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Octavian Damiean

3:00 PM

what?

Marco Ceppi

Chrome has stopped loading css and js files from or.sstatic.net

So weird, I can get to it fine in Firefox

Jorge Castro

my chrome is sad tab city since the update

Marco Ceppi

Well I'm on a Mac so I can't blame Natty...Just Jobs.

Jorge Castro

ok so I am starting to get convinced that sending people to brainstorm is the new LMGTFY

Stefano Palazzo

As we found out earlier, I'm rubbish at design. Nevertheless :)

Jorge Castro

3:09 PM

@StefanoPalazzo ooh, needs one fix

Defining the Ocelot or something like that

Marco Ceppi

@StefanoPalazzo Better than I was going to do

I was just going to have a giant mountain

Stefano Palazzo

rendering is a bit off too

Any more suggestions? Does "Defining Ocelot" sound okay?

Jorge Castro

let me think

let's see what's on the page

Stefano Palazzo

I could do "Defining the Oneiric Ocelot", but at a smaller font size

Jorge Castro

yeah

3

Q: Migrating to Natty (or any other future versions of ubuntu)

I am hoping that this question would help other ubuntu users when migrating to a newer version of ubuntu. This should have all the info that they need. So please when you answer try to phrase them into points for easy understanding. I understand that some questions that I ask might have been aske...

wow, why are people upvoting this question!

Octavian Damiean

3:20 PM

@StefanoPalazzo dude that is amazing!

I love it!

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean thanks, it's mostly a rip-off of the uds website (:

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro cause they don't understand the idea behind SE

@StefanoPalazzo cool nonetheless. Can you provide me the xcf of your Quickly ad?

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean No, like I said I ruined it by pressing Ctrl+Z a bunch of times, then cutting something instead of copying it

Octavian Damiean

whee Joey seems to like my work OMG! Ubuntu! Bookmark app

@StefanoPalazzo oh ok then I'm going to recreate it

I'd just need to know where you have the code background from

Stefano Palazzo

just a screenshot of some random code on my desktop, hang on a sec

sorry this is the best I can do with the stuff I have left :\

Octavian Damiean

3:25 PM

awesome! thanks

thats perfect

Jorge Castro

hey there's a bunch of design stuff available

design.canonical.com/brand

Octavian Damiean

@JorgeCastro ah damn you've ninjad me

loves that site

Stefano Palazzo

Any more Ideas?

rendering is good now :)

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo now move the Defining Oneiric Ocelot a bit up and alls fine

well actually the entire lower text block

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean removing the dots?

Octavian Damiean

3:30 PM

@StefanoPalazzo no no just move the text up

Jorge Castro

woo!

Yi Jiang

The font size could be slightly smaller to give the most important part a little more negative space

Octavian Damiean

@YiJiang indeed

but not too small

Yi Jiang

Is 'Defining Oneiric Ocelot' the name/theme of the summit?

Stefano Palazzo

@YiJiang no, it's just my extreme summary of the introductory paragraph on the website

Looks wrong if I move the text up, there's now lots of white under the text and dots above it

and too few of them

Jorge Castro

3:33 PM

you know

nevermind.

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo then just make the text smaller, the location I mean

Jorge Castro

I was thinking, just dropping the oneric thing would make it just be more upfront

but nevermind

Roland Taylor

D:

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro I don't mind if you keep me busy changing it :)

Roland Taylor

doing that, would bring the wrath of the Jobsian Army upon us!

Stefano Palazzo

3:35 PM

I know I can't do a good job alone

Roland Taylor

I think Mac has an Ocelot in the works (I read that somewhere)

Yi Jiang

@StefanoPalazzo Perfect!

Roland Taylor

@StefanoPalazzo awesome :D

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo I second that

Roland Taylor

@OctavianDamiean first!

o.o oops

Octavian Damiean

3:40 PM

meh

Roland Taylor

lol

Octavian Damiean

eww now with attribution :) chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/…

Roland Taylor

I just had to do that

Octavian Damiean

install it go go go!

Roland Taylor

aw :( I'm on firefox :(

Yi Jiang

3:42 PM

@OctavianDamiean Eh, what benefit does that have over a bookmark?

Octavian Damiean

@YiJiang a nice huge icon nothing else :D

Stefano Palazzo

0

A: Community Promotion Ads - 1H 2011

Octavian Damiean

@YiJiang some prefer the bookmark bar others the new tab page

Stefano Palazzo

↑ make your voice heard ;)

I should probably tell Rick Spencer that we're going to send a bunch of users to his blog

Roland Taylor

who nice :D

Jorge Castro

3:45 PM

@StefanoPalazzo we should send them here: launchpad.net/quickly

or dude, developer.ubuntu.com/create

3

there would be perfect!

Stefano Palazzo

Oi

of course!

Octavian Damiean

is on the dots ETA between five minutes and end of this year

Roland Taylor

@JorgeCastro +1

Allan

should I "flag" a duplicate?

Roland Taylor

@Allan if you have enough rep you should cast a close vote

otherwise, flagging is fine

Stefano Palazzo

3:52 PM

@Allan yeah sure

Allan

@RolandTaylor k don't you need 2000 for voting

Stefano Palazzo

3000 even :)

hey at least you're very close to 2k → editing questions and answers \o/

Jorge Castro

@Allan if something is a blatantly obvious dupe I flag it and mention it

Allan

@StefanoPalazzo got a long way to go before I get a k after my rep :)

Jorge Castro

there's no way for people to be able to see what's been submitted as dupes until you hit 10k, so alot of it by hand. :-/

Stefano Palazzo

3:56 PM

We look at all flags quite carefully, so, if you make a mistake once in a while, flag something for the wrong reasons, that's totally okay. In general, people flagging stuff is awesome, and they do a good job at it

Roland Taylor

cool

Allan

Done

Roland Taylor

@JorgeCastro put a word in for me - Ubuntu 11.10 should be called Papercut Partridge :D

Stefano Palazzo

but then again, due to my time-zone, maybe I don't see the rubbish ones :P

Roland Taylor

aw I've got 2 votes left today :(

Stefano Palazzo

3:59 PM

hey, but normally you should be fine posting your possible dupe in the chat room, this way you'll get more than one opinion

Allan

@StefanoPalazzo I will do that next time.

Roland Taylor

blood-angel79.deviantart.com/art/…

nice....

Octavian Damiean

is that a stamp on a package?

Allan

@OctavianDamiean on wood

Roland Taylor

it looks awesome

Allan

4:06 PM

@RolandTaylor thanks did it after I installed Karmic

Octavian Damiean

@Allan oh ok. It looks very good indeed. The only small thingy the shadow on the stamp shouldn't be there

Allan

@OctavianDamiean I was originally going for the burned stamp like on a coffee packing box but I know people might see it a different way

@OctavianDamiean Been a while since I uploaded something to Deviant working on something for meta.askubuntu.com/questions/1051/…

Octavian Damiean

@Allan uh nice one, tell me when its up :)

Roland Taylor

\o/ - made my first feedback on the Ayatana mailing list... crowd goes wild?

Stefano Palazzo

sorry, I couldn't resist :P I'm kidding of course

Allan

4:14 PM

@RolandTaylor That Stefano guys really....... nice ;)

Roland Taylor

ROFL

I was originally gonna say crowd goes "who cares?"

but then... I decided to be nice to myself :D

Stefano Palazzo

@RolandTaylor can you link it up?

Roland Taylor

Idk :P I'd have to look for where it went (I only joined the list a few days ago)

Stefano Palazzo

lists.launchpad.net/ayatana the list is here, I can't find your thread

Roland Taylor

oh

I should be able to find it shortly

oh noes D:

where is it o.o

>.< pretends to panic

Allan

4:24 PM

@RolandTaylor the suspense is killing us

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro Posting community meetings and such is fine (Mod meeting)

Roland Taylor

:P if it didn't go through I'll just send the same feedback later - was just saying that the dock flipping idea is great, but would be confusing as a default for new users, so instead... (more was added but I'm lazy) ...and leave it as is for default :D

Stefano Palazzo

something has changed, either on askubuntu or in chrome, but fixed-width fonts now look even better for me

Jorge Castro

@MarcoCeppi on a related note Jin was around last night and commented on how the kbd tags could be made better. :)

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro I saw, I really REALLLLYYYY hope they don't become identical Apple kbd style

But that's just me

Octavian Damiean

4:33 PM

@MarcoCeppi not only you

Jorge Castro

actually I asked for apple style and he said no

heh

Marco Ceppi

Whew, I know that an improvement should be done though

Roland Taylor

rofl

htorque

:D

Marco Ceppi

I'm excited to see what he comes up with. He's really on top of his design stuff

Octavian Damiean

4:36 PM

@MarcoCeppi the problem is that Ubuntu doesn't have it's own keyboard thus not distinct keys :D

Stefano Palazzo

I wan't those :P

Octavian Damiean

actually we should get the DasKeyboard Ultimate keys :D

and their labels too

please press " " and " " :D

Marco Ceppi

Octavian Damiean

awesome!

Marco Ceppi

That should be the key design for english.se

Allan

4:42 PM

@StefanoPalazzo peek out, poke ?

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro the two ads you put up (zeitgeist and unity) are the wrong size

Jorge Castro

eh?

I copied them from the original meta.SO thread

Allan

@JorgeCastro yep commented

squashed

Stefano Palazzo

@Allan peek reads and poke writes the contents of a location in memory ;) (or rather it used to)

Jorge Castro

@StefanoPalazzo ugh, how off am I on them?

Allan

4:45 PM

@StefanoPalazzo back in the day

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro should be 220×250, is 220×220

Jorge Castro

ugh

I am in the middle of doing a unity thing, I guess delete them for now or something?

or if someone can add padding or something I would <3 them

Allan

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro I will, if you don't do it first, in a meeting right now

Octavian Damiean

5:00 PM

what do you think?

meh looking at it with another background than white I don't like it ....

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean I like the idea, but the dots don't work so well with the code behind them

plus I don't they they conform to the brand communication guidelines (not 100% sure on that)

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo yup ... working on another version :)

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean the 'Developer' dot-pattern is White dots on orange, 6mm apart IIRC

dots on dark-aubergine mean "enterprise"

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo its the other way around :)

Stefano Palazzo

is it?

Octavian Damiean

5:05 PM

Wide spaced dots
When communications are developer lead, or are aimed
at the developrer market, the widely spaced dots must
be used.

maybe I'm getting it wrong tho

Stefano Palazzo

heh yeah,

the developer pattern is wide spaced, → either ← white on the more vivid aubergine or white on orange

Jorge Castro

soon the design team will use AU

Stefano Palazzo

or even warm grey on white

Jorge Castro

so you can just ask them questions about the design guidelines

"How should I use the dots?" kind of stuff

Stefano Palazzo

very nice!

Allan

5:08 PM

@StefanoPalazzo where are the brand communication guidelines?

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro I've padded the Ads, I hope it doesn't break though - judging from how it currently looks, I've made the white space white at the top and grey at the bottom, should work for the moment

Octavian Damiean

@Allan design.canonical.com/the-toolkit

Jorge Castro

@StefanoPalazzo thanks!

Stefano Palazzo

you're welcome

Allan

@OctavianDamiean thanks Octavian ;)

Octavian Damiean

5:12 PM

Marco Ceppi

I love the play on words

Octavian Damiean

it didn't work that well with the dots so I decided to drop them ... however the orange header and footer have a pattern now and the get started ... text has a very light glow

Stefano Palazzo

@OctavianDamiean That's very nice! The word Quickly is a little too far to the right though, maybe one pixel, or two

Octavian Damiean

@StefanoPalazzo hmm just checked it is centered on the guideline but I can move it

Marco Ceppi

1

A: Community Promotion Ads - 1H 2011

has been fixed

Stefano Palazzo

5:15 PM

well, when it comes to text, you can't trust a computer :)))

Octavian Damiean

Stefano Palazzo

perfect!

it now has some really nice texture, much better

Octavian Damiean

filesize 60.5kB

Stefano Palazzo

the code in the background is release under the Microsoft Code Sharing License, so make sure to write that in bold, red text all across the image

:PPP

Octavian Damiean

oh lol

Stefano Palazzo

5:21 PM

I should really have used code that draws the image itself, that would have been fun

Octavian Damiean

is it just me or is the Libre Office Libre text blurred?

Stefano Palazzo

doesn't look blurred to me, just badly rendered

slightly off the pixel grid

Octavian Damiean

yea

Stefano Palazzo

I'm contemplating putting this up to see if it gets any down-votes :P

it's not really relevant to our community, though, maybe.. unfortunately :)

Jorge Castro

shrug

I think it's fine

though tbh

It would be better on meta.SO

so that it hits a programmer audience

htorque

5:35 PM

getting new applications is another topic - promote the software center! (or better: apt :D)

Jorge Castro

well

Jin had a good point last night

that if we ship something to users by default

why does it need an ad?

(Just something to think about)

htorque

because people don't know it's there

and it's even easier to not know about installed applications with unity

Octavian Damiean

hmm a featured applications thingy somewhere in Unity would be nice

htorque

but i agree that we shouldn't put up too many ads ;)

Octavian Damiean

scrolls through your most useful applications

Jorge Castro

5:37 PM

the app finding thing is almost finished

Octavian Damiean

doesn't know how one could determine the usefulness of an application :p

Jorge Castro

neil tells me the dash improvements today will fix a bunch of that

Allan

Should I register for UDS?

Jorge Castro

yes

it's the only way we know to get the right amount of food

Octavian Damiean

ouh almost forgot to tell my dad to register too :p

htorque

5:39 PM

what's the deadline for registration?

Jorge Castro

there isn't really one

there's a deadline for asking for sponsorship

March 28th iirc

Allan

@JorgeCastro attendance requested by? Brain or Heart?

Jorge Castro

just put something like "local ubuntu enthusiast, looking to participate!"

or something

Allan

@JorgeCastro I was ask**ed by **Ubuntu

Hmmm that could have come out better!!?

htorque

oh, unity 3.6.4 is there \o/

Greg

5:52 PM

so I've been using ubuntu for a couple of weeks now, very pleased now I've got photoshop working and all my apps installed

but there's still a few things that just don't make sense

mainly, why do I get asked 3 times for the keyring password when I restart?

Jorge Castro

oh that's on the site somewhere

it's a common issue unfortunately

Greg

and why it is impossible to resume without being asked for a password?

@JorgeCastro I don't mind about the keyrings really as I rarely cold-boot my machine... I sleep-resume

Jorge Castro

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Q: Unlock keyring promts three times instead one time

When I have "automatic login" activated, the "Unlock the Gnome Keyring" box asks for my password. But this happens three times. There are three boxes asking me for my password. In 10.04 the box appeared one time.

10.10 gnome login keyrings password

Greg

(I would hibernate if it wasn't so slow on ubuntu)

Jorge Castro

When prompted for one I just enter a blank one

and it says "use unsafe something something"?

Marco Ceppi

5:53 PM

Nooo! too slow

Jorge Castro

hmmm

the answers there aren't very HQ

Greg

@JorgeCastro my main gripe is why I am asked for my password when resuming from sleep?

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro Yeah, they really aren't. I'll fix that in a second

dibs dibs!

Jorge Castro

I think that's a security thing

so that if someone ganks your laptop they can't just log in

Marco Ceppi

@JorgeCastro Can't you fix that in the screensaver settings?

Jorge Castro

5:55 PM

yeah

Greg

@JorgeCastro yeah, if someone ganks my laptop then I've got bigger problems - WHY THE HELL ARE YOU IN MY HOUSE???

Jorge Castro

heh

Greg

I don't care that they have access to my hard drive

Jorge Castro

you can turn it off

Stefano Palazzo

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Q: Disable locking the screen after resuming from suspend

One thing I like for MacBooks is that they are usable within a second after opening their lid when they were on stand by. Ubuntu always requires me to enter my password when I resume from suspend, which can be very annoying. How can I disable this?

password suspend-resume

Jorge Castro

5:56 PM

actually, I don't think anyone's asked that question

oh, never mind

Stefano Palazzo

:)

Jorge Castro

I just set the thing for unsafe storage

and I never ever see keyring stuff

Stefano Palazzo

that answer doesn't seem to be up to snuff either :(

Jorge Castro

it seems affected by a bug

Greg

@StefanoPalazzo if I change settings in gconf-editor, do I have to restart for them to have effect?

Jorge Castro

5:58 PM

no

Stefano Palazzo

indeed bugs.launchpad.net/gnome-power/+bug/553646

Jorge Castro

they're instant apply

3

Q: How to disable GNOME keyring?

I want to disable GNOME keyring globally on my machine. So I deleted the lines auth optional pam_gnome_keyring.so session optional pam_gnome_keyring.so auto_start in /etc/pam.d/gdm. It seems to me that this has no effect. When I lock in the syslog writes Aug 24 18:37:03 fooba...

10.04 gnome keyrings disable

this one looks useful

2

A: Community Promotion Ads - 1H 2011

tee hee!

Octavian Damiean

uh that one looks good

didn't even know about that podcast :/

htorque

6:15 PM

wheel scrolling in the dash finally works :) dash blur is pretty slow, though (at least on intel)

Octavian Damiean

@htorque oh god you made me want to reboot ... I hope you're happy now ...

htorque

:D

just hope the dash will soon open up in fullscreen mode

i'd also like to see all items by default instead of having to expand them every time

Octavian Damiean

@htorque true that

reboots

htorque

just put all that into the experimental tab and i'm fine :D

Octavian Damiean

back

why on earth does the partial upgrade want to remove my beloved vim?

Jorge Castro

6:21 PM

@htorque I think it's supposed to remember what you choose

@htorque you grabbed the tarball I take it?

Marco Ceppi

@OctavianDamiean Because we voted, and decided emacs was better

:D

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi bah go away ...

:p

uh upgrade failed

htorque

6:36 PM

@JorgeCastro oh, i'll try again. no, i'm using trunk.

no, not remembered. maybe planned, but not yet working here.

Marco Ceppi

Just made a multi-threaded php application.

Octavian Damiean

has just found Torvalds master thesis reading mode on :D

Marco Ceppi

7:02 PM

Wow the developer portal looks great

I'm going to predict that by the next LTS Ubuntu will be double the size in popularity it is now.

Octavian Damiean

@MarcoCeppi hopefully

htorque

> bump

great bug comment

:D

Marco Ceppi

All I see is a run away locomotive that is Ubuntu just flying towards Awesome town

Jorge Castro

@htorque link?

htorque

@JorgeCastro bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/gnome-power-manager/+bug/…

Greg

7:14 PM

What software can be used to perform one-way-sync with my ipod classic?

Marco Ceppi

7:33 PM

@Greg Banshee and Rhythmbox both support this out of box.

A lot of your questions have likely already been answered on the site

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Q: Applications to replace iTunes for iPod synchronization?

I need to synchronise my iPod Nano (5th generation) with music and podcasts (video and audio). I can use Rhythmbox for music, but does not seem to work with Podcast. So, what application can I use to synchronize my podcats ? Edit : After a week of fight with my iPod Nano, i've definitively uni...