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4:04 AM

Sadly, it probably won't even have enough gas to make it to the first border crossing.

M'vy

7:10 AM

heya

Rоry McCune

8:15 AM

Moring All

Flyk

@RоryMcCune sets fire to...

Rоry McCune

@Flyk good, it's fracking freezing in Scotland at the moment!

Flyk

your fault for living that far north

Rоry McCune

@Flyk well I prefer the cold to being too hot...

but I don't expect 10C in August!

Flyk

that's why air conditioning was invented

saying that I want some monsoon type rain so I can get a good night's sleep

or day...

Rоry McCune

8:20 AM

@Flyk we've got some of that too! was the local "gala" day on saturday and they got a touch damp

Flyk

I have an app on my phone which plays the sound of rain to me while I sleep

the problem is my brain knows when the loop starts and that's enough to prevent it from working

Rоry McCune

@Flyk so you need a longer loop, I guess... or better mixing :)

Flyk

can't really complain for free

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yeah I'm amazed when I see people complain about free mobile apps....

Flyk

I imagine a 10 minute loop is long enough for most people

@RоryMcCune well they're not really free, are they?

"free in exchange for access to your device + showing you ads"

Rоry McCune

8:23 AM

@Flyk well some are, I don't count the spawn of the devil with inapp purchases

Flyk

meh, doesn't even need IAP

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yeah ads can be annoying, and any app that wants access to my device data better actually need it to function or it's on a one-way trip to nopesville

Journeyman Geek

"Monsoon type rain" Hot, humid and wet?

Flyk

@JourneymanGeek loud enough to drown out the brain noise generated by being awake

also, all rain is wet

Arperum

@JourneymanGeek AFAIK all rain is wet.

Flyk

8:25 AM

inb4

Journeyman Geek

details details.

Arperum

dammit.

Journeyman Geek

Could be a rain of fire.

Flyk

that's only rain by the virtues of the simple human mind drawing comparisons between droplets of water pulled to the surface by gravity and balls of fire flying towards the surface by gravity

Arperum

I'd assume a rain of fire would be distributed by means of some burning liquid, that would still be wet.

Journeyman Geek

8:27 AM

hydrocarbons wouldn't be wet

Flyk

@JourneymanGeek besides, I've already got the hot and humid, so... let's just add some rain

Flyk

8:47 AM

oh, it's raining

not quite the downfall I was hoping for

maybe I can replicate the steps I have taken this morning to see if I can summon rain on demand

Journeyman Geek

what we need is Precipitation As A Service.

Flyk

9:00 AM

that would be quite awesome

I need to sleep, dialup a thunder storm

I wonder if you could make a track just using dialup modem sounds

maybe I've even started this particular experiment before

Rоry McCune

@Flyk bit of NerdCore, why not!

Flyk

it's hardly any different than overlaying your bass with white noise

and I do that... far too frequently

when a news article reporting on a study of electric cars starts with "believe it or not", I go with not

you're supposed to be reporting news, if you can't believe it why should I even read it!?

Rоry McCune

@Flyk all you need then is a suitably nerdy name and it'll be a hit with the geek set :)

Flyk

@RоryMcCune SYN-ACK - dialing up

Rоry McCune

@Flyk nice! only problem is now you can't release the track anywhere apart from here or it'll ruin your OpSec :op

Flyk

9:14 AM

you under estimate me

Rоry McCune

@Flyk mm?

Flyk

pseudonym-ception

Rоry McCune

@Flyk well if you've got a pseudonym to burn sure, that'd work :) now all you need to do is lay-down the track..

Flyk

9:35 AM

well it's not like there is a finite number of random names available

Rоry McCune

@Flyk true true "flyk" + rand(10) should work just fine :)

Flyk

10:01 AM

why limit it to rand(10)

guids would be more suitable

"superstar');drop table artists; - a message from the future"

Rоry McCune

@Flyk might not make for the most memorable of names tho... "hey have you checked out the new track by 2e2feeb7-118f-41cf-aa44-cc3f51cdf25a"

Flyk

@RоryMcCune maybe the focus is on the music and not on the artist?

maybe sometimes it's entirely about the music and the person who created it isn't even part of the picture

Rоry McCune

@Flyk yeah I could see that from an artistic point of view, would make it a touch tricky to build a fan-base ....

Flyk

I wouldn't want people who use four dots as an ellipsis in my fan base anyway

Rоry McCune

@Flyk :op

Flyk

10:11 AM

producing for other people is where it's at

it means I regain my excessive sleeping pattern over the weekends

I wish I could petition to turn Friday and Saturday into Tuesday and Wednesday

so I could have the psychological effect of not waking up on Saturday mornings for like the entire day

I have to say though, I do prefer humanity during the hours of 3am to 5am

all of the normal ones are asleep and it's just the rest of us still awake

Rоry McCune

peaceful anyway... around here the only people you'd encounter at that time might be farmers

Flyk

yeah, nothing like sitting in silence after ordering coffee at some service station only to have a group of really loud people from the club you were just at wander in

so I should really get a team working on a cloak of invisibility

because that would just be cool

Rоry McCune

@Flyk hoody + dark glasses, that's the way to go :)

Flyk

I am normally in a hoody at such times

it's more like a comfort blanket though

still can't afford my own plane unfortunately

the fraction of my future plane that I have in savings is getting close to 1/<four digits>, though

Rоry McCune

10:36 AM

@Flyk \o/ soon you'll be flying around in luxury.. although are there not intermediate steps where you hire a more-private plane

keep you away from the hoi-polloi?

Flyk

I had to google that to see what I was being accused of

@RоryMcCune sure but right now it would totally be a waste except for ego stroking

far too sensible to waste money like that

Rоry McCune

@Flyk good plan

Flyk

if I rent a plane now for travelling between two adjacent cities, what am I going to do when I'm 10% short of the list price on my spaceship?

also, renting would mean I can't paint it pink

Rоry McCune

that would be frustrating, I'm sure

Flyk

indeed, what a careless waste of resources with no consideration for future requirements

it's still possible to be the first person to drop dubstep in low earth orbit

Rоry McCune

10:44 AM

@Flyk that would be cool.. I wonder if anyone's done that while in freefall

Flyk

I'm also pretty sure that nobody has written an original track in orbit yet as well

Rоry McCune

IIRC you can get trips that give you the Zero-G aspect without actually hitting LEO

Flyk

@RоryMcCune sure, rapid descent in a plane

Rоry McCune

@Flyk so you could buy one of those as a test/training thing and do Dubstep freefall

Flyk

welp, I have finished absorbing all of the bad will from the various mainstream news sites I stumbled upon

Rоry McCune

10:56 AM

@Flyk yeah reading the Mainstream media is rarely an experience likely to give you warm fuzzy feelings...

Flyk

better than some of the other bonkers I've been told recently

what is this about the american government having an artificial intelligence in control of their military?

Terry Chia

@Flyk Nah, if it was true they would be making better decisions.

Flyk

11:25 AM

so what is Jade2 and Jade Helm 15 then?

yes, I know, it's amazing where the hunt for samples goes

one minute I'm watching a video on assassination conspiracies and the next I'm watching my little pony

Rоry McCune

@Flyk only thing I've seen recently along those lines was an open letter from a lot of prominent techies telling governments generally not to create autonomous AI style weapons

sounded like very sensible advice to me

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune But but but... I want Skynet. :(

Flyk

@RоryMcCune well depending on who you believe and what you read, Jade2 is apparently some system for mapping human behavior using information available in the social domain to build battle plans

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia do you.... do you really...

@Flyk sounds plausible..

Flyk

@RоryMcCune it flags people who don't do what the 99% does

in theory

Rоry McCune

11:36 AM

I was thinking the other day. Downside of biometric auth on phones + next gen location services, means that (apart from fake biometrics which aren't common) data owners will be able to say exactly where a specific person was at a specific point in time (i.e. not just someone who had the pin code for the device, but somone who had the fingerprint for the device)

@Flyk hmm will be interesting to see where that gets use..

Flyk

from a site called "chemtrailsplanet" (lol)

it says:

JADE” is an A.I. quantum computing technology that produces holographic battlefield simulations and has the ability to use vast amounts of data being collected on the human domain to generate human terrain systems in geographic population centric locations to identify and eliminate targets, insurgents, rebels or whatever labels that can be flagged as targets in a Global Information Grid for Network Centric Warfare environments.

The JADE II battle field system is cognitive and intuitive. It can examine prior executed battle plans and and devise ‘new and better’ strategies to increase the ‘k…

that basically sounds like what I remember from Wargames

Rоry McCune

@Flyk sounds like @TerryChia gets his skynet after all...

Flyk

@RоryMcCune yeah

it just makes you wonder whether all of the high profile individuals who came out with the AI warnings all at the same time a few months back knew something we didn't

Rоry McCune

that would make sense

Flyk

we'll find out soon enough, anyway

Rоry McCune

11:43 AM

you reckon discussing this means we'll be getting black helicopter visits soon..?

Flyk

well it goes one of two ways I think

if we're right, surely the AI would just suppress the information and then cease deeming us as a threat because we weren't shouting, or singing about it

and if we're wrong, then the US would probably like the fact we're wrong because it's just another theory that they can hide what they're really upto behind

neither of us live in the US

I suppose they could randomly black bag us but that means travelling to Scotland in your case, and nobody wants to do that

and I'm pretty sure you wouldn't get away with a random firefight where I'm at without causing an international incident

Rоry McCune

@Flyk although we do have a large military base right next door, so they could just hand off to their local lot.

@Flyk vatican city?

Flyk

@RоryMcCune ahahaha like the vatican city would allow me anywhere near

Rоry McCune

@Flyk well on the list of places where firefights cause diplomatic incidents, it seemed quite high

Flyk

sure but that's literally top on the list

there are quite a few further down the list

like Monaco, for example, where you can get arrested for dressing incorrectly!

Rоry McCune

11:54 AM

@Flyk probably the same in Singapore as well, they seem quite strict about that kind of thing

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Nah.

Flyk

I wish instead of making artificial intelligence they'd concentrate on something useful, like inertial dampening

I'm so glad that @LucasKauffman didn't get a diamond

oh hai, @LucasKauffman

M'vy

@Flyk We'll have a new chance in 5 years

I just hope I won't need a new T-Shirt in the meantime

Flyk

12:11 PM

@M'vy that's optimistic

sitting down and doing nothing makes me feel bored

I haven't felt bored in months

and it's far more unsettling than it used to feel

Lucas Kauffman

@Flyk I wasn't even seriously considering getting one :p

I don't have time for it to do it properly I think

Flyk

@LucasKauffman so what would you have done if you had won?

Bit late for second thoughts...

I suppose it's a similar level of commitment to most of the rest of the moderator team, though

ie: all the power, none of the work

Rоry McCune

ahh I see a familiar avatar.. hey @paj28 you going to B-Sides Manchester this month?

Lucas Kauffman

@Flyk I guess I'd feel obliged then as it would mean that they want me to do the job

Flyk

@LucasKauffman hardly, politics is always about the best smile in a sticky situation, nobody cares if you can do the job, they just don't want the other guys in

M'vy

12:28 PM

@Flyk Well, yeah. 1 y. 3 y. for the previous ones, so I infered 5 y. for the next one.

Flyk

yes but, what if it's every other value from the fibonacci sequence?

the next one would be in 8 y!

I don't know anything and i should be quiet

Terry Chia

@Flyk No, that's @Simon.

Flyk

Everybody knows Simon is more intelligent than I am

Terry Chia

@Flyk pls

Lucas Kauffman

12:45 PM

Donut donut donut

Flyk

dentist kills a lion, world goes fucking crazy

60% of the world's population eats meat, nobody cares

*60% is a random completely fictional number I made up

Arperum

I just called insert into tblwebsitemenu values (null) ten times to fix a migration issue.

Flyk

I tried being completely vegan but I like cheese

Arperum

I have no idea how that worked, but it did.

Flyk

@Arperum The rules of the universe state that because you took the easy ride this time you'll pay for it soon

Arperum

12:50 PM

@Flyk Dentist kills named lion.

That part is important.

Flyk

@Arperum not to any individual capable of thinking for theirselves

Arperum

@Flyk Those individuals are generally not busy with going mad at that specific dentist. It's the brainless masses that are being stupid again.

Thomas Pornin

@Flyk The amusing part is the people asking swift and full justice from... Robert Mugabe.

Flyk

"justice"... hehe

Arperum

@ThomasPornin I'm sure they can figure something out assuming enough money changes owner.

Flyk

12:55 PM

I think that everybody directly or indirectly responsible for a death of any animal should be killed... hey wait, where did the population of earth go?

Arperum

@Flyk That would long term solve every issue humanity has ever caused.

Flyk

so would fire

paj28

@RоryMcCune - hey fellar! Yep, I'll be there. Think I'm doing a secure coding workshop and have submitted a talk on static analysis. U?

Rоry McCune

@paj28 woo, sounds like something I'll need to get along to. I'm down for it, as is the missus, probably not presenting (I offered to be a back-up speaker as I've got some decks I can present if needed, but nothing that's not been already presented elsewhere)

paj28

@RоryMcCune - cool, hope to see you there. The workshop would be very basic for you, but I think you'd like my talk :)

Flyk

1:04 PM

@paj28 is secure coding where you only do development within a faraday cage within a locked room?

while armed

paj28

@Flyk - sadly not, although that would make it far more interesting :) It's just basic anti-XSS, anti-SQL injection

Ohnana

@Flyk the amount of programmers carrying guns is hilarious

Flyk

@paj28 I didn't realize those were still problems, has programming not moved on in the last decade?

Journeyman Geek

as long as they arn't carrying screwdrivers

Dentist is a dumbass who trusts native guides who are smartasses and kills a tourist attraction

paj28

@Flyk - I see XSS in most pen tests and SQL injection in at least one in ten, maybe one in five

Rоry McCune

1:11 PM

@Flyk lets just say the OWASP top 10 lost a grand total of one issue from 2003 - > 2013

Flyk

Information Security industry must spend too long fear mongering and banging drums while selling cheap fixes that don't actually solve the problem, like the global warming committees did before realizing it was part of the natural lifecycle of the planet.

I get it, it's self preservation, you can't be an information security specialist if there is nothing to secure

Thomas Pornin

@Flyk "natural lifecycle of the planet"...

paj28

@Flyk - you got it! Now shhh don't tell anyone

Rоry McCune

@Flyk not really, companies generally don't want to hear the truth about InfoSec

Flyk

@ThomasPornin ;)

Terry Chia

1:14 PM

@Flyk Nope.

Rоry McCune

do everything really quickly and cheaply while making use of tonnes of unaudited 3rd party code is not a recipe for good security but that does not stop people doing it.

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune lists.immunityinc.com/pipermail/dailydave/2015-August/…

Rоry McCune

@TerryChia yeah his ideas are a bit ..... odd ... in places

but he has some good points

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune He mostly makes sense.

Thomas Pornin

@RоryMcCune Short sentences, vulgar vocabulary and some name-pointing. This is a rhetoric trick designed to make him sound interesting.

Your brain is instinctively seeing through it and thus raises some warning flags.

Rоry McCune

1:23 PM

@ThomasPornin well "the mythical art of hacking" rhetoric isn't one I've ever been a fan of, and that post uses it a lot

Thomas Pornin

His point about the unreliability of mercenaries is a good point, but it is an old one; Sun Zi already said the same thing.

Flyk

The best solution is to always ignore all advise people give you and just do your own thing

like muffins

I just eat the tops, as they're the best part

M'vy

@Flyk you should not do this :)

Flyk

it's where the muffin just breaks free from the pan and is like "my way..."

"I am going to do these things!"

"but one of those involves genocide"

"BUT I WANNA"

Simon

GOOD MORNING SUNSHINES

Flyk

1:30 PM

obviously not talking to me

Lucas Kauffman

@Flyk I thought you were into hardcore not an emo

Flyk

are you talking about music?

or sex?

pls

or what?

or wot

1:34 PM

wat

w

a

you wut mate

adorable

#360noscope

1:36 PM

@RоryMcCune Llamas are the reason why we can't have nice things.

Rоry McCune

@Simon indeed... well apart from severed hands

Simon

Also, what kind of word starts with 2 l's?

Arperum

@RоryMcCune Meh, it's good business selling them. Not much customers, but the money is fine.

@Simon Spanish words apparently.

Flyk

Simon is from the wrong side of the planet to know that Spain exists

Simon

Yeah like wot is Spain lads?

Rоry McCune

1:49 PM

@Simon the place that pays @Flyk a lot of money to play dance music

Simon

By dance music you mean stuff like la cucaracha?

Rоry McCune

@Simon ...

Simon

soz, did you mean the pls dance then?

Thomas Pornin

@Flyk The planet has sides ? I believed it was, ya know, kind of round.

Flyk

yes the planet has sides

its roundness is an optical illusion

it's actually flat with a teleportation zone at all edges

the water in the atmosphere when viewing the planet from a distance bends light and makes it look round

Thomas Pornin

1:57 PM

@Flyk I knew water was a treacherous matter !

Flyk

I know, the evil overlords

every time I try and tan it ruins my day

every time I try and sleep it goes silent

STOP MESSING WITH ME

Flyk

2:20 PM

o I killed chat

Iszi

@Flyk Nah, it just turns around and commits ritual seppuku from time to time. Totally normal here.

Simon

shut top oszi

Flyk

@Iszi I'm not sure what turning would be involved

Iszi

@Flyk Aside from of the sword, the chat first turns its back on us in shame.

Not really because of anything we've done. Just 'cause it's depressed and melodramatic like that.

I guess you could say our chat is kinda bipolar.

Simon

I still wonder who has flagged stuff here on Friday.

David Freitag

2:44 PM

> // Dispose stuff automagically

I love seeing things like this in code.

@AviD You were the one who wanted to make a meme out of me sleeping like the dead. I just wanted to keep you updated.

Flyk

2:58 PM

If that's your meme, I wonder what the meme for my sleeping requirements is

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