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12:00 AM
so... 200 votes on questions.
 
I was off by one vote
190 today
but 245 on U&L, happeh
and in pain
 
@KazWolfe >_>
 
@JourneymanGeek ye?
 
Yeah ;p
though I admit I didn't actually expect to use aibobot as much as I did
 
Also at the moment aibobot is kinda unique
 
@JourneymanGeek how so?
because its parent is a mod?
 
Actually, no. There's someone on another site who has a known sock, both accounts are 10K
@KazWolfe I use it mainly to get on SE from untrusted systems
 
12:36 AM
new computer, new glasses, new filling in my tooth, I am like a new man...
 
In case anyone is interested... Since three of the four deleted answers on this post were attempts to fix an error in the accepted answer (which is now fixed), I doubt this will continue attracting many non-answers, so I'm unprotecting it. (It was protected automatically by the Community bot.) It can of course always be reprotected again later if necessary.
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Q: How to install TP-LINK Archer T4U driver?

HDGAMERI bought the wireless adapter to use with a computer without internet access but I can't figure out how to install it with just a USB with the driver on it. I've read a few articles on how to install the driver but they all require me to have internet access and I don't have internet. I'm complet...

 
@EliahKagan Shouldn't OP make command corrections? I mean, it's fine, it works, but doesn't the site have a pseudo-policy against altering commands for OP?
 
I do not believe we have the same policy about code edits here as on Stack Overflow.
 
hm, that should probably be a meta.
 
12:55 AM
You should feel free to post. I've never seen that policy expressed for this site, and can't think of any reasons it would apply -- this isn't a programming site, and typically code is no more important than the non-code parts of an answer. I see many code edits, including some on my own posts, and as long as they're really needed, I've never heard it suggested as a problem (until now, I suppose). I believe it is also common to add new code to a post, e.g., commands for a new Ubuntu release.
 
yeah, i'll put it on meta and throw my own policy.
 
Sounds good.
 
1:18 AM
by the way, the beat the average price for RUST is a hell of a deal...
 
Why should I buy Rust when I can throw my old bare metal outside? :p
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix good point, but I have no old bare metal so I bought RUST...
 
I don't have any bare metal either... but I've seen many posts about "bare metal" talking about tests or stripped down software.... so it was kind of a joke ;)
 
yeah I got it
 
Well Chelsea Manning is getting out of jail... Maybe if all prisoners claimed LGBT they'll get early release too...LOL
 
1:24 AM
really? that works?
 
I guess you don't know who Bradley Manning is / was.... I remember some idiot said if Ia guy faked being gay in Canada he would get custody of his kids in a divorce. At the time I thought he was nuts. Now I'm thinking....
Russia's foreign minister today (Lavrov) said we (nato countries) are living in post-christian era which I've never heard of before. I call it the atheist religion but anyway they don't want our life style.
I'm thinking of posting my first bug report but not entirely sure how to go about it. I don't want to mess it up. Any pointers?
 
okies...just a sec
 
@ParanoidPanda a rogue AI has answered your question: askubuntu.com/questions/795639/java-obfuscator/873139#873139
 
@KazWolfe That looks painful... might be easier to download kernel source code.
 
1:30 AM
[Insert conspiracy theory here]
 
^^^ appropriate for paranoid pandas. :)
 
Paranoid Panda is our resident tinfoil hat specialist :D
 
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Q: What is our site policy on code/command edits?

Kaz WolfeDoes this site have any sort of canonical policy regarding command/code edits? Or, more exactly, when proposing an edit to code or a command (or just directly editing it as per 2k privileges), where do we draw the line for editing code? Basic typos? Major revisions?

 
You know tinfoil made of lead sheilds you but tinfoil made of aluminum is like an amplifier... just saying...
 
Yes, but handling a lot of lead can be toxic.
So it's a bit of a lose-lose situation there :P
 
1:35 AM
Trump can't pardon Manning yet.
 
He just did.
At least according to Al-Jazeera (Doha) and Russia Today (Moscow). I don't recommend CNN anymore.
 
Perhaps trump will pardon Snowden too.
And actually mean it. Since Snowden is actually an American hero. Just most Americans don't know that.
 
@NathanOsman I wonder if they banned lead paint in Canada about the same time they started spying on us. They said kids might eat lead paint and get lead poisoning. I bet lead painted walls would keep wifi inside my apartment and they wouldn't like that :p
 
Meh. I use Ethernet around the house.
WiFi is so unreliable I don't even bother.
 
Snowden isn't actually in prison and doesn't need a pardon. I know he offered to go to Germany to testify on Angela Merkyls phone sphing if he could be guarranteed not be extradited to US so I guess he does want to travel a bit outside of Russia. Still he's better off than most people.
 
1:40 AM
Let him set foot on US soil and we'll see if he needs a pardon... :P
 
Right. He might not be in prison but I garuntee if he stepped foot into the us they would be on him like flies on stink.
 
^--- what I just said
 
@NathanOsman Yeah I have blue cable too. WiFi is saturated by neighbours and doen't work for me. It's not reliable.
 
@NathanOsman whoops didn't see your comment.
 
Even if it worked perfectly, it would be limited to about 400-500 Mbps. I can get gigabit with Ethernet.
 
1:41 AM
I think Snowden only confirm what some of us knew and probably many of us suspected / feared.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix you need a night hawk.
@WinEunuuchs2Unix confirmed and brought it to the general publics vision.
 
Is this a setup for me to ask "What's a night hawk?"
 
It's a person who codes at night in AWK programming language
 
Awk-Kay now I see :p
(in the dark)
 
No nighthawk is a really awesome line of routers from Netgear.
 
1:44 AM
That got a little awkward
 
you all make no sense.
 
@NathanOsman is a big fan too.
 
@KazWolfe no-one said making sense is a requirement for thins room
*this
 
@TheXed of what?
Oh, Netgear.
Yeah, works well enough.
 
My laptop only has a Cat 5 Ethernet 10/100 Mbps card in it anyway. WiFi is Intel 6630 or something like that...not AC just b/g/n or something like that.
Besides ISP is throttled at 15 Mbps on my plan.
Thing is Ethernet is always 15 Mbps but WiFi can drop below 1 on a bad day.
Odd time you have to power off the router to flush the DNS but that's only every 3 months or so.
 
1:50 AM
Yeah, gigabit is only useful if your network cards and router support it.
I only have three devices on the network with this capability - my desktop, Mac Mini, and NAS.
Everything else is 100 Mbps.
 
When I was younger I was super-keen on reading up on faster speeds and larger sizes. You know that 8 Mhz CPU became 12 Mhz with turbo switch. You could break 640KB ram barrier with AST 6-pack. The 80286 (aka AT) came out. Got all hyped up buying 150 MB SCSI drives the size of a loaf of bread running in RAID 1 for a client. Then 80386 came out, etc.... Now I just smile and nod my head when they talk about new chipsets and platforms.
In reality now days I'd just be happy to figure out the 3 different programs stopping my fan from working on my laptop... or the 5 different programs suspending my laptop twice.... for me it's the myriad of software that's more important to learn than the GHz, Terabytes, etc.
BTW finally got 17.04 Live boot USB to work... In 16.04 I had screen tearing in videos to fix... In 17.04 there is screen tearing when you grab a window and move it....LMAO.
 
8MHz??? OMG!
so fast
sanic fast
 
silly willy... that was the original speed of IBM PC.
Mainframes were faster back then of course... but a little bit larger :p
 
I still think Windows XP had some ridiculously low sysreqs
 
I'm not sure what you mean.... not IRQs right?
 
2:03 AM
system requirements
not requests :p
it was like a 400MHz processor or something, 128MB RAM, 640x480 screen
I think 3GB of harddrive space, which is actually a lot compared to the rest
oh wow
> The minimum hardware requirements for Windows XP Home Edition are:

Pentium 233-megahertz (MHz) processor or faster (300 MHz is recommended)
At least 64 megabytes (MB) of RAM (128 MB is recommended)
At least 1.5 gigabytes (GB) of available space on the hard disk
I was doubling everything lol
and to think, people still use it
an OS from 2001 designed to work on hardware from 1995
 
lol
@Zacharee1 getting it actually usable though
is tricky
 
I was lucky enough to have Dell and other computers with internet access
so drivers were a hassle, but not hard
 
I have a XP box currently setup and there's a lot of modern stuff that dosen't work well
and I kinda broke it
and lenovo seem to have 'lost' the driver matrix page for that model
 
lol
well it is a few years out of support ya know
13 year lifespan
that has to be a record
 
(installing drivers broke pci.sys. I ended up replacing it with the broken file from another box)
Yup
 
2:07 AM
lol
 
Funny I missed the Windows XP thingy.... I had a "fog" and went from Windows 3.11 for work groups (in 1995) to Windows Vista (in 2007). I can't remember what happened in between :( I think I missed out on Windows NT as well.
 
Though some folk run updates meant for POSready2009
No one ran NT or 2k at home
 
I don't like how drivers work on Windows, and I kind of wish it did something like Linux where it has generic drivers, but Windows 7 really made the situation better.
 
lol
I rarely have to manually install drivers in 10
 
I was literally amazed at how it already had my network and video drivers
and then the rest it just automatically installed
 
2:09 AM
this specific box.... I'm still hunting down drivers
 
instead of that annoying "Found new Hardware" wizard
@JourneymanGeek put 7 on it
 
@Zacharee1 that box dualboots linux right now
 
good nuff
but Windows 7 is still MS's best OS IMO
 
In theory, the box could run 10 with more ram
 
@JourneymanGeek I knew people that did (at home).
 
2:11 AM
and I've used 3.11 (on my iPad btw), 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP, 7, 8, 8.1, 10
 
I ran 2k after its heyday on older hardware
 
I liked 2000's login sound
so fancy
 
(was an upgrade from 98, and cough back then I had a cough lot more flexibility on software piracy)
 
hue
 
Win2k was really solid stability-wise.
@Zacharee1 hew
 
2:12 AM
I liked it, except for that star menu
shudders
it was so confusing
When I first got Windows 7 and I still had XP machines, I got used to the search function in 7 and kept trying to use it in XP
 
Yeah, Win7 had the best start menu of any edition.
 
@NathanOsman Windows 7 has the best UI
schmexy aero
 
Yas.
 
Oh right I did use Windows 98 and then Windows Vista... how could I forget good ole 98 :)
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix yuck, Vista
 
2:15 AM
@Zacharee1 yeah, that's a thing
 
it may have had Aero, but it was only semi-Aero and that couldn't redeem it
 
TBH I rarely buy OSes, I just use whatever came with
 
But it has the Aero windows.... and the dual core Intel Centrino with 4 CPU's when it's really dual core :D
 
wat
 
I have a total of one system I upgraded (7 from XP) and 2 systems where I used a MSDNAA key
@WinEunuuchs2Unix what?
 
2:16 AM
@JourneymanGeek 7 to XP??
 
I went 98 to Vista.
 
@Zacharee1 other way around
 
hue
@NathanOsman wai tho
 
@JourneymanGeek The Windows Vista came on the Toshiba Satellite Intel Centrino dual core T7 5570 whatever.
 
2:17 AM
@Zacharee1 because that's what came on the new computer.
 
> the dual core Intel Centrino with 4 CPU's when it's really dual core
 
yuckyuckyuck
 
That one had a Centrino Duo.
 
@JourneymanGeek In Conky it shows CPU1 to CPU4 but it's only a dual core.
It's like a bonus!
 
The taskbar on Vista was kind of cool, but the weird sort-of-separate sidebar for gadgets, the ironically insecure security features, and the other wtf things...
 
2:17 AM
Because Intel hyperthreading! \o/
 
how does HT work exactly
 
Hamsters.
 
is it just like using one core as two?
 
@Zacharee1 some of the components are duplicated
but not all
 
Yes I know it's hyper-threading.... I just posted that answer tonight to someone else.
 
2:18 AM
Hamsters you say?
 
@GeorgetheDev what is hyperthreading?
 
Hyper-threading (officially called Hyper-Threading Technology or HT Technology, and abbreviated as HTT or HT) is Intel's proprietary simultaneous multithreading (SMT) implementation used to improve parallelization of computations (doing multiple tasks at once) performed on x86 microprocessors. It first appeared in February 2002 on Xeon server processors and in November 2002 on Pentium 4 desktop CPUs. Later, Intel included this technology in Itanium, Atom, and Core 'i' Series CPUs, among others. For each processor core that is physically present, the operating system addresses two virtual (logical...
 
There.
 
@JourneymanGeek so it's like a 2.(5*2) core
 
@Zacharee1 practically, you add the 50% of thing that does 80% of the work ;p
 
2:19 AM
heh
 
quad core see ^^^
 
yehs
but basically 8 core
except not as efficient :D
 
hyper-threading
gives you more bar graphs :D
 
3.4GHZ o_O
 
I'm hoping to get two 12-core Xeons for my next build.
We'll see how the budget goes... :D
 
2:20 AM
I miss my Win7 gadgets :(
@NathanOsman pls
 
It's really 2.4 Ghz with turbo boost
 
@GeorgetheDev what is turbo boost?
 
Intel Turbo Boost is a technology implemented by Intel in certain versions of its processors that enables the processor to run above its base operating frequency via dynamic control of the processor's clock rate. Processor generations supporting this feature are based on the Nehalem (Turbo Boost 1.0), Sandy Bridge (Turbo Boost 2.0), Ivy Bridge, Haswell, Broadwell, Skylake and Broadwell-E (Intel Turbo Boost Max 3.0) microarchitectures, while the examples of Turbo-Boost-enabled processors are the Core i5 and Core i7 series. Turbo Boost is activated when the operating system requests the highe...
 
I love doing that :)
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Turbo Boost goes 1GHz higher?
@GeorgetheDev what is ur mum?
 
2:21 AM
A maternal insult (also referred to as a "yo mama" joke) is a reference to a person's mother through the use of phrases such as "your mother" or other regional variants, frequently used to insult the target by way of their mother. Used as an insult, "your mother ..." preys on widespread sentiments of filial piety, making the insult particularly and globally offensive. "Your mother" can be combined with most types of insults, although suggestions of promiscuity are particularly common. Insults based on obesity, incest, age, race, poverty, poor hygiene, unattractiveness, or stupidity may also be...
 
omg
 
@Zacharee1 Mine does....look at the temp though :p
 
What the...
Okay. Stop.
Please use the sandbox.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix o_O
@NathanOsman hey, you did most of it
I wanted to break it
 
For legitimate purpose.
 
2:22 AM
but alas
 
stop what... and what sand box?
 
@Zacharee1 Break it in the sandbox.

Sandbox

Where you can play with chat features (except flagging) and ch...
 
not found
url scrub
 
Fixed.
@Zacharee1 need moar patients
 
wut
 
2:23 AM
You need more patience.
 
your link says "Page not found".
 
@NathanOsman iz ded
 
"If at first you don't succeed, try pasting the link again."
 
hue
 
I still don't understand what a sandbox is and what got you riled.
 
2:24 AM
sandbox is for chat experiments
 
what experiments were happening that I missed?
 
the GeorgeTheDev pings
you were right there
 
oh the copy and pastes from wiki... you mean that was a robot?
 
so it's 7:25 PM. I'm at the right classroom. But neither professor nor students are here
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix sigh
 
2:26 AM
it's the wrong day Serg, come back tomorrow.
 
@Serg ah yes, the classroom anxiety
 
Aaand they show up just after i sent last message
oh the irony
 
hue
 
what is "hue"?
 
hue
 
2:28 AM
true
but what do you mean by it?
 
huey lewis and the news?
HUEY DUEY AND LUEY?
Why would I ever click on a link "out of the loop" what would the NSA think of me? :p
Now they think my internet footprints are cool... I can't let the NSA down!
 
On the new computer...
 
@TheXed Xeon?
 
last week a new camera with dead battery... today a new computer with... ????
 
2:33 AM
7th Gen i7
@WinEunuuchs2Unix with no OS installed :-P
 
I have 3rd gen i7... I used to be proud of it until you said there was a seventh :p
 
Lol...this thing is so fast, I have become the bottle neck...
 
I'll snail-mail you my Ubuntu 17.04 alpha USB boot.... then you can have an OS.
 
I just installed Windows 10...in 5 minutes...literally...
working on drivers now...
 
I just installed Windows 8.1 in 4 years.... really.
 
2:36 AM
Stupid me didn't put an optical disc drive in...installing drivers via external USB drive
 
lol
... does anyone use optical drives for installs any more?
I do all my installs from rufus (on windows, sorry)
 
@JourneymanGeek only because I don't want to search the internet for drivers...
 
@TheXed I mean, I use USB drives for everything
 
@JourneymanGeek I used to boot from dvd , until I fixed USB boot 2 days ago: askubuntu.com/questions/870452/…
 
though I usually throw out driver installers and get the latest/oem/odm drivers
 
2:37 AM
@JourneymanGeek I would normally use USB too, but I am starting from scratch...
 
I think Nathan wants you to put your picture in a sandbox but I"m not sure.
because it looks like a "chat experiment".
 
whoops that wasn't even the right HD...
@WinEunuuchs2Unix what?
 
Don't make me scroll up
 
Here we go...
 
further...
farther....
 
2:43 AM
Oh that...
@WinEunuuchs2Unix look here....
 
You know Trump's trade war threats against China for currency devaluation is so George Bush era....we need new talking points.
 
Like computers
 
@TheXed Don't look there....look up 5 lines where it says "Disk (18)" my favorite number!
 
@JourneymanGeek The head of the CIA says Trump should stop using Twitter but today Trump said he would keep using Twitter. I remember Obama gave up his Blackberrry on advice of SS.
 
2:49 AM
hm, have I said politics bores me before?
Yeah, pretty sure I did
 
Eww. Dell...
 
You mean my Dell?
 
@TheXed what would you prefer, HP?
 
HUE
 
what does HUE mean?
 
2:49 AM
@ThomasWard HP Probook Elite, or Lenovo Thinkpad.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I gave you a link
 
IBM Thinkpad was pretty cool back in the day.
 
lol
@WinEunuuchs2Unix my current spare machine is the last IBM thinkpad ever.
 
My Ubuntu laptop is a Lenovo Thinkpad...
 
@Zacharee1 If you keep saying "HUE" but don't know what it means and can only google it and paste a link, that's not my problem.
 
2:51 AM
Nvidia graphics.
Yuck.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I know what it means, but if you wanna know, you gotta work for it :p
 
My Work computer is a HP Probook Elite...
 
@TheXed fair enough. I've used all of those and they're pretty nice.
 
@NathanOsman it's like PHP, except not as bad: no alternatives
 
@Seth and this desktop I have not yet named....
 
2:52 AM
AMD has much better support.
 
@NathanOsman Intel CPU with AMD graphics?
I mean I guess you can do that..
 
@NathanOsman lol
 
@JourneymanGeek I had a 4 grand IBM Thinkpad with no questions asked return warrantee that I dropped 3 feet on to Edmonton International Airport Concrete Floor and returned. it "was" a great laptop.
@Zacharee1 The thought of "work" and "chat room" just don't seem to jive after five beers.
 
Oh goodie, I'm going to read 12k comments.... see you next year!
 
2:56 AM
lol
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix I miss old IBM's warranties
 
I miss old IBM. I was the only one chastised for buying it instead of Compaq.
Had to go to VP.
 
IBM was awesome back in the day.
 
At the end of the day IBM outlived Compaq though :p
 
IBM was the only thing back in the day lol
 
3:02 AM
Displaywrite wasn't as good as Word Perfect though.
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix HP bought Compaq, Lenovo bought IBM's consumer division, they're probably part of the same supercorp
 
And OS/2 wasn't as good as Windows...or at least the mareketing theft wasn't as good. Bill Gates was an excellent theif.
 
@Zacharee1 lenovo bought their x86 server division too
 
hue
 
is hue same as HUE?
 
3:03 AM
@WinEunuuchs2Unix Not as good as Steve Jobs though.
 
You know the marines say "HUEY"
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix they say HUA which means heard understood and acknowledged
 
Steve Jobs was too bright for his own good.
 
Oh boy...
 
Don't get us started...
 
3:04 AM
@Videonauth 10-4
 
I aspire to be an ass like Steve Jobs...
I am not doing well...
 
that sounds ominous... care to elaborate?
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix as hard as I try to be an ass...I just can't...
 
I knew more before you elaborated :P
 
@TheXed Talk to Kaz
 
3:06 AM
senses secret society where he is clueless
Samsung is under the courts' microscope today. I had a Samsung laptop once. I think we should let them off and let Korea get back to business. Throw the president in jail though.
Supreme leader needs to shed a few pounds but he's basically ok... although I don't agree with Sweden or Switzerland or wherever he was educated would have been my first choice.
^^^ kidle_inject strikes again!
 
3:21 AM
What is kidle_inject?
 
Intel's powerclamp.
 
You have an octo-core cpu?
 
When CPU's get too hot it inject idle states
 
or is that a server?
 
quad core i7
 
3:22 AM
then why 8 cpus?
 
intel CPU's can by hyper threaded. So quad core is 8 cpus, dual core are 4 cpus
my cell phone is 8 core though.
 
Oh yeah, I always forget about hyper threading...
 
8 core cell phone can make great hand warmer in the winter!
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A: Sensor identification

WinEunuuchs2UnixFrom (tomshardware.com - Is Intel i5 Dual Core or Quad Core?) you get this answer: i5-750 is a quad core, all other i5s are dual cores, albeit with hyperthreading. That answer is from 2010 but you get the point. All i7's are definitely quad core. The next answer on the same link goes on ...

 
my phone is hexacore, it too gets very warm...
 
3:47 AM
Kind of embarrassing but I have to boot Windows 8.1 because I don't know how to turn my fan on when Kernel > 3.2. Night Owls :)
 
@WinEunuuchs2Unix just unplug it...
Oh wait it is a laptop
 

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