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8:00 PM
@NathanOsman - Correction: the for loop doesn't run at all
Not even one iteration
 
Any errors?
 
Hello everyone. I have installed the Git Kraken app on my system (Kubuntu). Although it starts running and shows on the task bar for a few seconds the program doesn't open. Any ideas from more experienced users on how to debug this?
 
@NathanOsman No. But is the data inside c being discarded because I haven't created an instance of the class, and rather just invoking it directly?
 
You haven't created an instance?
 
@NathanOsman It won't let me, because it's abstract
 
8:02 PM
Mind if I see the code?
 
@NathanOsman Java or Go?
 
why did my coffee message to Zanna get 3 stars? o_O
 
@AndroidDev Maybe both since I am a bit confused now.
 
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@Seth: I don't know, but whenever I see a starred message which I either agree with or think is fun I usually give it a star... :D
 
@ParanoidPanda Time to test that theory.
Ahem...
I am a banana.
4
 
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8:04 PM
:D
 
Lol.
So you agree with me being a banana? :P
 
user136984
Yes :P
 
Yikes.
 
user136984
You know, sometimes when I look at you, I just get these monkey thoughts... Sometimes it's hard to resist just taking a bite... >:P
 
user136984
Sorry, I know that was really weird, but you kind of started it! :D
 
8:07 PM
@NathanOsman Okay, here's the Go and here's the Java
 
Conjecture: copy shops are the public pools of digital infection vectors.
 
Thanks.
I found the problem.
 
user136984
@Nathan: For a moment there I was confused about who you were saying thank you to! :D
 
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I was thinking, which of the three of us could it be?
 
You are calling c.Close() as soon as TestNathansAPI exits.
That is shutting down the socket.
You'll want to remove that line.
@DavidFoerster I can believe that.
 
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8:08 PM
Drat, me brains gone bananas! I honestly just replaced your name there with bananas: TestBananaAPI
 
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Right, time to go and drink something with strong caffeine in it! I'm starting to lose the plot... :P
 
@NathanOsman sigh
 
Hey, that's part of learning :D
 
@DavidFoerster likely, but I would be pretty happy just to find one reasonably local to me in London since my printer died (ps anyone want to, er, forcefully disassemble a dead printer?)
 
@NathanOsman Alright, well I'll stop annoying you for a while now... I think I have enough to work with for a bit :)
 
8:12 PM
@Zanna How do you disassemble without force or, rather, why do you think exceptional force is necessary to disassemble this one?
 
Printers are evil. This is an established fact.
Therefore exceptional force is always required :P
 
@NathanOsman Albeit a necessary one. We even have specialised tech priests that deal with this evil.
 
@DavidFoerster I meant, would anyone like to vent their general rage against printers on my printer? Because it's not good for anything else
it was a euphemism, I meant, take a golf club to it gleefully, something like that
 
I have much printer wrath to unleash.
Glares angrily in HP's corner.
 
@Seth seems they'll be charging me $50 for shipping on this gorgeous-looking herbal coffee :/ maybe I'll have to wait until Whole Foods here start stocking it...
 
8:16 PM
(tech priests = Adeptus Mechanicus for anyone who didn't get the WH40k reference)
@Zanna please post the result on /r/techgore
 
haha I personally don't get a kick out of breaking stuff, even if it's really, really annoying, so I'm donating
 
8:48 PM
@NathanOsman I recycle printers....and other wise refuse to use them...
 
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9:01 PM
Ah, he's not online so he probably won't notice that suspension... And I can't ping him because he hasn't been in here for a while.
 
9:42 PM
@Zanna ouch, that's sad :(
international shipping is awful..
 
I sent them a message asking if I could get it in the UK
 
Canonical charges something like $30 to ship a t-shirt out here.
@Zanna oh that was a good idea
 
@Seth Yeah that sucks. Some places do offer fairly decent shipping rates so I'm not sure why it varies so much. But I've ordered stuff with decent shipping and then got hit with £20+ customs charges :/
@Seth fingers crossed :)
 
@Zanna same here. both the international shipping rates and customs (sales tax).
 
:S
 
9:46 PM
@Zanna ouch!
 
the stuff looks luscious. Maybe I should just plan a holiday or something (hmm with non-existent funds...)
 
Even worse is if the shipping company plasters their tracking stickers over the customs declaration of the seller and then you have to go personally to the customs office so they can open the package in your presence. :-C
 
ugh
 
and I can't even complain about that to DHL because I wasn't their customer in those cases. The seller was.
 
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For god sake! This room is crazy! I'm leaving!
 
9:53 PM
posted on May 29, 2017 by bluppfisk

When copying and pasting I need to use ctrl-insert, but I often accidentally push fn-insert on the Dell XPS 13 (ubuntu 16.04). The screen immediately turns off and shortly after the power light goes off too. What's this and how can I stop this from happening?

 
@DavidFoerster yeah international shipping is really one of those things where you can end up lumbered with all kinds of responsibility and annoyance that you have no control over or recourse for. I used to do admin for a wholesaler and the international shipping was by far the biggest PITA to deal with from that end too
I don't see how the room is more crazy than usual though... puzzled
 
@ParanoidPanda ...okay?
 
lol... I must exit vim 4 times a day on average, but still laugh at those jokes every time...
 
I exited it once. And for ever.
 
10:00 PM
@ByteCommander Vim. Not even once.
 
I accidentally walked into it when setting up sudo in my Arch Linux VM.
 
Next thing I know I stick scissors into the wall plug because I saw a spider steal my Vim and crawl in there.
 
@Zanna I have very mixed feeling about them. I mean, they're kinda funny, but vim is also super simple too..
 
@TheWanderer noooo, don't commit the APK to the repository.
 
@NathanOsman oops lol
 
10:01 PM
I purposely put a line into .gitignore to prevent that.
ಠ_ಠ
 
@Seth Yeah, the concept is pretty simple but it differs quite a bit from the interaction paradigms to which most people are used.
 
@DavidFoerster true
 
@NathanOsman why
 
why?! ಠ_ಠ
 
Only source code gets committed to the repository.
 
10:02 PM
Why
 
Because that's what it's for.
Because.
 
if you want, put the apks under the release page
but not in the repo D:
 
You can't diff APKs.
 
@TheWanderer Because you don't check generated artefacts into a source code repository.
You check in the source and the recipe to generate the artefact.
 
^--- this
 
10:04 PM
@Seth yeah, seems so to me, but I think at this point I'm just laughing because each joke brings up so many hilarious memories of ways other people have joked and responded to it
 
@Zanna that makes sense. meta jokes xD
Those can be hilarious.
 
yeah!
 
@Seth release page?
Is there any reason besides "you don't"?
 
…but that's just a matter of principle. If you're looking for practical reasons: source code repositories are typically optimised for text files that allow for some kind of change tracking based on individual lines (or words). Many generated artefacts are not text files and don't fit into this use case.
 
same reason you don't put the CSS inside the HTML
 
10:07 PM
@Seth organization?
 
The repository is for the code, not binaries. The release page is for binaries/releases.
@TheWanderer Mostly, yes.
 
How do I upload the releases
 
I concur with Seth.
 
@TheWanderer git tag
navigate to yourRepo/releases and it'll show you
 
The thing is that Git & Co. are actually "source code revision management systems" and not some dumb repositories where you can dump files and track their versions. They're meant to track, annotate and attribute changes at the scope of smaller units than files: typically lines, sometimes words.
 
10:15 PM
@TheWanderer I can help you with that when we have a release.
 
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@Zanna I don't know what to say, but this room has put me in a weird and bad position...
 
@NathanOsman oke
@DavidFoerster I've been uploading APKs to my repos for convenience to visitors
@ByteCommander xD
 
@TheWanderer isn't that what the "Releases" section is for?
 
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Oh, and goodnight!
 
@ByteCommander well apparently I don't get to know how to use that until we're ready for production
 
10:23 PM
@TheWanderer I see many people do similar things: Windows and Linux executables, Java archives, Debian packages, generated PDF documentation…
GitHub has internal and external tools that build that stuff automatically and upload them as release files.
Sure, it may be easier, and that can be a reasonable argument to do it.
However, at least for me my GitHub profile will likely be tied to future job applications and it would help if I can show that I can properly use and manage an SCM.
 
I think as we all know, I cannot properly manage an SCM :p
 
hah, IPv6 uses duplicate address detection or DAD to determine if an address is in use. There has to be a joke in there somewhere :P
 
a DAD joke?
@NathanOsman so after all that critiquing I hope you're working on getting the thing to function
 
@TheWanderer of some sort, yes.
 
whoosh?
 
10:38 PM
huh?
 
dad jokes --> DAD jokes?
 
right
 
ARGH. SYSTEMD.
 
NATHAND?
 
Even my Pi hates you.
 
10:41 PM
the ultimate evil
@NathanOsman where's your chat bubble?
 
I'm mobile.
Due to borrowing a monitor for my Pi.
 
>_>
 
@NathanOsman SSH -X ftw
 
11:09 PM
@NathanOsman pls
 
So if I connect the WiFi card before booting the Pi, it doesn't work
But if I connect it after booting it works.
This is stupid.
 
lol
 
@NathanOsman: I saw questions like this on AU but without systemd.
 
11:35 PM
[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Remove parenthesis and brackets from multiple directories by tulpan on askubuntu.com
 
@SmokeDetector seems legit
 
blorps
@SmokeDetector k
oh well screw ya too ya dumb bot
 
@ThomasWard smokey doesn't listen to us here :(
on an unrelated note, does @anyone know any good quickbooks-like accounting software for linux?
 
@KazWolfe it listens to me :P
because GOD
 
well that was stupid. -.-
@ThomasWard not in this room
 
11:42 PM
@Seth actually, if it's on Midnight it does, but i'm evil and hacked the bot :P
 
@SmokeDetector question protected, it seems to be getting spam.
@ThomasWard brb reporting to undo
 
@ThomasWard hah
 
@KazWolfe lol. I have commit access, it's a sekret botcode anyways :P
usually when it's on TCOM instead.
 
at that point, just add listening to augr
 
anyways
@Seth so that link you gave me?
 
11:43 PM
so.... does anybody know a good quickbooks alternative on linux?
 
apparently didn't work, so I'll have to ask Comcast what they expect me to set up
i don't need IPv6 :P
but meh
 
@ThomasWard sorry :/
 
'tis fine, I think it's Comcast's fault
they give me a /128 address >.>
and, that's it.
 
@ThomasWard wtf
 
i know right
 
11:47 PM
i mean, it sorta makes half sense, but the entire point of ipv6 is that each device can get their own IP without NAT.
comcast can easily give a /64 to each residential customer and be perfectly fine.
 
@KazWolfe oh and I know they do, but it doesn't like getting a /64 request from me.
 
they gave me a /64 Kaz
 
and i'm totally fine splitting a /64 even more.
(brb)
 
I mean, there are 2,305,843,009,213,693,952 /64s in the entire 2001::/3 subnet.
 
what's this ipv6 stuff, we had is-is in 1992 ;) they're actually put together very similarly
 
11:50 PM
each ISP can put aside two /32s for just residential customers... that's 4,294,967,296 /64s for each /32
which is plenty for any ISP. No ISP will ever serve 8 billion residential customers.
 
@NathanOsman is taking over the starwall
 
big ISPs can do just fine forever with a /24
smaller ISPs can do just fine with a /28 or /30 even.
really really tiny ISPs can do well with a single /32 or even a /48.
 
famous last words, is more what I was going for
 
A /24 is 1,099,511,627,776 /64 subnets.
there are very few customers that need a /32, and no ISP is going to have more than 10 of those.
Most companies that will need a /32 are probably big enough to buy their own and would have agreements with multiple ISPs.
And that's still only 2000::/3. There's still 4000::/3, 6000::/3, and so on to play with that aren't released yet
 

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