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8:00 PM
Right, but it will alienate some in the process, they have a fine line to tread
 
@MarcoCeppi only wish I could get it working on my machine
 
@ajmitch sudo apt-get remove banshee && sudo apt-get install rhythmbox ?
Or am I being too obtuse/missing something?
 
@MarcoCeppi you're missing something
 
I guess I'll google around
 
@MarcoCeppi the problems have been around the revenue sharing & subsequent responses of the role of the community
 
8:03 PM
Oh, that doesn't interest me too much as I'm not in the loop and don't expect any money. Probably why I haven't heard of it
It's a shame such a disagreement exists
 
@ajmitch I have a question for you. Would you agree that Canonical did good job with promoting Ubuntu?
 
@OctavianDamiean Yes they have done well with that
 
@ajmitch right. The point is they apparently know how to increase Ubuntus popularity. They are attracting new users.
 
@MarcoCeppi No money anyone would think your doing this for the FUN of it ;)
 
other companies behind other distributions don't really manage to do that to the extent Canonical does
so they of course need more money as they invest way more money on that
 
8:07 PM
Of course, but just because they are good at promoting Ubuntu as a standalone brand with few references to upstream projuects doesn't mean that unilateral decisions should be made - there have been plenty of breakdowns in communication on both sides
 
a solely community driven project is quite slow and ineffective due to a) lack of money and b) lack of consensus (not always but quite often)
@ajmitch I agree with you that there should have been discussions about that, which is also what Mark states in his blog
 
@ajmitch It looks like they came to a decent compromise
 
@MarcoCeppi it still looks like a "Here's our proposal, if you don't like it, we'll take all", based on the latest comments from Mark. How accurate that perception is, I don't know
 
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Q: Use my Ubuntu laptop as a – compatible – accespoint for my NDS

MoodSo I have: 1 NDS, 1 laptop running Ubuntu 10.10, 2 working wireless cards (1 build in and 1 dongle). I would like to set up a WEP connection between the laptop and the DS then use the other wireless card to connect the laptop to the internet. So I can go online with my DS. What I’ve tried so far...

What is an NDS?
sorry to barge into such an interesting conversation like that, I'd join in - but I haven't done my homework :P
 
This is why they hire rockstars like @JorgeCastro to deal with the community ;)
it's ok, I should shut up now :)
 
8:12 PM
@ajmitch well I think it is ok to talk about that and we are just discussing it, not arguing you don't have to stop hehe
 
waits for the heavy hand of @JorgeCastro to come down and smite
 
shrug things are fine with banshee
 
@StefanoPalazzo Nintendo ds
 
everything else is just other people making things up
 
@ajmitch people always do that just before the interesting argument begins :P
 
8:14 PM
@JorgeCastro lot of blogs to fill
 
@Allan Uh, of course :| thanks (:
 
My biggest problem with Banshee is it's the default - but that's pretty easy for me to fix with aptitude
 
@StefanoPalazzo not that I have one of course just watch the escapist magazine
 
I can't believe I wasn't following stackubuntu on twitter ...
 
@OctavianDamiean my twitter account got hijacked for jewelery advertising :(
 
8:16 PM
@Allan nice! :D
did you have many followers?
 
@JorgeCastro problem is, perceptions of what's happened is almost as important as what actually is agreed on :)
 
@OctavianDamiean 727 now!!!
 
@ajmitch luckily we don't design operating systems based on perceptions!
 
@JorgeCastro from a packaging point of view, I'd be interested to find out why a number of active MOTUs end up migrating to working directly on Debian (a good thing in itself)
@JorgeCastro no, but you do try & engage the community, which relies on that
 
I'd say the community's perception of Ubuntu is based on things like "this awesome new music-player" and "neat new dash that helps me organise my stuff", the few developers who have a stake in the banshee issue read up on what's happening, and rationally evaluate it afterwards.
 
@JorgeCastro trying to distract me? ;)
 
I doubt the current compromise is enough reason for anyone to leave, really
 
@JorgeCastro registered at uds-o
 
I still haven't applied for sponsorship for UDS, I don't think I should do so :)
 
oh @popey's uupc banner looks great :O
 
8:26 PM
it does
 
fits their new brilliant looking website very well :)
 
@StefanoPalazzo nice
 
oh yea @StefanoPalazzo want me to update the quickly banner or do want to do that yourself?
 
@OctavianDamiean you do it, so the answer's revision history reflects attribution
 
8:29 PM
it should take less than an hour for the cache to catch up to it
 
@StefanoPalazzo mind you that window control change to the left I was about to go back to windows (:
 
hehe
it made me install Ubuntu on my second laptop which was previously running fedora :PPP
 
switching between left & right is a big pain - i totally can understand every dual-booter that freaked out
 
It just made me happy as I used to install programs on Windows to do just that :D
 
you can do that on windows? guess everyone wants a little bit of mac magic :D
 
8:33 PM
@htorque psssss
 
@htorque Experiamus
Hogwarts class of 88
 
Expelliarmus?
 
Google says you mean expelliarmus
damn ninjad
 
i'm not into that harry potter thing :D
 
Google is apparently
 
8:49 PM
man I'm really worried ... I think I'm doing this the wrong way around. First programming language I learned was PHP, then Java, at school I was scratching the surface of C++ and now I want to learn C++ and C
shouldn't it actually be the other way around?
like from low-level to high-level?
 
@OctavianDamiean post grad Binary?
 
@Allan well not that low-level but I did that too in school actually
just never the steps in between binary and PHP :D
 
@OctavianDamiean you know I don't see the code anymore I see.......... ;)
 
Aside from a Pasebin, where can I host an SVG file?
Something that doesn't go out of business tomorrow would be awesome
 
8:53 PM
@StefanoPalazzo dropbox
 
I don't have a dropbox account
but that reminds me, I can use Ubuntu One can't I
 
@StefanoPalazzo or image shack I think
 
it seems I can't use Ubuntu One :\
 
@StefanoPalazzo Yes, you can use Ubuntu One
 
8:55 PM
and is pasebin french for dropbox ;D
 
@StefanoPalazzo If you give me a second could make you an svg dump on one of my servers
 
Uh I can't use paste.ubuntu either :\
says "PHP and other Web scripts are not allowed"
 
@StefanoPalazzo So that includes SVG?
 
@MarcoCeppi at least that's what the code thinks :)
 
@StefanoPalazzo have you tried removing the XML definition?
just a wild guess
 
that's not very practical then, it's a pain for the recipient to save it as it is
 
@StefanoPalazzo well he'll just have to add the definition back in
 
list of svg image hosts at inkscape forum
 
the site doesn't load for me, o.o
 
good night guys
 
9:00 PM
bye @OctavianDamiean
 
@OctavianDamiean night
 
Welcome to another edition of Forums are Awesome
@MarcoCeppi I missed that, what do you mean by "an svg dump"?
 
@StefanoPalazzo I'm actually about 5 mins away from done, and I'll show you
Awesome, it works. Okay just one more thing - a little .htaccess magic
 
@StefanoPalazzo sounds very detailed and easily scalable 0.o
 
(:
Im my experience "a little .htaccess magic" usually means "a stonking great .htaccess problem" ;-)
 
9:20 PM
nothing against the beautiful hell of mod_rewrite ;D
 
I've heard about a software that can convert mac programs to linux. But I can't remember anything else...
anyone else heard or can belive that it works/exists?
 
@Alvar I'm going to be brave and say, that's completely impossible - for now :)
 
i'm sure it's an *.exe and it's available via rapidshare or torrent
 
@htorque that made no sense!
 
"you have to turn off your antivirus software, else it won't work as good"
 
9:23 PM
@StefanoPalazzo well I heard of a beta that could convert the code and that was a couple of years ago..
 
Okay - for now you don't get htaccess magic.
 
@Alvar what sort of code?
 
@StefanoPalazzo Sorry I know it sounds like a joke and all that, but I can make universe programs that are designd to run under linux run under mac
 
@MarcoCeppi qed :D
 
9:25 PM
oh @Marco, once again you're a rock star
 
like htop
 
Now make it financially viable (:
 
it takes .deb files too :D
 
so It isn't that much of a dream...
 
9:26 PM
@htorque not to run a universe in a terminal?
 
The requested URL /stefano/files/4d7941d0776a7.deb was not found on this server.
:(
 
@htorque Mm, not an exacutable hoster, yet let me add that really quickly - how big was that deb?
 
If it would work to make mac os x software, convert to linux then linux would be waaaaay more intresting...
 
@Alvar that's because OSX is UNIX+a bunch of other stuff
 
@ajmitch I know!
 
9:27 PM
@Alvar so, let me try to explain
 
@Alvar the 'other stuff' is usually not implemented on Linux systems
 
@MarcoCeppi ~2.5 mb
 
@ajmitch true..
 
@htorque Odd, one second.
 
though there are projects like GNUStep which implement a few of the required libraries
 
9:28 PM
some software is inherently cross-platform. For example, when you program in ANSI C, you're using a bunch of functions that are defined in the C Standard Library. Both Linux and Mac OS have one of those, and they are designed to behave the same
It's exactly the same with python, and other languages
(this is applicable to htop)
 
@ajmitch okay, but there are code converters today, adobe just realized a beta of their flash/html5
 
But software often depends on things that are specific to the operating system, like Cocoa - the macs graphics toolkit thing
"code conversion" is almost never done anywhere
 
@htorque I just need to find a 2.5 mb file....
 
@StefanoPalazzo okay, I know it sound too good to be true, but still..
 
I don't think that GNUStep implements much of Cocoa, at least not a lot of the recent stuff that apps depend on
 
9:30 PM
@MarcoCeppi Music? mp3?
 
Good call, thanks!
 
@MarcoCeppi me? :O
 
hey, i have an idea: let's make a java-based os! runsforhislife :D
 
Yeah, it capped out around 2MB need, need to adjust the server settings
 
@htorque hehehe, that would be awesome, but a bit slow...
 
9:31 PM
@Alvar The way Wine works is to fool the program into thinking it's running on Windows. I.e. when the program calls the Windows function to draw a box on the screen, it's really Linux software that draws the box. But the program only cares about the right return value (much simplified)
But the software is never converted, you don't even have access to the source code.
 
@htorque you can download Android over that way ---->
 
@htorque for my project in school I programmed a java cookbook :D (it was a simple read/write to file with some functions, kind of cool..
 
@htorque Try again
 
@htorque there was one wasn't there?
or maybe just a desktop
 
@htorque I would probably be more like "oracle os" :P
 
9:34 PM
@MarcoCeppi seems to work
 
what is that?!
 
@htorque awesome. Now that it works I'm going to modify the hell out of
 
↑ the "looking glass" desktop, written in Java
 
cooooooooooooooool
 
9:35 PM
@MarcoCeppi just make sure you don't end up hosting weird stuff for weird people
 
can I get one?
@htorque +1
 
with it, you could "Flip windows around" and write something on the back
totally pointless, utterly brilliant (: Those were the days
 
@StefanoPalazzo I love it!
 
@htorque Eh, right now you guys are the only ones who know it.
 
@StefanoPalazzo yeah, did it actually exist?
 
9:36 PM
Of course, I even installed it
 
@StefanoPalazzo I want one, I want one, I want one!!!!! :)
@StefanoPalazzo download link!!!
 
it crashed all the time and it was painfully slow :P
 
what os are supported?
 
hehe
 
@htorque it was a research project, no more that that
 
9:37 PM
@StefanoPalazzo my dream world! :d
 
@Alvar linux and solaris, If I remember right, I tested it on solaris
 
@StefanoPalazzo cooooooooooooooooooool
@StefanoPalazzo I really want ot try this, it should be in 11.04 instead of unity! ;)
 
Project Looking Glass is a now inactive free software project under the GPL to create an innovative 3D desktop environment for Linux, Solaris, and Windows. It was sponsored by Sun Microsystems. Looking Glass is programmed in the Java language using the Java 3D system to remain platform independent. Despite the use of graphics acceleration features, the desktop explores the use of 3D windowing capabilities for both existing application programs and ones specifically designed for Looking Glass. There is a Live CD available from Project Looking Glass. The Looking Glass environment is also ...
 
@Alvar eye roll
 
@MarcoCeppi unity 10.10 sucked so it would beat that ;)
 
9:38 PM
dems' fightin' words
 
Sun's Ubuntu repositories for Looking Glass are down, predictably
 
@StefanoPalazzo so is there a back way? does someone have a copy?
it would make my day :D ;)
 
sure, it's no harder than double-clicking a deb file
If I could find it :P
 
for some reason I can't play this video in chrome/mac strange...
@StefanoPalazzo search! like you have never searched before!
This guy is my new hero! screw steve jobs, this will change MY world if i can find it...
 
9:44 PM
I can't find it @Alvar, sorry
 
> ...is a now inactive free software project...
 
but Why not Ask on the Oracle JavaDesktop mailing list :PPP
 
@StefanoPalazzo have you got one?
 
I'm only joking :)
 
@StefanoPalazzo aaaaaaaah
 
9:46 PM
@MarcoCeppi unfortunately, that only means they have to provide the source code free of charge, if you have a binary copy
 
@StefanoPalazzo I was highlighting the inactive part
 
that doesn't work @Alvar
 
I'm going for it!
@StefanoPalazzo aha
 
oh I see @Marco :)
@Alvar plus it will mess up your configuration
 
9:47 PM
@StefanoPalazzo aha, so i need to run a virtual version first?
 
ono, that was what I was talking about earlier, notice this line:
deb http://javadesktop.org/lg3d/debian testing contrib
it's the repository sun provided for ubuntu and debian, and the URL is no longer available
 
@StefanoPalazzo okay thanks! :D just got the link from my java teacher! :D
 
sun party poopers!
 
it's not worth the trouble anyway,
it's pretty bad :) (though it was ahead of its time)
 
it looks like an early compiz beta
 
9:50 PM
CAN I start a question here on askubuntu? if where I can find it andhow I can install it?
@StefanoPalazzo I DON'T CARE!
@StefanoPalazzo My favorite game of all time is command & conquer 1 that's it!
 
huh, well If you care about it enough to keep up with your question, edit it and so on, yeah sure, Ask it
 
my server is a power mac g3 (300 mhz cpu 400 mb ram)
 
I guess, I'm not sure :) maybe it gets closed
 
that's why I asked here first, if i could...
 
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A: Ideas for my MSc project and Google Summer of Code 2011

AllanPersonally I Would check out brainstorm.ubuntu.com for some Ideas of a program sized hole in Ubuntu that would fit your requirements. My own suggestion for something cool (not a programmer) would be to create a torrent based package management system making it almost impossible to have problems ...

 
9:52 PM
steadies his closing finger
 
@MarcoCeppi can I ask it? and you wont close it?
"Sir, do I have permission to speak?"
 
@Alvar I think it's on topic - that was more sarcasm than fact
 
the future of package management you saw it here!! ;)
 
I'm pessimistic of it getting an answer though
 
@MarcoCeppi and you didn't see the sarasm in my sir question? ;)
@MarcoCeppi my middle name SHOULD be ironi, that would be cool
@MarcoCeppi yeah probably...
 
9:54 PM
@Alvar Plus, us moderators don't decide what questions to close - there are guidelines for that which get defined and refined by the whole community
 
@StefanoPalazzo ok, so it is on topic and it can be answerd?
 
@StefanoPalazzo Sorry, I just broke your link :( the path is now hour45.com/files/4d7941a7a0f06.svg
 
I just need a copy of it...
 
It can definitely be answered, you're only looking for a package
@MarcoCeppi no worries
I needed it for this, by the way:
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A: Is there an askubuntu button I can put on my site?

Stefano PalazzoThere aren't any official ones. In case they're any use, I made these for you: You probably want to change it, so here's the SVG Version of it.

 
cooooool :)
 
9:56 PM
I feel like I'm losing my mind - all my rewrite rules should be completely fine - but they just aren't working.
 
I expected this would have a bunch of answeres, all of which better than mine :P
 
Options +FollowSymlinks

RewriteEngine on
RewriteBase /
RewriteRule ^stefano/files/(.*)$ /files/$1
I mean, that appears to be a valid rewrite rule for old path to new path
 
@StefanoPalazzo I'm making some too :)
 
ohlolol
 
@MarcoCeppi ?
 
9:59 PM
nope, even dumber
My mistake with the rewrite rule
 
I think this si a good start...
Hi,
I really REally want to find this package beacuse after seen the youtube clip it's just one of those things I must have done before I die.
 
@Alvar Sounds like a question from roland ;)
 
making it sound better, checking spelling etc
 
@Alvar maybe something like "I want to install 'Project Looking Glass', but the official repositories are not accessible anymore. How can I install it?"
 
@StefanoPalazzo also a good candidate...
 
10:02 PM
hahah, man it helps if you name the file .htaccess not .htacces
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or "Where can I find the right package, and how do I install it?"
lol Marco :D
 
@MarcoCeppi always the small things ;)
 
Now to make the upload form pretty, add a cute little password, and walk away forever
 
@StefanoPalazzo And you cant get away with saying something embarrassing because someone will star it
 
indeed :D
 
10:09 PM
I never get this! Human Verification
soo
what do you think? did I fail? if i did pelase tell em and let me correct it!
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Q: Where can I find package "project looking Glass"? ("The java os")

AlvarHi, I really really want to find this package. Because after I saw the youtube clip I realized it's just one of those things I must have done before I die. This tutorial would be great if the repository were online. My question is: Where can I find the file, and how can I install it without c...

 
Okay, hour45.com is done - you may all enjoy
 
so I'm back!
my dad wanted the mac pro back...
If this works then I must find the source code and finish it ;) ( I wish)
 
@Alvar no worries, your question is very good. I've made two tiny changes, hopefully helpful
 
@StefanoPalazzo coool thanks! :D
 
@MarcoCeppi It needs a logo, preferrably done in SVG and rendered poorly in modern browser (:
 
10:19 PM
@StefanoPalazzo and thanks for the up vote! hope there will be more of those!
 
@MarcoCeppi hmmm obviously all the complexity is in the background (only kidding)
 
@StefanoPalazzo Well I'm going to dash it with some CSS when I get home
@Allan It's written in Fortran 77
 
@StefanoPalazzo java desktop of course, it's not an os, stupid me... Just beacuse htorq talked about a java os...
 
@Alvar More of a Quest than an Question !!
 
@Allan I will never stop searching! ;)
 
10:21 PM
@Alvar You will have to kill 10 of something to get it ;)
 
Wow, it's...perfect
I actually used the starburst as a logo origainally
 
@MarcoCeppi I swear that said 47 0.o
 
@Allan ehm what? sorry didnät get that...
 
10:22 PM
you see! good design is just a matter of choosing the right font
 
what is hour45.com???
 
Back when there was color in the applet bar
 
@StefanoPalazzo hope thats not comic sans
@MarcoCeppi another.....
 
@Allan it is indeed, you can't go wrong with Comic Sans (it's so popular, it must be good)
 
@Alvar It's now just a place to dump files for whoever needs a non-metered simple file host. It was a failed attempt at a production company for a collective I'm a part of
 
10:23 PM
@Allan I will do anything to get my hands of a file and the source code! I LOVE IT!
 
Started in Aug 2007, ended in Oct 2007 :)
 
@MarcoCeppi So if I found a working version for linux of java desktop culd I upload it there?
or is there a limit?
 
5MB at the moment. If you can give me a good reason I would consider raising it.
 
the most important thing with an image hosting service, IMO, is that it's still there in two years time
 
Well I've had this server since 2002 and it's not going anywhere
Not to mention it's one of hundreds at my fingertips :)
 
10:26 PM
so If you can just make sure you do that that would be greeeat, k?
 
@MarcoCeppi well if I found a version of java dsktop would you consider to upload that? for bakup or maybe distrubution?
 
@Alvar Mmmm, that goes against a few fundamentals. Like: It's java.
All jokes aside, depending on the size I would definitely consider it :P
 
@MarcoCeppi cool, but I'm not really shore if I can find a version, and even though if I can make it work....
 
The problem you're going to have - is it'll likely be upwards of 100 packages to make the entire DE
 
10:29 PM
@StefanoPalazzo You could say the same thing about windows ;)
 
Someone should ask how to install Gnome 1.0, and KDE 1.0
I would, but I <s>can't be bothered</s> don't have time to keep up with the questions
 
Time to find my way home.
 
@MarcoCeppi god speed
 
@Alvar It has a link to a subversion repository (which is a thing where you can check in source code files, not the same as a debian repository for your packages). but, you guessed it, it's a 404 - Not Found
 
10:34 PM
this is so lame, I've found a software that I loves but I can't use it! tragic!!!
 
Hi all :)
 
Hi Takkat! :D
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Q: Where can I find a package for "project looking Glass"? ("The Java desktop")

AlvarHi, I really really want to find this package. Because after I saw the youtube clip I realized it's just one of those things I must have done before I die. This tutorial would be great if the repository were online. My question is: Where can I find the file, and how can I install it without c...

 
evening @Takkat
 
that is my future
if I can find it...
 
Hi @StefanoPalazzo Hi @Alvar
@Alvar Did you try out the Live CD?
 
10:36 PM
@Takkat what live cd?
 
@Alvar check again in a few days, in the meantime, update the question when ever you have new information. Everytime you update it, it gets bumped to the front page
make sure it's good though, and easy to read and all that jazz.
 
@Alvar the one linked to in the wikipedia article you linked to.
 
@StefanoPalazzo I know keep it easy to read...
 
@Takkat that's a dead link as well
Sun seem to have swept this one under the rug, while no one was looking
 
10:40 PM
Wow nice, Very good find!
 
@StefanoPalazzo sad.. I read in the History, and apple try to sue sun for it, and then they put it to sleep,,,
@Takkat OMG OMG OMG!!!! YOU HAVE SAVED MY DAY! so how do I run it now?
 
@Alvar oh this i wouldn't know.
 
@Takkat stefano might...
 
@Alvar this is not a package that you can install on Ubuntu, it's a Live CD, i.e. you can burn it to a disk and boot your computer from it
like you did with the Ubuntu CD :)
 
@Alvar I just try it. Seems to run in Vitual Box :)
 
10:43 PM
aha, I will try it with my usb stick...
what is virtual box?!
 
virtualbox, even better
 
well sort of. Must find out what graphic card it needs. Runs on Flux :/
 
so what do I need?
is there a toturail of some sort?
 
@Alvar virtualbox gives you a "virtual computer" on your desktop, you can find it here: apt.ubuntu.com/p/virtualbox-ose-qt
 
could you post it as an answer?
http://askubuntu.com/questions/29844/where-can-i-find-a-package-for-project-looking-glass-the-java-desktop
You don't seem to be running Ubuntu
@StefanoPalazzo You don't seem to be running Ubuntu
 
10:46 PM
@Alvar no there will be no tutorial on this planet or elsewhere. It's stuck at the moment somewhere. If I manage to run it I tell you :)
 
@Alvar this link just opens the software centre. Open the software-centre and search for Virtual Box, you'll see
virtualbox.org also has a manual
 
tsss
@StefanoPalazzo thanks :D
 
you're quite welcome
hey another semester of university is just over, more time to communitise the community ;)
 
hahaha :D
studying half time... :D
 
exactly
 
10:51 PM
if this works this will be a day to celebrate forever! :D ;)
 
HA, congrats for pundit @MarcoCeppi
 
installling virtual box..
 
i gave it a little push after finding data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/s/945/my-top-ranked-comments :D
 
@htorque man dude
launcher in small mode is AWESOME
 
@Alvar I need to dissapoint you. The Virtual Box graphic driver is not supported from the live CD. Tried several setting but eventually X or even VBox crash. Too bad :/
 
10:54 PM
@JorgeCastro definitely!
if i had known before that we would be able to resize it, i would have bought my laptop with a 1920x1080 panel :D
 
@Takkat can I try to boot as a livecd from a usb stick? can that work?
 
I must be off, it's really late ;)
see you all (:
 
Bye @StefanoPalazzo
 
cya
 
@StefanoPalazzo bye! thanks man! :D
it's almost midnight here in sweden...
virtual box is taking forever to install gah!!
 
10:57 PM
@Alvar Booting from USB or CD you can try out. Good luck. Hope your graphic card does better than the VBox one.
 
@htorque well it wasn't on the DX team's plate but we won't turn down someone doing it!
 

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