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7:00 PM
@DavidFreitag Because that is much stronger than ROT26, right?
 
13 is a prime number
26 is not a prime number
 
@Simon Exactly.
 
Let that sink in for a minute
 
@etherealflux It's crypto, it's all about prime numbers.
 
7:01 PM
Before I really understood crypto, I just knew I needed to put some big prime numbers in my RNGs
(Perlin noise generators, not really a crypto application)
 
An interesting info: when using "only" 128 kB, scrypt turns out to be highly optimized with GPU, like about 10x faster than CPU for the same budget.
 
ô_ô
 
In that sense, scrypt has been demonstrated to be a lot weaker than bcrypt in some usage contexts (in that case, for Litecoin).
 
@ThomasPornin Did you build a bitcoin mining machine just for the lulz?
 
@Simon No. Observation and economic reasoning show that it is not worth the effort.
 
7:03 PM
Ah.
 
Bitcoins are basically a gold standard currency
 
@Simon While bcrypt is older than scrypt, scrypt allows you to set the amount of space in memory that it will use while bcrypt does not. Also, see thisSakamaki Izayoi 1 min ago
 
and gold standard suuuuuuuure worked well
 
@ThomasPornin Well dogecoin sponsored a nascar car, so they must be doing good.
 
If I built a cluster, I'd do it for purposes that may either yield a positive financial outcome, or at least produce spectacularly amusing results.
Bitcoin mining does neither.
 
7:04 PM
well, it will function as a space heater
 
@etherealflux That's not particularly spectacular.
 
Gold mining has some potential, because while gold is rare, geology implies that there are a few pockets with huge concentrated contents.
While bitcoins are more uniformly distributed.
Of course, it is this "luck" aspect that drives both gold diggers and bitcoin miners.
 
@ThomasPornin I think I'm going to need some proof on that one.
 
@DavidFreitag There is no proof that hash functions actually exist.
So no, no proof.
 
Alright, I need a mop. @ThomasPornin just blew my brains all over the wall behind me.
 
7:08 PM
Sure there are
h(x) = x has no collisions
 
But there is no proof or even any clue about bitcoins aggregating more often than through pure uniform distribution; where as there are known geological process that result in especially rich gold seams.
@etherealflux ... and this is not a hash function, since it does not offer a fixed-size output for a variable size input.
 
the size of the output is fixed to the size of the input. Very predictable.
(:
 
My point is that gold diggers have at least some rationality in their process: they rely on hitting a rare but actually real event; while bitcoin miners want to become rich through finding out a "rich seam" which is, as far as we know, completely mythical.
 
Silly bitcoin miners.
The dudes who implement miners in other software or malware are the clever ones though.
 
@Simon Eh?
 
7:13 PM
@DavidFreitag It has been noted that some botnets are used to mine for some of these virtual currencies.
 
That has the potential of yielding good financial results, since the miner does not pay for the hardware or power involved.
 
"When System Defender Pro Guard Legit spins your GPU up to max, it's protecting you against hackers!"
 
@Simon And this is why you shouldn't use utorrent.
 
There was a botnet owner on reddit who did an AMA and he mentioned at one point that he would install/update GPU drivers on his victims' PC to get better results at mining.
"Hey, you suck at configuring your PC so here, I'll install your drivers, jeeze"
 
7:16 PM
lol, well at least he's doing them a favor
Also, why on earth would you do an AMA as a botnet owner? That's basically begging some law enforcement agency to knock your door down.
 
He did it a throwaway account but still risky, yes.
And several other layers to mask his IP, too.
 
I mean, sure, but any determined person would be able to get around those countermeasures
 
I should write a kernel patch such that, when /dev/random blocks because "it has no entropy", the kernel does some bitcoin mining instead of just waiting for the entropy to appear.
 
@ThomasPornin Psh, I'm sure that you don't even own a black hat.
But it is important to note that you did work for the military.
Who knows how many men you've killed with your cryptography so far.
 
7:21 PM
 
@DavidFreitag Detective Columbear?
 
@Simon wat?
 
pls
 
@Simon ...wat?
 
@DavidFreitag that's exactly the kind of thing the botnet owner would say after doing his AMA to deflect suspicion from himself
FOUND YA
 
7:25 PM
@ThomasPornin We should do a hackathon this weekend to code on a vicious malware. You work on the low-level stuff and I'll do the high-level (PHP).
I can also do the CSS I'd rather not.
 
I can make the interface
it'll be scareware called UltraDefenderPro
it tells you that your computer "have being 2969206 virus"
 
@etherealflux Silly fool, there are only 2969202 files on my disk.
 
that's because you have very bad extra virus infections
you need call tech support number right away quickly to avoid losing of data
 
Also, if I did have a botnet, I would at least have the common courtesy to allow people to search a database of mac addresses to see if they are infected
 
How nice of you.
 
7:28 PM
The database page contains malicious javascript that infects your machine with the malware
 
@Simon That doesn't mean it would be easy to disinfect themselves
 
@Simon I cannot do malware that is more vicious than PHP.
 
@etherealflux Nah, I wouldn't do that. It would be an honest interface.
 
@DavidFreitag "You must complete this trial to..."
@ThomasPornin pls
 
PHP is malware that developers willingly inflict on themselves. This is the worst kind.
7
 
7:30 PM
at least it's not IBM COBOL
 
At least it's not your face.
 
ur mum
 
@etherealflux U WOT M8
 
@DavidFreitag i'll shank u outside of tescos m8
 
@etherealflux Oooh fun, I'll bring a large bag of cheetos.
 
raz
7:33 PM
Who here likes bash scripting?
 
@raz I don't mind it.
 
I do it occasionally
but every time I try to write a for loop the parser laughs at me
 
raz
ok I have a weird problem
 
@etherealflux True story.
 
@raz Ok, but none of us have that sort of experience. You should probably see a doctor.
 
raz
7:34 PM
while [ 1 ]
do
    ip a | ack 'tun0'
 
@etherealflux It's not just the parser that's laughing.
 
@raz That awfully looks like an infinite loop.
 
raz
while [ 1 ]
do
ip a | ack 'tun0'

if [ $? = 1 ]; then
echo "No tunnel"
break
fi

ping -c 1 google.com
done
The very first statement ip a | ack 'tun0' is only run once
but it will ping forever
if the tunnel is up
I want it to always check that first statement, and exit out of the loop if the tun0 interface is down.
Running this on redhat 5
 
hmm
Does it print "No tunnel"?
I'm trying to figure out exactly how it's getting mangled
 
raz
@etherealflux No, if I bring the tunnel down on purpose the pings continue
It only ever runs that command once. So if the tunnel goes down in the middle of it running the pings fail, but the script never stops.
 
7:41 PM
2
Q: bash shell while loop how to break out

lualuI want to write a bash shell script to process text, which might require while loop. For example, a while loop in c: int done = 0; while(1) { ... if(done) break; } I want to write a bash shell script equivalent to that. But what I usually used and as all the classic examples I read have show...

 
Weeee
 
raz
@DavidFreitag Ok, but I'm not even getting to the break;.
Let me print something in an else statement. See if that check is ever happening more than once.
 
all day but I got this audit software working! \o/
 
I wrote a practically identical script and it seems to work fine
try praying to Stallman?
 
What are you guys coding for today?
 
raz
7:50 PM
@JukEboX I code everything
 
Will code for donuts.
 
I'm trying to memory profile a server
but last time I tried, it claimed it was using negative RAM
 
raz
Also I forgot to add the -c 1 option, because I'm an idiot
 
@raz Because you're an idiot.
 
cuz u dumb boi
 
7:51 PM
PEBKAC
 
raz
sigh
I should just go home
 
go home, home boi
 
Let me just close gedit, the bash window, and the various chrome tabs you had me open.
 
go home and be a family man
lemme rm the "pls.sh" script I created
 
I have another hour till I can go home
 
7:53 PM
> Permission denied: Not enough donuts.
 
chmod +d 12
chmod +d 6 --sprinkles=chocolate
 
> Chocolate with sprinkles? Aww yiss mah fave
Oooh VS 2015 available for students.
I might just try it.
 
I tried to install it and it said I'm not running Windows
on my Windows 7 machine
with Windows 7 installed on it
after restarting to apply the Windows 7 patches for my Windows 7 install
pls
 
Yeah that's a good point, it's probably going to be 10 only
Which is a problem since I have been avoiding upgrading to 10
 
Er, an older version of VS, that is
The new one probably requires Windows 11
looks like we can also get Azure
 
7:56 PM
Windows: Cranial Edition.
@etherealflux Yeah but who the heck cares about azure
 
but it's OPEN SOURCE FRIENDLY cloud!
not just normal cloud
no seriously, this is a thing that they said
 
@etherealflux On my screen you just said "but it's OPEN SOURCE FRIENDLY butt!"
 
someone said "let's put this on an advertisement oops my brain fell out"
@DavidFreitag (;
 
pls
 
8:00 PM
I should write an extension that replaces all instances of 'pls'
 
with what?
 
With his fingers hitting his keyboard.
 
I'm not entirely sure. Something hilarious though.
Perhaps something like "My donut brings all the girls to the yard"
 
or how about "pls pls"
you've heard of key stretching
now try pls stretching
 
@etherealflux No that's just dumb and it would infinitely recurse.
 
8:03 PM
@DavidFreitag Exactly and exactly.
 
@etherealflux No, this has to be silly but practical.
Chrome already hogs a ton of memory, I don't want to make it worse by installing an infinitely-recursing extension.
 
You say that like it's a bad thing
I can handle up to 24 GB of pls
 
@etherealflux No it can't, I only have 16GB of ram. Unless you let me download more.
 
Well get with the times man
 
@etherealflux It isn't that easy, I have to put in a requisition for parts, then if that gets approved, I need to submit an entry to purchasing, and eventually, six months later, I will get my ram.
I just recently upgraded to 16GB from 8GB.
Because Chrome + VS + VM = >8GB
 
8:09 PM
dayum
 
It's why most of my tools at work are my own personal devices.
 
I got an extra 16 GB for my laptop because it was dirt cheap
now I can VM like a maniac
and preview a whopping 30 seconds of video in After Effects
I need to build a proper beefy rig for Blender work sometime soon
 
It's true you can get 16GB for like $30
 
wat
Where do you lads shop at?
 
Newegg!!
Actually the parts I ordered this weekend shipped already. Will be here Thursday
 
8:14 PM
nurd
 
Since I'm entirely made of spiders, I just make them out of more spiders
 
I wanna buy an i7 hackintosh but I'd love to keep it under 1k$
 
@Simon Well prices went up again, but newegg had some ripjaws X for 2x8GB 1600 speed for $38
 
It seems to be impossible though.
@DavidFreitag Oh come on, that is a sick deal.
le fu- americanos
 
@Simon you need to do a PC component road trip
 
raz
8:15 PM
@Simon don't hate
 
@Simon a hackintosh with it's root level hackability?
 
@RоryMcCune Our currency sucks compared to the americanos.
 
@Simon You are welcome to buy parts and have them shipped to me. I will ship them to you for the nominal fee of some maple syrup
 
@JukEboX What are you on about you donut?
 
@etherealflux I just laughed so hard I shot water out my nose
 
8:16 PM
@DavidFreitag I appreciate the offer but I think that it's not worth it right now =\
 
@Simon yeah you should have got some good old dollars a couple of years back, you'd be sorted now!
 
What's the wiki to the IS memes again? I need to finish reading.
 
43
Q: The Memes of Information Security

Andrey BotalovThere are memes common to whole Stack Exchange. But after spending some time in The DMZ it becomes evident that Information Security has it's own memes (e.g. rory). I therefore propose that this space be used to document the memes endemic to Information Security's culture. One meme per answer p...

 
@etherealflux thank you sir
Also want to know what the meaning of donut is.
 
8:22 PM
@JukEboX It means that the user is unaware of how to spell doughnut
 
@JukEboX pls
 
LOL classic @Simon
 
raz
@Simon stdu
 
God damn it
 
8:23 PM
WHO DOWNVOTED THE MEME ABOUT ME?
MOTHERFUCKING PIECE OF SHIT
I'M GONNA PLS YOUR DONUT
 
raz
You have a meme?
 
Yeah it's the one alllllllllll the way at the bottom
 
@DavidFreitag Yep, that'd be totally worth it if I were paying in americanos coins
 
@Simon That's $800 you have $200 left for a case, cpu cooler, DVD-RW+ etc.
 
@raz Look at the bottom of the post!
 
8:24 PM
@Simon You said 1k$, not 1k CAD$
 
@DavidFreitag Damn it, I can't edit it and claim that you are insane.
 
@DavidFreitag I ordered a Devil's Canyon:)
 
@JukEboX They are crazy good.
 
Also, 32 gb would be overkill.
 
I ordered 14GB
 
8:26 PM
14?
 
Sorry typo --- 16GB
 
@DavidFreitag The very same CPU on .CANADUH website, 409$.
Yeah no shit free shipping you god damn donuter.
 
@Simon are you CANADUHAN?
 
Yep.
 
@Simon Overclocking or no?
 
8:30 PM
@DavidFreitag Nah.
 
@DavidFreitag good man
 
I wouldn't do much that is very expensive on the CPU, other than music production.
 
But as soon as the DAW lags, it makes me wanna cry.
Aw, I don't want an i5, it makes me feel like a poor man.
50 bucks for a motherboard, jesus christ.
 
@Simon It's still a really nice board.
 
8:32 PM
Have you checked if it's compatible hardware for a hackintosh?
 
@Simon Even with a Devil's canyon that's only $700 CAD
@Simon I have not.
 
I might need to do some research tonight then.
 
The original build with 16GB instead of 32GB is <1k CAD$
 
I am not a fan of the JIGAWATT boards
I have had to RMA mine twice because the memory slots kept shorting
 
@DavidFreitag You checked on .ca?
 
8:34 PM
@Simon No I used Google's currency converter.
 
Also, I'm gonna need a 256 gb SSD + 1 TB sata drive
@DavidFreitag Aaahhhh.
 
Sounds like the build I just ordered. Spent around $1100US
That included a 3TB and a 256SSD
 
I'm supposed to be saving for a house, I don't wanna spend a ton on hardware QQ
 
Plus 16GB RAM, Devil Canyon, and ASUS board
 
@Simon The second build offers $300 in wiggle room. That should be more than enough for an ssd and a hdd and a case.
 
8:37 PM
@DavidFreitag Mhm. I would like it to be supa dupa future proof though so it might be worth it to invest in the i7.
 
@Simon Actually $300 wiggle room with the 4790K
 
wiggle wiggle wiggle yeah
 
i7 is the way to go. I also have a set of triple channel RAM if you want it
 
It's almost $500 CAD wiggle room with the i5.
 
dayum
dovid, you're rocking my world.
Time to drive home and then I'll validate if the hardware is compatible, cheers dovid.
 
8:38 PM
I really enjoy building computers for people. If you give me a price range I'll meet it.
@Simon If the canadians are being dicks and newegg has higher prices (ie a different exchange rate that the actual exchange from ust -> cad) then you can order in usd on a vpn with paypal and have it shipped to me.
Which in the end will work out since I am between you and Newegg.
 
@DavidFreitag charge assembly fee?
 
I hadn't thought about that. I'll assemble it too if you want.
@JukEboX Depends on who's asking. Since @Simon is in canaduh my only fee is maple syrup. The good stuff.
 
barder. I like it\
 
Also @Simon that 380W PSU leaves just enough room to squeak through an nvidia 960 or an R9 260X
And upgradability to 32GB of ram for future-proofing
 
OH yeah I ordered the 970 to
 
8:50 PM
Funny enough, the 9XX cards draw >100W less than the 7XX cards.
@JukEboX Oooh nice EVGA is da bomb
I think the only GPU manufacturer better than EVGA is PNY
 
@DavidFreitag what do you use for PSU Calculation?
 
@DavidFreitag thanks. I got LOTS of wiggle room
 
 
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11:11 PM
busy in here
 
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11:14 PM
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WOOOHOO @@@
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@simon being the combo breaker
typical
 
11:14 PM
pls no
 
what the fuck
 
1
 
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11:17 PM
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@Simon why haven't you finished writing your track yet?
 
@Flyk I'm actually working on it no joke!
 
but why isn't it finished?
 
@Flyk No :(
 
11:20 PM
but why?
 
cuz I'm taking it slow
 
"slow"?
 
turtle slow
 
would you like to hear what I'm working on?
 
pls
 
11:21 PM
good.
 
Also, I'm sabotaging my work. I spent a long time sorting conga samples and I decided they didn't fit in the track.
Then, a day later, I decided that they do fit.
@@@@@@@@@@@@
 
sure, write a track around a specific unique sound that was the entire basis for the track, and then remove it as the track nears completion
happens
 
Also, I thought they would be a cool layer over my acid bassline but it turns out that they're fighting for pretty much the same frequency
So I'm gonna have to use them elsewhere.
 
if in doubt, remove the acid line
:p
 
NOOOOOOOOOOO
It's kind of (kind of) [kind of] catchy
 
11:31 PM
ok (ok) [ok]
right, this is sending me to sleep
so... mission accomplished!
nn
 
wooho @@@
gn8
 
I want to listen :'[
 
poor dovid
 
yey i made a tic tac toe app in android
 
@Ohnana That's not how you're gonna become a super user of sex.SE lad.
 
11:36 PM
@Simon it is how i not fail a class tho
(Schoolwork!)
 
o
 
you had to write an android app?
 
No, my name is Patrick.
 
And you live under a rock?
 
Yes, in the yard.
 
11:39 PM
At the bottom of the sea?
 
No, the backyard.
 
it's questions like this:
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Q: Has anyone heard of this site and if so does anyone know when it will be seized? And other questions

SepokeThe site in question is called fbi.yt. This is a website that hosts hacked databases containing people's personally identifiable information on them. This information includes physical addresses, phone numbers and much more. The person/s that host and staff the site are the same people that hoste...

that makes a little sad to be a mod
I'm too reticent to close it, but I would have VTC that thing in a heartbeat
 
11:54 PM
@schroeder I say close it. There's no question in there that's a fit for the site. If he fixes it, it'll go in the re-open queue, but I think there's a pretty slim chance that'll happen.
 
@Xander the cool thing is that I did some research into the site, and I know the owner's contact info.... The doxer got doxed. So, "what can be done" is slightly illegal ....
 

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