Game Development

TheMuffinCoder

1:15 AM

@ChrisMcFarland just got tallowmere on android

This thing is godlike

Performance perfect and the UI is superb

TheMuffinCoder

2:01 AM

Its pretty strange

When I start sometimes start debugging my game starts out with messed up fps

But all I gotta do is refresh and it goes back to normal

wait lol I see what happens

I start my timer before I load my assets and that messes stuff up, just reorganized it and all good :D

TheMuffinCoder

2:19 AM

is SO down?

oh snap

first time I ask a question in months and this happens o.O

Chris McFarland

3:23 AM

@TheMuffinCoder ah nice. I should probably move the health to the top of the screen instead of the bottom corner, will do it for the sequel

MickLH

3:57 AM

@Jon Gotta fit a total wtf how? star into every puzzle? :P

Hjorthenify

9:25 AM

Hello!

Chris McFarland

hello

Hjorthenify

Hey Chris, how are you?

Chris McFarland

I'm pretty well thanks
Yourself?
Haven't seen you in here in a while

user92578

Hi!

Hjorthenify

Yeah.. Uni has been keeping me busy. I'm on my summerbreak now so getting back into gamedev :)

Currently refactoring my old game code. It's nice to see that I actually did learn something since then haha

Ihana Tyyppi!

Chris McFarland

9:28 AM

cool

user92578

@Hjorthenify <3

Hjorthenify

@Tyyppi_77 I've been stalking your git from time to time, great work! :D

user92578

I know right! :D

user92578

Hoping to launch Greenlight tomorrow

user92578

I just gotta buy a domain and pay the Greenlight fee first

Hjorthenify

9:31 AM

Damn

user92578

GunHero Greenlight Trailer

►

user92578

I spent most of last week working on a trailer

Chris McFarland

Some of the sounds are quieter than the music?

like the bullets seem rather quiet

user92578

I already boosted the sounds up a shit ton

user92578

But I guess I'll boost them up more

Hjorthenify

9:37 AM

I agree with Chris. I also find the lack of collapsing towers disturbing.. Otherwise it looks amazing :)

user92578

I just really can't do those, mainly because I don't want to but also because that would bring me even closer to Broforce

user92578

That sound was a good catch, I boosted it more on the parts that needed it

user92578

I don't know why but asking my dad to help me buy these things always makes me really nervous

Chris McFarland

doing things you've never done before can make anyone nervous

part of being human

Hjorthenify

9:57 AM

854

Q: Which hashing algorithm is best for uniqueness and speed?

Which hashing algorithm is best for uniqueness and speed? Example (good) uses include hash dictionaries. I know there are things like SHA-256 and such, but these algorithms are designed to be secure, which usually means they are slower than algorithms that are less unique. I want a hash algorit...

This guy's answer is amazing

Chris McFarland

Aye

Chris McFarland

10:22 AM

ffs Unity, broke one of my prefabs
luckily I backed up yesterday v_v

Hjorthenify

Broke?

Chris McFarland

was in the midst of refactoring, so my code wasn't compiling yet
but I had to close the editor and restart my computer for something else
and on opening the project back up, certain linked components in my big Window prefab were "missing" or "null"

has happened to me once before months ago

and this prefab is super deep with its children, giant hassle to try and fix manually, so I just restored the project and copied over the recent scripts I'd changed :D

bloody annoying though

Pip

morning all

Chris McFarland

ahoy

Pip

ahoy Chris

What're you up to this fine morning

Chris McFarland

10:31 AM

just refactoring a little

Hjorthenify

Oh damn

Hey Pip

Pip

@Tyyppi_77 nooooooooooo Tyyppi I can't watch the video

Chris McFarland

what's on your plate this morning?

Pip

First, food

Chris McFarland

that's a good thing to have on a plate

user92578

10:31 AM

@Pip I know, I deleted it

Pip

Then going to open up my shiny new Unity 5.4 Beta 22 program

and do... something :P

I have a bunch of ideas for a rpg/roguelike

Basically the concept for "skills" is instead of directly assigning values, you have a point pool based on level

and these points assign themselves to attributes based on what you do

For example, if you use a sword a lot you might increase strength and some other sword-related attribute

Sword Proficiency or some whatever

Eventually depending on what you do, there's going to be specializations

So if you have high enough ranks of non-base skills (aka not strength, dexterity, whatever), they can combine into a specialization that gives better bonuses

Chris McFarland

go fer it

Pip

Idk seems overcomplex and just my thing :D

@Tyyppi_77 want to play a game?

user92578

10:48 AM

can't, food soon

Pip

kk

Free Internet Points

11:50 AM

1

Q: How to use Irrlicht game engine in cygwin?

How can I develop a game with Irrlicht game engine in a cygwin environment? I tried google, but honestly I didn't find any useful tutorials about setting that game engine in cygwin. Thanks, Ehsan.

c++ irrlicht

Pip

12:03 PM

@ChrisMcFarland any tips on how to do modular player skins and animation like you are for T2?

Chris McFarland

clothing

though I haven't gotten that far lol

Pip

What do you do for the animations?

Chris McFarland

lots of Transforms, and lots of ping-ponging between states/positions

Pip

Not using Unity's animation system or Spriter or anything?

Chris McFarland

nah

Pip

12:06 PM

I see

Sounds like a lot of work :P

Chris McFarland

using other systems sounded like more work

Pip

Fair enough

Chris McFarland

I do wish I could sort out some sort of dynamic lighting goodness

but my early attempts, couldn't really get anything I was happy with

but oh well

Pip

I've never managed to do very much with lighting

Not the most critical feature in most games, though I'd like to do it this time around

Chris McFarland

lots of extra work for sure heh

Blue Bug

12:13 PM

lighting!

wow @Tyyppi_77 that's a very slick trailer! Good luck with yo!

Pip

Whoa this is interesting: forum.unity3d.com/threads/2d-dynamic-shadows.165283

Thomas was Alone-style shadows

Blue Bug

Thomas Was Alone had horrible awful optimization. I remember that the most about the game.

Pip

Yep, the shadows were done with raycasts

So aka slow as fuck

That forum thread is full of people trying to recreate that without raycasting

Blue Bug

watches the game play video to understand the shadow

I think it can be done pretty simple if you just used a shadow map?

make the game actually 3d but render it to look like 2d.

Pip

Not if you're using Unity (Free, at least)

user92578

12:26 PM

@BlueBug how did you see it?

Blue Bug

I made a simple instant intuitive tutorial

@Tyyppi_77 u posted it chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30627869#30627869

I think unity kinda sucks if u r using free.

user92578

yes but I deleted it

Blue Bug

I watched it as soon as u posted it

then responded a lot later.

I think it is better if u switch order of things in the trailer btw, it goes like, shoot guns to kill enemy -> other cool things in the game, but maybe reconsider order to "cool things in the game first" then "shoot and kill"

Pip

or shoot -> cool shit -> more shooting

Blue Bug

something like that yeah

user92578

12:36 PM

I won't be redoing it

Pip

Fair enough

@ChrisMcFarland does Unity have a MonoBehavior call graph somewhere?

Chris McFarland

a who to the what now

what sort of thing is that

Pip

Like a graph where it shows where it calls Start/Awake/Update

and whatever else

Chris McFarland

Ohh, yeah lemme find

Pip

thanks

Chris McFarland

12:37 PM

there's an official page somewhere, I have this image bookmarked though

docs.unity3d.com/Manual/ExecutionOrder.html

Pip

thanks

Free Internet Points

0

Q: Calculate the displacement of device in unity

I'm making a 3D game in unity where the object should move forward and backward as the android device moves/accelerates in the Z axes. ie. When the player moves the devise in the direction of the +ve Z axis, the object should move forward, and when the player moves the devise in the direction of ...

c# unity5 accelerometer

Pip

Is Awake only ever called once or is Start the only function like that?

Chris McFarland

Awake and Start are once-ever only

Pip

thanks

Chris McFarland

12:41 PM

OnEnable is called any time the gameObject becomes active I believe

lately I use Awake exclusively to set my singletons/globals

so that Start knows that everything is ready

Pip

Got it

That's not a bad idea

Jon

I use awake to get shit ready and start to get shit started

Chris McFarland

trying out some BigRoomText

Pip

That looks awesome

user92578

yeah looks really nice

Blue Bug

12:49 PM

is that Tellowmere 2?

Chris McFarland

Yeah

Jon

Close

user92578

@Jon ?

Jon

What kind of question is that

user92578

You just created a room for us

Jon

12:54 PM

Accident

Pip

Boom, progress!

not "boom progress" though explosions should be a thing

No game is complete without explosions of some kind

Especially if the things exploding are cats (heh @ChrisMcFarland)

Chris McFarland

MickLH

@BlueBug redblobgames.com/articles/visibility

Chris McFarland

while that shadow/masking is "realistic" in a sense
I find it's really hard on my eyes when trying to play a game with it :s

jarring having stuff pop in and out

MickLH

Yeah I see it as a building block, not really a graphics technique

But I wanted to share it with BlueBug since he was thinking about it, it's a very fresh spin on the topic compared to shadow mapping

It's more like stencil shadow volumes

Blue Bug

1:13 PM

I think we discussed this before Deja Vu!

Jon

@MickLH yep 80 stars to go

Blue Bug

or, I am 99% sure that redblobgames.com/articles/visibility link had been posted here before

MickLH

It had at some point

It's interesting to think of the technique in 3D, I think DOOM 3 did that for shadows to get perfect edges with no pixelation

But of course perfect polygon edges casting big shadows means huge geometric shadows across your scene

Jon

gearaward.com/inspiration.html?design

Blue Bug

I think this solution can be heavy if there were lots of objects

but not brutal forcing by throwing ray all over or using gpu is impressive.

Jon

1:20 PM

brutal forcing :D

MickLH

It does have performance problems for dynamic scenes

Every time a polygon changes, the shadow mesh must be updated

You can create the shadow volume in a shader, but it's not a magic bullet

Blue Bug

I think this approach is relatively intensive to implement due to the fact that you will now need to write code to check each wall, object, (things that are related to the model), which will require you to make almost fundamental changes to your code.

MickLH

I haven't tried fitting it into an existing piece of code lol, that sounds like a pain

I think it's only reasonable in 2D

It's technically possible in 3D, but actually useful in 2D

Blue Bug

Yes. I can't think of doing it in 3D. Sounds like a nightmare. but 2D sounds reasonable, especially for games like ThomasWasAlone

why do that? when shadowing in 3D only takes...

MickLH

Ah yes, the classical technique of "just doing it"

Jon

1:28 PM

Blue Bug

Bluebug is a lazy mofo. He has no patient for practice and want fast instant results. No time for such a performance enhancing technique.

MickLH

I found a really, really bad bug in my code but it was easy to fix

I forgot to actually hash the data, before signing the hash

Blue Bug

it is gone deep into the maze of memory. Save the poor data from eternal torment of memory hell.

Pip

@MickLH sounds important

MickLH

everything appeared to work, and it even pretended that the signature check works, swap the user ID and the packet gets rejected

but that was because it checked if the user signed off on the all-zero message

every packet from the same user had the same signature lol

I hex edited a message and injected it, and it worked! (And I was like god damnit.)

erebel55

1:32 PM

tear it up mick

sn0k3

Hi

Blue Bug

HI

Pip

Holy crap

Anyone here played MapleSory?

Blue Bug

like 20 years ago

yes

Pip

Nexon is making (made?) a 3D sequel

Blue Bug

1:34 PM

made

Pip

Maplestory 2 Gameplay Trailer

►

Blue Bug

the shit is a giant rolling pile of failure.

MickLH

lol

It's a rare treat when @BlueBug molly whops some developer :P

Pip

I... actually think it could potentially possibly be a little better than the first one, maybe

Blue Bug

I had a high expectation for the game. They crushed my anticipation and burned it into ashes then fed it to the pigs then made bacon out of those pigs.

Chris McFarland

1:37 PM

reddit.com/r/MapleStory2/comments/48mf82/…

MickLH

hmm bacon of pigs fed exclusively the ashes of anticipation sounds kindof fancy or elegant or something

Chris McFarland

sounds dead

Blue Bug

How do I put this... Yes... it is just like how Diablo 3 totally ruined its series. But only worse since it was supposed to be THE REBOOT of MapleStory. At least Diablo 3 is somewhat fun on its own.

MickLH

Their trailer turned me off, honestly

It said, "Come run aimlessly in a pointless world with cheesy animations!"

Chris McFarland

I'd give it a whirl if it existed

I like cute things :(

MickLH

1:39 PM

@ChrisMcFarland My god. At least you're frowning about it.

Chris McFarland

it's a break from the norm

like that upcoming final fantasy chibi thing? I might be keen

Blue Bug

When they were supposed to be fixing bugs and add further features they focused on customizing your "house" and other meaningless cosmic things. Slowly turning it into some sort of blocky sim simulator. The original MapleStory players who were addicted to level up/power grinding couldn't stay with all that "make your house pretty" thing they were throwing into face.

sn0k3

Any suggestions why, when I am trying to print levelFile[0][0] it shows 6 instead of one.My levelFile (.txt file from which I read) content is:
0,1,2
3,4,5
6,7,8

pastebin.com/tBCaEDkK

It is weird

Chris McFarland

@BlueBug sounds like a wannabe Animal Crossing

Blue Bug

A ha! Now I see where all these changes come from!

They are focusing on original MapleStory ceaselessly though. Keep adding contents and new classes with new areas to explore.

MapleStory is like WOW in Korea.

TheMuffinCoder

1:46 PM

lol everyone in my town plays it still

tho everyone here is korean :P

Blue Bug

I used to have level 36 Wizard, at the time of play the max level was 60

Chris McFarland

I've tried MapleStory but it seemed boring

Almo

i played Maple Story a while

it's OK, not great though

painful Korean grind though

Blue Bug

It kills your time mindlessly.

Almo

almost mindlessly... the upgrade decisions are pretty important since you make them so seldom and you can make bad ones. But other than that... yeah :)

MickLH

1:50 PM

@sn0k3 This is genuinely another reason why people talk shit about Java.

You can't share a snippet of code and test it on the other side. I would have to read a few manual pages just to run your trivial snippet.

Nobody is going to put up with that level of bullshit over such a trivial issue

Blue Bug

Korean kids are very busy studying. I think its simple structure combined with progressive incremental rewarding system made it so easy to be consumed by busy kids; you can play it quick whenever you have time and each time you gain greater sense of accomplishment that you cannot feel normally in life.

Chris McFarland

yeah, that's the beauty of MMOs if you're in that mindset
achieve all this stuff and level-up and feel powerful and mighty, long time playing

when really you're just sitting in front of your computer on your ass for years

Blue Bug

lol

Almo

@BlueBug Diablo III was really, really good.

Chris McFarland

but at least your brain's stimulated

Almo

1:52 PM

Diablo II was unplayable to me after just a couple weeks with D3

MickLH

ooo there it is. there's the benchmark

Blue Bug

Diablo III is fun. I agree on that but hm.... I feel like it lost its supposed place to other action rpg such as Path of Exile by not taking the position it could have taken.

MickLH

A sequel is good if you play it for a while, and prefer it over the original

Leggy7

ouff

Chris McFarland

while 3D is cool usually
there is something about D2's pixel isometric artwork that helps add value to the experience

Almo

1:54 PM

Here's one... I'm in a situation in D2. I think "I could use X spell here. But it's not on my hot keys. Do I feel like opening up the spell menu to get it? I might flub it and die" I only play hardore. so death is permanent.

Chris McFarland

@Almo F keys

Almo

yes there are not enough Fkeys

Chris McFarland

that was the solution lol
yeah

Leggy7

speaking in terms of innovation, d3 gave nothing

Almo

it fixed all sorts of shit

Chris McFarland

1:55 PM

I can't play hardcore anymore cuz getting one-shotted from stupid shit is annoying
and grinding pve is boring

Leggy7

it was just (after several patches) something that as you said fixed lots of shit

Chris McFarland

(d3)

Leggy7

but in terms of feeling

meant nothing

Almo

potion belt... red pots take time, blue pots take time, ytou have to combine reds and blues with gems in the cube to make purples which are instant, 4 slots, each with a stack of 4, have to keep track of what's in the slots and what order or you might die

Blue Bug

I am happy with D3 but not happy when to think about D2. Because what I wanted was a successor of the legend of D2-the game that got played years and years after.

Almo

1:55 PM

horrible

Chris McFarland

D3, the fucking blood splats fade away

do you know how insulting that feels?

Leggy7

it required you some preparation in temrs of experience and in terms of time to be able to face many things

Chris McFarland

compared to D2?

Almo

The stamina bar is gone. What was the stamina bar for?