Game Development

12:02 AM

so I bought elite dangerous, because it's on sale, and it both looks and feels amazing. very immersive. there's just nothing to do, lol.

it has an expansion coming soon though, so hopefully that helps

yossi elimelech

It's like dating a hot blonde ... oh no you can do sex with hot blonde ...

Icy Defiance

more like playing a first person version of EVE, just without the economy, manufacturing, or 90% of the options for ship parts, but it has dogfights so that's cool

yossi elimelech

are you a developer ?

Chris

yeahh, I'm tempted to buy Elite: Dangerous as well, but on the fence cuz of those points lol

Icy Defiance

@yossielimelech yeah I'm a programmer, though my job right now is making software for banks and real estate companies, not games

I have a game framework I work on in my spare time though. the math and graphics stuff is pretty fun.

yossi elimelech

12:08 AM

hmm yeah I was in the tax programming until 2 months ago couldn't stand it now I'm at home trying to make a living out of what I like... not going well tho

oh your working on a framework :) maybe you are the guy I can discuss with about my little tool i'm trying to build..

let's check what's that elite games that 2 out of 3 ppl alive in this channel knows of and I don't

Icy Defiance

@Chris well if you buy it now, you should get $15 off the price of the expansion. or you can wait and buy the expansion for $60 and you get the base game with it. so either way you pay the same amount, but buying it now means you can try it out before paying full price.

of course that means if the expansion sucks, you're still down $15

Chris

It's a case where I'd probably play it for a day, and then not pick it back up very much

I'm sure I'd enjoy playing but, but wouldn't bother playing it for long

just dropped $90 NZD on Star Wars: Battlefront as it is lol

and Fallout 4 haha

yossi elimelech

can you guys check out my new topic if you have any thoughts or want to discuss my idea i'll be glad if not and you find it still interesting question vote :) gamedev.stackexchange.com/questions/112005/…

Icy Defiance

12:42 AM

@yossielimelech if I'm understanding that post correctly, I think you want a finite state machine. you can probably google that and find some examples.

maybe google the command pattern too. not sure if you'll need it or not, but it might give you some ideas.

Almo

1:12 AM

i'm sure i'd get bored with elite pretty fast

doppelgreener

I have a friend who loves Elite to bits and spends ages playing it. The stuff I hear about is how amazing the exploration is, and the interactions with other players, and the interesting way the pirates operate.

Almo

lookin for anyone interested in both LoL and cryptocurrencies I could refer to a program where you get paid some crypto (micro bits... worthless unless that currency is someday worth something) just for playing LoL. I've been in a the program for months, and it's working. so if you're interested, just drop me a mail (almo2001@yahoo.com) I get a bonus if I refer people.

doppelgreener

At one point he was pulled over by pirates who gave him three options: (a) dump half his cargo for them, (b) die, (c) write a poem about their glorious leader. he chose (d) point his ship in the direction they'll have the most trouble chasing him, and run for it.

i wouldn't be able to get into Elite though; I have no interest in sandbox games.

Icy Defiance

I wouldn't count on any cryptocurrency going up in value by orders of magnitude

that sort of thing is pretty much over now

Almo

my thought was "it can't hurt to have some of this stuff"

Icy Defiance

1:19 AM

nah, can't hurt. but now that everyone and their dog knows about the stuff and can mine it, big changes in value are really unlikely.

Almo

and it's not true that "orders of magnitude" are over. if you hold some coin a whale gets interested in and you sell on the spike, you can get two orders of magnitude sometimes.

Icy Defiance

maybe if amazon started taking bitcoin payments, lol

Almo

they'd be dumb to do that until it's less volatile

:)

it was trundling along at $280 about for a LONG time, suddenly it's over $400, a bunch of people bought in imagining the $1000 of long ago again, and boom it's back to $300.

Almo

1:46 AM

hahaha

steam game

Chris

nice

Almo

2:29 AM

review for Verdun FPS:

Uninstall other shooter FPS (EA)
Install Verdun
Launch the game
Go prone - die
Stand up - die
Rush to the enemy base - die
Try to snipe - get sniped by somebody else
Rage
Repeat

Definitely recommend this game to anyone

Chris

lol

Almo

WWI shooter is going to be brutal if it's at all realistic :)

what have I gotten myself into. I bought it

looks really hardcore

fucking bolt-action rifles and shit

Chris

lol

Almo

4 GB downloading now

will report after I play it for a while.

Chris

link?

Almo

2:41 AM

store.steampowered.com/app/242860

Chris

sweet. It does look nice

Almo

yeah :)

I like that it probably doesn't have helicopter backup when you hit a 5-kill streak

hate that kind of shit in shooters.

Chris

that's a very fast-paced snowball type of thing

Almo

yeah

Chris

been years since I played CoD MW2

Almo

2:43 AM

to me, someone doesn't need that kind of backup if they get streaks

but I'm an old-school gamer :)

Chris

watching streams..... it's also very satisfying that when you land a bullet, it plays a distinct and satisfying sound

haha yeah, it's its own genre really

Almo

I expect to get victimized pretty badly early on

but if my plan works out, I'll develop into a sniper :)

Chris

snipers you say

Almo

hahah

Icy Defiance

I think you need to play planetside instead

everyone else in this chat too, and then we can group up and wreck things

or I can just go back to leveling my league alt

Almo

4:27 AM

@Chris played a couple games. AFKs don't get booted soon enough and you can't kick them. But I had fun. it IS fucking brutal. When you die, it doesn't tell you why or how, just who did it.

Chris

5:08 AM

ah yes

Aidan Mueller

6:20 AM

@Chris One of the guys in a yellow shirt looks like Scott Stirling :D

Aidan Mueller

6:45 AM

I almost feel guilty for getting this many votes.

44

A: How can a 3D game render an object without having a sprite for every single angle?

Multiple methods There is a number of methods for rendering and storing 3D graphics and models. There are even different methods for rendering 2D graphics! In addition to 2D bitmaps, you also have SVG. SVG uses numbers to define points in an image. These points make shapes. The points can also d...

This has never happened to me before.

Steven

It's all the pictures and diagrams that gives you mad upvotes

Aidan Mueller

Haha. Maybe.

Steven

Just put some pictures in all your posts. Did you draw any of those yourself or just scoop them? That projection one especially looks good.

That's on Stack Overlow, too - that's impressive.

Aidan Mueller

No I didn't draw them. I provided credit where it was required by the creative commons license that was used.

But I think it's also the organization and formatting.

I now spend time trying to organize what I write.

Steven

Yes of course. I try to answer less and better.

Leathe

6:51 AM

rep cap for days

Aidan Mueller

Indeed.

Stupid rep cap :(

I do see the purpose though.

Wouldn't want someone to become a moderator in one post or anything :)

Leathe

@AidanMueller did you read the meta post about the question?

Aidan Mueller

Looked at it.

Steven

About which question - rep caps?

Leathe

no, the one where aidan got upvoted through the roof

Steven

7:02 AM

Where's that?

Leathe

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Q: Very Broad Question, Very Nice Answer

I want to direct attention to this thread which got shut down for asking a question that was too broad. Please see the answer from Aidan at the bottom. How Are 3D Models Rendered in a Game? The answer has 6 up-votes and was already provided 4 hours before the thread was closed as being too broa...

Aidan Mueller

7:17 AM

My eyes feel foggy.

Probably had too much fun.

Went off-roading.

Kevin van der Velden

10:05 AM

@AidanMueller fun is indeed a bad thing, you should probably avoid it at all costs

Kevin van der Velden

11:29 AM

Anyone up for some burning of spam?

user92578

I didn't even get to flag it

user92578

Already gone

Kevin van der Velden

Yay! The system works!

Jon

11:43 AM

user92578

11:54 AM

Why the fuck did I decide to write empty tiles to the editor level file

user92578

Takes soo much space

Ali.S

@Tyyppi_77 that's not a bad decision though (depending on how much space they require and what percent of your tiles is empty

user92578

It kinda is, most layers are probably like 95% empty

Ali.S

that's odd to have that meany empty tiles... but with that many empty tiles... I guess it is bad...

user92578

yeah

user92578

11:57 AM

I'll change that today probably

Jon

1:14 PM

This is seriously a really unfortunate name to have.

Considering ISIS didn't exist a few years ago -- people named their children Isis

user92578

wow yeah

Jon

There is a band in Montreal, Empire Isis

user92578

there is a quite funny joke about Isis that only works in Finnish

Jon

Pretty sure that band isn't playing anymore

user92578

Basically a immigrant mom says to her child when dropping him/her to the daycare "Isis tulee hakeen sut tänään"

user92578

1:22 PM

Which translates to "Your dad comes to pick you up today"

user92578

or "Isis comes to pick you up today"

Jon

mom gets thrown in jail

TERROR!!!

user92578

nah, it's finland

user92578

lifetime sentence is like 7 years or something

Jon

Unrelated, but someone made a comment on a video of people on black friday sales

"Shameful, people fighting over shitty TVs they WANT. Nothing they NEED."

Imagine how these same people would behave, if they needed to eat.

smh.com.au/business/consumer-affairs/…

Almo

1:25 PM

those fights on sale days are truly embarassing

Jon

such a big deal for a damn personalized nutella container

@Almo it is quite frankly, a shameful display of the human race

Almo

it's not even about getting something there's a shortage of (needed or wanted ignored), it's just about saving a few dollars on said items.

Jon

And most of those people can't even afford the damn sale item in the first place.

Almo

:(

Jon

What they really need, is to buy their children new clothing

Almo

1:27 PM

yeah

(I gotta head to work, but yeah)

Jon

I don't know what the heck is going on at my work... but my nic gets shut off randomly, and requires a reboot

Can't stop the service, can't disable/re-enable the nic.. it just kills it

And it has been happening to random people... some are not affected at all

I'm thinking the DHCP server may be dishing out the same IP.. but doesn't really explain the card dying unless it is being flooded or something

oh yeah, and the PC needs to be turned off, as the reboot takes like 10 minutes

user92578

1:50 PM

user92578

I can now paint snow anywhere

user92578

Also kinda shows the improved snow particles

Kevin van der Velden

Yay snow

user92578

Ah, so lovely:

user92578

Jon

2:08 PM

you need a robot santa

Kevin van der Velden

Evil robot santa

user92578

lol

user92578

christian conservatives will find me on twitter and kill me

Kevin van der Velden

Naah, their aim is terrible

user92578

lol

user92578

2:11 PM

and I guess I can always cover myself with bibles

Kevin van der Velden

Good camouflage

user92578

2:38 PM

Just dropped the level file from 28898 lines to 1379

user92578

With basically this: if (tileID == 0) continue;

user92578

That's like 2000% decrease

user92578

This is how I should initially have designed this

user92578

But because I came from TMX I went with it's model of saving tiles

Almo

store.steampowered.com/app/242860

wow man. that's some hardcore shit

played about an hour

had a bad dream about it later. sitting in a trench, hear an incoming whistle, BOOM dead woke up.

I can't even image what it must have been like for the real people in that

Jon

2:52 PM

not as fun

first of all, when you shoot someone in real life, they typically don't just fall over and die, then dissapear --- they fall over, and yell, and scream -- then more then likely keep screaming for a few hours into lunacy, then acceptance, then death.

doppelgreener

3:14 PM

@Jon they often won't even fall over. sometimes you can get shot and won't even notice it - especially if you're already hurt, especially if adrenaline is pumping because someone's shooting at you

Jon

someone should make THAT game

where when you kill someone, the game makes you feel so bad, you need therapy for your PTSD

doppelgreener

@Jon 2Dark probably similarly horrifies you but in a different way

Jon

cool

Jon

3:32 PM

i played CS:GO last night-

So many kids on there

And they love to have an audience... damn kids just won't shut up

doppelgreener

3:47 PM

you should play splatoon

it's for adults and it's great

user92578

Trying out some icicles(?) under the snow:

user92578

thoughts?

user92578

I don't think they're very well drawn

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 icicles without empty air don't make much sense

they don't feel like they belong there

now, under the ceilings of those cubby houses, or among the struts, or underneath the cubby houses where they're resting on the struts? that would be perfect

user92578

4:03 PM

oh

user92578

well that would just be too much work

user92578

The current system easily supports icicles under the snow on the dirt

user92578

but thanks a lot for the feedback

user92578

I guess I'll take them out then :)

user92578

I think I want to add walking particles

user92578

4:08 PM

Little dust that comes out from the feet while walking

user92578

What do you think?

Almo

looks really nice!

user92578

thanks!

Almo

Sure any time

doppelgreener

4:19 PM

@Tyyppi_77 that is marvellous

user92578

thanks

user92578

all tough I gotta say that italics make me feel like I posted this on tumblr

user92578

i can't even

doppelgreener

@Tyyppi_77 that is sO GOOD

also when you post this on social media make sure to run a highlighter over several parts of my sentences

user92578

Oh right, I should start composing those quote things

user92578

4:23 PM

"that is <b><i>marvellous</i></b> - doppelgreener 2015"

Jon

4:34 PM

wiki.unity3d.com/index.php/Dithering_Shader

user92578

5:01 PM

I should learn how to make an actual out of the box build of GunHero

Icy Defiance

installers are evil, horrible things. it's much safer to keep writing code indefinitely.

user92578

I wasn't really talking about an installer

user92578

Probably just a release-build exe in a ZIP file with the resources there too

Icy Defiance

oh I see

user92578

resource paths will likely break tough

Icy Defiance

5:07 PM

just don't use absolute paths for them. that's not a big deal.

where you'll run into issues is with prereqs that have to be installed, like VC++ or something. most of our computers will have that stuff anyway, though.

user92578

Most of the stuff (the things that use ContentLoader) will work fine, as ContentLoader has a path utility thing pointing to the right place

user92578

Oh, right

user92578

But yeah, if I remember to, I'll probably try this tomorrow

user92578

It's would be great to get some crushing honest feedback

Kevin van der Velden

5:53 PM

Halp, I'm building a 6502 emulator

Why? Who knows!

Almo

6:18 PM

Are you actually building one?

Kevin van der Velden

Yup

Almo

hahah cool

lda, y $dc00

tax

lda #ff

Jon

6:34 PM

IDA

Almo

6:57 PM

She sings death metal... just amazing

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Jon

wow

Almo

maybe not amazing, but I like the contrast between her look and sound.

Jon

that sounds like a cat getting killed

or a toad i guess

Almo

hahaha

Male American Toad (Bufo americanus)

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Jon

Rammstein VS Cookie Monster

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Wardy

7:02 PM

this is more my level of thinking ...

This Guy has a Guitar in his Mouth

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Almo

hahahah the Nine thing is awesome

Almo

7:23 PM

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Q: Puzzle bubble game mouse pointer problem

I'm making a simple c++ game. But i'm a beginner. The game is basically a clone of puzzle bubble. Now I have to rotate the bubble gun with mouse cursor. But after so much effort, I still have not found a way to keep the length of the gun constant. Anyone please help me.

c++

that got an upvote...

Almo

7:55 PM

Выброс горящего масла. Homemade oil nuke.

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dumping water on 350 C boiling oil

Chris

hooo

Almo

:D

waiting for builds

browsing Sploid

Fire Tornado in Slow Motion 4K - The Slow Mo Guys

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Chris

nice. Unity replied to my bug report, happened to be fixed in a patch release pushed out today

oh man that tornado is crazy

Almo

oh sweet (unity bug)

Jon

9:12 PM

man i love napping

its like, one of the things I love the most

napping

Almo

hahah

Chris

9:25 PM

Naps are good

except for when you wake up at the wrong time and are super groggy after >_<

Wardy

9:39 PM

Unlocked that mystical place that is the gpu :)

Got a slightly warm living room though lol

Jon

burns out his gpu

Wardy

im keeping the numbers down so as not to push it too much

only 1 million voxels at a time

Jon

pics or it never happinned

Wardy

hehe not just yet

Jon

pixabay.com

errr

Wardy

9:45 PM

i'm gearing up for something :)

Jon

nsfw

there is a butt on the main page now

but all those pics are free to use

Wardy

in the middle of converting my marching cubes gen to gpu

Jon

what does gpu stand for?

Wardy

anyone know if its possible to define a struct of just 2 bytes in hlsl ?

I have a funny feeling that byte is not a supported type :(

I spose i could use uint or half

need this thing to be as small as possible though

@Jon are you trolling me?

Fuzzy Logic

10:01 PM

half maps to float on modern GPU's. Pretty sure the GPU use 4-byte registers, so allocating anything less is going to take 4-bytes anyway, unless you pack the bytes yourself

Wardy

hmm ok ... just worried about the size of my working set here

on the cpu I have it working pretty effiently with voxels being defined as ...

struct Voxel {
    byte Weight;
    byte Type;
}

not sure how I can directly map that in to a gpu struct

my thinking is i can't, may have to redefine Voxel ... that could get ugly

Jon

some guy tweeted an error from my shopping cart system

lol...

twitter.com/krisdaniel03/status/670220549629607936

RandomDSdevel

10:37 PM

The day before Thanksgiving, I moved the following question:

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Q: Under What Circumstances Might Nintendo Change its HDK/SDK Licensing Model?

Under what circumstances might Nintendo decide to transition from its current, paid-only software/hardware development kit access model to one more like Apple's tiered system, under which you can do all the development (and testing, now that you side-load apps with Xcode 7.x,) you want for free b...

sdk nintendo

To chat.

Ali.S

@RandomDSdevel I guess no body except nintendo itself can answer that question

RandomDSdevel

It didn't get much discussion Wednesday, so I'm popping my head back in here to see if anybody had any ideas about this.

@Ali.S: But we can speculate, can't we?

Ali.S

I guess the only real answer is that happens if nintendo feels it'll earn more money that way

I guess the reason iOS gave up it's strict method in xcode 7.x was because it's android was a real threat

and nintendo, right now, doesn't feel that kind of threat right now

both MS and Sony (And soon to be valve) are following the same model as nintendo so why should they change?

Chris

@Ali.S oh? what changed with Xcode 7?

Ali.S

also consider the fact that MS did try free for all model with it's XNA, and even they are not pursuing that method with their XBox-One... so nintendo might think, maybe there is something wrong with that

@Chris you can test on actual device, before getting developer ID

Chris

10:42 PM

ah yep. Yeah that's a welcome change, less barrier to entry

Ali.S

although you (obviously) still need developer ID to distribute your app, and you've got to share it through app store, there is no other way (although there seemed to be some other ways before)

Lasse

store.cardsagainsthumanity.com

oh that is so awesome

Chris

mmm at the moment with MS, you gotta show you're at least probably competent to ship a game, and then they'll welcome you aboard their programme

@Lasse lol

Ali.S

@Chris I don't really know the details... but their SDK is not free for all

Chris

yeah, it's their discretion to give you some contracts to sign

MickLH

10:51 PM

@Pip Auto route isn't a reliable solution, just a time-saver.

user4704

@Ali.S They're trying something arguably better with the Xbox One.

MickLH

@Wardy Sadly, static linking libSatanicCurse locks you to a given deity, have you considered OpenCL?

user4704

I'm not sure this is really something that aligns with Nintendo's culture at all.

Ali.S

@JoshPetrie I guess then, I don't know...

Wardy

coding against the unity api atm

user4704

10:53 PM

They do generally make their devkits fairly easy to acquire.

Wardy

but compute is all hlsl is it not ? weather you use openCL or direct compute (or is that a dumb question)

user4704

But what you're looking for, by comparison with Apple like that, is essentially the commercialization of the development hardware and tools.

user4704

That's a fairly major undertaking, it has taken Apple a lot of time and a lot of money to build the infrastructure they have around the iOS development platform (and it's still got some obnoxious rough corners).

user4704

So in order for Nintendo to do that you'd have to expect that they see a fairly major competitive advantage in having it.

user4704

I don't think they do (and I don't think there is), at least not right now or for the near future.

user4704

10:56 PM

Nintendo generally choses to take their competitive advantages in the form of unique, out-of-the-box stuff (or attempts at the same, at least).

user4704

And historically they are extremely bad at doing things like "infrastructure."

user4704

And "internet."

Chris

It sounds like they're finally being forced to up their game

RandomDSdevel

Well, that would be really nice, especially since flashcarts, the bane of homebrew software developers and anti-pirates everywhere would go away if game development was more like development for personal computers. I wonder what kinds of circumstances would make doing that seem more profitable to Nintendo than its current system? I think that its recent change of CEO — may Iwata-san rest in peace — might give the company a nudge in that direction.

user4704

Doubtful.

RandomDSdevel

10:59 PM

Well, they've at least expressed some interest in going in that direction, so it doesn't seem that far-fetched to me:

kotaku.com/…

user4704

There's no real evidence that Kimishima departs that significant from the existent corporate philosophy

user4704

(as far as I've seen)

Chris

I'm sure if Nintendo ever flops enough that hardware costs are no longer sustainable for them, that they'll just go software-only. Until then, Nintendo really likes their hardware

RandomDSdevel

Eh, you're right: integration of development tools is orthogonal to commercializing them, though it would be really nice if they'd do both.

user4704

I don't really think the quotes in that article are addressing your point about commercialization of development.

user4704

11:01 PM

To me these read more like hardware normalization.

RandomDSdevel

@Chris Exactly!

Chris

according to this video (which is an excellent watch), Iwata cut his salary in half when the Wii U sales were horrible, as he didn't want to have to fire people

The Life of Satoru Iwata - Gaming Historian

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RandomDSdevel

@JoshPetrie Right, right…guess I'm getting my hopes up too much.

Chris

Hoping too much is like worrying too much - it doesn't really get you anywhere lol

RandomDSdevel

11:21 PM

I just wish homebrew development were easier! I want to get into it, but Nintendo keeps patching the vulnerabilities that the community uses to hack in the Homebrew Channel on the 3DS! An official SDK would be very welcome, in my opinion, and so would access to consumer versions of legacy SDKs for those who still want to use older systems but would consider using the official variants of them instead of third-party substitutes if the former were available!

Almo

so dev for a platform that welcomes it

android, iOS, pc, mac, linux

Chris

thing is, I don't think Nintendo wants that much open access since that makes it easier for piracy. I mean, the homebrew scene is made possible due to exploits

RandomDSdevel

@Almo: But I want to make games for portable and home consoles like Ninty's, too! I want to share my stuff with other Nintendo users (and maybe even work on some of the Big N's IPs some day!)

Icy Defiance

people who are into the homebrew scene will avoid updating if possible. they know that breaks things. they might decide on a certain version for them all to sit on until some important update comes out, then someone will crack that and most of them will update at once.

but don't count on sharing things with your friends just because they use a nintendo product

you'll have to get them to mod their stuff just to run the thing, which isn't gonna happen unless they're already into the scene

RandomDSdevel

@IcyDefiance @IcyDefiance: The problem with that is that you run the risk of bricking your system if you inadvertently update its firmware.

Chris

11:29 PM

https://wiiu-developers.nintendo.com/ - you can buy a devkit and then make stuff using Unity or HTML5
anything else is breaking Nintendo's terms

RandomDSdevel

I think they have a C++ SDK, too, right?

Icy Defiance

you run the risk of bricking your system just by softmodding the thing. when I did that to a Wii there were like 3 steps where the instructions were like "screw this up and your machine will never turn on again"

that's inherent to the whole process

Chris

@RandomDSdevel Yeah, but for that stuff you gotta be like an established developer

the Unity/HTML5 programme is more aimed towards budding developers :)

yeah, and that's why you get quality assurance testing and stuff doing it all official - the engineers make sure your code isn't gonna break stuff

whereas risking bricking your system that you paid good money for, just a tad bit risky

Icy Defiance

tbh the odds of bricking things when softmodding is pretty low, as long as you can read instructions and follow them properly

but yeah, you lose all protection from that sort of thing when you break nintendo's tos

RandomDSdevel

@Chris That's the problem! People who start out with desktop-class programming languages and want to hack stuff together in their garages to sell are left completely out of the loop! This is exactly why Nintendo should release their SDKs to the public!

@IcyDefiance I meant online friends, though I could always toss people IRL a link for them to peruse and see if they want to do it or not…

Icy Defiance

11:35 PM

the other thing is, pretty much everyone has a PC. if you just want to make a game to show your friends, that's gonna work better than nintendo anyway.

Chris

@RandomDSdevel Write them a letter then lol

Icy Defiance

but I kind of like the pc master race joke, so I have to hold myself back in that discussion, lol

RandomDSdevel

I've tried that before, back in the heyday of the original Nintendo DS. Their response was, to paraphrase, "get a flashcart to save a development portfolio to."

Chris

I imagine in their eyes, if what you can create is good enough to sell and make money, they'll welcome you aboard. These days, I'd say things are a bit more looser in terms of who they'll embrace, but still it's a closed system with a company that wants to make money to be sustainable. And since their hardware has never been open-ended for anyone to start coding for, yeah, it'll be a huge shift if that ever happens

whereas Android has been open-ended from the get-go, and windows/linux/mac too, that's just how it is

nothing's stopping anyone from creating a whole new hardware console and operating system and SDK if they so see fit

(apart from time and money lol)

RandomDSdevel

The marketing of that new platform alone would be a major nightmare; I don't think I'd be up to it at the moment myself.

Chris

11:40 PM

yeah, I mean Ouya recently, that didn't work out too well, and that was even based on Android so wasn't completely from scratch

RandomDSdevel

That's still a direction I might consider in the future if things don't work out between me and Ninty in the long run, but I hope it doesn't come to anything like that.

In the meantime, I might do something like this:

1.) Finish learning how to program in C++ on OS X.

2.) Make some homebrew software for the original Nintendo DS using my flashcart.

3.) Build my portfolio from there across multiple systems, hopefully including some Ninty ones eventually.

Anyway, I guess I'll have to satisfy myself with that for the time being.

I'll catch you guys some other day, then.

Almo

@RandomDSdevel Well, that's not really how it works. Worse, even third party official developers have a tough time making any money on N consoles. N insists on doing the manufacturing for you, and they take a hefty cut. If you don't sell a ton, it's a losing proposition.

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