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Android Dev

1:00 PM

@terdon Okay. I'll know for the future :)

Zacharee1

The GPU fan is not moving

and it seems to exist

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Hmmmm.

Hardware problem! :)

Speedfan isn't the best software though.

Open Hardware Monitor is way better.

@Zacharee1 - Kali? askubuntu.com/questions/803573/…

Zacharee1

That looks like GNOME 3

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Q: Good Software center for linux?

I need a good software center for linux that a I can install/update/remove apps from it I have used ubuntu software center and deepin.. this one https://www.sendspace.com/file/f1ihki is good also but I think they're not as good as possible thanks

Zacharee1

so idk if it is

Android Dev

1:05 PM

@Zacharee1 I edited my comment to say:

That looks like Kali. Are you using Ubuntu GNOME?

@Zacharee1 - What's difference between ending a process and killing it?

terdon

Why Kali, specifically?

Zacharee1

ending lets it shut down normally and save stuff, clear cache, etc

killing just stops it

Android Dev

@terdon That's what came to mind.

@Zacharee1 Thought so.

@Zacharee1 So which does xkill do?

Zacharee1

dunno

Android Dev

Kill?

terdon

1:09 PM

I really think we should always assume Ubuntu unless we have compelling evidence to the contrary. First because 90% of all problems are distro-agnostic and second because the desktop environment is just a skin over the system. Any distribution can run any desktop environment.

@AndroidDev Makes your cursor into a cross and kills any GUI app you click on

Zacharee1

DEATH

Android Dev

@terdon But does it end or kill?

user136984

> Xkill is a utility for forcing the X server to close connections to
clients. This program is very dangerous, but is useful for aborting
programs that have displayed undesired windows on a user's screen. If
no resource identifier is given with -id, xkill will display a special
cursor as a prompt for the user to select a window to be killed. If a
pointer button is pressed over a non-root window, the server will close
its connection to the client that created the window.

user136984

Don't you people ever read the manpages?

Android Dev

@ParanoidPanda Uuuuuhhh...

man xkill?

Zacharee1

1:11 PM

@ParanoidPanda no never

user136984

Yes

terdon

> This command does not provide any warranty that the application whose
connection to the X server is closed will abort nicely, or even abort
at all. All this command does is to close the connection to the X
server. Many existing applications do indeed abort when their connec‐
tion to the X server is closed, but some can choose to continue.

So it might kill, it might end. Depends on the process.

Android Dev

@terdon Notice that I asked if it was Ubuntu GNOME :)

terdon

@AndroidDev Oh, yeah, I wasn't whining about your comment this time.

Android Dev

@terdon :)

user136984

1:13 PM

@AndroidDev: If you have no evidence of it being anything other than Ubuntu GNOME, then posting such a comment is a little bit odd...

terdon

Although, if I were to whine, I'd point out that there's no reason to be running Ubuntu Gnome just because you use Gnome :P

user136984

@terdon: Sorry, but to use whine.exe you need WINE! ;P

Android Dev

@ParanoidPanda Well, the only distro I've used with GNOME is Kali. I didn't actually know there was such a thing as Ubuntu GNOME till now.

@ParanoidPanda +1

@terdon I once tried to install KDE on 14.04. That was the worst idea ever.

terdon

@AndroidDev You can install any desktop environment on any Linux. AFAIK, Ubuntu/Debian is a bit odd in that its packaging system is very badly set up and you can have minor conflicts but (and again AFAIK) those are mostly about the flavor branding and not anything important.

Zacharee1

KDE is great

terdon

1:16 PM

I always have more than one DE on my system.

I used to always have Gnome, KDE, WindowMaker and sometimes more

Android Dev

@terdon KDE Would freeze after 5 seconds.

user136984

@terdon: I thought that Debian/Ubuntu was meant to have the best packaging system around?

terdon

@AndroidDev Could be due to any number of things.

Android Dev

@terdon - And then I couldn't get rid of it!

I tried to remove it,

Zacharee1

how?

terdon

1:17 PM

@ParanoidPanda Certainly one of them. But the way they've packaged the desktop environments so it's hard to install multiple ones is completely idiotic.

Android Dev

but it only freed like 25MB out of the ~500MB downloaded.

terdon

Yeah. The joys of meta-packages

Zacharee1

what did you run?

terdon

I have to say, I do not miss the Debian packaging system since moving to Arch

Android Dev

@terdon I HATE meta packages.

terdon

1:18 PM

Yeah

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Don't remember :P

@terdon Is it hard to install?

terdon

In my experience rpm/yum < apt/dpkg <<< pacman/yaourt

Zacharee1

because you should have removed kde-* and kubuntu-*

user136984

@AndroidDev: You should have a look at the flavours list by the way. ;)

Zacharee1

@terdon wakka wakka

terdon

1:19 PM

@AndroidDev Yes and no. If you follow the beginners guide to the letter it should work perfectly. But there's no GUI installer and you need to know your way around the command line.

Android Dev

@ParanoidPanda Oooh.

terdon

Arch is not for those who want an easy to set up system. it's great if you want to spend some time setting it up and if you want a system that's exactly how you want it.

Android Dev

@terdon As long as I don't have to use parted from the CMD, I think I'd do OK.

terdon

Most people, understandably enough, would rather it just works.

@AndroidDev You will if you haven't already set the partitions up beforehand.

Android Dev

@terdon And if I pre-partition in Gparted?

Zacharee1

1:20 PM

Is Arch like Build-your-own-Linux?

terdon

@AndroidDev Then you won't need to partition in parted.

user136984

@terdon: Which distro did you say you used again?

terdon

@Zacharee1 Not quite, no. It's just a much more hand-on installation process.

@ParanoidPanda Arch for the past year or so

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Might you know where the most current guide on making a custom Ubuntu ISO is located?

Zacharee1

nope

Rinzwind

1:22 PM

@Zacharee1 it is for masochists :=D

Zacharee1

agh

the pings

Rinzwind

@AndroidDev I do :=D

Android Dev

@Rinzwind :)

terdon

wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/beginners'_guide

user136984

@terdon: Have you tried Fedora?

terdon

1:23 PM

@ParanoidPanda Yes. I spent a few years with first RedHat and then, when it came out, Fedora at work.

Rinzwind

@ParanoidPanda CentOS you mean. Fedore is payware

terdon

I also used to have SuSe and then openSuSe at home.

@Rinzwind No it isn't! RedHat is payware

Rinzwind

oh sorry >:-)

now explain the gunzip comment you made >:=)

Android Dev

@Rinzwind - So where is it located?

Rinzwind

thought you never asked ;-)

server or desktop

terdon

1:25 PM

$ gzip file
$ mv file.gz file
$ gunzip file
\gzip: file: unknown suffix -- ignored

@Rinzwind

user136984

@terdon: I might be duel-booting with Fedora soon. Who knows, if I like it enough, I might even switch to it for a while. A change is good.

Android Dev

@Rinzwind Both would be helpful.

But desktop more so.

terdon

@ParanoidPanda Sure. Distro hopping is a good thing. Most of you kids who've only ever tried Ubuntu think Ubuntu == Linux :P

Rinzwind

@terdon that is stupid and windows mentality :(

Android Dev

@terdon Debian is the original flavor...

Right?

terdon

1:26 PM

@Rinzwind Yes. But that's the way it is.

@AndroidDev Of what? Of Linux? Of course not.

Rinzwind

@AndroidDev server askubuntu.com/questions/409607/…

basically also useable for desktop since all you need to do is include it into it ;D

terdon

Zacharee1

Is this on-topic? askubuntu.com/questions/803586/php-script-is-not-working

terdon

@Zacharee1 Ugh, probably. I would guess the underlying issue is configuring his webserver to run and not display php files but it's hard to tell.

Rinzwind

@terdon zcat is far better >:-)

Android Dev

1:29 PM

@terdon Okay, well RedHat and Debian are the big ones.

terdon

@Rinzwind I'm sure there's a reason they made gzip behave that way. Might be a stupid reason, mind you.

@AndroidDev And slackware. In terms of age, anyway

Rinzwind

@terdon race conditions probably

Android Dev

@terdon - Say, want to know what I have sitting in my stuff closet?

Rinzwind

if "file" has a file named "file" in it ... problem

terdon

@AndroidDev As long as it's not edible...:P

Android Dev

1:31 PM

terdon

@Rinzwind That wouldn't be an issue here, gz only deals with single files, it doesn't make archives

@AndroidDev Oh wow :)

Rinzwind

aha

Android Dev

@terdon But I can't install the stupid thing!

terdon

Well, yeah, it's probably older than @ParanoidPanda

Android Dev

@terdon I tried to install it in a VM, but the installer just freezes right after booting :(

Zacharee1

1:33 PM

This has to be too broad askubuntu.com/questions/803589/…

Android Dev

Zacharee1

that doesn't make any sense

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 I know.

Is he using Kali or not?

Zacharee1

well Kali uses GNOME

but that still doesn't make sense

he can't use Kali so he's using GNOME?

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 See my next comment there.

@terdon - Judging by your comment you think it's Kali?

terdon

1:38 PM

@AndroidDev Heh, now yes. The OP basically said so.

Im basically screwed , kali forums captcha wont let me through for some reason and ubuntu guys probably wont answer :'( , guess ill be using gnome for a while — Abdul Rehman 6 mins ago

Zanna

*swoon* at that graph
sweet sweet data

user136984

@AndroidDev: Maybe because of your comment he tried to go on the Kali forums but that didn't work.

terdon

@Zanna lol :)

user136984

Perhaps he's just some Unity-lover who's stuck on GNOME and only did anything with Kali because of your comment. But I don't know.

Zacharee1

@terdon the comment says he can't use Kali so he's using GNOME

but Kali uses GNOME

user136984

1:39 PM

And I wish my keyboard would type faster! It can't keep up with me! :D

Zacharee1

so it makes no sense

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 It's a sort of circle.

terdon

No, it says the Kali forums won't let him post 'cause he can't get through the captcha. They probably have one of those "paste the output of this command" things.

user136984

He probably just doesn't know what he is talking about, we should ask him to run the lsb_release -a command.

Android Dev

@ParanoidPanda Yes.

Zacharee1

1:40 PM

@terdon which implies he has an issue with Kali, which makes me think he's probably using Kali. But then he says he'll be using GNOME for a while. What did he have before? GNOME is default on Kali

user136984

On the lichess site they have an awesome captcha which makes you play a final move in Chess! :D

user136984

If you win it lets you through, otherwise you are stuck there.

Android Dev

@ParanoidPanda That's cool.

user136984

@Zacharee1: Was it always the default? Maybe he's just got some really old version of Backtrack?

Zacharee1

dunno

terdon

1:41 PM

@Zacharee1 I read that to mean that he'll just use it despite the very minor annoyance he's facing.

Zacharee1

hmm

but then that makes me think he was trying to get away from GNOME

which makes even less sense

terdon

But what difference does it make what the default is? He could have installed anything.

Android Dev

Much confusion I sense! - Yoda, 2016

@terdon But if he installed something else, why would he not know what he's talking about?

terdon

For one thing because he's speaking a foreign language. And I don't see why you think he doesn't know. He just said that he'll be using Gnome for a while. That doesn't imply he isn't doing so now.

Zacharee1

but his screenshot is GNOME, so why would he post that screenshot if he wasn't having problems in GNOME?

user136984

1:45 PM

I'm just downloading Ubuntu Studios now, has anyone tried it? Is it any good?

user136984

Also what exact DE does it use?

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 This.

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda looks like GNOME

Android Dev

Let's just: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/31320578#31320578

Zacharee1

nah

Android Dev

1:46 PM

@Zacharee1 Why not?

Zacharee1

:p

no, we should

Android Dev

He probably wouldn't get back to us though.

Zacharee1

Funny gif here - i.imgur.com/5VrFZhT.gif

grr

ah

Android Dev

@Zacharee1 Huh? What's that from?

Zacharee1

Imgur?

Android Dev

1:57 PM

@Zacharee1 What is it supposed to be? It's so small I can't tell.

I'm not on my desktop :)

Zacharee1

just click it

jokerdino

post a HTML5 version please

Zacharee1

it's a GIF

wat

Android Dev

Bye for now.

terdon

@Zacharee1 Do you have any idea how large that is?

Zacharee1

2:00 PM

?

terdon

I'm downloading it now and it's at 4% at 3MB!

Zacharee1

lol

why are you downloading it?

terdon

Curious. All I see here is a loading circle.

Zacharee1

and it's only 2.4MB

oh the GIF is 63MB

terdon

@Zacharee1 nope

@Zacharee1 Yeah.

Zacharee1

2:01 PM

click it and download the MP4 then

terdon

You know what, I'm pretty sure that's just not worth posting.

jokerdino

i.imgur.com/5VrFZhT.gifv

user136984

Why did someone downvote this? :(

jokerdino

That gif is slowing things down here.. Can we stop the onebox?

Zacharee1

you're the chat mod

and it's been 2 mins

user136984

2:05 PM

Is gnome-maps only broken on Ubuntu or is it the upstream version with the issue?

user136984

Oh dear... My dreams are getting worse and worse... Donald Trump is appearing in them more and more!

blade19899

Just out of curiosity, is there a sharepoint, Google Docs like alternatives? Preferably open source...

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cl-netbox

Hello :)

@ParanoidPanda gnome maps is "broken" on every distro ! Please read this -> mail.gnome.org/archives/desktop-devel-list/2016-July/… ... and this -> omgubuntu.co.uk/2016/07/gnome-maps-dead-end-mapquest ... you can sudo apt purge gnome-maps ... good afternoon my friend ! :)

@ParanoidPanda I compensated the downvote with an upvote just right now ! :)

user136984

2:21 PM

:)

user136984

@cl-netbox: Do you know what the ID of the upstream bug report is?

user136984

Also, are you on Tox?

cl-netbox

@ParanoidPanda here it is -> bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-maps/+bug/1602035

@ParanoidPanda yes ... in a few minutes :)

blade19899

Can someone star my last comment? That's something I'm really looking for!

user136984

:)

Mateo

2:27 PM

Er, this is ironic...

what

heh

:(

user136984

2:48 PM

Does anyone know when FF48 will be released by the way?

cl-netbox

@ParanoidPanda Please check this -> wiki.mozilla.org/RapidRelease/Calendar ... and this -> blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2016/02/04/… :)

Nathan Osman

Yikes! labs.detectify.com/2016/07/27/…

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3:06 PM

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Q: How to recover a clobbered LD_LIBRARY_PATH on Ubuntu Linux 16.04?

I would like to find out how to recover a clobbered LD_LIBRARY_PATH on Ubuntu Linux 16.04. I clobbbered it a few days ago by setting the global environment variable LD_LIBRARY_PATH to /home/frankc/DevelopmentX64/Debug in the file /etc/environment and rebooting. Any help is greatly appreciated.

ubuntu environment-variables

Zacharee1

@NathanOsman But they fixed it in a day. That's pretty good

Nathan Osman

True.

Android Dev

3:24 PM

@Zacharee1 - What is this? askubuntu.com/questions/803633/…

@NathanOsman - New Ubuntu version confirmed! askubuntu.com/questions/803634/showing-of-login-incorrect

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Q: The user x cannot use this program (crontab)

Ubuntu 14.04 I don't understand the behaviour I'm seeing with setting up crontab for a service (no login) account (named curator). When I'm logged in as root, this is what I get: # crontab -u curator -l The user curator cannot use this program (crontab) But, when I switch to the user's accou...

ubuntu cron

Thomas Ward

Good day! How are we all?

user136984

3:43 PM

@ThomasWard: There is nobody here. :P

Thomas Ward

except you are here

so what you said is false

user136984

Maybe you are imagining things.

user136984

Maybe you are in a hot tub right now going insane and there is an army of Pandas trying to break down your door.

Thomas Ward

no, that's you.

user136984

:D

Thomas Ward

3:46 PM

there's an army of orcs trying to break into my building, but it won't last long

user136984

How can you know it won't?

user136984

(I feel like a silly chat bot I once spoke to at the moment. :D)

Thomas Ward

:P

@ParanoidPanda they're being dispersed right now :P

James

@ThomasWard What does your Wednesday afternoon or Thursday afternoon look like next week?

I'm driving out by you on my way to Philly next week

Thomas Ward

@James Dark, and filled with Shadow and Fire.

James

3:49 PM

Cool stuff. :-)

i'll pass then. ;-)

Thomas Ward

@James yeah my schedule is a tad busy the next couple weeks prepping to head back to school for the semester

is working way too much for work to get things completed

James

@ThomasWard ok!

Thomas Ward

maybe next time.

James

no worries. there will be other times i'll be headed that way in the future.

Thomas Ward

oh, I don't doubt it :)

James

3:52 PM

(Anyone in Philly? I've got something Thursday night there, but i don't have plans beyond arriving sometime Wednesday afternoon, and leaving friday mid-morning)

Zacharee1

androidauthority.com/zte-axon-7-review-704039

it rates higher in benchmarks than the S7 o_O

James

LEMME GUESS. The ZTE AXON SEVENNN!!!! ;-)

yup.

Zacharee1

WHY YES

No but it is a great phone

and it's CDMA compatible too

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