Game Development

one of my coworkers created a script to dump his aws usage fees to a cvs and automatically import them into a google chart on a web page hosted on the aws

Vaughan Hilts

You can't... legally. :)

Seth Battin

it was comical

hasherr

I have a card I can use.

Noctrine

@hasherr My ultimate recommendation - is to pay the 5/month on a digital ocean droplet

Vaughan Hilts

I own a VPS right now from ChicagoVPS

Seth Battin

12:33 AM

dreamhost, also good

Vaughan Hilts

2GB RAM, shared usage, 2TB in/out

30 bucks annual

hasherr

@Noctrine I'm not paying 5/month for a service that I'm only using for the weekend

Noctrine

.007 cent an hour

Vaughan Hilts

It's not exactly super fast, but it works.

Seth Battin

is it really just the weekend? aws is totally the way to go, then

hasherr

12:34 AM

I set up an AWS service the other day, does that help?

And I have my own card

Noctrine

Then yeah, just use the free tier

Vaughan Hilts

They give credit cards to children now?

I really missed the boat on that one.

Seth Battin

i had one when i was 14

hasherr

@VaughanHilts It's a debit card, but it'll work the same

Seth Battin

only needed a checking account

Vaughan Hilts

12:35 AM

Oh, those.

A lot of companies will reject those

hasherr

My parents got it for me when I turned 16 as a subtle hint that they wanted me to get a job

Seth Battin

mine was real

hasherr

@VaughanHilts Amazon doesn't.

Vaughan Hilts

We have those here, too but some places reject them. Good to know Amazon does not, though.

Noctrine

Yeah, you can get a real credit card as early as 16 I think?

Vaughan Hilts

12:36 AM

It's 18 here

(Canada)

Noctrine

I got mine at 17 when I was going into college

hasherr

I believe so, Noc

And I most likely will when I turn 17

Vaughan Hilts

That's because a minor can't enter a legal binding agreement

Or it's null and void

Seth Battin

ha

yeah, my limit was 500$

hasherr

You went to college at 17?

Noctrine

12:37 AM

@VaughanHilts Here minors can go into contracts, they just have the ability to break them.

Vaughan Hilts

I went to university when I was 17

Is that so weird?

Seth Battin

nope

hasherr

More unlikely than 'weird'

Vaughan Hilts

@Noctrine You can do that here, too but nobody in the right mind would... since a minor can plead anullment at any time.

Noctrine

The credit card companies fight extra hard to sign up students at school :\ - I wonder if they have some special protection

Vaughan Hilts

12:38 AM

Actually.. I started university when I was 16, going on 17.

Noctrine

Or really, I guess, they can just damage your credit and write you off. Student limits are usually very low.

hasherr

Okay, so if I enter my cc, how do I make sure it doesn't charge me?

Vaughan Hilts

They must, I guess... I have one at any rate.

Noctrine

@hasherr Don't go over the free limits

Vaughan Hilts

Check your statement monthly.

If it states a charge, you probably fucked up.

Noctrine

12:38 AM

There are all kinds of panels and tools you can use to monitor usage

hasherr

But it's free for a year, and then it'll charge me at the end?

Noctrine

docs.aws.amazon.com/gettingstarted/latest/awsgsg-intro/…

Vaughan Hilts

It was a year, is it forever now?

Noctrine

Just destroy the instance after that

It's a year

hasherr

@VaughanHilts It's still a year

Noctrine

12:39 AM

Hopefully in a year you'll be making all the paper off of malware tycoon

Vaughan Hilts

So, I bought a PS4 today.

Hopefully it's not a brick >_>

hasherr

Alright, AWS is up for me

Oh, Amazon, you're so nice

Vaughan Hilts

They're not being nice. They're hoping you slip up :'D

hasherr

lel

I hope they know I'm significantly better at computers than a normal 16 year old, so that isn't likely.

But anything can happen.

Noctrine

Make sure you set up usage and billing alerts

They are expecting you to be worse than an army of sysadmins or opsdevs

Vaughan Hilts

12:43 AM

@hasherr Your typical sixteen year old isn't really their demographic..

hasherr

That's very true haha

Noctrine

General tips for continued cheapness

Vaughan Hilts

One easy way to lose is get yourself DDOS'd

Noctrine

1. Don't post links to your site on reddit, /., hackernews, etc

Vaughan Hilts

Watch your bandwidth poof

hasherr

12:44 AM

lol

Noctrine

2. Set up analytics, and rate limiting. DDOS attacks are trivial these days

hasherr

Jeez, I wish you guys would've warned me about this stuff before I made it

Noctrine

Anyone with a facebook account, or google docs could engineer a DDOS in no time.

Seth Battin

or charles proxy

select request, select repeat count

Vaughan Hilts

Or Low Orbit Ion Cannon :)

hasherr

12:45 AM

Alright, well, let's get back to the real issue: databases

Grey

Seth Battin

hey look at that, something about a game!

Noctrine

@Grey What's that

Vaughan Hilts

@Grey What am I looking at

Noctrine

Isn't hasherr doing all this for a game?

Seth Battin

12:45 AM

:|

Vaughan Hilts

@Noctrine No, it's some web app

:\

Web Service**

haha noo

Craft Studio Map :o

12:46 AM

Noc still doesn't know about project UltraRad

Noctrine

Only interested in Malware tycoon >>

Grey

Or about Project Falcon XXXX

hasherr

1 min ago, by Noctrine

@Grey What's that

Seemed pretty interested in that

:P

Vaughan Hilts

I'll just go file a patent for malware tycoon..

Noctrine

:p

Grey

12:47 AM

d:p

Noctrine

I stopped asking after I found out it wasn't malware tycoon

hasherr

lol

Grey

What if I told you....

hasherr

Malware Tycoon is on hold for me, currently

Grey

It's malware tycoon

Noctrine

12:47 AM

That's why I asked, "Whats that" instead of "Is that malware tycoon"

hasherr

Project UltraRad is mas importante

Grey

co men-na sai

@noctrine

hasherr

Okay, enough chitter-chatter, databases

Noctrine

co men-na sai?

Vaughan Hilts

No malware tycoon, no databases.

Grey

12:48 AM

Japanese I think for "Please forgive me"

SpartanDonut

Pip, Grey, and hasherr all have projects that seem to be priority over MT

hasherr

:(

Noctrine

gomen-na sai

Vaughan Hilts

Do something radical and hip like CouchDB or RavenDB

Seth Battin

good god

Grey

12:48 AM

I TOLD HIM VAUGHAN he wouldn't listen

hasherr

@SpartanDonut Students get busy too, you know.

Vaughan Hilts

(That was sarcasm.)

Grey

(I'm jamming)

I got 3 hours of sleep

Seth Battin

you ain't busy

Vaughan Hilts

@hasherr This was an optional project last I checked

Hehe, highschool busy

Grey

12:49 AM

u tryin ta tell us that not paying bills an feeding off our parents is not busy?

Noctrine

Had such high hopes for GD Minor League :(

Seth Battin

yeah, seriously, highschool is the easiest you'll ever have it

Vaughan Hilts

University is much worse. :)

hasherr

Might be optional, but would you turn it down?

Noctrine

I was gonna give you guys a real version of that logo I sent

SpartanDonut

12:49 AM

Hopes shattered

Vaughan Hilts

I can't project past university, but

Grey

@Noctrine omg

WAIT

Noctrine

Man, I wish I could go back to HS. I used to do soooo much coding

Vaughan Hilts

@h

hasherr

@VaughanHilts I never said we're as busy/busier than you guys.

Vaughan Hilts

12:49 AM

@hasherr Yes, yes I did.

Grey

@hasherr LOOK

Noctrine

I was measurably worse. But...

Seth Battin

what you should do is impregnate someone

Vaughan Hilts

My Grade 12 Calculus teacher tried to bribe me into making an android app for him

Grey

Haha I coded too much my grades suffered from it :<

Seth Battin

12:50 AM

then you'll have all the free time in the world

Vaughan Hilts

I nope'd out of that one quickly.

hasherr

@VaughanHilts And you didn't?

Noctrine

"Can I use your class to do it? And you just give me an A"

Vaughan Hilts

Nope.

That's exactly what he said Noctrine lmao

@Noctrine *

hasherr

@SethBattin I'd rather shoot myself than tell my parents I got a girl pregnant

Noctrine

12:50 AM

I would have taken that offer sooooo quickly.

Seth Battin

it's not your parents that you would need to worry about

Noctrine

Malware tycoon screenshots and you get that logo :p

Vaughan Hilts

Since I was always practicing for ECOO (the programming contest local to here) in his class all the time.

So I was like... nah, I don't free labour heh

hasherr

@SethBattin Rest of my life, yeah

Vaughan Hilts

And then there's expecations, trust and infidelity.. yuck.

Grey

12:51 AM

@Noctrine okokokk

hasherr

That, or...

Well, this is off-topic

Grey

@hasherr we need that logo

Seth Battin

a bit :)

hasherr

Nopefuckit.jpg

Too busy

Grey

Son.

hasherr

12:52 AM

DON'T CALL ME SON

I AM OLD ENOUGH TO BE YOUR FATHER

Grey

nah

Vaughan Hilts

John went from zero stars to 14. I'm going to have to remember that trick.

Noctrine

Hmmm, I should probably get to making things.

hasherr

Same, but then grey and vaughan joined and crushed everyone's hopes and dreams

Noctrine

►

Vaughan Hilts

12:53 AM

@Noctrine Share the motivation, I just literally finished all my exams 3 hours ago :)

Noctrine

Somehow, people are doing all the other things on the projects that I'm working on on time. So I'm starting to get backlogged :(

I'd show some stuff, but I feel self-conscious, cause it's not good enough yet

Vaughan Hilts

It can't be worse than my joke of an A-Start implementation I did yesterday for the first time.

O(N) searches everywhere

hasherr

@SethBattin Okay, so I've got AWS set up, now what's so good about it and how is it going to help me get my database on the webservice

Vaughan Hilts

@hasherr It's a virtual computer you can control

Seth Battin

i don't know, never used it before :)

Vaughan Hilts

12:56 AM

So... it can do anything you want it to do :)

SpartanDonut

That sentence didn't even make sense...

Seth Battin

@Noctrine, help hasherr

Noctrine

So out of the three choices:
 1. Relationship graph for visual novel fighting thingie I've been working on.
 2. Character art for visual novel fighting thingie I've been working on.
 3. New website I've been working on.

hasherr

Leave Noctrine to his things, Vaughan is plenty

Noctrine

What sounds most interesting

Vaughan Hilts

12:56 AM

Step 1: Pick desired database technology

Noctrine

^^

hasherr

MYSQL

Vaughan Hilts