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user136984

9:00 PM

Anyway, anyone can edit those sites.

user136984

Well, all I know is that in England as far as I know it has never had that meaning.

Avery

Not mw or dictionary.com

and if people disagreed on Wikt or wiki, it'd be edited out pretty quickly.

Chan-Ho Suh

yes MW is not editable, and it also does not take a stance as you pointed out -- it also says it's a synonym for "chicken"

RobotHumans

heh

user136984

Wikipedia isn't the world. I've dealt with them before they are generally quite left-wing and would probably hold those silly views.

user136984

9:02 PM

Yes, maybe it had a new meaning in the US, but for us it does literally just mean "chicken". :D

user136984

Get used to it. >:P

Avery

it might be a meaning of that, but still, I told you that I do not enjoy the word in general due to previous derogatory use of that towards me, and you're calling me a troll.

RobotHumans

now we can have the british english is the right english discussion if people are feeling froggy

user136984

I always say anyway, words don't matter, it's the intention and meaning behind them, especially so with words that can have multiple meanings.

RobotHumans

also, i called nobody a troll.

user136984

9:03 PM

@RobotHumans: You bloody frog! >;P

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Avery

you implied it

Chan-Ho Suh

anyway, I'm not trying to pour gasoline on the fire here. I think it's important to recognize not everyone has the same lexicon of meanings and if a difference arises, you can educate them as to your view, but you can't generally require people to give profuse apologies

RobotHumans

^^ this, and i did say sure. fine. won't use it if it hurts your feels.

multiple times

user136984

@Avery Then that is your issue that you should deal with, external things can never truly be controlled and thus you will never be happy with it. Also the external things have no obligation to change, in fact they are not really helping you if they do.

user136984

@Chan-HoSuh I'm adding rocket fuel! >:D

Avery

9:07 PM

@ParanoidPanda if I flagged it or fought with him, it'd be my problem. I asked him kindly not to.

RobotHumans

And I agreed. And we're still talking about after I took the time to walk the dog and it did its business.

Seth

wow are we still going on about this? sheesh people.

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RobotHumans

Anywhoo. @Chan-HoSuh thoughts on python bot platforms for forex?

user136984

@Avery: There is a general rule for telling if something is your problem or someone else's, basically if your happiness depends on an external state changing or staying in a certain way then it is your problem and you will never truly be happy because you will never truly be able to control anything external to you. You can only be free once you realise that all problems are internal to you and your attachment.

user136984

@Seth: And now we are even getting to the meaning of life. ;D

Chan-Ho Suh

9:09 PM

@RobotHumans not really -- except that if you get serious about it, the data quality is a big issue and you might want to get data from vendors like Bloomberg. They have a decent Python API.

Seth

@ParanoidPanda I thought Deep Thought solved that one? :P

RobotHumans

@Chan-HoSuh Thanks for the tip man. Any discords or whatever you are aware of that discuss that sort of thing?

@Seth It just keeps getting more efficient at Go. They started calling it master after it's last rewrite.

user136984

@Seth: No, that was a different computer I designed which would which was unfortunately destroyed to make way for a hyper space bypass.

Chan-Ho Suh

@RobotHumans unfortunately no. The little I am aware of, I pick up through my work.

RobotHumans

and I'm not kidding. I watched 6 hours for 2 matches to watch its current excursions in to ripping people apart on ght Go board

Seth

9:11 PM

@RobotHumans Wow, did they? I was actually referring to HHGTTG though ;p

RobotHumans

@Seth sorry, deepmind not deep thought.

Seth

Something is wrong when you call a computer "master" nervous laughter

@RobotHumans Ah. I knew what you meant, although I had completely forgotten what Google named that computer

RobotHumans

Yeah. Evidently it's pretty slick. static 30-45 second tree search times now. it's beautiful. Oddly, I don't think the human player got the compliment I saw come out of Google. They said that alphago/master actually said he played the first 50 moves perfectly. What does it take for the machine that beats you twice in a row to say you did something perfectly?

Seth

@RobotHumans haha, bittersweet I'm sure

RobotHumans

^^ but that won't get a star. too cerebral.

Chan-Ho Suh

9:16 PM

if you think about the number of games AlphaGo has played, including against versions of itself, it is way past humans on the evolutionary scale

this reinforcement learning stuff is like genetic algorithms on steroids

user136984

Fun

RobotHumans

If a supercomputer beats me at anything, but then says "the first half of your game was perfect. the second half not so much. but you realized it was over and forfeit when people were calling it a draw". I would take it as the highest form of compliment.

@Chan-HoSuh That is so very true.

I'm waiting for them to cut their teeth on international markets or announce that they never will

Chan-Ho Suh

I think it's only a matter of time before they develop more powerful AI to help fight terrorism. And then it's gonna get really weird when people are detained/imprisoned for reasons humans don't understand.

RobotHumans

When it gets there, I expect it will be walled at detained.

Chan-Ho Suh

Even if so, that's not the real danger. The real danger is when humans start trusting AI to make important decisions without needing to understand them

And at the moment, that might seem implausible, but fear has a way of overcoming rationality.

RobotHumans

9:21 PM

I had this exact conversation in another room a while ago. "You wrote it, how can you not understand what it's doing" -- "Clearly you need to read up on high number of input scoring systems"

Chan-Ho Suh

I guess, fear and greed.

RobotHumans

I was the second guy. And yes.

Chan-Ho Suh

There are supposedly some systems like that run by some hedge funds now... they take in a variety of sources from newspapers, economic releases, etc and come to strange conclusions the human managers don't understand

but they go and put down some millions on it anyway ;)

user136984

There is no logical reason for the AI to just suddenly become destructive like us because we are actually quite illogical in that way, or rather it would follow a different and more specific social survival logic rather than that of a new AI being born into this world. So the only real problem would come about is if we designed it in our own image and probably for military purposes, which unfortunately, we probably will.

user136984

We already know how to make babies that are built and done properly, why try to do it ourselves from scratch? Playing god never ended up very well in the movies... I'd take a few lessons from that.

RobotHumans

9:26 PM

@ParanoidPanda Until we make an accidental collision in their profit matrix that involves us not being there. note to self, never tell an algo to be self preserving

Chan-Ho Suh

well one form of danger comes from augmented human intelligence

RobotHumans

@Chan-HoSuh that i have also heard

@Chan-HoSuh i think it's quite the opposite actually. Elon is actually arguing IN that direction, and I agree with him.

Chan-Ho Suh

augmented humans would be destructive, presumably, because they are still human. But they would be super-intelligent compared to normal humans and so there is a danger in that, if there is an imbalance in who gets the technology. Well, Elon Musk seems more worried about the non-human intelligence aspect.

RobotHumans

yeah. he's worried about taking the human switch out

Chan-Ho Suh

Elon is a busy guy

he's worried about traffic in LA, traveling to mars, and fighting sentient machines

RobotHumans

9:30 PM

hah. fair enough

Chan-Ho Suh

maybe these are just aspects of the same problem...

RobotHumans

no. when you don't need money any more, you just start trying to solve harder problems. he's trying to keep his mind busy i think

Chan-Ho Suh

maybe it sounds a bit strange, but I have become a fan of his recently

RobotHumans

i was a fan when they reverse landed a rocket on a moving platform. it took at least one crazy person and at least one smart person to make that work.