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@ByteCommander I dont think OP understands why he needs to avoid open() . . . .people in the comments of the last question seemed to tell him to use it or something . . .i dunno . . .

Byte Commander

12:10 PM

@Serg But if there's no reason to avoid open() - well, then there's just no reason to avoid open()!

berserk

I never get to eat proper filled donuts.

Just a little bit cream filled.

I want full creamy ones :3

KGIII

Diabetic or something?

berserk

no lol

Serg

@ByteCommander I don't know python . . .and i don't know what OP wants . . . but i suspect he is trying to get at something after that other question

berserk

Just never get such donuts here

KGIII

12:12 PM

Oh! That's horrible!

I'm pretty sure that's against at least several UN regulations, specifically torture and other abuses.

Cruel and unusual.

berserk

lol

Serg

I think my translator girl didn't expect me to translate as far as i got and as soon as i got .. . .

KGIII

Nice.

Serg

Typical me: wait until the last minute, freak out, do 70% of stuff . . .go insane . . . get 3 hours of sleep . . . repeat

KGIII

It's Dennis Ritchie! LOL

Serg

12:18 PM

YAS !!!!

The father of C

im not worthy

KGIII

Me either. :(

At around 16 minutes you can hear the computer running in the background. It was loud. :D

Serg

OK, i have send back the 3/4 of the translation to my translator lady

I'm gonna go off to bed

Byte Commander

Sleep well!

blade19899

Did a mayor cleanup on a 3 years old Q/A. Looks slightly better.

berserk

Good night :)

KGIII

12:25 PM

G'night @Serg.

I too should crash soon. It will be a while, however.

Serg

@ByteCommander @KGIII thanks folks, adios !

KGIII

Buenos noches.

Byte Commander

@KGIII You don't really master foreign languages, do you? ;-) It's "Buenas noches"

KGIII

Dude, I can barely speak English. :D

Byte Commander

Because "la noche" is female.

Is that ironically or isn't English your first language?

KGIII

12:28 PM

You should hear me butcher it vocally! :P

English is, sadly, my first language.

Byte Commander

:)

KGIII

Actually, I speak Spanish fairly well but I have no idea how it is spelled. I've had no formal study. I can communicate in Mexico and most of South America well enough but that is just from having been there often and having spent enough time in Latino communities.

Unless you want to count a year of Spanish in high school some number of years ago.

Oli

@AvinashRaj Re my SO-Python question, they're not Strings, that's just a repl of real objects to show what's happening.

KGIII

I'd guess that would have been around 1973. ;-) I don't remember a bit of it.

Byte Commander

@KGIII That explains it. My last Spanish classes were just about 2.5 years ago...

KGIII

12:35 PM

Also, the Spanish we learned had absolutely nothing to do with the Spanish spoken south of the US border. :/

Hmm... Mi estudia Espanole en escuala... LOL Yeah, it was a long, long time ago. My brain has been filled up a few times since and that stuff has just leaked out. But I can survive well enough when I travel in that area. I usually have to ask people to slow down for the first week or so but then I pick up the speed.

It being high school, well, I'd not really consider it very formal. I managed to score well enough to pass but I don't recall it being an exceptional score - I dare say it was likely somewhere near average.

Byte Commander

That's at least enough to survive if somebody drops you in Mexico or Spain! :D

KGIII

Hmm... Mi necito una cervasa por favor. Gracias!

Byte Commander

LOL, this question is about how to open a file in Python without "open()", and 2/3 answers just tell the OP to use "open()" (one of them is mine). And both of them have higher scores (one is even accepted) thatn the one that actually answers the question! >:D

--> askubuntu.com/q/701477/367990

KGIII

Whilst I no longer drink, that line has come in handy many times.

Byte Commander

Es una cerveza!

KGIII

12:41 PM

Gracias!

Byte Commander

¡De nada!

KGIII

No clue how to spell any of it. If I had to spell it, I'd... Well, I'd use an online translator and show them the results on my phone or tablet.

Byte Commander

Hoping to have a mobile connection...

I still prefer the dead-tree version of a dictionary for real-life.

KGIII

I have patience and will make due until then unless some strange alien creature comes down, scoops me up for a good anal probing (not sure why aliens would come all the way here to probe our butts), and then drops me back off in the wrong country because he messed up the coordinates.

But hey, I'll be able to order a beer. :D

kos

I just nuked /etc/skel. :(

Byte Commander

12:50 PM

@KGIII You're also from that alien-with-tentacles-affine generation like @Fabby? o.O

I'll never understand that...

KGIII

No, no... That's not really my thing.

Stefano Palazzo

@kos I think you can "apt-get install --reinstall base-files"

but maybe check the package first, I'm not 100% sure what's in there

Byte Commander

$ ll /etc/skel
total 40
drwxr-xr-x   2 root root  4096 Okt 21 18:01 ./
drwxr-xr-x 152 root root 12288 Nov 23 09:57 ../
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   220 Sep  1 01:27 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  3771 Sep  1 01:27 .bashrc
-rw-r--r--   1 root root  8980 Okt  4  2013 examples.desktop
-rw-r--r--   1 root root   675 Sep  1 01:27 .profile

Actually there are only those 4 files in /etc/skel

Stefano Palazzo

@ByteCommander that looks normal

sorry, I thought you had asked about it :P

KGIII

Mine does not have an examples.desktop in it.

Stefano Palazzo

12:56 PM

apparently though the files are put there by the bash package

KGIII

$ ll /etc/skel
total 28
drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4096 Oct 21 11:48 ./
drwxr-xr-x 162 root root 12288 Nov 23 05:52 ../
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 220 Aug 31 19:27 .bash_logout
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 3771 Aug 31 19:27 .bashrc
-rw-r--r-- 1 root root 675 Aug 31 19:27 .profile

cl-netbox

@StefanoPalazzo Hi Stefano - how are you ? Did you have a nice weekend ? :)

Stefano Palazzo

hi :)

yeah not too bad

first snow

cl-netbox

here as well

but not much

KGIII

Hmm... Are you folks in New England area?

cl-netbox

12:58 PM

no from Germany

Stefano Palazzo

Berlin (:

KGIII

Heh. They got snow in Maine, USA (and in my current location - Buffalo, NY) last night too.

cl-netbox

me deepest SW

kos

@StefanoPalazzo Thanks! That's it. The weirdness is I reinstalled it as you suggested but no file was copied to /etc/skel. No idea why, I'll just copy them from the source package.

KGIII

I've a camera that points out across the lawn so I can see the fresh snow. It wasn't much, maybe 2-4 cm it looks like.

Fabby

1:00 PM

@ByteCommander I am a tentacled alien

KGIII

Every time I see tentacled alien, I think of Japan's cartoons. :/

Stefano Palazzo

cool

I bet winter in new england is much nicer than the grey sludge we get

berlin.de/webcams/_img/webcam/alex24.mp4

KGIII

@StefanoPalazzo It is absolutely beautiful. Last year we got somewhere around 2.5 meters of snow where I live. Probably closer to 3 meters.

This is down in the village. There's no snow there yet. I live up on a mountain, north west of here: rangeleymaine.com/webcams

I am not home and probably won't get home much before spring at the rate I'm going.

Once you get up into the mountains there's snow, however. :D So, there's that. There is actually more snow here in Buffalo but that's lake effect snow. Buffalo is on the Great Lakes.

Stefano Palazzo

looks beautiful

KGIII

My house is about 24 miles NW of that location. :D It's wonderful. You should see it in autumn. It's vibrant.

The foliage season is something to behold. It's one of the big draws, people come from all over the world to see it. It's one of the many reasons that I chose to retire there.

Anyhow, I need to get a couple of hours of sleep. It's 0810 and I need to be awake at 1100 to be at an appointment for 1300. So, I shall return before I take off or not long after I get back. If all goes well, I'm able to be on the road again tomorrow morning or Friday morning.

G'night @all.

xiaodongjie

1:12 PM

@cl-netbox thank you.

Anonymous

@Mateo thank you for the link. Did I get an old version of git because 14 is lts right now?

Oli

@HunterStevens Yes. LTS users are on 1.9.1 while the latest upstream version is 2.6.3.

There are stable update versions made available though: launchpad.net/~git-core/+archive/ubuntu/ppa

Anonymous

@Oli Thank you

Anonymous

Are there any stability issues with the latest 15.10? (W I think?)

Oli

@HunterStevens Impossible to say without actually testing it on real hardware. If it's a production system, I'd still recommend the LTS if only because you get 5 years without having to upgrade (rather than 9 months)

I have both 14.04 and 15.10 systems. They're both fine on my hardware.

Anonymous

1:28 PM

@Oli I am using xubuntu in a VM on my personal computer

Shadow Wizard

1:47 PM

in Shadow's Den on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 3 mins ago, by UNICYCLEZ R DE BEST IN DE HERE

Tell them from me thanks for the AU answer

2

berserk

lol I was about to post

Shadow Wizard

I am faster

berserk

ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Shadow Wizard

People here are silent

hbdgaf

Not really. I spoke in stars a couple of times since you've been here.

A.B.

1:59 PM

@Serg something for you? askubuntu.com/q/701515/367165

hbdgaf

@ShadowWizard Midday to afternoon EDT is the best time to find people chatting here. Or late night EDT... like 2-3 AM. I think there's an India presence, and their afternoon/evening is probably that time, so it lines up nicely.

A.B.

@Serg and after that, this Q: askubuntu.com/q/701500/367165 =)

cl-netbox

@xiaodongjie you're welcome :)

hbdgaf

@A.B. Don't forward questions with typos in the title please. If it's important enough to call in someone, then it's important enough to fix the typo.

2

Shadow Wizard

@hbdgaf cool, will keep that in mind!

berserk

2:04 PM

when I came here, there were many people talking, and very helpful :)

Shadow Wizard

@UNI you can get pings while suspended?

berserk

in Shadow's Den on Meta Stack Exchange Chat, 59 secs ago, by UNICYCLEZ R DE BEST IN DE HERE

@Sha yes I can

hbdgaf

@berserk Most of the people here try to be helpful.

berserk

@ShadowWizard I WIN THIZ TIMEZ! ლ(ಠ益ಠლ)

Shadow Wizard

lol

hbdgaf

2:06 PM

So you got node upgraded?

berserk

lol yeah on it

Actually I am certain I downloaded latest

Shadow Wizard

wondering if people here are cruel enough to ping attack @UNI while he can't retaliate ;)

berserk

sudo apt-get install nodejs

that's what I used I guess

I am not cruel! I won't ping @Uni for no reason

hbdgaf

@ShadowWizard If that's what you're after, take it to the bridge. They'll happily play that game.

berserk

@Sha please don't ping @Uni unnecessarily.

lol

Shadow Wizard

2:08 PM

Well played, @ber, well played

berserk

lol

Shadow Wizard

throwing node on @ber and getting back to Den

berserk

kicks @Sha to den

:p

wget -qO- deb.nodesource.com/setup_4.x | sudo bash -

hbdgaf

this place feels more like IRC every day...

4

berserk

I ran this command, guess it is updating it

I am noob at ubuntu :3

lol

James

2:11 PM

glowers at all the people who can't seem to control their behavior on the not-irc channel ;-)

berserk

D:

My node updating finally!

A.B.

2:35 PM

@hbdgaf What are you talking about?

Daniel

@KGIII See judaism.stackexchange.com/q/18378/1713

also judaism.stackexchange.com/q/11269/1713

A.B.

@hbdgaf This two questions are good questions for @Serg to learn something about package problems. Where is your problem?

terdon

2:58 PM

@A.B. He just asked you to take the time and fix the question since you've found it.

A.B.

@terdon Don't understand, as I said, this two questions are good questions for @Serg to learn something about package problems. Not more no less. I'm confused.

Byte Commander

How is my answer here? I'd love some comments/reviews (and votes ;D) because I'm not 100% sure if the part about file systems (last paragraph) is correct.

1

A: Is closing a file after having opened it with `open()` required in Python?

When do files get closed? As we can learn from Is explicitly closing files important? (StackOverflow), the Python interpreter closes the file in the following cases: you manually invoke the close() method of a file object explicitly or implicitly by leaving a with open(...): block. This works ...

Oh, did our mod jrg change his username?

James ♦, Cleveland, OH

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terdon

@A.B. Yes, he's just saying that there was a typo in the title and asked you to edit it. He is assuming (and may be wrong, of course) that you noticed the typo and didn't fix it.

fossfreedom

dunno what's more scarier - the name change or the picture...

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Byte Commander

That was really evil! >:D

A.B.

3:04 PM

@terdon you are a peace maker =)

kos

@ByteCommander Very thorough answer, love it!

BTW do you or @terdon happen to know if that's the same for Perl? If yes mind to quickly share? I've always wondered.

Byte Commander

I never touched a single line of Perl yet... :-/

terdon

@kos If what's the same for perl?

kos

@terdon Right, sorry, I'm talking about this: askubuntu.com/questions/701491/…, but in Perl. Do you actually need to close files once opened?

terdon

@kos Ah, no, you don't but it's good practice.

user139252

3:10 PM

@Fabby I thought you had a cat... One who enjoyed waffles.

terdon

And we should close that question, by the way. It's not about scripting on Ubuntu, it's asking a general question about the language. Even I would call that off topic here.

user139252

Also, guys, my really lame game site is better now!

kos

@terdon Thanks. Yes, I usually do in fact, but didn't really know if that was actually needed.

@terdon Indeed. Voting to close.

terdon

@kos It isn't needed, strictly speaking. There are some esoteric reasons why it's always a good idea but, as I recall, Perl will also close it automatically once it goes out of scope. Hang on, let me see if I can find a reference.

A.B.

@HeatherBrown Tetris =)

Byte Commander

3:13 PM

@HeatherBrown Hey, you've got a wise cow there! LOL :D

terdon

> The filehandle will be closed when its reference count reaches zero. If it is a lexically scoped variable declared with my, that usually means the end of the enclosing scope. However, this automatic close does not check for errors, so it is better to explicitly close filehandles, especially those used for writing:

@kos ^^ perldoc.perl.org/functions/open.html

Byte Commander

Welcome! Please choose a game! 7
 ________________________
< Snow Day -- stay home. >
 ------------------------
        \   ^__^
         \  (oo)\_______
            (__)\       )\/\
                ||----w |
                ||     ||

It's indeed snowy.

user139252

It's a psychic cow.

user139252

@ByteCommander It's an IRC, gotta use a '/' to leave :P

Byte Commander

Aha. I'm not familiar with that. managed to leave with CTRL+C.

kos

3:20 PM

@terdon Thanks. I hate help-vampiring but do you also have a very quick explanation for what exactly reference count means? Is it just the number of references past the last one? Otherwise don't worry, I'll dig the documentation myself

terdon

@kos That's not help vampirism! To be an HV, you'd have to ask many questions while not showing any inclination that you are able or willing to make any effort yourself.

Byte Commander

If anyone knows AppArmor, I offer a +50 bounty on my question here: askubuntu.com/q/699539/367990

kos

@terdon Yeah, well, technically I could just dig the documentation (I partially did that here but it doesn't seem too helpful. So I was wondering if anyone had it in the hat).

Saladin

I'm so fixed up.

No one can explain

find . type -f -iname '*.exe'

what does 'type' do really?

I know type explains the command but what magic does it do above.

terdon

@Saladin Give a syntax error. -type f (and not type -f) searches for regular files only.

       -type c
              File is of type c:

              b      block (buffered) special

              c      character (unbuffered) special

              d      directory

              p      named pipe (FIFO)

              f      regular file

              l      symbolic link; this is never true if the -L option or the
                     -follow option is in effect, unless the symbolic link  is
                     broken.  If you want to search for symbolic links when -L
                     is in effect, use -xtype.

Saladin

3:35 PM

@terdon I can do find / -name '*.exe' or i cannot what is '-type' for

why is 'type is necessary'

terdon

@Saladin It isn't necessary, it's completely optional. Without it, that search will also return symlinks, directories, dev files and whatever else ends in .exe. With it, it will only show regular files.

It depends on what you want to do. It is often used to exclude directories from a search, for example.

Saladin

@terdon consider this ' find . -type -f iname '*.exe' -exec grep -e '\d' {} \;

here it cannot be done without 'type'? right

terdon

Yes? If you fix the syntax error, that will find only files whose names end in .exe.

@Saladin Of course it can, why not?

Saladin

@terdon using xargs? or can you please show alternate usage

terdon

@Saladin I don't understand. Just run the same command without the -type it will work. It'll just give errors if your search also returns directories but that's because grep will compalin, not find.

Saladin

3:41 PM

understood @terdon :)

How was your day?

terdon

Fine, thanks.

Saladin

You had food?

Byte Commander

@A.B. You have an idea why the package version from the PPA is not recognized here: askubuntu.com/q/701547/367990

Wally

Does Ubuntu use https for package management?

xiaodongjie

it uses http

https is also used.

Wally

3:50 PM

I think I am being hacked. Some package names have {a} like python{a} and I'm getting GPG errors

xiaodongjie

no hacked.

apt-get update and then

try again.

sometimes GPG error is occurred.

it's not error.

Wally

Is there a distro that uses https excluvisely for package managent?

xiaodongjie

I think that the repository is in updating at that time.

No, I think that there is no.

Oli

@Wally Uses in what respect?

Wally

For downloading packages

A.B.

3:57 PM

@ByteCommander reading :)

Byte Commander

Oh, and if you did not notice yet, I placed a 50 bounty on my AppArmor problem.

28 mins ago, by Byte Commander

If anyone knows AppArmor, I offer a +50 bounty on my question here: http://askubuntu.com/q/699539/367990

Oli

@Wally Ubuntu can if you replace the mirrors with ones that are using HTTPS, or use a proxy that uses HTTPS. It's just not required because all the packages (and lists) are signed. It's [near-]impossible for somebody to tamper with a package mid-network.

A.B.

@ByteCommander I think, the OP has installed a PHP version without the package manager. Check with command -v php

kos

I can't see a way to list previously protected question in the profile, I'm assuming there's none?

A.B.

@ByteCommander sorry, no. I'm wrong

Byte Commander

4:05 PM

@A.B. Is there a help page for command anywhere? It doesn't work with man or info and does not react on --help. And googling for a command called "command" is rather tricky...

terdon

@ByteCommander Builtins are documented in help:

$ help command
command: command [-pVv] command [arg ...]
    Execute a simple command or display information about commands.

    Runs COMMAND with ARGS suppressing  shell function lookup, or display
    information about the specified COMMANDs.  Can be used to invoke commands
    on disk when a function with the same name exists.

    Options:
      -p	use a default value for PATH that is guaranteed to find all of
    	the standard utilities
      -v	print a description of COMMAND similar to the `type' builtin

A.B.

@ByteCommander if apt-get update was successfully, the package should be available

terdon

Basically, if type foo returns "shell builtin", you need to run help foo.

Byte Commander

@terdon Ah, thanks! Learned something for the future. :-)

user139252

Skeleton crew at work this week

user139252

4:15 PM

Monopoly party!

Seth

4:35 PM

:D Grab all the browns and light blues.

That's how I win.

Wally

What if they replace the GPG keys and force me to remove the GPG keys and dowload them again

user136984

5:17 PM

@Mateo: Yes, of course I meant a computer fan! :D

user136984

Hovercats! :D

user136984

A.B.

Is this "low-quality"? askubuntu.com/a/701588/367165

Byte Commander

Please remember me to never set a block size of 2G for dd again!

Seth

@A.B. no. That'd be an other flag.

user136984

5:22 PM

@muru: Yes, 200 kb per second.

A.B.

@Seth "Not an aswer"?

Seth

@A.B. Very low quality is for garbage that other flags don't fit.

@A.B. does it attempt to answer the question? Yes. So not NAA.

A.B.

@Seth ok

Seth

"Other" -> "already covered by the accepted answer posted x years ago" would do.

A.B.

@Seth Ok, I understand

Seth

5:24 PM

:)

A.B.

@Seth the answer ... deleted =)

Byte Commander

@Seth And why does "plain wrong" not fit "low quality" then?

Seth

> This answer has severe formatting or content problems. This answer is unlikely to be salvageable through editing, and might need to be removed.

VLQ == absolute garbage that doesn't attempt to answer the asked question.

you can occasionally get away with "attempts to answer a different question" as well.

Byte Commander

"This answer has severe [...] content problems." contains "plain wrong" for me...

Seth

@ByteCommander well you have to define plain wrong first so..

Byte Commander

5:28 PM

@Seth Not "plain wrong", but an answer on which I had put a flag that came back: askubuntu.com/a/700416/367990

And as what should we flag link-only answers?

NAA or LQ?

terdon

@ByteCommander Plain wrong should be downvoted, not flagged.

Seth

@ByteCommander NAA.

@ByteCommander reading..

@terdon basically this.

Thomas W.

@Seth can I borrow your moderator smacking hammer for a few minutes?

Seth

what's up Thomas?

terdon

There's even a canned flag response stating that flags shouldn't be used for outright wrong answers.

Byte Commander

5:30 PM

@terdon Usually I agree, but in some cases I really feel the need of having something removed. And the description of the LQ vote should probably be edited to reflect this.

Thomas W.

either my irritability because no money for coffee, or this person fancies themselves a moderator who can tell people what to do.

Seth

@ByteCommander anything that falls under "some cases" should use an "other" flag. Explain your reasoning.

Thomas W.

(and if that second one is valid, then that user has just earned a place on my list of people I dislike for eternity.)

terdon

@ByteCommander That's what voting is for. Once it has enough downvotes, regular users can vote to delete. It really isn't something that should be dealt with by mods. Especially since, all evidence to the contrary notwithstanding, we're just humans. You can't assume the mod will always know that an answer is wrong.

Byte Commander

@Seth Okay, will go annoy some mods then... ;-)

Thomas W.

5:32 PM

@terdon though moderators DO know when to break up arguments, which i think is the more important action :P

Seth

@ByteCommander good "other" flags tend to annoy us less because we don't have to guess what you are thinking if it isn't obvious ;)

Byte Commander

Okay.

Seth

@ThomasW. ya whut

Thomas W.

@Seth either i'm irritable beyond comparison, or that user is trying to say "Stop flagging and commenting" when my comments are valid.

Seth

sending that terdon's way I think.

Thomas W.

5:33 PM

(and if they're trying to control other users' commenting capacity, they can take this here stick, and... [Content removed for public-viewing-rating concerns])

Seth

I don't think they're trying to be controlling per se.

Thomas W.

then i'm overly irritable, but the original point applies.

i should really get coffee

that's why i'm so irritable - no coffee :/

terdon

@Seth Great. More Kali :(. But yeah, do. It is on topic on U&L and, wonder of wonders, it's not a bad question despite its being about Kali!

Seth

@terdon why do you keep deleting your good comments :P

terdon

@Seth Because you just deleted the others so they were rendered irrelevant :)

Thomas W.

5:35 PM

lol

Seth

@terdon You U&L'ers do hate Kali. More then we do even!

terdon

@Seth Nah, it's just that Kali attracts clueless aspiring script kiddies like honey does flies. 90% of the Kali questions we get are crap.

A.B.

@Seth But why?

Thomas W.

@terdon Stupid question, was there ever a post regarding Kali and repairing one of the tools on Kali 2 to work again?

because there's a huge headache with one of those tools :P

terdon

@ThomasW. I don't remember any, no. I don't look into the Kali tag much though. It's too painful.

Thomas W.

5:39 PM

heheh

pretty sure there wasn't such a q, i was searching 3 weeks ago

(finally solved it)

Seth

@A.B. because lots of ignorant people (try to) install Kali because they think it will make them some elite haxor or something.

Thomas W.

(and yes I have a kali machine)

Seth

Really it just makes them look like fools..

hate for the stupid questions those people ask kinda spills over to hate for kali itself

kos

@ThomasW. Easy. Just easy.

Thomas W.

@kos heheh

kos

5:41 PM

XD

Byte Commander

I had Kali a while and played a bit e.g. with aircrack, but then dropped it again as, uhm... well, it did not turn me into "some elite haxor" :D

Thomas W.

:P

user139252

@ByteCommander Did you get into using metasploit on it?

Thomas W.

i'm taking pentesting classes, so Kali is kind of a req for those courses, if only because its got the tools

user139252

That's where the fun is.

Byte Commander

5:44 PM

@HeatherBrown I had it open 2 or 3 times, but did not really have a chance to play with it. Lack of potential target, knowledge of the commands, etc...

kos

@ByteCommander I cracked my friend's WEP [un]protected wifi network using BackTrack once :D

Thomas W.

broke a WPA2 network recently, though that was in a controlled lab environment i owned lol

took 3 days to break the passcode xD

kos

Shouldn't this be closed by the way? -> askubuntu.com/questions/701477/…

@ThomasW. For sure better than the 10 minutes it takes to break an average WEP network. :D

Thomas W.

@kos Well i had to JTR the password, so... :P

but that's offtopic here :)

throws /dev/urandom into the chat as he disappears