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7:03 AM
Mornin'
 
7:27 AM
@Phil Morning
 
8:24 AM
@TomV seems that the team in on the right track
^^ dying voice from the deeps
 
8:54 AM
@dezso Sorry we had to play Hungary
 
@TomV you could not avoid it, sooner or later it would happen ;)
 
Belgium - Iceland on the final would be nice
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11:49 AM
@JzInqXc9Dg Attribute relationships let you set up hierarchies on a dimension. If you define one as the parent of another then you can create a drill-down path. You can define them as tight or loose (quite useful for SCDs where the parent of an attribute might change over time).
@JzInqXc9Dg If the underlying tables have an actual foreign key relationship then you can mark this up on the data source view, and then that relationship can be made available to your dimension. However, this will only work if the tables can be joined at the database level.
If the table will only join to the fact table (directly or through some other path) then it can be set up as another dimension (if it's not already)
Note that attribute relationships live at the cube level - the DSV is an underlying metadata layer that can be used to mark up mappings and joins in the underlying database used to populate the cube. Once they're available in the DSV then the dimensions and fact tables can see them.
 
 
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1:16 PM
OHd: There is one GB free space in the EU now
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@ypercubeᵀᴹ I'd love to see a Belgium - Iceland final too.
 
1:56 PM
@ConcernedOfTunbridgeWells How do I "mark this up" on the DSV?
They can indeed be joined on the database level. I can do it manually with SQL in SSMS
It's just adding a "new relationship" correct?
If so, I have done that. And the field does indeed become available to my dimension. However, processing fails after this. Duplicate key - or if i reverse the relationship it fails (cant remember the error at the moment)
Altho the fields i can use for joining on the db level aren't actual keys. They are varchar fields that do happen to join correctly. not sure if that matters..
in one Dim table is a column called Dim<other table> - i use this column to join with
so it seems to be setup with that intent in the tables
 
@JzInqXc9Dg If the table isn't in the DSV you first have to add it, or add a named query. Then you can drag a FK relationship from the key on the parent to the FK column on the child.
@JzInqXc9Dg The key has to be unique at the source table.
 
the table is indeed in the DSV
basically this is to be used as a "group by" in excel for users.
 
@JzInqXc9Dg The join can be on any column or columns - it doesn't have to be an identity column.
 
so table A has 1-1000 and there are 11 or so unique values from table B they want to use to group by in table A
in this situation^ which table is my source table?
 
@JzInqXc9Dg The key used on the parent has to be unique.
 
2:03 PM
which is the parent? (sorry)
 
Try dragging the key from the 1: side of the relationship onto the M: side.
Make sure the parent table has a key actually set up on it.
And you have to drag it to the relevant column on the child.
 
is the parent key the 1 or M side?
 
2:27 PM
Here is the error i still get.
after i make the relationship in the DSV - then i am dragging another field from item to my dimension Brand.
and actually, this error is after i made the relationship backwards. i went from child to parent
ill reverse it and try again. but i know when i do ill get a duplicate key error
let me try it aynway...
^so theres the error after trying to process with the relationship actually set up correctly
so - how can i solve this "duplicate key" situation?
 
2:43 PM
seems kinda straight-forward?, there is a duplicate value in the PKDimensionValue2 of the table DimDimensionValue2
 
well yes, i understand that. i just dont know how to resolve it
because... there should be duplicates. thats the whole point
the data structure here is not hard. i simply want this dimension to include a field from another dimension to allow filtering. i dont see why BIDS/SSAS is not letting me do so..
 
3:04 PM
@JzInqXc9Dg Is that attribute your key attribute?
 
3:15 PM
I have returned.
 
@JzInqXc9Dg But the error is showing because you are using that column in a way that should be unique
 
@JzInqXc9Dg It sounds as if your star schema is a bit broken, but that can happen. If you are absolutely sure that you are OK with duplicate values in your data source you could look into the KeyDuplicate property
However, if you get the chance to review your design at some point you might want to look into the concept of a thing called "surrogate keys" for your key attribute
 
sure, there are some SKs ive seen scattered about in the DW
this is a DW i have inherited (new job, 2 months into it)
i am looking for this keyduplicate property you speak of....
in BIDS (im on sql 2008)
 
3:30 PM
It's on the dimension, not the attribute
 
i see an "UnknownMember" property on the dimension
with None/Hidden/Visible as options
ive actually already tried setting this to Visible earlier...
not sure if maybe old BIDS has a different property than the Key Duplicate?
 
@TomV I think it would be better if he posts the DSV and how he's defining his dimension
 
ah no sorry
i see it now under the errorconfig
 
I think that there are some unclear concepts
 
I was googling a screenshot but the one I found didn't onebox so that's the "removed" message you see
 
4:08 PM
Why would this question get closed as unclear? dba.stackexchange.com/q/141558/507 It was pretty specific on what the OP was asking...unless I just read into more than others.
 
4:27 PM
@Lamak Are you talking about me?
 
yup
 
@ShawnMelton Don't remember what my choice of a close reason was exactly. If it was the "not clear" like the majority's, I guess my issue was that the OP didn't specify the kind of access to SSCM they'd like to have.
 
4:53 PM
@JackDouglas are you coming to PGDay UK 2016?
 
5:10 PM
From what I remember, I once made a typo and set SQL Max memory to half a gig and it wouldn't start properly (though it's been too long ago to remember), this guy is suggesting 300MB. Fairly confident that won't work very well
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A: Recommended memory configuration for many SQL Server instances per server

Gerald PatriowskiSet a maximum of 300MB per instance and be done with it. Seriously, you can monitor it with something like this to determine which may be candidates for giving a little more or less to. SELECT DB_NAME(database_id) AS [Database Name], COUNT(*) * 8/1024.0 AS [Cached Size (MB)] FROM sys.dm_os_buffe...

With not start properly I mean the service was running but I could barely connect to it and not run any queries
 
5:21 PM
@GeraldPatriowski have you tried the solution on a test system? Does a SQL Server work reasonably with 300MB? — Tom V 3 mins ago
 
5:40 PM
It is MS SQL 2008 R2 SP3 Enterprise. — Drunken Code Monkey 1 min ago
I wonder why they squeeze 50 Enterprise instances in a 16GB box
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@ypercubeᵀᴹ Ha Ha Ha
 
I would bet some of the regulars here have a 16GB laptop
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ Hmm, I won't boast, lest you question my modesty again :)
 
@TomV What, 32?
 
I have been treated very well by my employer, the specs have been posted a while back when I received it and was extatic about it
 
5:43 PM
oh I'm jealous
 
Apr 22 at 9:09, by Tom V
HP ZBook
From there
I suck at posting links today
The thing I'm most impressed by is the disk
 
I'll have to monitor this post, just in case Aaron notices it and comments.
He seems not very active lately. Is there a conference approaching?
 
Hmm, He's active on main, he edited an answer of mine not so long after I posted it today
OMG it's a FLOOD on main :)
Anything called a database would allow you to select more than 1K rows. Can you please add details about the database and especially the client you are using? The setting is likely to be in the client pagination. — Tom V 3 mins ago
/JK
@TomV Not really my problem, I just work here... :) — Drunken Code Monkey 2 mins ago
bonkers
 
6:35 PM
@TomV wtf :D
 
7:00 PM
@TomV I wnated to submit a DBA reaction but I can't find a GIF. Only found this jpeg:
 
@ypercubeᵀᴹ something like that? :)
 
yes, that seems more GIF ;)
 
@Marian I'll quit searching for anything, I'll take too long to find anything better
best I found so far:
Then again, it has puppies
 
8:01 PM
woudl a DBCC SHRINKFILE break a backup chain?
 
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A: Recommended memory configuration for many SQL Server instances per server

Gerald PatriowskiSet a maximum of 300MB per instance and be done with it. Seriously, you can monitor it with something like this to determine which may be candidates for giving a little more or less to. SELECT DB_NAME(database_id) AS [Database Name], COUNT(*) * 8/1024.0 AS [Cached Size (MB)] FROM sys.dm_os_buffe...

I was thinking about adding this comment.
If I only have 1 glass of water to keep 50 people alive for a week. The answer isn't to divide up the water evenly between the 50 people. We simply need to get more water or some folks are surely going to perish.
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dont call me shirley
 
@swasheck I'm pretty sure it does not. We had to shrink a log file recently and it didn't have any effect on our Log shipping.
However we use lightspeed so I don't know if that plays into it.
 
@Zane i know that a shrinkfile/emptyfile will ... but just a normal shrink ... that seems odd
 
@Zane Scroll up for the funnies
& welcome back
 
8:15 PM
Nice, and thanks
 
Kin
@Zane I can imagine ..
 
Kin
8:36 PM
@swasheck A shrink operation wont break the log chain ..
 
@Kin no. i found the problem. it was coincidental but unrelated
thanks though
 
Kin
@swasheck a shrink followed by recovery model change ? Just curious
 
@Kin totally unrelated. we have our own in-house backup procedure that checks diff base from master_files and will cause a full backup if it's not what it expects
we had a failover yesterday and our diff backup detected a difference in the base ...
ergo ... full backup
 
Kin
but why would that break a log chain - full or diff does not break log chain (unless I am missing other info)
 
@Kin master_files doesnt sync across availability groups. somehow it was null
because the last full backup was on "B" but now we're on "A"
 
 
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Kin
9:48 PM
@billinkc u around ?
 
 
1 hour later…
11:14 PM
@Kin mobile at the moment. Back at desk on Friday. Something I can do?
 
Kin
11:37 PM
Just had a question about SSIS generating data flow based on fks or just while database. We can chat on Friday.
 

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