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Android Dev

9:01 PM

@TheWanderer Are you still here?

Uhg, I literally can't read code with the { on the same line as the statement!

RobotHumans

9:12 PM

feels a need to post an egyptian image

Android Dev

@RobotHumans Purely out of curiosity, which style do you prefer for your brackets?

RobotHumans

I like something like:
do something {
  whatever you're doing
  something else you're doing}

so the indentation speaks, and you don't need braces. makes it read more like python

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Wat --^

RobotHumans

oh god my eyes.

Android Dev

@RobotHumans It's fuzzy for me too. You might need to right click and open in a new tab

RobotHumans

9:19 PM

no, it's poorly written and taken in a two line dose so you can't see it

Android Dev

@RobotHumans That's not even why I was bringing it up... look at it again... :)

RobotHumans

aside from the fact that it reads badly, the if uname is blank or password is blank do something. and the something requires another check as to which thing is blank. why not separate it to if uname is blank do something, and if password is blank do something

it would flatten the logic. it would be better

Android Dev

Exactly :)

Wow, that's a lot of indentation --^

RobotHumans

must use lots of tabs

Seth

@AndroidDev "remove this chat" shudders. Don't they mean message?

RobotHumans

9:25 PM

i think android_dev is trying to tell me to go away, but i'm not worried about it.

Android Dev

Eh?

Seth

hahahaha

Android Dev

@Seth If Zach had somehow rigged this to have mod access and allow the average user to delete this general room...

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev where? There aren't any issues, just code lint

@Seth no, it's like closing the tab.

@RobotHumans how though? Those two conditions have to work independently, but also block the submission from happening if either is met

@AndroidDev isn't showing the full block; there's a reason for it

@AndroidDev that would be @NathanOsman. Idk how to use the chat API :p

@AndroidDev AlertDialogs have to be run on the UI thread because reasons

RobotHumans

9:45 PM

@TheWanderer if you block on or, then evaluate each one independently, it's slow. blocking on each individually and acting intrinsically is both faster and better.

Thomas Ward

blorps

RobotHumans

if a or b:
if a do something
elif b do something

is cleaner if you just say

if a do something
if b do something

@ThomasWard i'm sure that's a reference i don't get, but the sound of saying it out loud in my head made it funny

Thomas Ward

@RobotHumans that was the idea

in other news, Android Studio is a data space whore.

though I have a pretty decently stable internet so I'm downloading it decently lol

RobotHumans

I remember questions about installing that from ages ago that got crossposted b/c brazilians were timing out during the download and eclipse didn't catch it

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans well obviously it would be, but if neither is done, then something else needs to be done, but only if neither condition is met

RobotHumans

9:49 PM

@TheWanderer that's why you have else

Android Dev

@TheWanderer have you heard of else if

RobotHumans

@AndroidDev I'm not beating you up on that one, but he's looking for else not else if

TheWanderer

Guys

Android Dev

Yes?

TheWanderer

        if (mEmail.getText().toString().isEmpty() || mPassword.getText().toString().isEmpty()) {
                if (mEmail.getText().toString().isEmpty()) {
                    if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT > Build.VERSION_CODES.N)
                        mEmail.setHint(Html.fromHtml("<font color='#ff0000'>" + getResources().getText(R.string.activity_authenticator_email_required) + "</font>", Html.FROM_HTML_MODE_LEGACY));
                    else
                        //noinspection deprecation
                        mEmail.setHint(Html.fromHtml("<font color='#ff0000'>" + getResources().get…

Android Dev

9:51 PM

AAAAHHH!

Use pastebin :P

TheWanderer

Mobile

@RobotHumans that's the full block

RobotHumans

And that blob has context

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer pastebin works on mobile. BLARGH.

grabs a hammer

TheWanderer

I honestly don't see another way to do it

RobotHumans

starts juggling hammers and chainsaws

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TheWanderer

9:52 PM

@ThomasWard since when is augr against code blocks?

user136984

Goodnight folks! :)

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer bad indentation is bad

:)

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans I could do two if else blocks for each one, but I think this is cleaner

@ThomasWard mobile is mobile

Thomas Ward

uhm

@TheWanderer you're working on that ChatExchange thing right?

TheWanderer

Yehs

Thomas Ward

9:55 PM

either i'm missing dependencies

TheWanderer

But it doesn't actually do anything

Thomas Ward

or you're developing for ancient crap

Android Dev

if (mEmail.getText().toString().isEmpty())
{
if (Build.VERSION.SDK_INT > Build.VERSION_CODES.N)
{
mEmail.setHint(Html.fromHtml("<font color='#ff0000'>" + getResources().getText(R.string.activity_authenticator_email_required) + "</font>", Html.FROM_HTML_MODE_LEGACY));
}

else
{
//noinspection deprecation
mEmail.setHint(Html.fromHtml("<font color='#ff0000'>" + getResources().getText(R.string.activity_authenticator_email_required) + "</font>"));
}
}

else if (mPassword.getText().toString().isEmpty())

TheWanderer

It's API 15-25

Android Dev

@TheWanderer --^

Thomas Ward

9:56 PM

@TheWanderer Android Studio disagrees

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev but if they're both empty that won't work

RobotHumans

if A uname blank do something
if B password blank do an additional something
else startAuth

apologies for not catching the fallthrough straight away on two lines

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans but that else only applies to B

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer if A is blank it does nothing

RobotHumans

@TheWanderer no, it applies to both.

TheWanderer

9:57 PM

@ThomasWard Gradle versions don't correspond to Android versions. Gradle is 2.3.2

Android Dev

Thomas Ward

@RobotHumans erm, does it? IIRC, you need an elif in there

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Yes, it will --^

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer well gradle sync failed so

i'mma beg to differ :P

RobotHumans

no. a is a separate clause

TheWanderer

9:57 PM

@AndroidDev no because it's an else if

Thomas Ward

@RobotHumans If you depend on A or B existing, then you need it as if/elif/else

that's just how Java if statements work

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans how can else apply to both conditions unless they're nested?

RobotHumans

if you make A a separate clause and close the clause. there is no else if

Seth

@TheWanderer "remove"?

Thomas Ward

@RobotHumans that doesn't work if there is no 'A' value

Seth

9:58 PM

the wording just feels weird.

TheWanderer

That's not how it works @RobotHumans

Thomas Ward

Consider the following:

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Ok hold on, you say if they're both empty it won't work; what specifically won't work?

2

Thomas Ward

@AndroidDev the 'else' statement will trigger if A is not empty but B is

in Python, it'd be analogous to this case:

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev if both are empty, it'll enter the email block but never reach the password block

Thomas Ward

9:59 PM

a = "foo"
b = None
if a:
    print("A")
else:
    if b:
        print("B")
    else:
        raise IOError

TheWanderer

I could use ternaries

But no one likes ternaries

Thomas Ward

the tricky part is if we need to also trigger on B

TheWanderer

YES

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer are we requiring both to be valid, and not empty items?

TheWanderer

It needs to be able to execute both A and B conditions without executing C

Hence the nested ifs

RobotHumans

10:01 PM

they both trigger if both are none. i don't see what you're trying to accomplish evaluating it multiple times.

TheWanderer

@RobotHumans I need to prevent that Auth function from running if either box is empty

But I need to also deal with each box separately

Thomas Ward

lol i'm missing API24 lol

hey api24 comes with google play store on it nice

TheWanderer

You shouldn't need 24 o_O

Android Dev

TheWanderer

The app is 25

Android Dev

10:02 PM

@TheWanderer -I suppose you could do that then --^

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev that will still submit if email is empty but not password

Oh I see

But that's honestly messier than nested ifs

Android Dev

@TheWanderer But at least you'd only be reading a boolean and not having to do the call again

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev I don't see how it's any better

Nested ifs are easier to understand than a weird boolean

And I could always assign them to variables to avoid multiple calls

Android Dev

@TheWanderer If the user denied that permission, then it would crash, no?

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev what permission

Android Dev

10:13 PM

@TheWanderer find accounts on device I guess

@TheWanderer Question, what happens when you run out of space for more tabs on the bottom?

Thomas Ward

@AndroidDev 666BOOM666

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev it's in a scrollview

@AndroidDev that isn't a runtime permission

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer i has concern - no OpenID logon process

Android Dev

@ThomasWard Yeah well... he's only been working on this for like 3 days

Thomas Ward

true. looks pretty smooth for an app tho

properly fetches chat names too heh

TheWanderer

10:22 PM

@ThomasWard that's Nathan's job

Thomas Ward

i see your rotation works too heh

TheWanderer

@ThomasWard that's my job and a mess

Thomas Ward

good thing too, i'd burn ya if it didn't.

TheWanderer

@ThomasWard rotation is default

Thomas Ward

@TheWanderer the only problem is I can only run it in Android Studio lol

ALSO

it didn't find that dependency in Gradle until I installed everything back to KitKat lol

making me think something is broken

and it requires compat stuff

TheWanderer

10:23 PM

Well the app is built for API 15 as well

Android Dev

Android Studio freaked out for me too @ThomasWard

Thomas Ward

indeed, i'm on API24 for the Google Play support in the emulator

TheWanderer

So yeah it needs compat

Thomas Ward

FORTUNATELY it has compat :)

@AndroidDev I have specific apps that aren't API25 yet so... :P

Android Dev

@TheWanderer So who's job is it to make it actually stream the messages?

TheWanderer

10:24 PM

Nathan

I'm Mr UI

Android Dev

Oh yeah, I remember the other day Nathan saying he likes the back end and you can make it pretty :)

TheWanderer

Sigh

Android Dev

Wait so do we have to reverse engineer the web app to figure out how to stream the data?

Or do they provide an API?

TheWanderer

I DON'T KNOW

Gah

It's @NathanOsman who does that stuff

Android Dev

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A: Is there a way to programmatically access chat?

There is no official API provided for the chat network. As Marc's answer mentions, there are a number of community efforts to bridge the gap: Go go-sechat JavaScript ChatBot ChatExchange ThirdPlace ArtOfChatbot Python ChatExchange Rebol RebolBot If you are the author of a library...

TheWanderer

10:29 PM

But Nathan has disappeared

Android Dev

I found and answer by him --^

RobotHumans

didn't toss in an rstrip, but this is what i was talking about:

from sys import stdin

username = None
password = None

x = 0

def eval_box(username, password, x):
	x+=1
	print(x)
	print(username)
	print(password)
	if username == None: username, password, garbage = eval_box(stdin.readline(), password, x)
	if password == None: username, password, garbage = eval_box(username, stdin.readline(), x)
	#DO AUTH
	token = username+password
	print(token)
	return username, password, token


username, password, token = eval_box(username, password, x)
print('done')
print(username)

TheWanderer

@NathanOsman Google rejected the app for IP violation

RobotHumans

10:49 PM

@TheWanderer - this is why I like New Zealand. There's only one right way to do software, so people cannot be punished for doing it the one right way unless there's a hardware component.

Android Dev

@TheWanderer Which app?

TheWanderer

@AndroidDev guess

RobotHumans

SEChatNotifier

pshaw joke

TheWanderer

..........,.....................

Android Dev

@TheWanderer why would you want to submit it when it's not even functional yet?

Also what did it violate?

TheWanderer

10:55 PM

@AndroidDev closed alpha for key sharing

@AndroidDev there are no specifics

RobotHumans

That's interesting.

sup @chaskes long time no speak. read/watched anything interesting recently?

i think last time we talked, i was on about alphago and lee sodol

chaskes

Nothing special going on. Started reading Stephen Donaldson for the first time.

The show Nobodies on tvland (?) is funny,

RobotHumans

Stephen Donaldson sounds interesting. I may read that. I liked the coldfire trilogy a lot if I didn't tell you already... and I'm complementing you wanting to read Donaldson b/c I generally stay away from authors with more than 4 books

e.g. robert jordan died before he finished.

chaskes

But Sanderson did a much better job with the last 3 Jordans than Jordan did with the previous 3 Jordans.

I'll have to try Coldfire.

RobotHumans

That's entirely possible. I just wanted to know what was in his head before he kicked. Not what someone else could invent after he kicked. Coldfire was interesting.

chaskes

11:07 PM

He just wrote out the notes really, but he's a very good writer on his own, and the series had turned into sort of a mess before Sanderson cleaned it up. There is at least one thing that was not wrapped up because (based on sanderson interviews) Jordan never wrote it down and Sanderson didn't invent anything new.

Recently read Sanderson's first: Elantris. Pretty good.

@RobotHumans Gotta go. ttyl.

RobotHumans

Will be worth reading probably. Have fun. Later on @chaskes

RobotHumans

11:29 PM

Going for a smoke @DragonGuy, but I see you're active on codegolf. Any thoughts on the code above?

Android Dev

11:47 PM

@RobotHumans Don't smoke! It's bad for you! And that goes for CLnetbox too :)

RobotHumans

I mostly smoke to walk away from the screen. Either way, I can't walk the dog all day, so sometimes I find it to be necessary.

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