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Terrance

8:01 PM

Back to the .dbus thing, it appears that my usage of sudo -s changes the ownership of .dbus.

Seth

yeah, use sudo -i

Terrance

Makes sense

or sudo -H -i

Seth

err

-H sets $HOME to the listing under the password you use. Since you are using your password it will set $HOME to your $HOME.. which is where the issue comes from.

Serg

I chowned my direcgtory back to my name , but . . . i don't see how .dbus being owned by root is harmful . . . so far my system runs alright

Seth

and it'd be redundant if you use -i immediately after AFAICT

Nathan Osman

8:06 PM

Apple is reminding me my membership expires in a month :(

Seth

Tell them you're glad to leave!

Nathan Osman

I can't release signed OS X disk images without it.

Serg

@NathanOsman and how much the membership costs ?

Nathan Osman

:(

@Serg $99/yr

Seth

Too bad for those OSX users.

Nathan Osman

8:07 PM

Also iOS apps :P

Serg

hmmm . . . . not too expensive . . .

Seth

I'm assuming this is mostly for Nitroshare. Have you considered adding a donate button to the website?

Terrance

@seth Yeah, looks like you're right. It is a redundant switch. Either way they both return the same HOME. It's probably the way I have it set up.

Serg

What about the Ubuntu membership ? How much that costs ?

Nathan Osman

@Seth no, not yet.

user139252

8:09 PM

@NathanOsman Apple is just rude.

Terrance

@TheBrownOne I second that! =)

Seth

@Terrance -i should set $HOME to /root. How are you testing?

Nathan Osman

@Serg nothing. It's free :)

Terrance

@Seth echo $HOME

Serg

@Seth that's what it does

Seth

8:09 PM

@Terrance Bash expands $HOME before the command is run, so that's not an accurate test :)

Serg

skolodya@ubuntu:$ sudo -i
[sudo] password for xieerqi:
$ echo $HOME
/root
$ pwd
/root
$

user139252

I strongly despise my work's network right now.

kos

@Terrance Yeah that's the problem. env_reset unsets a number of variables but not HOME, so HOME is still you home directory, and root ends up owning stuff. -H prevents that for a single command

user139252

It's too slow, and I'm trying to watch the new Ok Go video.

Seth

@NathanOsman I personally would also add a note that creating Apple binaries costs money.. Maybe even inside Nitroshare itself.

user139252

8:10 PM

It's shot in zero gravity!

Seth

@TheBrownOne Ok Go?

as in, the language?

Serg

@TheBrownOne etherwebs is an option ?

Seth

@Serg right. but sudo -i echo $HOME won't do what you expect.

Terrance

@Seth @kos So what should be the proper test?

user139252

@Seth Awesome band. They did the treadmill video.

user139252

8:11 PM

@Serg Nope, all that jacks are on the lower floors of my new building.

Seth

@Terrance That I am not sure about.

Serg

Well, that's unfortunate

kos

@Terrance What do you want to test exactly?

user139252

Here we go, for everyone interested

user139252

You might have to sign up for Facebook :(

Serg

8:13 PM

Meanwhile, I got a starbucks giftcard, because I was smoking in properly marked smoking area on my campus . . . Still hate that they removed all ash trays next to buildings, and left like 9 spots (only) accross the whole university campus

Jacob Vlijm

@Rinzwind almost there... 190 :)

Serg

On saturdays and fridays I have to work, and 30 minutes of a break is not enought to walk over to the designated spot after eating and be back to work on time

Daniel

Hey I'm up to 8 stars!

user139252

My new office is also not remotely close to a good coffee shop or eatery

Terrance

@kos What is the proper way of a sudo shell. I have read that -H is good and that -i is good. I use sudo shells when I am working with Unison and other such applications that require root privileges. I don't want to be messing up my /home/terrance folder

user139252

8:14 PM

@Daniel No more stars for you!

Seth

@Terrance I guess trusting the manpage is the easiest way.

Daniel

eh, why?

Nathan Osman

If I'm raising money for that, it might be worth looking into an Authenticode certificate as well so I can sign Windows binaries.

Serg

@Daniel imagine if those were GTA stars

Seth

> -H, --set-home
Request that the security policy set the HOME environment
variable to the home directory specified by the target user's
password database entry. Depending on the policy, this may
be the default behavior.

user139252

8:14 PM

Because 8 is a good enough number.

Daniel

😳 @Serg

Serg

In fact 8 and 9 are considered lucking in Asia

Also 6 , because sounds like liu, smooth . . .

Daniel

But I'm trying to beat ThomasW.'s 10

muru

@Seth because $HOME is expanded by your shell. :P

Daniel

You might be a Network Administrator if, after fooling around all day with routers and switches, you pick up the phone and dial an IP address.

user139252

8:16 PM

I don't know how many I have...

kos

@Terrance If you want a shell, sudo -i, it starts an interactive shell (and you don't need to worry about HOME). If you want to run a single command sudo -H is safe.

Daniel

The best way to accelerate a Windows 98 machine is at 9.81m/s^2

Seth

@muru that's what I said a few messages earlier :P

Serg

When i was going for a chinese wedding, my buddy asked to give the 66 $ red pocket . ...Double smoothness , i.e. wishing newly weds (both of them) to have smooth life . . .

Daniel

Or perhaps, if you want some Irony:

Serg

8:16 PM

@Daniel haha , have another star for that

Daniel

Programmer’s Horror story:

Jack was a COBOL programmer in the mid to late 1990s. After years of being taken for granted and treated as a technological dinosaur by all the Client/Server programmers and website developers, he was finally getting some respect. He'd become a private consultant specializing in Year 2000 conversions.

Several years of this relentless, mind-numbing work had taken its toll on Jack. He began having anxiety dreams about the Year 2000. All he could think about was how he could avoid the year 2000 and all that came with it.

Terrance

@kos OK, thank you! That makes a lot more sense. =)

muru

@Seth ah..

user139252

Hey, I remember this one:

user139252

Jul 27 '15 at 15:17, by Heather Brown

It's the internet. The only private secret on the internet is a military man with a bad last name.

Seth

8:17 PM

@kos Are you sure? -H will set $HOME to /home/yourusername, not /root.

Serg

stop rolling the chat ! I'm trying to star stuff !

Seth

That is what is causing these issues.

muru

@Seth no, it should set to the target user's home.

 -H, --set-home
             Request that the security policy set the HOME environment
             variable to the home directory specified by the target user's
             password database entry.  Depending on the policy, this may
             be the default behavior.

Seth

@muru right, and no one is using root's password..

Daniel

Modified version of the creation story:

• In the beginning God created the Bit and the Byte. And from those he created the Word.

• And there were two Bytes in the Word; and nothing else existed. And God separated the One from the Zero; and he saw it was good.

• And God said - Let the Data be; And so it happened. And God said - Let the Data go to their proper places. And he created floppy disks and hard disks and compact disks.

• And God said - Let the computers be, so there would be a place to put floppy disks and hard disks and compact disks. Thus God created computers and called them …

Terrance

8:17 PM

sudo -H -i
-------------------------------------------------------------- 02/11/16 13:17:10
root@terrance-Linux:~# echo $HOME
/root

Seth

@Terrance -i overrides -H.

kos

~/tmp % sudo env | grep HOME
HOME=/home/user
~/tmp % sudo -H env | grep HOME
HOME=/root
~/tmp % sudo -i
~# env | grep HOME
HOME=/root

muru

@Seth yes, and targetpw isn't set either

Daniel

@Serg
Windows 95 is a 32 bit extension for a 16 bit patch to an 8 bit operating system originally coded for a 4 bit microprocessor by a 2 bit company that can't stand 1 bit of competition.

muru

But the target user is root, or whichever user was specified using -u

Terrance

8:18 PM

@Seth Yes, but -H does not work standalone either

Daniel

Something to ponder:
Little known fact about Middle Earth: The Hobbits had a very sophisticated computer network! It was a Tolkien Ring...

kos

@Seth Yes I'm sure, -H will set HOME to the taget user (which is what you want)

Seth

@muru ah, so it knows root is the target user and sets it according to root's pw entry?

user139252

Video is still loading...

muru

@Seth yes, that's the definition of target user. O.o

Terrance

8:19 PM

WOW, sudo -H -i and sudo -H -s return the exact same home folder, where sudo -s and sudo -i return different folders

Seth

I must have misunderstood/misread the manpage.

maybe I should go eat lunch..

Serg

@Daniel hehe, you have the type of humor that I cannot share with parents or friends - they won't understand . . . .Hence starred !

:XD

Terrance

@Seth You and me both! I'm starving! =)

kos

@Terrance chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/27507639#27507639 This should clear it up :)

muru

:27507678      -u user, --user=user
                 Run the command as a user other than the default target user
                 (usually root).  The user may be either a user name or a

@Seth you should

Daniel

8:21 PM

Thanks @Serg

My goal is to own the sidebar

I'm about halfway there

I mount my soul at /dev/null

Terrance

@kos Thank you! Took me a bit to realize that TARGET user is ROOT, not the actual user. So, -H sets HOME to /root

I believe I got it now! :D

Seth

same ^

Daniel

Linix is user-friendly. It's just picky about who its friends are.

@Serg
There are two major products of Berkeley, CA -- LSD and UNIX. We don't believe this to be strictly by coincidence.

Also, Those who do not understand UNIX are condemned to reinvent it, poorly.

UNIX was not designed to stop you from doing stupid things, because that would also stop you from doing clever things.

Serg

Ah, the classic !

Daniel

Real command output:

$ make love
Not war.
$

That's from FreeBSD

user139252

8:24 PM

Dec 16 '15 at 22:58, by Heather Brown

I am a very hairy boat :P

Daniel

in OS X I get:
$ make love
make: don't know how to make love. Stop
$

Terrance

I did something wrong

make love
make: *** No rule to make target `love'. Stop.

Daniel

% !1984
1984: Event not found. # (on some systems)

Terrance

I'm hopeless. :P

Daniel

% ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
Modifier failed.

% man: why did you get a divorce?
man:: Too many arguments.

% \(-
(-: Command not found.

Oh this one's good:

% cd /tmp
% touch this; chmod 000 this
% ln -s /usr/bin/touch U
% U this
U: cannot touch this: no write permission

user139252

8:25 PM

theone@jakku:~$ % ^How did the sex change^ operation go?
bash: fg: %: no such job

Daniel

This doesn't work in all shells

% sh
$ PATH=pretending! /usr/ucb/which sense
no sense in pretending!
$ mkdir matter; cat >matter
matter: cannot create

user139252

I could make a joke, but it might get awkward.

Daniel

Oh dear:

Unix is sexy: who | grep -i blonde | date; cd ~; unzip; touch; strip; finger; mount; gasp; yes; uptime; umount; sleep

Serg

DIR:/xieerqi
skolodya@ubuntu:$ function make { if [ $1 == "love" ];then echo "not war";fi }

DIR:/xieerqi
skolodya@ubuntu:$ make love
not war

Daniel

Thou shalt not kill -9

8:28 PM

bahahahah

(had to do that)

There is no place like ~

kos

Ok...This sounds like the perfect moment to go to dinner. :)

Serg

8:30 PM

MEanwhile, I'll go get coffe and wil go to class . . . .python !

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg like my physics teacher said on the first lesson we had in high school (long time ago) "Not a single thing I will tell you this year is true"

Daniel

@Serg From Linus Torvalds : "Software is like sex: it's better when it's free".

Serg

@JacobVlijm very interesting . . . what exactly did he mean by that ?

Daniel

Oh wow

there's a command line version of xkcd: uni.xkcd.com

Jacob Vlijm

@Serg well, what he meant, as he explained, is that all we do is work with models, assumptions, which will never end to develop...

Daniel

8:34 PM

Jacob Vlijm

....Not what we understood :)

Daniel

YES
THIS ONE IS AWESOME

rm -rf /bin/laden

@Serg UNIX is basically a simple operating system, but you have to be a genius to
understand the simplicity.

OK, I need to get back to class

See you guys later (if you haven't muted me already)!

user139252

8:51 PM

I didn't get an error when I did rm -r /bin/laden

user139252

9:03 PM

@Zacharee1 Lurking?

Jacob Vlijm

@Rinzwind YAY... got it :)

user139252

9:18 PM

@JacobVlijm give me an idea for a Python script

Zacharee1

@TheBrownOne no

user136984

I think the flu is finally going! :)

user136984

Anyway, goodnight! :)

Seth

oh man, the latest xkcd is awesome

"That last LinkedIn request set a new record for the most energetic physical event ever observed. Maybe we should respond." "Nah."

user139252

@Seth I just read that myself :P

Daniel

9:53 PM

haha

that's good

Zacharee1

So Windows 10 has a feedback app:

Daniel

Windows 10 is actually pretty decent

Zacharee1

@Daniel No, it's not

It seems nice for the first half year or so

Daniel

It can run on as little as 256MB of RAM

Thomas W.

@Daniel not really sanely

Zacharee1

9:55 PM

But Windows 10 is slowly degrading over time

Thomas W.

it has been needing at least 2GB of RAM here, even with turning off graphics stuff

Daniel

No, but it will scale back its RAM usage so you can run heavier MC mods

Thomas W.

and yes, it's constantly degrading

Daniel

It's only getting better for me, but of course I have Enterprise...

Which is basically Windows 10 Pro on steroids

Zacharee1

I can't open a ton of programs, my boot time is over 5 minutes, taskbar icons constantly disappear, autohide is glitchy as hell

Daniel

9:56 PM

what's your system specs?

My boot time is always under a minute

And I have a dual-core 2.2GHz AMD Athlon x2 64, 3GB DDR2 800, and a Samsung 850 EVO SSD

Zacharee1

@Daniel 8GB DDR3, GTX 950M, 1TB 7200RPM HDD, 1080p FHD TN screen, Intel 4000

Daniel

with an R5 230 GPu

want to trade machines?

since mine runs fine?

Zacharee1

nah

I want Windows 7 :(

Daniel

Did it come with 10, or did you upgrade?

Zacharee1

@ThomasW. To be fair, Windows 10 does something like Ubuntu, where the System process reserves RAM for use in other programs.

Daniel

9:58 PM

Windows 10 tries to do as much as possible in advance

on some occasions it can be more efficient than XP

at least in my experiences

I'd venture to say that overall Windows 10 is the best of the worst series of operating systems out there

Zacharee1

@Daniel Windows 8.1>>upgrade>>boot broke itself (only OS)>>clean reinstall>>product key blocked>>10+ hours with support to get a new key>>worked well for about three months>>now it's broken

Daniel

That is, the best Windows out there

Zacharee1

777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777

7

Daniel

If you ever want to trade machines just let me know

Zacharee1

Mine cost me $900

I'm good :p

Daniel

10:00 PM

Mine cost me $90

Zacharee1

If you want to buy me a copy of Windows 7 Ultimate, that'd be nice :P

Daniel

and for some odd reason I'm getting more performance running the same software???

I've got Home Premium

but no Ultimate

Zacharee1

Can't do anything on Home Premium

Daniel

you can with DLL patches

Zacharee1

And I could also just pirate an Anytime Upgrade key :p

Daniel

10:01 PM

like the RDP patch

or use KMS Auto

Now one thing I would love is a better GPU

I mean, the most graphics intensive thing I play is StarMade, but I'm running on a 1GB R5 230

pitiful

I took a quiz

apparently I'm most like Kristoff

user139252

Kristoff who?

Daniel

from frozen...

the Disney movie

I feel like getting another star (true story): I was walking with a friend the other day. He asked me "Daniel, how come all your friends are girls, and they all seem to be interested in death, especially when it involves me?"

I told him "Well I figure it this way: The guys can't stand me, and most of the girls can't either. But the death women *love* me."

That's going to be my senior quote

Zacharee1

Win 7 Pro for $33: bonanza.com/listings/…

Mateo

I should flag that

Daniel

well that's fine and dandy, but my Windows 10 Enterprise key is good for practically infinite machines

user139252

10:08 PM

My birthday was in June, if anyone wants to buy me a late present.

Daniel

Why @Mateo?

Mateo

windows 7 keys?? why not?

Zacharee1

@Mateo 7 is amazing

Daniel

because you purchase them. Just as if it were from Microsoft

Mateo

aka, flag as spam ;P

Daniel

10:09 PM

meh, it's less spam more comversation

because he's not affiliated with them

Zacharee1

@Mateo ◔_◔◔_◔◔_◔◔_◔◔_◔◔_◔◔_◔◔_◔

Mateo

or piracy, I doubt that site is legit ;P

user139252

@Daniel Did you hear the one about the guy who didn't know what a joke was? :P

Daniel

no

I didn't

Zacharee1

@Mateo that site is legit

user139252

10:11 PM

Well, his life was very boring.

Daniel

pity

Zacharee1

@TheBrownOne you get 500 "◔_◔"

user139252

Indeed.

Mateo

wink wink ;) ;) - ;P

Daniel

OK, let's assume for the purposes of the question I'm about to ask that I am part Jedi, or at least have a high degree of ESP (because I legit do)

Should I or should I not change my profile pic to Qui-gon Jinn?

Mateo

10:12 PM

it's also why nothing got flagged - and moderators didn't descend down ;P

user139252

IMGUR IS NO LONGER BLOCKED ON MY WORK NETWORK!

Daniel

O_O

user139252

I CAN SEE IMAGES POSTED IN CHAT AGAIN! :D

Daniel

!refresh(page)

well, I guess I'll have to wait a bit for my new pic to propagate through the system

Mateo

about an hour I think

Daniel

10:17 PM

why so long ^?

Mateo

chat has to refresh from the main user profiles - it only does it so often

Daniel

hmph

I'm considering saying this to a particular lady friend of mine:

Roses are Red, Violets are Blue

BOTH ARE USELESS, GO PLANT SOME WHEAT!!!

user139252

That's not a very nice thing to say :(

Mateo

found that out when a certain user made the threshold to chat - and was crazily posting, with no mod in site - a downvote took him back down to not have enough rep to chat - but it takes too long to refresh the information

Zacharee1

@Mateo lol

Daniel

10:20 PM

naw, she'd laugh @TheBrownOne

Zacharee1

Who was this user?

Daniel

The one who must not be named

Mateo

cant remember

Daniel

@TheOneWhoMustNotBeNamed do you even exist?

Mateo

someone random

Daniel

10:21 PM

I was bored about a year ago: www.km4ayu.com/HPT.com

woops

km4ayu.com/HPT.html

there

Anyways I need to go

I'm supposed to tutor a student or two, so I'll ttyl!

mkdrive2

10:37 PM

Hello, could someone please add this to the following question: http://askubuntu.com/questions/65951/how-to-disable-the-touchpad
sudo apt-get remove xserver-xorg-input-synaptics

I can't do it myself, because I don't have enough reputation.

It is the only way to disable touchpad permanently that worked for me. The other ways were only temporary:

xinput set-prop IDOFTOUCHPAD "Device Enabled" 0
synclient TouchpadOff=1

I am using LXDE and I was not able to automatically disable the touchpad by adding these lines to ~/.config/lxsession/LXDE/autostart or /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart with…

Seth

@mkdrive2 are you running unity?

mkdrive2

No, like I wrote above I am running LXDE...

Seth

oops, missed that bit.

anyway, I've unprotected the question so you can answer it @mkdrive2 :)

mkdrive2

Oh, hey thanks!

Seth

no problem :)

user139252

10:44 PM

So, I'm playing Zork... and I get frustrated...

user139252

>eat self
Auto-cannibalism is not the answer.

Zacharee1

10:56 PM

@TheBrownOne Minceraft?

@TheBrownOne lol

hbdgaf

@TheBrownOne search grue

user139252

@Zacharee1 Minecraft is harder to hide in an open workspace :P

Zacharee1

:)

user139252

11:11 PM

@hbdgaf I'm already fairly far through the underground, but I accidentally got lost in the maze of twisty passages all alike.

user139252

downside to just using go e and go w instead of typing out the directions

user139252

You accidentally hit a w instead of an e and you might as well give up.

Zacharee1

I've been trying to make a 4-block jump in Minecraft for about 10 minutes now

I just realized that it's 4 blocks and 1/2 up

-_-

user139252

I have no plans for Valentine's day for the first time in 8 years :(

user139252

loneliness

Zacharee1

11:27 PM

your kid?

user139252

Her mom has her

user139252

Her real mom, as my ex likes to put it

Zacharee1

Whoa

Are you her birth mother?

user139252

It's not physically possible for me to be anyone's birth mother.

user139252

...You are aware of my situation, right?

Zacharee1

11:32 PM

no?

user139252

Well, as I was pretty sure everyone knew, you should know, too :P

user139252

I wasn't always a Heather. I was born a Donald.

Zacharee1

Oh

That makes sense now

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So I have 2008 Dell latitude e5400 laptop. It can be very slow and I am looking for a balanced OS to put on it. I have been using XFCE based ubuntu. I tried installing LXDE based debian on it today only to have it fail. I would like to try again but I had this idea in mind: Would I have a more e...

Zacharee1

Your ex sounds like a real nice person :/

user139252

11:34 PM

My ex was married to me for 5 years, we had our kid, she always said she supported me and said things wouldn't change as I was going through my counseling

user139252

When I finally made the decision to transition last year, she decided she couldn't be with me

Zacharee1

wow

user139252

It's alright, though. Her and I had quite a few differences that made it hard to be together, anyway. She liked the thermostat at 78, I need it at 65. She wasn't a huge fan of video games, I liked to play quite a few. Things like that

Zacharee1

yeah

user139252

11:51 PM

Now, I get to keep the house as cold as I like, more of my money goes to my interests, and I get to be true to myself :D

Zacharee1

:D

Mateo

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