Game Development

what's the problem with people reusing code anyway? unless you're big enough that suing all the copycats is impossible, or you want to improve security through obscurity.

as long as they're not just republishing the exact same game

Alex M.

you know, sooner or later, a decent canvas tutorial will pop up, but:

1) you're fooling yourself if you think you're somehow diminishing the competition by making your code harder to read

Dave

10:07 PM

i could make one .

well it feels bitter to work from blank for 2 years for some one else to copy pasta

Alex M.

if there's someone able to make something worthy of earning money, you can be sure they already know what they need to do

Dave

as i made my own library im sure no one will use it anyway :P

Alex M.

or more exactly, there are more reliable sources than your library for the job at hand

Dave

i might yet just convert to APK for devices as those u cannot fully decrypt

Icy Defiance

like I said, if they're not republishing the same game, the only thing you should feel is pride that someone found some portion of your code to be great enough to reuse

Dave

10:08 PM

@IcyDefiance if i got credited i guess so

Icy Defiance

if they are republishing the same game, take legal action

Alex M.

2) your code is not worthy of being copy-pasted at all

Dave

thats hard to do if they in usa im in uk :P

plus legal action is impossible for a lone dev like me unless the law helps us little poor people

Alex M.

judging by how poorly written you say it is, only some random noob would attempt to adopt it immediately

Icy Defiance

ah, you need to switch locations then. then you can arrest anyone. :D

Alex M.

10:09 PM

so totally no competition for you

Dave

its not poor written i just use things like :

var tg = gh + 23.3;

Alex M.

and of course, 3) NOBODY CARES ENOUGH

Dave

tells you nothing but my word doc tells me what tg and gh hold etc

Alex M.

you're like those people who have some sort of idea for a business but won't share it with someone else

because the others might steal it

Dave

right cos its not like business's dont apply for patents for same thing ;)

Alex M.

10:12 PM

patents don't mean much

Dave

have you not seen these smart devices law suits going on left right and center

Alex M.

you're a small guy - you patent something - Microsoft uses what you patented and won't ask or pay you

you sue them, with your $X thousands budget

they've got $100 mil budget

WHAT DO YOU DO

Dave

id have to represent myself :P if i got a patent on it u cannot really lose

Icy Defiance

lol

Alex M.

lol

anyway, the idea is that pretty much nobody cares about your business idea

Dave

10:14 PM

but i guess theres alot of fine lines and differences that they will argue :P

Alex M.

and certainly won't make an investment in money and effort to work on someone else's idea

that was the point

Icy Defiance

money/fame > justice. see every single celebrity trial ever.

Alex M.

also, take a look at all of those INCREDIBLY RARE events when a small company won in a lawsuit against a giant like Microsoft

and see if they're actually telling you if:

1) Microsoft did pay

2) Microsoft didn't appeal and win afterwards

Dave

theres probably alot of out of court situations

Alex M.

how the fuck do I get caught in these exotic discussions anyway

I'll get back to my coding

Dave

10:16 PM

discussions are fun

Icy Defiance

the out of court situations would be more like "you let this go or you will be spending enough money on the trial to bankrupt your company even if you did win"

or "pay us $5k instead, or we'll counter sue about so-and-so"

btw Dave, do you plan to be earning any money on what you're making, or is it just a personal project?

Dave

its a pay " for perks "but you can also earn them free the long way by playing

so im not aiming for money as my main goal as i would probably produce crap rushed game

if i cover server cost i consider it a success

Alex M.

here's a nice talk on the topic

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I'll end the discussion with this

one of the mistakes listed there is exactly the one about patents

Icy Defiance

at any rate, big companies will copy your game if it gets any success, even if they don't use your code. see every game Zynga has ever released. It's so commonplace that they don't even try to hide it anymore.
and if any small-timer copies it, DMCA should help

Alex M.

when you, as a small dude, think you're safe if you patented something

and why you'll always lose when someone bigger than you takes you on

Dave

10:20 PM

its a shame the law wont protect the little dude

some times the little dudes are the ones who come up with the best ideas

Alex M.

as @IcyDefiance said, at the most extreme level, they'll just drag you through courts until you are left with no money, if you keep on protecting your stuff

Icy Defiance

it's the big guys that make the laws. of course they don't protect the little ones.

Alex M.

yes, it's the little dudes that come up with an idea

and that "little" is good too

if you're little and stepping on Microsoft's patents, it's quite a great chance for them to leave you alone

Dave

well when your house bound and poor being robbed by big industry is no fun :(

Alex M.

what benefit would be to sue a company with a tiny budget? Microsoft won't gain much

Dave

10:22 PM

true

Icy Defiance

dunno, MPAA loves to do that

Alex M.

if you gain enough for the big dogs to care about you, you probably have enough money for a lawsuit anyway

Dave

if EA rob my idea i feel fine as they balls everything up normally xD

Icy Defiance

nah EA doesn't rob ideas, they just use the same ones they had 15 years ago, over and over and over.

Alex M.

Gameloft robs ideas

man, I hate that company even more than Zynga

all of their games are basically ripoffs, except for the branded games like Iron Man and whatever

NOVA is Halo

Asphalt is Burnout

Dave

10:24 PM

one i hate is the crazy of building like a isometric town in an app

press the building to get coins and repeat

Code Assassin

@AlexM. yes

Alex M.

they even have a ripoff of Starcraft

a Starcraft ripoff!!

what the hell

Gangstar is GTA

Code Assassin

Yeah GameLoft does make clones

Icy Defiance

lol Starcraft has to be one of the hardest games in existence to ripoff

Code Assassin

Mobile Clones

Icy Defiance

10:25 PM

and make any money from, that is

Almo

gameloft owned by the Guillmots, who own Ubisoft

Dave

no one copied pacman i noticed

Code Assassin

@IcyDefiance They made tons of money from NOVA

Alex M.

idownloadblog.com/2011/03/01/…

Code Assassin

the first one and the second at least

Dave

10:26 PM

isnt star craft simliar to age of empires but a different theme

Alex M.

Modern Combat is Modern Warfare

(Call of Duty)

Code Assassin

Yep

Dave

Battlefield more like

Alex M.

@Dave dude... no

@Dave dude... nox2

Dave

you think COD is more modern combat than battlefield ?

get out >.>

Icy Defiance

10:27 PM

eh, gameplay is similar to AoE, but it's nowhere near the same game.

Alex M.

Battlefield is a massive multiplayer FPS

Code Assassin

@IcyDefiance ^

Alex M.

its specifics are HUGE maps

Dave

it has COD size maps too lol

Alex M.

with tons of vechicles and players on

Dave

10:27 PM

yeh so... modern combat..

combat isn't limited to walking on foot

Alex M.

modern combat is a shitty campaign game

with small maps

Dave

i see

Alex M.

modern combat is a ripoff of Call of Duty

thetoptens.com/best-gameloft-clones

Dave

is game dev tycoon on pc same as the one in apps?

or different company?

Alex M.

it's the same I think

Dave

10:29 PM

oh ok

anyway why would they rip of COD, when COD is a rip off is rubbish =/

Alex M.

what is CoD ripping off?

Dave

its ripping off its modern warfare 1

:P

hasnt changed since.

Alex M.

and there I was expecting a decent answer

Dave

although the new one has dogs... so... yeh pushing the limits now

Alex M.

like "Quake" or "Counter Strike"

Dave

10:31 PM

i think CS closer linked to COD than Quake

Alex M.

CoD is the fastest multiplayer FPS I've played since Quake, that isn't an exact descendant

Dave

oh yeh its v.fast i agree

Alex M.

the fast gameplay started with Quake

Dave

i don't like the arcade feel to it tho i want bullet drop etc like BF style personally

quake was awesome

Alex M.

in terms of gameplay speed, to keep the comparison between the two worlds, Battlefield is more like Unreal Tournament

man this makes me want to play UT again

the awesome Assaults in UT '99

and the huge maps with vehicles in 2004 <3

I left UT '99 at the last level when I played it months ago

here, have a piece of a real game

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Dave

10:36 PM

thanks

Alex M.

UT never reached the fame it deserved :(

people were leaning more towards Quake 3 Arena's fast gameplay

UT is so much more than Q3

Q3 can only go as far as CTF

Almo

UT is better for deathmatch. Q3 is better for CTF, especially 3Wave CTFS

since there's no real way to move faster in UT, its CTF is not as interesting.

Since the weapons in Quake 3 aren't intricate, deathmatch isn't as interesting

Alex M.

I was going to highlight the extra match types when comparing with Q3

like Assault or Domination

Almo

here's a manuver I pulled in a Q3 match to grab the flag: youtube.com/watch?v=i6rqumD-9Hk

Dom was good. Assault was busted

piston jumping kind of broke it

Alex M.

in what ways?

Almo

10:40 PM

you could skip half the level on overlord by jumping in the big gun hole on the beach

more than half the level actually

Alex M.

never tried that lol

Almo

most of the levels had problems like that

Alex M.

actually I don't remember being able to jump very high with the piston

or what do you mean by gun hole?

I remember the layout of overlord being two bunkers on the beach

two towers

and the mortar thingies near the entrance to the base

when defending I'd sit in a tower which also spawned a sniper IIRC

also nice @ Q3 move

Almo

I don't really remember any more... I just remember not playing assault any more after seeing that

thanks :)

gotta go do dinner

talk to you guys later :)

Alex M.

well Overlord was the final mission in Assault

so you played it all :D

BlueBug

10:43 PM

me dinner as well hungry ttyl.

Alex M.

(campaign-wise)

not multiplayer

unfortunately I did not get to play enough mp ut 99 as I'd have wished :(

what I did play was the original unreal gold in mp

fun on dm_terra

<3 that map

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top comment: *walks into Blizz corp after playing "Diablo 3"*
...The sanctity of this place has been fouled.
My wallet's $60 WILL be avenged...

haha, I agree with this dude

BlueBug

only played diablo 2

damn good game it was.

Alex M.

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you don't get this level of grim in Diablo 3

BlueBug

true diablo 3 is too... well i mean it's a good game

Alex M.

2:19 - it's farnham

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BlueBug

10:49 PM

i can't quite verbalize the feelings that differ D3, but the game sorta feels like quite missing.

Alex M.

Blizzard is now all about pandas and zerg boobs

Code Assassin

lol

BlueBug

oh yeah now I get it. D3 feels more like action slash game; nothing more or less.

that must be why i felt as if the game had shallow depth.

Alex M.

the problem with D3 is that the story is so stupid it feels like a shitty action movie with dolph lundgren

and everything else is WoW

BlueBug

I once saw a wizard of the same level, but his items were too OP. He slew all the monsters I had to struggle running and blinking with a single beam.

I felt worthless and cheated; bought op items with real money.

Alex M.

10:58 PM

yup

Code Assassin

Anyone ever heard of Indie Complex? They are a nice podcast channel for indies on the tube.

BlueBug

felt so much power; quit the game next week;silly.

Code Assassin

This is why you regulate items of power with level nums.

Or not... but then why make it in the first place. The player doesn't really work for it.

(in-game) at least

Dave

11:20 PM

i like turtles

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