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2:46 AM
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Q: SSIS proxy/credentials not working from within SQL Agent job step

GregDBAI have been looking around and found similar questions but nothing specific to what I am having trouble with. Problem: I cannot get the SSIS proxy and SQL credentials configured correctly to impersonate a restricted-access service account for a SQL Agent job step that runs an SSIS package. The r...

 
 
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Q: Database extensions vs migrations

V_BWhen using of database specific features (instead of 3rd party solutions) is justified, especially on the beginning stage of the project? Example: Postgres has full-text search, which do not support some features of search engines (i.e. facets) but is pretty acceptable for my needs. It requires...

I am wondering why people think migrating between different DB solutions is so common that you have to calculate with it even before having a single row of data
 
@dezso There are so many misconceptions out there
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ yes, that's a weird question
 
I was reading this question, the other day. Even commented, before noticing that it's 4 years old:
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Q: Which graph database for search engine and gis?

Stefan K.I just learned there are "graph databases" out there, which are more suited for two applications "search engine" and especially "gis". To avoid discussions whether a relational DB is better suited and to make clear what kind of Database is needed, here some more details what I want to use it for...

> I just learned there are "graph databases" out there, which are more suited for two applications "search engine" and especially "gis".
> To avoid discussions whether a relational DB is better suited and to make clear what kind of Database is needed, here some more details what I want to use it for:
> 1. Application (Search Engine): Handling search engine data in a relational DB is slow because you'll have big tables with enormous indeces.
Yeah, right
 
Have you ever tried to change the storage/database solution under a mildly complicated app? There are chances that you would throw away basically everything in this case, so I would not worry about binding to Postgres (or any other sane product). — dezso 17 secs ago
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ have you not heard of Neo? :)
 
8:58 AM
Because in a graph database, you get everything for free ...
@Marian Yes, I've heard about it. I registered once and get a promotional email every few months
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ yeah, me too.. thought I've never been bothered to really try it.
 
9:15 AM
We've had this issue before and we usually fix it by rebuilding all indexes on these 2 tables, but that doesn't work now
2 +-40GB tables, during working hours, nice
> I can do databases me
 
9:55 AM
@Marian I ran through some p.o.c. projects a year or so back. It's a really great solution .. if you have the right problem.
 
 
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11:12 AM
Funny post yesterday
> EU has now 1 GB of free space
oh, it was also posted here by dezso. And has 4 stars. Shame on me
 
 
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1:21 PM
@ypercubeᵀᴹ and the DC is down.
 
@wBob I can only imagine what will happen when IT steps out, too
 
lol queue lengthy explanation
 
2:13 PM
I like sub-millisecond queries
 
2:32 PM
what is the point of the debugger in SSMS?
do ppl ever actually use it?
 
@JzInqXc9Dg I don't use it, it's a toy. But some people like being able to step through their code line by line, and you can see the intermediates states of local variables. Comes down to personal preference in the end.
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3:10 PM
@Phil , @JackDouglas (or any other Oracle guru) is this answer correct?
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A: Update all rows

Luciano Andress MartiniThe children tables must have indexes in the columns that are pointed to the main table that you are trying to update. For example: If you have a children table pointing to this table using a foreign key you must create indexes in this foreign keys or you will not able to update the main table.

Seems bonkers to me but not entirely sure.
 
I should probably change my username completely due to this guy's attitude:
 
This Oracle question has gathered 4 answers. Ranging from not useful to garbage. Except the one currently sitting at 0.
 
On top of that it shows a ridiculous amount of ignorance towards the existing editions including the free developer edition which according to the OP is "out of his scope" and "costs astronomically" (at zero cost). — TomTom 12 hours ago
That's not the worst example by far
ONE of the 3 free edition has a limit. Care to actually read more than one sentence? — TomTom 2 hours ago
 
@TomV well, op is being kinda obtuse
 
3:29 PM
@MonsterMMORPG there has been some confusion. Express edition: 0 dollars, 1GB memory limit, 10GB per db, can be used in production. Developer edition: 0 dollars, no limits (same as Enterprise), not permitted in production. I guess when you meant free you meant the Express edition. In any case, if you do need a production edition and the Express doesn't cover you, yes, the cost is high. And please, all sides, refrain from calling names, this is a professional site. — ypercubeᵀᴹ 2 mins ago
Oh, I could so be mod.
 
@TomV He's been banned from the site several times
 
4:08 PM
Paypal customer service is so broken.
I can either "email" them or phone.
But email requires to login.
 
@PaulWhite - thanks for another incredibly well presented and researched read on temporary tables in stored procs.
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ cannot you just protect the question?
I just raised some non constructive flags for good measure
I am pretty sure this is not required by German law. For a counterexample, I am a DBA at a biggish German company, have superuser rights to all non-cloud based databases (there are quite some), and nobody ever required me shutting myself out. — dezso 7 secs ago
@AndriyM ^^
 
4:32 PM
@dezso I don't see that option.
And it should be deleted, not protected.
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ I was just thinking about preventing those two from leaving further comments
 
@dezso TomTom has stopped replying, which is good.
A mod will hopefully intervene soon and delete everything.
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ or he is writing an especially long one
 
@TomV i believe there are very high developers here who can very well influence the company licensing decision system — MonsterMMORPG 4 hours ago
the developers there are high?
 
I guess that explains why so many new features were added by MS Serbia
 
4:42 PM
@swasheck La da da da da da
 
i was gonna write this code, but then i got high
when i agree with tomtom's cause, i think he's hilarious. when i disagree, i think he's a tool.
 
My coworker wants to recycle old unuseful records in a table we expect to have a lot of churn on. (I.e use updates if possible instead of doing inserts all the time)
Is this a common thing? Is it inadvisable?
 
@MikeAsdf so, something like this?
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And I mean commandeering completely unrelated records for what we want to "insert"
Kek
We'd use a combination of age of the record and other domain logic to ensure the record is useless and orphaned.
 
@MikeAsdf i suppose if it makes sense to update a row then update the row.
 
4:49 PM
If anything, I've seen people go out of their away to avoid updates by doing insert+delete instead.
 
Yeah it just smells weird to me
 
@JamesLupolt yeah.
 
@JamesLupolt which is what an update actually does under many circumstances.
Having said that, queue tables can be setup exactly for the purpose of not performing inserts.
@MikeAsdf - I'm thinking of Chris Adkins super scaling sql server - exadat.co.uk/2016/01/18/…
 
5:08 PM
Good point, maybe that's similar to what @MikeAsdf's coworker is trying to do.
 
Oh man, some years ago I had to reverse engineer a ton of reports from a Practice Management Software called Nextgen
getting the SQL for the reports was a horror show because while we had a test instance up and running, there was lots of stuff actively being done. So I had to use profiler and couldn't figure out a good way to filter a lot of noise
but obtain the report sql I did, maybe 10-15 times.
all the next gen reports used mega-complicated SQL with lots of temp tables. I can't way to see if that @PaulWhite article provides any information that will make me think "they wrongly used temp tables in some cases" or not
 
is Value a keyword in TSQL? like, is it what you use to SELECT the returned value of a table valued func for instance?
I see a SELECT Value from <function>
and in the function itself i see a Value declared col in the return Table.
so maybe not. you just have to select the same cols built int he function's return table then i am guessing? i literally never use functions in SQL but i just discovered one i inherited
 
wow
seeing that list makes me think how much i dont know TSQL
 
5:25 PM
@JzInqXc9Dg so VALUE is not reserved but it's an ODBC keyword and will be reserved in the future.
 
yea
 
5:42 PM
@JzInqXc9Dg it's unlikely that will cause you any trouble in the near future. SQL Server may implement the features that use that keyword after many versions. Or never. Still, it would be best to avoid it.
 
@swasheck I didn't take offence because I've been known to type rubbish English
"Occasionally"
 
5:58 PM
@TomV i just thought it was funny
 
@swasheck Same here
 
6:14 PM
I think if I ever saw a partitioned #temp table, I'd probably fall over.
> Additionally table variables do not support INCLUDEd columns, filtered indexes (until 2016) or partitioning, #temp tables do (the partition scheme must be created in tempdb).
 
omg marketing ppl
especially the wordpress kind.....
 
6:41 PM
apparently we use this in our environment
and our devs are running into this bug ^^^^
i'm being asked to debug SQL Server
in my best @AaronBertrand i said, "It's like trying to fix your car because it doesn't fly."
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6:53 PM
@swasheck That has only been reported 3 years ago, what do you expect?
And resolved 3 months ago
Taking 3 years to trim your fields in an index is perfectly acceptable, as a timeframe as well as a technical solution
I'm thinking about a developer adding a few int columns, a new bug report and a fix 3 year later "trim data to 850"
 
 
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9:05 PM
@swasheck Hah
FWIW, SQL Server 2016 (at least in some preview builds) extended the 900 byte index key limit according to Kalen Delaney.
What more would debugging tell you?
 
@JamesLupolt well they dont understand. the got an error on their deploy
so obviously it's a problem with the database
 
Databasey-sounding word appears in error message -> assign problem to DBA
?
Sorry, I'm being rude. I should get a drink.
 
@JamesLupolt exactly
and i dont think you're being rude
 

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