proposal for promoting more interesting, deeper questions

There was recently a (now-locked) thread about the prevalence of "do my homework" questions on math.se. I want to set aside for now the question about what to do about people posting homework questions -- it's clear the topic is controversial and there are no easy answers. Instead I want to focus...

discussion feature-request

Ampt

I just think it's odd that they've clearly deemed the question as too crappy to provide a full answer, but not crappy enough to close

so you get a bunch of bad questions with highly upvoted hints

Robert Harvey

Yeah, that's the big fail.

MetaFight

that poor horse.

user41796

@Ampt I think that would qualify as stinky unicorn poo.

Ampt

9:07 PM

If my answer is truly not helping because the question isn't clear enough, then close the question

user20683

@MetaFight Fetches the necromancer

2

user41796

@WorldEngineer You might get a badge for it too!

user20683

@GlenH7 I think I already have that badge

Ampt

@RobertHarvey Do they want... super upvotes?

what?

user20683

People just want us to be reddit

user20683

9:09 PM

That's all any of this really is

Robert Harvey

@Ampt It starts off by suggesting an alternative to the bounty system (probably one that doesn't cost them any rep), but then gets deeply into the "hints" problem.

Jimmy Hoffa

@Ampt that's the sort of stuff where it's like... that code is pure boilerplate, Backbone should own it for you, that's the kind of thing where when I was putting together my Backbone app and had to do that code (basically to a T) it was clear to me there's no reason the Backbone lib shouldn't do that for me

Robert Harvey

So they've obviously discussed it before. It's their community, they can run it however they want, I guess. It's just that the game-show vibe really irritates me, that's all.

Ampt

Yeah, it's just contrary to the rest of SE. Of course these are mathematicians we're talking about. They're pretty much in their own little world

user20683

@Ampt You've clearly never had to deal with Philosophers

user20683

9:12 PM

or Gender Studies

ratchet freak

0

Q: How passionately can you define programming?

NOTE: This is a subjective question and I am seeking the opinion of the community. Please try and answer this question as passionately as possible. It is my humble request to you (the reader). If this question is not meant for this site, please inform me before it is removed. This pos...

definition

Robert Harvey

Ack. Gender Studies??

ratchet freak

talking about gameshow

Ampt

@ratchetfreak why couldn't you have made that the close reason

user20683

My favorite moment of my entire CS education was finding out my Comp Arch prof didn't know what "Post-Modern" meant.

Ampt

9:13 PM

1 more

if this thing makes it to 5 minutes I'm gonna be a little sad

ratchet freak

it's late and DV reset isn't for a few hours

user41796

@ratchetfreak DV reset is only with serial downvoting. If the whole community piles on one question, those votes stick.

ratchet freak

won't stop a mod though, hint, hint

user41796

until the question is deleted. Then they get their rep back if it's recent enough.

ratchet freak

I meant CV

MetaFight

9:15 PM

programmers.stackexchange.com/questions/254527/…

though I'm pretty sure my first question was guilty of that.

user41796

@ratchetfreak Yeah, I've been out of CVs for a while now today. </whine>

MetaFight

and I'm too lazy to look it up.

ratchet freak

@Ampt 5 minutes from question until self delete

Robert Harvey

Well, that went well.

user20683

`def programming(self):`
` return passion = [this for me in programming if self is true]`

user41796

9:17 PM

I put it on my favorites list as I'm sure that one will come in handy later.

user20683

I'm pretty sure that's entirely valid python code

MetaFight

man, you guys are dicks ;)

ducks just kidding!

ratchet freak

@WorldEngineer I think you are missing an indent

user20683

@MetaFight judge me not by one part of my body

user20683

@ratchetfreak eaten by the formatting

ratchet freak

9:18 PM

add some more spaces to start the code block formatting

Robert Harvey

@AsafKaragila Why not study astrology? Or dumpster diving? Some things are not worth learning. — Robert Harvey Oct 26 '11 at 4:40

user20683

@GlenH7 You're a quack

user41796

And self-deprecating.

user20683

@GlenH7 So when's Glen 2.0's API going into beta?

user41796

@WorldEngineer We're now working in an agile mode and don't bother with scheduling. But we haven't determined when the sprint will end.

user20683

9:22 PM

@GlenH7 When you, like, run out of VC funding...duh.

user41796

<--- self.Funding()

Robert Harvey

@Ampt: If there's any justice in the world, your answer on that Math.SE question will be the one that gets accepted (since, y'know, it's the only one that actually answers the question).

ratchet freak

@GlenH7 then the decision: eat xor program?

user41796

@ratchetfreak return true;

user20683

@GlenH7 project scope issues then?

ratchet freak

9:23 PM

@RobertHarvey or the OP won't come back as he's tired of all the "hints"

user41796

@WorldEngineer That's probably putting it mildly.

Ampt

@RobertHarvey I won't hold my breath.

the other problem is that it's not a formal proof

Robert Harvey

The OP didn't ask for a formal proof. He just wanted to know how to do it.

Ampt

@ratchetfreak I'll accept that

user20683

@GlenH7 I'm currently reviewing HTML/CSS, learning more JS, trying to break into advanced Python, and producing working Haskell code

user20683

9:25 PM

That last one is provably NP-hard

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Ampt

@RobertHarvey I think it's funny that I accumulated 9 upvotes and 4 downvotes over that, while the hints only grew

user20683

@Ampt Math needs to take a hint.

Ampt

@WorldEngineer Don't tell them that though. They're an up-tight bunch

user41796

@Ampt You should post a huge complaint on there meta. :-)

Robert Harvey

@WorldEngineer You mean code that actually compiles?

user20683

9:27 PM

@RobertHarvey more or less

Ampt

@GlenH7 I briefly considered flagging the other two answers as not-an-answer

but I'm not going to touch that hornets nest. This is the status quo for Math.SE

user20683

@Ampt They are tightly compacted spheres.

Robert Harvey

Waste of time. If the mods thought that this was a problem, they'd have fixed it a long time ago.

user20683

I know they voted to burn homework

Ampt

I would be interested to see upvote/downvote stats for that site versus other sites

user20683

9:28 PM

@Ampt you might be able to get that via SEDE

Ampt

both of the "answers" there asked for explanations for downvotes like they were personally offended

user20683

which I just realized you can pronounce "Seedy".

Ampt

@WorldEngineer sounds sort of sketchy. you sure it's safe?

user20683

@Ampt It's T-SQL, is that ever safe?

Ampt

Really considering that bot for hints. See a post with a Tan(x)? remind them that Tan=sin/cos

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A: Solve for $\theta$: $a = b\tan\theta - \frac{c}{\cos\theta}$

Hint: $$ \tan(\theta) = \frac{\sin(\theta)}{cos(\theta)}$$

I just couldn't help myself

Jimmy Hoffa

9:33 PM

I am living in DLL HELL

I HATE YOU NUGET

(removed and not gently)

Ampt

Ok, who upvoted that

I swear if that gets upvotes, I'm giving up on that site completely

ratchet freak

9:58 PM

@Ampt you know that if you link stuff here you get a mini-meta effect

Magmas

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