Ask Ubuntu General Room

12:00 AM

refrigerator, toaster, microwave, washing machine, drier, 1-2 thermostats, AC unit actual, heating unit actual, each light fixture in a house, 2 laptops, 2 tablets, 2 phones, 2 televisions. now take that number and make it one apartment building with pick a number of units. they go quick if you think about everything being internet connected moving forward.

Kaz Wolfe

All of that can fit into a /64 with plenty of room to spare.

RobotHumans

I know. Just saying. It's only going to keep growing. Totes not arguing that we'll run out.

Kaz Wolfe

Assuming we don't give IPv6 addresses out like candy (very few residentials need a /48), we'll be fine.

Well, that is, if ISPs don't act like morons.

This is why the micro-isp model seems to be a good idea. Fit an entire apartment building into a /57... you'll have 128 /64s to play with.

(and room for expansion if you need to)

RobotHumans

That would be a good idea.

Kaz Wolfe

plus then we break up the massive ISPs into smaller segments who are a lot more grounded.

so, your ISP becomes your tech-savvy neighbor who is in turn feeding from some citywide organization, who links to the state backbone.

who, depending on the size, links to the country backbone (or whatever denomination) or directly to the international network

RobotHumans

12:07 AM

cities have had problems getting stonewalled trying to even manage at the city level though.

Kaz Wolfe

again, big isps.

RobotHumans

I agree, that is part of the problem.

Kaz Wolfe

just do a representative system. your neighborhood tech guy is part of the "Any City Internet Providers Group", who has a single representative in the "Wyoming Internet Providers Group" or whatever.

RobotHumans

pie in the sky i think, but i'm not against it

Wow, 4 million on a kickstarter with a target of 21k hope they don't have death by success. I like the idea/product.

SmokeDetector

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RobotHumans

12:35 AM

@NobodyNada NES programming? I'm interested, what exactly do you mean by that?

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman so how does one convert Go to Java?

Android Dev

@TheWanderer I don't think you can just "convert" it. I think that's like saying how does one convert C++ to Java

Why do you ask BTW?

Kaz Wolfe

I think it's trolling.

TheWanderer

hue

@AndroidDev what word would you use? It's manual, but it's conversion

Android Dev

12:50 AM

@TheWanderer Port

TheWanderer

uh

Android Dev

shrug

Personal preference I guess

RobotHumans

@TheWanderer i'ld suspect not trolling

TheWanderer

wat

Android Dev

@TheWanderer But seriously, why do you ask?

TheWanderer

12:53 AM

because I'm impatient

RobotHumans

I was pointing at you and saying I suspect you're not trolling shortly after someone thought/said they thought you were.

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Later tonight I may have a "TEST PLZ" for you :)

TheWanderer

uh it's already pretty "later tonight"

Android Dev

True

I stayed up late last night getting it to work initially :D

TheWanderer

yeesh

@KazWolfe can you install the beta version of my app and test the QS Header Tile Count slider?

on the S8

Kaz Wolfe

12:57 AM

not right now

but yes, i can later.

TheWanderer

ok

Thomas Ward

@NobodyNada I should throw sticks at ya

Android Dev

@KazWolfe U have an S8?

Kaz Wolfe

@AndroidDev sadly, yes

TheWanderer

@ThomasWard wat

Android Dev

1:05 AM

@KazWolfe I saw one on display at Target. I didn't like it at all. It just didn't feel right.

TheWanderer

I still don't understand why they switched the side of the heartrate sensor/flash to put th fingerprint sensor on the far side of the camera

Kaz Wolfe

@TheWanderer because lefthanded people

TheWanderer

it's so stupid

Nathan Osman

Dang. I done goofed. I don't have my LastPass master password with me and can't login to CI.

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer he's running Smokey. without SmokeDetector chat account data.

so blarghlargh

TheWanderer

1:08 AM

@NathanOsman rip

Kaz Wolfe

giving something to lefthanded people is stupid? THAT'S HANDIST!

Nathan Osman

I could log into my desktop at home but it's turned off.

TheWanderer

@KazWolfe I'm left handed you dummy

Nathan Osman

And I could turn it on with WoL but my Pi is also unplugged.

TheWanderer

xD

Nathan Osman

1:09 AM

Murphy's Law is mean.

Kaz Wolfe

Lefthanded people being handist against left handed people? Just shows how bad our culture is.

TheWanderer

@KazWolfe shut your face you... you-- EVANGELIST

Nathan Osman

So that's what "right" and "left" mean...

:P

Kaz Wolfe

@TheWanderer Low blow.

TheWanderer

I know

Kaz Wolfe

1:10 AM

Low, low, blow.

TheWanderer

but it was the only way to drive the point home

Kaz Wolfe

I should flag you for that.

TheWanderer

HOW LOOOOW CAN YOU GO

LIMBO TO THE HAMSTERDANCE

Kaz Wolfe

samsung phones are such awesome hardware things (usually)... it's a shame their software was designed by three year olds.

RobotHumans

every time i hear or see how low can you go, i hear ludacris "get low" in my head.

Nathan Osman

1:11 AM

Flag flag flag flag...

Kaz Wolfe

@TheWanderer Not lower than calling me an... evangelist of all things.

TheWanderer

@KazWolfe that is my exact sentiment

Samsung makes beautiful phones, without the software to match

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer and the hardware.

I mean... no Fastboot.

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman their hardware on flagships is really good.

@NathanOsman that's software

TheWanderer

and when I've asked some longtime Samsung users why they don't go to another phone after they complain about how slow it gets, they cite how they've always used TouchWiz

Nathan Osman

1:13 AM

@KazWolfe couldn't edit fast enough on mobile.

TheWanderer

but with the Nougat update, TouchWiz got a pretty drastic change

Kaz Wolfe

@NathanOsman still software

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman still software

lol

Kaz Wolfe

firmware is software.

TheWanderer

although the KNOX counter is hardware

Nathan Osman

1:14 AM

Firmware maybe?

TheWanderer

and that's a stupid thing

Nathan Osman

Fastboot runs at a low level.

Kaz Wolfe

their hardware could support fastboot instead of odin, but their firmware just uses odin instead.

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman firmware instanceof software

Kaz Wolfe

knox is hardware, but that doesn't mean it has to be used, either.

TheWanderer

1:14 AM

ODIN is pretty great tbh

@KazWolfe well you don't have much choice with the counter

Kaz Wolfe

it should be you need to manually arm knox in enterprise settings.

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer wat

Kaz Wolfe

and once you arm it, it can't be disarmed until it's tripped.

Nathan Osman

Last time I used Odin I soft-bricked.

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman it's really powerful. You can recover from anything as long as you can get into Download Mode

Nathan Osman

1:15 AM

Same with Fastboot.

Lol

TheWanderer

ehh

Kaz Wolfe

i think there might be a way to hard-brick with either tool

TheWanderer

you don't really have the same degree of control though

Kaz Wolfe

like overwriting bootloader

Nathan Osman

Pretty hard to brick Nexus devices. Although they have their own issues.

TheWanderer

1:16 AM

I think you can still get into DM without a bootloader

@NathanOsman like loose solder

Nathan Osman

Yes.

Or stuck buttons.

TheWanderer

that you then rip out of their loose solder

Kaz Wolfe

either way, yes. fastboot > odin, though iirc odin is lower level.

still both protocol implementations in the firmware

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer ...and then can't reattach.

Trust me. I know.

TheWanderer

lolol

Nathan Osman

1:18 AM

BTW, if anyone wants a replacement screen from a Nexus 5...

TheWanderer

Smart fliphone

@NathanOsman what are you doing atm

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Can a go method have multiple return statements?

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer ick

TheWanderer

and why isn't it the app? :p

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer sitting in a motor vehicle.

Kaz Wolfe

1:19 AM

@AndroidDev i think any language can?

only one can be "active" though.

Nathan Osman

Cuz Android programming on an Android is hard?

Kaz Wolfe

except for python's yield iirc

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman not driving I hope

@KazWolfe iirc iirc iirc iirc

Nathan Osman

Of course not.

TheWanderer

gud

Kaz Wolfe

1:20 AM

@TheWanderer No useless pings, please. (Unless you're @ThomasWard because I can't stop him)

@KazWolfe mkay

like that one ^?

>:)

@TheWanderer Yes.

yawns, then falls over and blorps over @KazWolfe before becoming a shapeless blob on the floor

Kaz Wolfe

1:21 AM

@NathanOsman not useless, it shows acknowledgement.

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman why do you always have such an intense stare in your pictures?

Nathan Osman

Needs more ketchup.

TheWanderer

I'm scared

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer in a deep voice: goooooood.

TheWanderer

@KazWolfe I am @ThomasWard remember?

Nathan Osman

1:21 AM

Mwahaha.

TheWanderer

okey dokey

Kaz Wolfe

@TheWanderer You are not. Unless your username is Thomas Ward, you are not Thomas Ward.

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman are you on your way to a Zedd concert or something?

Nathan Osman

@TheWanderer useless ping alarm goes off.

TheWanderer

@KazWolfe well now I know what to do

Nathan Osman

1:22 AM

@TheWanderer nop

TheWanderer

wat do

Nathan Osman

"Dsn pre workout"

Wat

TheWanderer

are you off to Conquer the World?

Kaz Wolfe

@TheWanderer you are a terrible guesser

TheWanderer

@KazWolfe sorry Brain

Nathan Osman

1:23 AM

@TheWanderer yes. And I have written a Visual Basic application to track your IP address.

So you better run.

TheWanderer

oh so I'm the world to you? <3

Nathan Osman

You missed the reference!

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Almost time for a PLZ TEST :)

TheWanderer

I don't think I've ever heard that reference

Nathan Osman

reddit.com/r/itsaunixsystem/comments/25e2g0/…

RobotHumans

1:27 AM

all the star @NathanOsman

Nathan Osman

This is why we can't have technically accurate movies.

RobotHumans

I think it was supposed to be a NeoTrace reference. Related and hilarious vbforums.com/showthread.php?262726-Just-a-thought-(IP-Tracing)

Android Dev

@RobotHumans And don't forget Zanna :D

@TheWanderer IT WORKS!

RobotHumans

I'm taking a break on that one at the moment.

Android Dev

This is so cool!

@NathanOsman - I'm not sure you even need to mess with making an HTTP interface

@NathanOsman @TheWanderer --^

NobodyNada

1:39 AM

@RobotHumans Nintendo Entertainment System

RobotHumans

@NobodyNada Yes, but programming for NES. An emulator? On the actual hardware? It's just an odd thing to have as a hobby, so I wondered.

NobodyNada

@RobotHumans I use an emulator (since I don't have a flashcart)

Android Dev

@NobodyNada Do you have to write all the code in assembly?

NobodyNada

@AndroidDev There is a C compiler, but I use assembly

RobotHumans

I own a shirt you need.

"Real men do it in ASM"

NobodyNada

1:43 AM

lol

Nathan Osman

@AndroidDev cool

Android Dev

@NathanOsman Want to give it a try on your end?

Nathan Osman

The only downside is that because it isn't running in a service it will die once you task switch.

@AndroidDev when I get home later.

Android Dev

2:18 AM

Test

Another test

Yet another test...

@NathanOsman Well, I suppose I could try to put it into a service...

This is so cool :D

SmokeDetector

2:50 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: t-rexmuscleadvice.com/enduro-force/ by johndugan91 on askubuntu.com

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Android Dev

3:02 AM

Is it just me, or have we been getting more spam as of late?

Another test...

And another.

Hrrm, that 1/2 worked

And another test sigh

Nope, still only 1/2 works :(

Please work this time....

YAY!

It worked!

Okay, let's see if it works from the backgound...

uh

Ookay, let's try this again

Interesting...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

3:21 AM

0

Q: Ubuntu/GlusterFS: Unable to create thinly provisioned volume from previously created pool using lvcreate

I'm testing out glusterfs, and was following this guide on creating setting up volumes. I ran into an error when trying to create a thinly provisioned volume. This is the section Create a thinly provisioned volume from the previously created pool using the lvcreate command: For exa...

Android Dev

hmmm...

Test

Another test..

NOICE!

Very nice!

YES!

WOOHOO!

@NathanOsman - I've now got it running in a background service, and I'm hearing the audio cues for new messages while the calculator app is open!

cc @TheWanderer --^

No way, it even ran the UI commands while the app was not in the foreground!

Okay, I'm going to bed now :D

Kaz Wolfe

3:49 AM

@NathanOsman: oneplus.net/lab

Seth

4:24 AM

wow, this video sums up American politics

I'm Suddenly Terrified of Government Power!

►

Nathan Osman

4:38 AM

"suddenly"

Pandya

:-)

Zanna

Yeah we still on 66% \o/

Oops, not supposed to say that hides

Seth

@Zanna :/

It's been that bad for years. conflicted about how important it is.

Like, we've tried to improve it, but it kinda ended with people getting carrier away closing stuff, which is worse than a bad accept rate..

Zanna

Yes I agree with you @Seth

Seth

I mean, Super User and Stack Overflow don't have great accept rates either so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Zanna

4:52 AM

When we started doing cleanup it was 65. So I like to imagine it was our efforts to give some love to old questions making a little difference to it, as a nice side effect

Seth

I'm sure it helped a lot :)

Zanna

To me it's kinda just a number, and I understand pretty well why we can't answer all the questions

I wouldn't do the stuff just for that, I have to believe it makes a better site in terms of how useful and awesome it is for people. But still nice to see it haha

Seth

I completely understand.

Zanna

:) :) :)

Seth

Well I should go to bed. Not feeling well again.

Zanna

5:04 AM

Aww take care @Seth

I think I should go back to bed or rather back to sleep since I haven't got out of bed yet

SmokeDetector

6:20 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer: Upgrading to Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS from live USB fails by jycemea on askubuntu.com

Zanna

6:38 AM

@SmokeDetector better?

jokerdino

o.O

Zanna

@jokerdino no?

jokerdino

I don't know what the keyword was.

Zanna

line four in the original

jokerdino

I see

You are against Right to Speech@!!

Zanna

6:44 AM

yes. I print off copies of the declaration of human rights so I can tear them into small pieces and bake them into brownies and feed them to my enemies

Journeyman Geek

o0

jokerdino

O_O

Zanna

or, in actual fact, not...

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

7:06 AM

0

Q: When is an usb device mounted as sdb and when as sdc?

I had a script last week that expected my usb to be sdc, I was using this command usb_path=`lsblk | grep sdc1 | awk '{print $7}'` but then I came back and saw that the stick was empty, because the stick was named sdb. So what does it depend on what name the stick gets? I had no other disk plug...

ubuntu automounting

user136984

Never mind about what I said yesterday night... I've thought about it and decided that it the room, not me.

Rinzwind

7:28 AM

@ParanoidPanda can I offer you some bamboo? :-)

2

user136984

@Rinzwind: That would great! ;)

Rinzwind

There you go :=)

user136984

@Rinzwind: Wow! Yum! Thanks! :D

Rinzwind

if you ever need more just ask >:-D

user136984

They almost look like green carrots! :D

Zanna

7:45 AM

parsnips I was thinking

Rinzwind

nope genuine bamboo shoots!

and hands off @Zanna those are Panda's

1

Q: Where do files rsynced to a host go?

I accidentally rsynced .thunderbird to user@host instead of to user@host:/home/user. Where is .thunderbird now? Is there a good way to search for the folder?

search rsync restore

oops :D

Zanna

@Rinzwind lol I'll keep eating this ginger cake with coconut ice cream then ^_^

Rinzwind

muru again :*

Sigh. removes answer I was about to post — Rinzwind 58 secs ago

Zanna

the other day I had my answer all done and ready to go and the question got deleted :(

Rinzwind

8:09 AM

That's not as bad as muru being quicker :=)

user136984

@Zanna Never mind about this by the way, I ate something that didn't agree with me and took it out on the room. ;)

user136984

Or my strange message before that for that matter.

user136984

Plotting Pandas! I knew it! :D

user136984

-1

Q: AttributeError: module 'pandas' has no attribute 'plotting'

I am using anaconda and I'm unable to import keras, I get a wierd error about pandas not having a plotting attribute, however there is clearly a plotting folder in the pandas folder. please help, I'm confused, stuck and can't do anything else. import os import math import numpy as np import h5py...

python3 anaconda

Zanna

@ParanoidPanda ah ok. I hate it when food argues

user136984

8:19 AM

:D

RobotHumans

probably have to import it explicitly now. version mismatch between keras and pandas.

user136984

It's funny how that sounds so close to "Kira"... :D

jokerdino

8:37 AM

@Zanna looks like there is another answer by the same person?

Zanna

Hmm

Rinzwind

@Zanna still eating cake?

Zanna

@jokerdino thanks for that. pasted my edit, with minor grammar fix.

@Rinzwind walking to station to go to work now. trudge trudge

Hope it was actually the same haha

Zanna

9:45 AM

in The Greenhouse, Apr 7 at 20:35, by Zanna

I feel the same, just give me cake...

Takkat

Now that my last few installations of Ubuntu always needed 5 minutes only I tend to happily recommend a reinstall on all kinds of weird issues.

<-- remembers Windows booting in 6 minutes or more.

user136984

I really love it when it pours down with rain! We had a major rain storm yesterday where for about 10 minutes it was just crashing down on us, we even had a minor flood in our road.

Rinzwind

@takkat Yeah me too. Even though my ssd is old re-install is under 20 minutes. Even that is quick enough for me.

Only issue: the questions related to the installation should have a "save" option. "save" all the options I made during this install so I can load them during the next install.

user136984

I will I had been in my local woodland when it had all come down, that would be an amazing place to see its effects! :)

Takkat

@Rinzwind oooh such a save option would be brilliant!

Rinzwind

9:57 AM

@ParanoidPanda I read that as "I want more bamboo"

user136984

It also means that today all the plants will be extra green and probably have grown a lot which is something that makes them and I quite happy.

user136984

@Rinzwind: Good deciphering skills. :P

Rinzwind