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7:00 PM
@Noctrine i just wanted to say that I 100% agree with your action and i take your side
 
single individuals shouldn't have the ability to alt-tab at 100mph and suspend anything w/o actually trying to observe the situation
 
PUPPY.
 
@AlexM. who is this Jon, and where did he put up a butt joke?
And which message were you suspended for?
 
why are you asking me this, you can see more than I can in this situation
 
7:03 PM
@AlexM. I can't, not until I know which user Jon is
And to see a deleted message I need the context of the message
 
@Jon <- this guy
 
nvm found it
 
... what has this room become.
 
Could I get an answer here? I'm trying to learn this but I can't figure out why I'm getting a InputMismatchException. It's a very n00b question, I'm sure any of you can tell me the answer in 0.00000008 ms.
 
I don't really have time for this so yeah
solve it among yourselves
cya
 
7:04 PM
@Jovito Usually it's best just to ask.
 
I did.
 
7 mins ago, by Jovito
why does nextDouble() raises an an InputMismatchException when I enter 2.5, it doesn't make any fucking sense
 
I scrolled up and saw that, woops.
 
thanks
 
@Jovito you didn't post your raw input data that's triggering the error
 
7:05 PM
Sounds like your input is more than just 2.5
Is it perhaps 2.5\n?
If you're using eclipse, I'm pretty sure Eclipse does not strip newlines which might cause an issue
 
If I enter a anything with a point in it it gives me that.
2.5, 12.3, 6.2, whatever
oh
@VaughanHilts yeah, maybe that's it
 
Otherwise, make a reproducable case on ideone.com
In case anyone is interested in forming a GameDev.SE team.
 
"Meet Team Yoloswag"
<super-bro picture>
<heartfelt-bro message>
Honestly, I really got a kick out of that
 
Slot car racing, woo.
 
I'd hate to lose to Yoloswag :(
 
7:12 PM
@Noctrine Nothing can be more humiliating.
 
#yoloSwagGameProgramming once you publish it, it's gone.
 
Well, if anyone is interested in seriously competing ping me.
2
 
god it's 3 pm and my eye lashes are sinking, too heavy; I am owl person and this day light is too much for my body to handle.
 
then you should probably consider a different career option
 
Or just grab a Red Bull
 
7:22 PM
REDBULL!
 
Or find a nice dark room to give you that night owl, screen-tan feeling.
 
Alas, screen tan in dark room sounds awesome but I live in flat apartment and my room's window is perfectly set up to deliver full spectrum of sunlight.
maybe I should consider option of choosing different career, being night Ninja comes at a cost :(.
 
My desk is light that. I'm considering building a sun / fluorescent blocking canopy around it.
 
I like my work area to be well lit
 
@AlexM. If he's not in this situation, then I am. Alex, stop playing dumb. @Noctrine, you should have suspended him for longer.
 
7:33 PM
@JohnMcDonald Generally I love the daylight, but I also love my eyesight, and my monitor might as well be a mirror.
 
At this point, y'all have no excuses for continuing this crap. @Noctrine, I trust you'll make sure this doesn't continue, with exponentially-increasing suspensions if need-be.
5
 
I don't know man. We were having fun chat.
then.. sigh
I don't understand why this should happen
 
The chatroom is meant to be fun, but ultimately also to serve the site. So it's subject to the rules that the rest of the site and network as a whole has.
 
No I am not talking about chat room. I think it hurts Alex that there's someone who can govern this space with rules. I don't think he's trying to "break" the rules. He did remove it. I get an impression that he just dislike the fact that there's supreme power here.
I think we can all be a big happy family if he just bends his attitude a bit.
 
7:50 PM
I agree to that
 
I am only here for about half a year now. It's still affecting my mood, @Noctrine You had been along from the beginning. Alex seemed like more so part of community. I dare to think, that this might hurt you as well, to see this.
or maybe not... maybe people come and play some bigger/smaller roles then they go swiftly as they came. This is, after all, internet life; there's no tangible obligation.
Man, this really drags my mood. What a day.
 
New subject then!
 
post some random stuff, naw!
 
I need to track down a black dry erase marker, crossing out red text with a red line just doesn't have the same feeling after refactoring.
 
Mobo showed up! :D
 
8:01 PM
out sourcing from /r/aww
"awww" that dog looks delicious. Summer is coming as well. There's saying in my country that nothing beats black dog soup.
 
We had summer yesterday, it was nice. 70+ degrees. unfortunately, snow and 33 today now.
Winter came quickly.
 
INCIDENT Y
 
"pieces": [
  {
    "length": 100.0
  },
  {
    "length": 100.0,
    "switch": true
  },
  {
    "radius": 200,
    "angle": 22.5
  }
]
how is that supposed to be parsed in strongly typed languages in to some object
 
Inconveniently
 
^ lel
 
8:09 PM
Much better
 
@Lasse I use Json.NET, and I think that should load just fine into a List<customObject>
 
the object just needs to have all the properties?
 
Well, it doesn't need to, but if you want the data: yes
 
I need the data, and I need to know in both cases which data of them I should use
 
grrr I never liked use of $ sigh sign. It just displeases my eyes so much.
 
8:13 PM
to lazy to write jQuery - also my spatial coordination is terrible on whiteboards :\
There is another column on the side of that one that has "Keep". The only thing on it is require.js though, but the jury is still out on it.
 
@BlueBug What if it's followed by a number?
 
@BlueBug since you may not know what Noctrine is mentioning: in jQuery, instead of writing $('#myThing').someFunc(), you can write jQuery('#myThing').someFunc()
 
@mmyers Still no, because higher the number, more it reminds me of all the tuition/loan I need to pay.
that was consecutive 4 pings, ouch my typos, sorry.
@JohnMcDonald yeah I see $ helps much, but still man, I feel like there must be better choice in terms of syntax than $ ಠ_ಠ. Maybe like "JQ"?
 
Pretty sure you can set up an alias
 
8:28 PM
?! that thought never came to me.
 
Actually... I'm pretty sure $ is an alias
1
Q: Making new alias for $ in jQuery — good or bad practice?

AntoxaGrayI decided to set alias for $, because dollar sign is hardly accessible on keyboard: $(function(){ var ff = $; ff('p').hide(); }); Now I use ff instead of $ everywhere. Is it considered good or bad practice?

 
#JohnMcDonald you just broke my mental boundary; I couldn't dare to think changing alias before for some reason even though I was aware that it was alias, I just couldn't fathom to have that notion.
 
:) yeah. Everything in javascript is pretty fluid
 
Which is awesome till it isn't.
 
Agreed
 
8:41 PM
 
omg, I need a bag:
^ That's the front-end for the software I've been supporting
 
I don't understand what you're telling us
I'm guessing that it's messy
 
Do you know what Framesets are?
 
yeah those old things Netscape thought would be a good idea
we don't use them anymore, right?
 
Yeah...
 
8:53 PM
ok
:)
 
So, we have Framesets inside framessets, inside framesets, inside a frameset
 
oh shit
right nested framesets
very bad indeed
www.needsmorejquery.com
 
heh, trying to USE jQuery inside this mess is what made me look at the source. Apparently jQuery will only work at the root DOM, and you need to tell it to go deeper yourself, like: $('h1', window.parent.frames[0].document).remove();
 
that abomination needs iframes
or, well, I can't know if it uses them actually
 
sounds like a recipe for disaster, John
 
9:15 PM
@VaughanHilts got team yet?
my team stats are here: helloworldopen.com/team/106
 
500W PSU is enough for a ~323W, right?
 
depends on the efficiency
but should be, yes
 
"should"
 
80 plus bronze
Is the eff.
 
500W seems, really really low.
 
9:20 PM
For a 323?
 
But yeah, "Should"
 
Or just in general
 
In general
 
you can travel to alpha centauri and back with 500W
 
This is the one I'm looking at
newegg.com/Product/…-na--na-_-na&cm_sp=&AID=10446076&PID=3938566&SID=
 
9:21 PM
What's a good tool to view power load on a PC?
 
Although not from Newegg
 
I'm also completely uninformed in this area, so don't take my questioning any other way than just that.
 
a power plug thingie that goes in between the wall plug and the cable
 
Alright, gonna look and see if my local store has it
 
The power supply only takes what it's using?
 
9:23 PM
yep it only takes what it's using, but what it's using depends on how efficient it is
 
So, how do I determine efficiency?
 
it's graded as something
 
Manufacturer estimated draw vs actual?
I mean in real world actual usage
 
if it's graded 80 bronze then it's 80% efficient
 
Wouldn't the efficiency degrade over time?
 
9:26 PM
if something wants to draw 500W out of it, it might not be able to put it thru without struggle, and it will take a bit more than it's producing
in general yes it will degrade a bit, but if good components are used (as in, it's not cheapest on the shelf) then it shouldn't do that much
 
Typically efficiency in a power supply is as stable as the supply capacitors.... which, in modern systems, should last a few years just fine.
 
it will blow up before the efficiency drops a lot
 
The actual efficiency is related to the design and components, which is a completely different thing to it's stability.
The efficiency is also typically rated at an estimated current draw.... so, the efficiency of 80% may be at 50% current capacity.....
efficiency drops off when you start drawing peak/max current....
 
I can pop a cap in someone's ass 5 times a day. That's my Cap-Ass-ity.
 
it smells bad when a capacitor pops
it's called the smell of electricity
 
9:36 PM
Link removed
^^^ A google-found datasheet that has an efficiency graph for different output currents and input voltages, and at different temperatures.
See page 7.
 
alldatasheet temporarily unavailable message, as pdf
whoa
 
Huh, not get it?
 
wow
that's pretty cool
 
I didn't get the pdf, no
 
you get a pdf saying it's not available in a ton of languages
that's a weird server error: something that takes bandwidth
i guess it's easy to get all those langs in there though
 
9:47 PM
^^^ important parts.
 
this is how to version control
(we had a problem with the project file between vs2013 and monodevelop, which is why the merges and commits)
 
hahahah
 
10:06 PM
hah, wtf
 
it was kind of frustrating problem
 
I've been using PhoneGap Build recently, and it requires that it pulls from a public GitHub repo, so in order to debug some stuff, I've had to make a tiny change, commit it, push it, then get PhoneGap to rebuild. In effect, I have like 15 commits with descriptions like "Phone test 1", "Phone 11", "Phone 15"
Still better than "BLINK" or "DUNKUNDUNK"
:p
 
@Lasse Negative.
I'm going to ask around some friends and maybe throw together one
 
Are you still participating? You can do that alone too
 
I was like: How'd he ping himself!?! Oh... wait, different people
 
10:12 PM
:D
 
Considering it. :p
I'd like to get a team together for opitmal results, though.
 
Yeah sure, but you should participate, it's fun :)
 
@JohnMcDonald And I already know how to ping myself
 
whoah
 
@JohnMcDonald magic
 
10:14 PM
@Lasse pure magic
 
@VaughanHilts Magic?
I feel cheated.
 
I have to teach two of the kids in my class how to use VCS tomorrow
This is gonna be rough.
 
Which one?
 
VCS is a joke with the GitHub app for what you'll need it for.
 
Git
 
10:15 PM
I assume you'll be working with Git.
 
And no, I'm teaching them bash.
 
Hello all
can someone check out a problem I'm having (50 pt bounty)
 
Just post, someone will look if they can/
 
0
Q: Render model at center position not displaying (revised)

SpicyWeenieCurrently I can load a model of earth from a DAE file without a texture just to show that something is on the screen. To do this, I used GLU. But now I'm trying to us GLM and shaders to load the model with a texture. The problem I'm having is properly getting them both to work together to displa...

 
@JohnMcDonald What if I got custom objects inside my custom objects I want to import with the Json.NET? I'm getting all nulls for them
example data:
"cars": [
  {
    "id": {
      "name": "Schumacher",
      "color": "red"
    },
    "dimensions": {
      "length": 40.0,
      "width": 20.0,
      "guideFlagPosition": 10.0
    }
  }
]
 
10:37 PM
@Lasse What you have here is an Array called "cars" with 1 element, an object with 2 properties: "id", and "dimensions". Is that intentional?
 
yes, it's from the specs
 
there are multiple cars
I just pasted in one
 
Ah
Makes more sense now
 
public class Car
{
    [JsonProperty(PropertyName = "id")]
	public CarId Id { get; set; }

    [JsonProperty(PropertyName = "dimensions")]
	public CarDimensions Dimensions { get; set; }
}
This produces nulls
 
10:41 PM
What does CarId look like?
 
public class CarId
{
    [JsonProperty(PropertyName = "name")]
	public string Name { get; set; }

    [JsonProperty(PropertyName = "color")]
	public string Color { get; set; }
}

public class CarDimensions
{
	[JsonProperty(PropertyName = "length")]
	public int Length { get; set; }

    [JsonProperty(PropertyName = "width")]
	public int Width { get; set; }

	[JsonProperty(PropertyName = "guideFlagPosition")]
	public int GuideFlagPosition { get; set; }
}
I guess the problem isn't in that code
 
Hmm, I'm starting to remember something..
 
I got it, I need wrappers for eeeeeverything
that car array belongs in another object, and I need to wrap that
And now I got a class called "RaceWrapperWrapper"
because the race is already wrapped in something, and that something needs to be wrapped in another class
public class RaceWrapperWrapper
{
	[JsonProperty(PropertyName = "msgType")]
	public string MsgType {
		get;
		set;
	}

	[JsonProperty(PropertyName = "data")]
	public RaceWrapper Data {
		get;
		set;
	}
}
 
what is this, a prank christmas present?
 
this is just silly, but necessary it seems
 
10:52 PM
wrap the thing in 5 layers of duct tape?
 
public class RaceWrapper
{
	[JsonProperty(PropertyName = "race")]
	public Race Data { get; set; }
}
 
that's definitely odd
 
yes, this hello world open competition is full of stupid shit like this
 
you can't [JsonProperty(PropertyName = "race")] right before the class definition for Race?
 
no, that works only on properties
 
10:53 PM
@Lasse Yeah, I looked at some of the APIs and was like erugh
 
it's separate JSON object
 
huh...one would think there'd be something to work on the class as a whole.
vOv
 
and I'm still not getting this right :D
 
iirc, there was something tricky about populating data into properties that are classes.
I'll have to look at my code when I get home, see if I have any instances of that
 
lol, I pushed those changes and the friend with the vs2013 started yelling about stuff, I guess the lib does not support monodevelop or something
and it's working
it was because of we had nullables there
why it wouldn't throw exceptions about it
I wonder
 
11:08 PM
this is when you ragequit mono, and because the only other good IDE is VS, you also ragequit Linux and install Win8.1, right? :D
 
no, I just throw the non working lib away and find a new one
 
that's boring
needs more rage
 
but I guess it's usable since we have vs in the team
that's what the game looks like
 
ooh, very nice website.
 
Pip
11:32 PM
heyo
 
hi
 
Pip
I have spent sooooo much time on this problem in Malware Tycoon
 
ask about it and it'll solve itself
 
Pip
@Grey @hasherr @joapet99 DO NOT PULL FROM MY BRANCH
 
What's the problem?
 
11:34 PM
I'll watch in amusement as it solves itself
very helpful
 
And sorry I haven't been active with the project.
Things have been hectic lately.
 
Pip
i have been rewriting the computer gen code
 
Okay.
 
Pip
I have it worked out, finally, but it is not behaving/finished yet
as soon as I finish it, everyone needs to pull from master
 
@IcyDefiance it's surprising how well it works, many times i've started explaining the problem here in a question format, and I've managed to get it working while asking the question
 
Pip
11:36 PM
@hasherr that's fine ^^, as long as you come back soon
 
Yeah
Maybe we should have a meeting
Soon, just to see what's going on
 
I've btw updated my project on the highlights page, have you guys noticed?
 
Rubber duck debugging, rubber ducking, and the rubber duckie test are informal terms used in software engineering to refer to a method of debugging code. The name is a reference to a story in the book The Pragmatic Programmer in which a programmer would carry around a rubber duck and debug his code by forcing himself to explain it, line-by-line, to the duck. Many programmers have had the experience of explaining a programming problem to someone else, possibly even to someone who knows nothing about programming, and then hitting upon the solution in the process of explaining the problem. I...
 
Pip
@VaughanHilts looks cool!
 
@TrevorPowell yes. that's basically it
 
Pip
11:37 PM
@hasherr I put when I'm available on Skype
 
Okay
 
Pip
@Lasse I check that out every day now, before I come in the chat room
:P
 
I'm going shopping for parts later though, so I won't be around tonight
And probably not tomorrow
As I have to go look for a job tomorrow
 
@Pip I only check it after I join the chat :(
 
Pip
lol
it looks good, I gave it an upvote
@hasherr tomorrow night, at 7 PM, I have an hour or so
nothing else soon :/
 
11:39 PM
Hmm
Yeah, I might not be able to work on it for at least a few days
 
@Pip thanks :P
 
Pip
kk
 
I also have a school project that I was put in charge of
So if anything, that might have to take priority
 
Pip
lol
yeah, I agree
do it on paper at school, if nothing else
I do a TON of coding at school (in my boring classes, between periods, study hall, after tests, etc)
 
That's good
TheRussi4n
 
Pip
11:41 PM
?
 
Instead of TheProgramm3r
 
Pip
why?
 
A long time ago, groups of Russians started to take interest in CS and coding
But they didn't have access to computers
So they would write code on paper and compile it in their heads
So you had really, really good hackers coming out of Russia
 
Pip
lol
cool
 
interesting stuff
 
Pip
11:43 PM
I looked up "coding on paper" and found this:
In telecommunications, dirty paper coding (DPC) is a technique for efficient transmission of digital data through a channel subjected to some interference known to the transmitter. The technique consists of precoding the data in order to cancel the effect caused by the interference. Dirty-paper coding achieves the channel capacity, without power penalty and without requiring the receiver to gain knowledge of the interference state. Note that DPC at the encoder is an information-theoretic dual of Wyner-Ziv coding at the decoder . History Instances of dirty paper coding include Costa p...
 
I wonder if they were able to run doom in their head
 
Pip
cool stuff
 
@Lasse Probably.
 
Pip
look at the answers: pretty cool
14
Q: Do you ever write code with pen and paper, and should we do it more often?

gablinLike the title says, do you ever write code with pen and paper? If so, why? Do those who don't do if have anything to gain by doing so more often?

 
@hasherr They should, human brain still makes current computers look like rock toys for cave men
 
11:48 PM
I use notepad
like a LOT
I'll often catch myself with 5 instances of notepad open, all with different random notes that I never intended to save anywhere
 
I got those too
 
Me too, except I use jEdit (and some notepad)
 
like here's what I wrote down about the file system I'm making. most of it was written down before writing a single line of code: pastebin.com/z6z75bUV
 
yeah, I use leafpad instead of notepad
 
I think the max number of files per catalog sector is wrong now...
deletes that
 
Pip
11:55 PM
lol
I use paper a TON
I wrote..... 4 pages this week
of code, on paper
 
I'm using paper for drawing some charts mostly
 
Pip
in two school days
 
I use paper to write psuedo-code or little bits of code
 
I have a white board next to my computer
I use that to draw diagrams
Right now it's hosting my parts list and their prices
 
I so want a white board too, but I got no space on the walls
 
11:57 PM
Whiteboards are rad
 
Lol what's on your walls?
 
closets
 
I am quite impressed with the signal to noise ratio in here today
 
Pip
awesome
 
or, doors to the closets that are in the walls
 
11:58 PM
I'll just start drwaing on my walls, who needs a white-boards
 
Pip
anyhow, how much does a whiteboard cost? A good one, I mean.... I could go look up the price of any old whiteboard easily
 
with permanent marker of course
 
Pip
anyhow
 
@Pip Lol, anywhere from $10 - $25
They're super cheap
 
Pip
music drop: my playlist (needs to be added to)
thanks @hasherr
 
11:59 PM
get one at like office depot or staples or some shit
 
they are cheap if you don't need magnetic ones
 
I also draw mathematical equations on my window
Kind of like the Social Network
 
Like the genius kid
 
Pip
some jazz band stuff, popular songs, etc: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLrIJEjYYuWqmzWN1hpiKIVIBdAG3HgKeY
 
EDWARDOE
I NEED THE ALGORITHM
 

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