@Catija Your remark about the plot things being at the bottom of the bullet list while being the most important is interesting, though. I might just reorganize those points then.

@NapoleonWilson I hoped you might consider that. :D

Are there any words and remarks about the specific wordings I added into the ID tag popup proposal based on the answers given? Otherwise, I'd call the bosses onto it shortly.

@NapoleonWilson What's the wording?

@Walt The ones I added into the proposal, as said.

The one that starts with "Please provide everything you remember in your question"?

@Walt The ones in the specific bullet points of the bullet list.

Yeah, I might have some input. Sorry, I forgot about this post

The order, for one. Year and country should be first, IMO. And it does seem too long.

Genre is stupid. Most people don't actually know the genre.

Updated accordingly.

@Catija I disagree

Or not. ;-(

You could trim it down a bit and simplify it. If it's too long and complex, people might ignore it.

Like

If you have a specific wording idea beyond minor corrections, feel free to propose it in an answer.

The current version is already trimmed down and simplified... and non-useful. Honestly, I don't think changing the text will do anything. I think making it appear sooner and re-positioning will do a lot more than changing the content.

@Catija Well, I think we should try all of that

@Walt Hmm, interesting.

and "Descriptions of characters\locations". Just trim a few words here and there

The actor one seems fine, I guess

Is there a reason that "Characters" is capitalized?

Updated.

@Catija Honestly, I do think genre helps sometimes (from my experience, anyway).

As for the order

@Walt You have more than I... though I've seen people call something one genre and it's not that genre... people just have crappy memories.

@Walt Sorry, but no, plot and descriptions always go over meta data.

@NapoleonWilson He makes a good argument. Most ID questions have plot... except the really odd failure.

@NapoleonWilson It's a reminder, though, and they need less reminding about plot

@Catija But not enough and it's not in the flowtext already. It would be different if the flow-text would already mention it.

Genre could also go last, though

@Walt They do. Some plot is not necessarily enough plot.

@NapoleonWilson ... "enough plot" isn't going to be fixed by telling them to include plot. People are idiots.

Hmm, also true.

@NapoleonWilson If it can't be done, that's OK. But I stand by my point; I've commented "Year? Country\language?" so many times, this is mainly what I want gone

@Walt It has to be anyway, otherwise it's very visually displeasing.

@Walt It's not that it can't be done. If the communtiy thinks this order is better I'll change it.

@Walt And I want people to simply be more friggin' elaborate.

@NapoleonWilson True

Meh, updated.

Well, whatever works

> Questions that only present an arbitrary picture found on the internet without enough detail about the film they are from or even without being sure that it is an actor at all are likely to get closed.

Change to:

> Questions that only present an image found on the internet without enough detail about the film it is from or even without being sure that it is an actor at all are likely to get closed.

I don't think it matters if the image is "arbitrary" or not... it's just an image.

Sure, updated.

'suffice' in that sentence is also... a bit odd. Not that it's wrong, per se. But 'meet' is probably simpler and easier to understand

Or satisfy

@Walt I'll take meet and standards.

Or follow or suit

I'm a bleedin' thesaurus now

Why are we telling them they can edit their question when they haven't even posted it yet.

...

But he doesn't explain it.

I just hope the whole voting pattern on that post won't suddenly change after all that time when people start actually reading the post all of a sudden.

I haven't voted on anything yet.... except the general post.

> Further, most users tend to reply with comments to add these details rather than editing their original question with additional details whenever they're asked for more details, or simply remember them. Providing them with a simple reminder that they can always edit their own posts could go a long way in, "Please add these details to your post," comments.

Well, I voted on Mike's but that's basic.

... but they're not going to read that much text. We can't give them a primer to SE in a "write a better ID question" box.

The only way that they'll read it is if it magically pops up on every question tagged ID and prevents them from submitting until they have read it and agreed that their question includes all of that data.

I don't feel it's overly long, especially after we just trimmed it. But at the end of the day I just went by the answers that were given and upvoted.

I've dealt with questions posted by new users lately, and in the past, that would add new details as comments or as answers rather than editing their original question. I feel that letting possibly new, low rep users know they can always edit their own posts and should do so when adding info is good.

So simply say "You can always edit your question if you remember more later".

Neither did I want to discuss the entire idea here in chat right now. I only asked people what they think about the specific wording, to which I have received and incorporated constructive feedback accordingly.

@Catija Good idea.

@NapoleonWilson Is that detail in the original post, or has the change been made to that popover?

@MattD Which original post?

@Catija Right, shorter phrasing is absolutely good, and in no way did I say or feel that my wording should be used exactly as I typed it. I was just throwing out ideas for what to add that might work better.

I have a hungry husband to pick up and feed.

@MattD I was more responding to Napoleon, not arguing with your wording. Just so happened that your comment matched mine.

@Catija I'm a hungry husband that needs to pack up and head home to eat ham sammiches.

@Catija Gotcha, my bad.

Updated.

@NapoleonWilson Looks good to me

@NapoleonWilson That looks good to me as well.

Works for me.

Latah y'all.

Well, apart from a grammar issue :P

But that's irrelevant

@Walt Which?

@Walt Why?

@MattD Bye Matt

@MattD cul8er

@NapoleonWilson No, sorry, I read it wrong

It seems fine

BTW Alien was spookyscary!!

@Walt Oh, that's in my queue, too.

@NapoleonWilson Rewatch queue? What's on top?

No, another queue, I've seen it quite often and not so long ago I think. I usually catch it when it's on TV anyway.

@Walt It's not ordered.

@NapoleonWilson Yeah, neither is mine. Mood-based, really

@NapoleonWilson Oh, an upcoming question then? Sounds interesting

@NapoleonWilson: No specific words or remarks. It looks good. Would like some idea about timelines and targets. What are we hoping it achieves, how are we going to determine this, how long do we wait to determine it has "worked" or "not worked", in which case we need further discussion.

@Walt: Enjoy Alien?

@AndrewMartin It won't change much at all, and I don't have any idea about targets or measurements or anything. I just threw it out to have done something to be honest. It won't solve anything at all I expect.

@AndrewMartin The further discussion will have to come sooner or later anyway.

@AndrewMartin It was less slimy than I remembered. And also, why didn't the acid eat through Dallas's hand (protected by a measly towel) and Kane's head when it squirted out?

@NapoleonWilson: I still think it's worthwhile. Maybe a three month period to see impact. If the quality of question (as a subjective measure) hasn't improved, we revisit topic and propose something further. If, magically, it has then we leave it. Something like that.

I'm a very biased party given my existing dislike for them.

@Walt: I sense your first question.

@AndrewMartin My first question would have to be much better than that

@AndrewMartin Problem is, the quality of ID questions is IMHO also a bit of a seasonal thing.

@NapoleonWilson Well, I read a lot of them, I guess I'd sense a drastic change

@AndrewMartin Sounds good

@Walt Unfortunately all the great rape interpretation things are already sufficiently answered by Wikipedia. I once wanted to ask about Ash's dialog of calling the thing "Kane's son" and its implications. But once you know the whole male-rape thing it's pretty obvious already.

@NapoleonWilson: They definitely are. Every morning I feel I wake up, get in to work and spend half an hour editing all the poor questions from the evening before.

@NapoleonWilson Ash is a grade A jerk. I think that's the actual model's name. I wouldn't take anything he says at face value

If no one edited them, they'd be atrocious.

I do question his decision to try and kill someone with a magazine, though

@Walt It still adds very well into it, though.

@Walt Yeah, again rape and fellatio issues.

But in-universe it's indeed rather stupid.

@NapoleonWilson Not that farfetched, he seemed to be malfunctioning and the magazine was by her head

@NapoleonWilson What kind of magazine do you think it was?! :P

But you could at least try to analyse why he says "Yes" so often and if it means anything.

@NapoleonWilson I barely noticed it. He's just British?

Maybe, maybe not

@NapoleonWilson I'd sooner ask who the hell locked poor Jonesy in that locker

@NapoleonWilson Yeah, I think I saw it