Game Development

Gustavo - Gtoknu

4:03 PM

C#

doesnt unity uses Mono?

Liukas

no, no

i want to as if i can convert int to bytes in unity client and then send it

or maybe there is a better way to send it

Gustavo - Gtoknu

yes, you can convert a int to bytes. you can search a method to do it on unity, or do by yourselft with bit shifts

Liukas

what about this stream.WriteByte(data.Lenght); ??

i could somehow turn that byte into a number

Gustavo - Gtoknu

data.Lenght is a int, it has four bytes, not just one

dependending on the endianness it may work.

but if the size is greater than 255 you'll have problems

Code Assasssin

@James I believe it was TFCraft?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

4:08 PM

@CodeAssasssin are you able to do some artwork for me?

Code Assasssin

@GustavoGtoknu Sure, what is it?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

I've got the GUI working on the editor, buttons to select the tools and all that. but the buttons are identified by numbers, i wanted something like a icon of a pencil, a icon of a eraser, etc

As you're the master of ripping heh

Code Assasssin

Lol

What size?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

32x 32

or 16x16

Code Assasssin

Okay I'll send them to u brb

Gustavo - Gtoknu

4:10 PM

either is good

pencil, eraser, color picker and color bucket

Thanks little tweak :)

going to make the color scroll bars now

Code Assasssin

4:28 PM

o: iconarchive.com

Gustavo - Gtoknu

thanks :o

Code Assasssin

Lol - I didn't know which ones to pick lol

Was looking for something grayish - but they have a lot of web 2.0 icons

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu hey

what about sending the lenght like this:

stream.Write(data.Lenght, 0, data.Length);

Gustavo - Gtoknu

won't work

but you could try stream.Write(data.lenght, 0, 4);

Liukas

anyway why do i have to write the lenght if i dont even read it?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

4:34 PM

@CodeAssasssin What do u think designcontest.com/free-outline-icons ?

-.-

you DO read, if you dont, then you HAVE to.

user4704

@GustavoGtoknu Don't hardcode the size like that :(

Code Assasssin

@GustavoGtoknu Me Gusta(Me Like)

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@JoshPetrie It's his way to do it lol.

Liukas

what part does it? int lenght = inB.readInt();
char[] buffer = new char[lenght];
for(int i = 0; i < lenght; ++i)
{
buffer[i] = inB.readChar();
}
String message = new String(buffer);
s = message;
break;

Gustavo - Gtoknu

iconarchive.com/show/outline-icons-by-designcontest.html

int lenght = inB.readInt();

Code Assasssin

4:36 PM

@GustavoGtoknu Looks nice, you should use it

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu it reads first 4 bytes

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Liukas And isnt your string lenght 4 bytes? lol

i mean, the lenght of the int saying the lenght.

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu but first i write ID byte

Gustavo - Gtoknu

havent you already read the ID at this part? lol.

user4704

What problem are we solving exactly?

Code Assasssin

4:40 PM

@JoshPetrie can haz free Guild Wars?

(Trolol)

user4704

Game's not even out yet :P

user4704

Assuming you mean GW2.

Code Assasssin

Take my money now :(

user4704

but you can totally head over to buy.guildwars2.com

user4704

and I will happily take your money

Code Assasssin

4:42 PM

Lol

Gustavo - Gtoknu

I don't even have CPU enough to run the game ):

user4704

who cares maybe you will in the future.

user4704

buy it anyhow!

Damir

Buy it, Josh needs a new yacht :D

Liukas

Josh is the developer of GW2? xD

JMRboosties

4:46 PM

cool we have a real life professional dev in here

what kind of work do you do on gw2?

Liukas

that is so cool!

Gustavo - Gtoknu

he's the lead developer and the lead artist and the director and the producer :o

Liukas

wow

user4704

There are several professional developers who visit this site.

user4704

I'm an engineering lead at ArenaNet, I run shared technology teams.

Kikaimaru

4:51 PM

srsly, its the opcode guy again? :)

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Talking about professionals, where is Trevor Powell :o, has been a long time i dont see him online

Kikaimaru

oh its length of the string now, thats ok .)

Liukas

i bet you all finished universities or something

user4704

Why would that matter?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

+1

Kikaimaru

4:53 PM

+2

thelinuxlich

+N^2

Liukas

i just think this isn't the best plase for my questions

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Lot of great genious didnt even finished the high school, like Walt Disney :)

stephelton

i never graduated college...

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Knowledge isn't found just on schools, little.

user4704

4:55 PM

I mean, I finished and went to grad school for a bit, but that doesn't really amount for much. Plus I went to a terrible school anyhow.

stephelton

you don't need school if you have passion

4

Code Assasssin

Back o:

user4704

I don't know that I'd agree with that, per se.

Liukas

how old were you guys when you started developing stuff?

user4704

Six.

Code Assasssin

4:56 PM

@JoshPetrie o.O

user4704

My first language was Hypertalk.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Eight :)

Code Assasssin

12

James

@CodeAssasssin Haha, Yeah that is a fun mod :)

thelinuxlich

13

Kikaimaru

4:57 PM

14

15

user4704

Actually maybe five.

TreDubZedd

How old were you when you actually started understanding what you were doing?

user4704

Hypercard came out in 1987 and I was born in 1982. So something like five or six.

Code Assasssin

@JoshPetrie o.o

Liukas

you mean you vere programing when you were 6?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

4:58 PM

@TreDubZedd I'd say 9 or 10

Code Assasssin

@TreDubZedd 12

user4704

That's when I started, yeah.

James

I started at 11

Code Assasssin

Or not :/

stephelton

i started writing html / javascript when i was 13, didn't start doing game dev stuff until i was 20

Gustavo - Gtoknu

4:59 PM

@CodeAssasssin you still dont understand your code lol

MarkR

html and javascript hadn't been invented until I was 20

Code Assasssin

@GustavoGtoknu Delete. Delete. Delete

stephelton

haha

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@JoshPetrie Quick question, when did you first famous release was released? :o

user4704

The first commercial product I worked on was Rise of Legends.

Liukas

5:00 PM

i started web development when i was 14. now i'm 16 and i started TRYING to develope games half a year ago

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Indie or already on a enterprise?

user4704

It was a commercial product.

user4704

Not an indie project.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

awesome

Code Assasssin

Someone threatens my genius at my CS902 class lol

Being the only 12 year old in the class, there is another kid who has challenged me to a programming contest

rage

Sunday - In Computer Science Lab

Lolzy

stephelton

5:03 PM

@Liukas, you're young, have some patience

Code Assasssin

Im going to lose :D

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@CodeAssasssin even if you "win" it wont worth nothing.

Liukas

@stephelton you mean i should learn stuff before developing games?

Code Assasssin

@GustavoGtoknu Lol

stephelton

@Liukas i have no idea what you do or don't know... but you have to start somewhere. if you know enough programming that you can make some games, i see no reason not to start.

Liukas

5:07 PM

what do you think about engines like Unity?

Damir

What do you want to learn @Liukas?

Liukas

programing

Code Assasssin

Thats a bit broad.

Damir

If you want to make games and work on mechanics, game design and such stuff go with Unity or such.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

I would say it's better to learn how a game works. Even if you go with unity.

I mean, not work on your game engine NO.

but actually try to understand at least what a cross and dot product is.

Damir

5:11 PM

If you want to learn how a game engine works, how to draw sprites, how to register input, how to do networking, etc. try to code your own simple engine.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

People often choose unity because it is easy to make a game and all that, but actually dont even understand what he's doing. Because unity is doing it.

Damir

Depending on whichever of these you want to do.

user4704

Just write a bunch of games; little games even.

user4704

I write asteroids all the time, as a means of learning new languages or technologies.

user4704

Or space invaders.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

5:12 PM

I've never released nothing, but I really have lots of little projects on my hard disk :)

Code Assasssin

@GustavoGtoknu Lol I've seen for myself :D

Gustavo - Gtoknu

C#, C++, Java, some VERY old projects in pascal

user4704

I remember Pascal.

stephelton

@Liukas, you don't have to know what you want to learn right now :) if that question is hard to answer, i'd suggest you start writing a very simple game like pong. as you make more games, you'll start to realize what you like most

Gustavo - Gtoknu

And by the way, I would say for you to stay away of networking for now.

Is your focus learn how to dev games or networking?

Dave

5:17 PM

wow busy today

Liukas

@stephelton i developed a very simple 2D rpg game without a normal gameplay(android, java), but i did it without any engines or something. It was fun, but the bad thing was that i cant express my imagination when my knowledge is so limited

Damir

@Dave and Gajet's back, if you haven't seen him.

Dave

yeh :) i will speak to him when hes on later :) yay

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu i would like to focus on both

stephelton

@Liukas why don't you set aside your limitations for a sec, come up with your game idea, and then try to understand what challenges you'd have to overcome to implement it..?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

5:20 PM

@Liukas IMHO its better if you focus on just one.

Gajet

@dave I'm here

Gustavo - Gtoknu

one step at a time.

Dave

@Gajet hey dude - i found some issues with the path finder

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu what does IMHO mean? :D

Gajet

now I'm thinking I've even replied you asking for jsfiddle link

Dave

5:21 PM

i didn't get such a notification

Gajet

@Liukas in my humble opinion

Dave

but ill post it now

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Btw, you have a game if you dont have networking, but you have just a bunch of data going through cables if you have network but dont have game, So i'd say to learn game dev first :)

2

Gajet

@everyone IMHO don't even try learning unity.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

+1

Gajet

5:22 PM

it's just a rubbish gameengine

Lol

+1 again.

@Gajet why?

what engine would u recommend then :P

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Well, I think it worth much more a simple 2D game made by yourself, than just some 3d models thrown in a editor with 5 lines of script that you could call a "first person shooter made by me on unity"

Liukas

5:24 PM

your own engine

Dave

well yes but for some people that ain't an option

time = money

Gajet

developing your engine sure works good

Code Assasssin

I never do game development for money - at least not now :P

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Ah, that's fine, but I guess most people here aren't so obsessed for money and time :P

Dave

no if you're driven to make money by making a game.. expect dissapointment

Gajet

5:25 PM

beside that for now I recommend esenthel for 3D and cocos2d for 2d development

Liukas

i think i will go back to 2D java projects, because i realised i skiped a lot of important stuff

Gajet

also ogre3D is nice, if you don't care!

Gustavo - Gtoknu

btw I'm using Ogre3D and loving it :)

Code Assasssin

Ogre3D = Very Unkind to beginners :(

Gustavo - Gtoknu

You're right

Gajet

5:26 PM

@Liukas I've started a new thread right now, so don't worry about missing anything, you even replied to my first message!

Dave

thats why there is game dev and stack overflow @CodeAssasssin

Gustavo - Gtoknu

What i could do in irrlicht in 20 minutes i got like 2 hours on Ogre

Gajet

@CodeAssasssin agreed, but still it does what it's supposed to do

Code Assasssin

@Gajet Of course it's a good engine.

Gajet

I didn't have any experience with irrlicht

Code Assasssin

5:27 PM

Is it an engine?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

But after everything was setup, Ogre give me much less headaches. Irrlicht design isnt that good.

Code Assasssin

o.O

Gustavo - Gtoknu

OGRE is a OO GR aphics E ngine

Dave

So R stands for... ?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

hehe missed

Dave

5:28 PM

lol !

JMRboosties

never used ogre

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Object oriented graphics engine

Gajet

but OGRE stores too much data, more than actually needed

what if I don't want to name my objects?

Dave

the examples for OGRE like the golf course images sure look nice

Gajet

bb in 30mins

Gustavo - Gtoknu

5:30 PM

@Gajet If you don't want to name, OGRE will give a random name for them, you actually have no choice. Yeah, that's bad, but nothing i would care too much.

and btw, irrlicht is nice, was the first real 3d engine i came across

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Gajet, Give me a ping when you're back. :)

Liukas

do i need libraries when i develope games using java?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

But if you need something more mature for long time projects, ogre seems a better option, as it's design is more open for extensions, it's more OO, and all that.

Gajet

@WilliamMindWorXMariager since I'm still here

ping what?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Liukas Usually LWJGL should be enough

Damir

5:32 PM

@Liukas You can make simple 2D games with Java's standard libraries

Gajet

dinner called, but it seems it was not ready yet

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu thanks ;)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Gajet You know, let me know when you're back. :P I need you to test my game real quick. :)

Liukas

@Damir thank you 2

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Switched out the networking engine, I wanna see how bad it's going to be with something as horrid as your connection. :P

Gustavo - Gtoknu

5:32 PM

Btw guys, what do you think about the D language for game developing?

Gajet

@GustavoGtoknu agreed, OGRE is well dsigned

Damir

@GustavoGtoknu Didn't know about this

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu is it hard to install LWJGL? :)

Gustavo - Gtoknu

It seems a managed C++ but it lack libraries, what make me fear about trying it.

Dave

@gajet jsfiddle.net/8nyYH/71

Gajet

5:34 PM

@WilliamMindWorXMariager I'm still thinking about adding a new entry to my jobs list, by the way

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Gajet, legeria.net/legeria-latest-debug.zip Let me know when you have a minute. :)

Gajet

run your server

Kikaimaru

what do you have against unity? ogre is real mess in comparison

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Liukas lwjgl.org/wiki/index.php?title=Main_Page#Getting_started

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It's running. :)

Dave

5:35 PM

@gajet imgur.com/yUzuN this is what happens ( i don't know why your visualizer doesn't load? )

Gajet

@dave it doesn't show anything

Dave

yeh i dunno why =/ all i changed was sdata?

Gustavo - Gtoknu

@Kikaimaru At least Ogre lets you manage what you're doing.

Kikaimaru

@GustavoGtoknu what do you mean

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Gajet, Invalid password.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

5:36 PM

@Kikaimaru Unity hides lots of stuff :P

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Gajet, Better.

Gajet

seems I used a wrong password

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Server hasn't crashed yet. :D

Gajet

but I can't see anything loaded

Gustavo - Gtoknu

Not that it's bad at all, but people usually just "develop" games blindly on it without knowing what they're actually doing.

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

5:37 PM

Still not? Might take a bit of time.

Gajet

nope not showing anything

Liukas

@GustavoGtoknu are you also using it? :)

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

Did it show that it received messages in the console window?

Oh wait

Gajet

but I have a concurrent 3KBps upload and download

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

It shouldn't show, I disabled those messages. Silly me.

Gustavo - Gtoknu

5:38 PM

@Liukas nope. I prefer to manage my own stuff.

Gajet

NetworkComponent::Update
- NetIncomingMessageType.DebugMessage
- - Socket bound to 0.0.0.0:65206: True
NetworkComponent::Update
- NetIncomingMessageType.DebugMessage
- - Network thread started
NetworkComponent::Update
- NetIncomingMessageType.StatusChanged
- - Connected
NetworkComponent::Update
- NetIncomingMessageType.DebugMessage
- - Initiated average roundtrip time to 517.18 ms Remote time is: 96.2190217971802

@GustavoGtoknu exactly that is my problem, you start having a problem with your game,

and you can't possibly find out what is going wrong

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

@Gajet, you didn't get a message containing a GUID?

Damir

@Liukas I'm trying it out. It's much faster to explore game design ideas then to roll your own engine

Gajet

@WilliamMindWorXMariager I still got a corn flower blue screen, with all those messages in log

William 'MindWorX' Mariager

How odd.

Liukas

5:41 PM