The Comms Room

Nathan C

12:01 AM

"Getting your apps ready" .... snore

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton You use Linux, right?

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite No, I just play a Linux user on TV.

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton does that pay well?

jscott

"It's a UNIX system, I know this!"

ewwhite

@MichaelHampton If you were going to rebuild a database server from EL5 to EL6 for some company tonight, and had to choose a filesystem for the MySQL drives, what would your choice be?

Michael Hampton

12:12 AM

@ewwhite How big?

jscott

How big is the database?

ewwhite

785GB Fusion-io

Michael Hampton

@ewwhite You know a lot more about the performance of various filesystems on those things than I do.

ewwhite

I would use XFS

partially because I've tuned it...

partially because RHEL endorses it now

Nathan C

@ewwhite Then...XFS?

ewwhite

12:14 AM

but I don't want to be too bossy

it's my suggestion, but I think I'm overruled.

Ry Jones

@ewwhite fat16

ewwhite

nuh uh

I was thinking ReiserFS

wife killing isn't funny :(

Michael Hampton

Fuck ReiserFS. In 2005 it killed my files.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton That was just a practice run for the real thing

Nathan C

hm, vmware player's unity mode sort of works

Michael Hampton

12:23 AM

Am I the only person who really hates (VMware) Unity?

Ry Jones

@MichaelHampton the game engine? yes. vmware unity? no.

Nathan C

@MichaelHampton I've never used it until now

Just curious what it did (I had an idea, but...)

Bob

@MichaelHampton I actually rather like it.

Works pretty well. Far better than what VirtualBox does.

Michael Hampton

Oh, I guess it's nice if you're the sort who likes to mix your broccoli in with your cheesecake.

Mark Henderson

@MichaelHampton I use it at home

I do not use it at work

Bob

12:24 AM

@MichaelHampton Eh, it's a quick way to run a Linux program on Windows. Kinda-maybe.

Nathan C

Hmm...

The Express install said it would automatically upload files to OneDrive, but I went to PC settings and it's off.

Bob

@MarkHenderson Hm. I wonder what it could be used for at work. Can't really think of anything.

Mark Henderson

@Bob We run OSX and Windows on the same hardware

But I find myself tending to sepnd all my time in either OSX or Windows

But at home, I mix OSX and Windows together to do things

Or sometimes I mix multiple Windwos installations together

Nathan C

TIL: Email spam was named after a Monty Python skit.

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson I found running games on the nicest GPU Apple sells in a MBP under OS X got me 20-30 fps, same hardware under Windows 8 got me 300+

Mark Henderson

12:30 AM

@RyJones Damn

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson yup. I returned it and bought an Alienware desktop. If I'm running Windows 8, it will be on a wintendo

Nathan C

@RyJones But it's shiny!

Ry Jones

@NathanC no touch screen.

Nathan C

@RyJones But.... SHINY!!!

:o

Ry Jones

I bought this and it comes with LEDs in the case you can control the color of

Journeyman Geek

12:35 AM

lol

nice!

hm. I have a love hate relationship with new things.

Mark Henderson

@RyJones the single most important performance feature of any PC

@JourneymanGeek My love/hate relationship with new things is that after you get them they are invariably not quite as exciting as you had hoped

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: I'd settle for being able to turn them off

Mark Henderson

I remember when I got my new car, and I was driving it home and I thought "Well, this is nice... but now what?"

Journeyman Geek

@MarkHenderson: Oh, my issue is being risk averse with stuff that works

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Thats why my home PC is still from 2009

It fuckin works

Journeyman Geek

12:39 AM

so I'll just spin up a VM, I mainly need to get my head around btrfs snapshots. Which in turn interests me cause I want to set up bridging on fedora for KVM

Ry Jones

12:56 AM

IT upgraded git server from 1.7.xxx to 1.8.xxx and it broke. Of course, they did it after hours the day the one guy who really knows how that server works is out of town.

Journeyman Geek

naturally

Ry Jones

well, we rolled back, so now things will crash every ten minutes overnight, but at least it will be available

Journeyman Geek

1:17 AM

hm. Turns out there's an easier way to do a bridged vm.

Nathan C

@MarkHenderson Heh, I was that way after Windows 10 finished installing...I was like "okay, cool. Now...what do I do?"

if it wasn't so tech preview I'd just be like #yolo and install it on my home PC...and keep all my stuff on an external drive

Journeyman Geek

lol

@NathanC: I'm tempted to try VHD booting it

Mark Henderson

Whatever happened to animated cursors?

Nathan C

I couldn't get virtualbox to work...but vmware player worked fine

Mark Henderson

I remember when they were introduced and they were great, cos you could watch the hourglass fill up and flip around

Now it's all boring static sprites

Sorry I should have said "Animated Hourglasses"

jrg

2:14 AM

Philosophical question that is definitely off-topic on the site: Are people in favor of a bunch of smaller, single-purpose instances in ZE CLOUD or beefier "all-in-one" instances?

Michael Hampton

@jrg Except for the very smallest deployments, I prefer to keep things separated.

jrg

@MichaelHampton OK. Define small deployment?

Michael Hampton

@jrg Everything fits neatly into the equivalent of one of Amazon's small or micro instances.

jrg

@MichaelHampton Nope, this is definitely not a small deployment then.

Michael Hampton

@jrg It also has security implications. For instance, on a web site I admin I have to run the database on a separate instance for PCI compliance.

Magellan

2:26 AM

Time for some Spaceballs.

jrg

@MichaelHampton DB is off of amazons RDS.

Nathan C

Attempt #1838232 to upgrade to W8

Michael Hampton

@jrg It counts :)

jrg

I am not a DBA. I am a developer. I can't afford to hire a Ops person yet, so I'm renting amazons. :P

Nathan C

So...if I do the upgrade, my Bitlockerd external drive will still open...right?

I put the "portable" bitlocker on it

Michael Hampton

2:27 AM

@NathanC Yeah, it should. Though I actually have printed recovery keys for the few Bitlocker drives I have.

They aren't here though...

Nathan C

@MichaelHampton I saved a copy to my google drive just in case...

Michael Hampton

@NathanC ROFL!

jrg

@NathanC like that's secure...

Michael Hampton

Dear NSA, here are all my Bitlocker keys.

Nathan C

Meh, it's not like it's absolutely "secure" anyway. It's my backup drive

jrg

2:29 AM

Granted, they probably already had a way in... it was just more difficult.

Nathan C

It auto-unlocks when I boot the computer, so it's not like I'm hiding anything behind it :P

If I really wanted to hide something I'd just use truecrypt...

(dead or not, it's still solid encryption)

Apparently bluetooth software takes longer than most large programs to uninstall...

Mark Henderson

3:22 AM

Whoah, Windows Server 10 has removed all the stupid tiles/metro from the start menu. ABOUT FUCKING TIME. A server OS should not have a touch interface. At all.

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I'll let you touch my server.

I'll let you swipe all over it!

Mark Henderson

@Wesley I would touch your server all night long

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Oh baby, I've got a power dongle and a maintenance window just for you.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Will you go down during the maintenance window?

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I'll get nagios flapping like a wounded pigeon.

Mark Henderson

3:30 AM

@Wesley Careful you'll make my phone vibrate so much I won't need you

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Remind me to return the electric toothbrush I bought you for boxing day.

Boxing day rules:
1) Cut hole in box

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Put your junk in that box

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Pour fire ants in that box.

Mark Henderson

Remember: It's not gay when it's in a 3-way (with lady ga ga in the middle)

Wesley

DON'T JUDGE ME!

@MarkHenderson It's not gay if it's on the moon.

Mark Henderson

3:32 AM

I subscribe more to the "It's not gay if the balls don't touch" school of thought

Wesley

►

Mark Henderson

lol kevin beacon

@Wesley remember a few years ago I reserved an August Smart Lock using your home address?

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Yes

Mark Henderson

It looks like they might actually ship them soon

So if you receive one, it's probably for me :P

Wesley

3:49 AM

@MarkHenderson So you're saying I shouldn't have sold it on ebay.

I really did forget about that.

If something like that had come I would have shipped it back or given it away. :D

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Thats OK I was always planning on reminding you about it when I got a shipping notification

(I havent got one yet, but ther eis a generic notification that they have started fulfilling orders)

Oh stack exchange

-1

A: If I don't declare a not-yet-used engagement ring at airport security, am I smuggling jewelry?

To be safe and not ruin the romantic moment you should smuggle the ring in a bodily cavity.

Wesley

4:13 AM

@MarkHenderson Upvoted.

UNGHHH I need to get stuff done but I'm sitting on the sofa watching college football

Ry Jones

@Wesley good for you

Wesley

I feel lazy.

Having said that I started doing the timesheet for my moonlighting work in September

15 hours on the dot.

A bit more than I thought.

Mark Henderson

4:45 AM

Scored two 5520's with 2GB RAM for $1,000/each. Suck on that Cisco - no commission for you.

Dennis Kaarsemaker

good morning not-so-gentlemen

Ry Jones

5:03 AM

that's my phone on the right

Secops Monkey

Migrating Graylog Servers - Part 2

posted on October 03, 2014 by Scott Pack

This is the second in a multi-part series where I explore the process of transforming an existing Graylog install into a resilient and scalable multi-site installation. Start here for Part 1. Server Setup At this point we have about 6 months of data in our existing Graylog2 system so I wanted the entire migration to happen without data loss and to be as seamless as possible. For the new e…

Ry Jones

Mark Henderson

@RyJones NZer do hate being called Australians

Ry Jones

@MarkHenderson I've noticed

Mark Henderson

5:54 AM

@Wesley I think my QNAP might be on the way out

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Q: QNAP reboots every 16 hours or so

I have a QNAP TS-412. It has 4x 4TB WD Red drives in RAID10. The poor thing works pretty hard. Virtually 24/7 it runs at 20-30MB/sec as a backup device from a bunch of office computers and a handful of servers. In the last 2 weeks, seemingly out of nowhere, it has been rebooting every 16 hours ...

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Sucks. =/

QNAP does have a shell

It's shitty busybox

You can see /var/log/syslog and stuff

Mark Henderson

@Wesley yeah it has a shell. I dont know if its busybox or not

Wesley

I think the UI has syslog emitter that you can puke it all out from

Mark Henderson

I don't have a syslog collector

Wesley

/mnt/HDA_ROOT/.logs

Check there

Look for kmsg

Mark Henderson

6:02 AM

@Wesley Ohh

Lots of stuff

Now to see if there's anything intersting

Wesley

Yeah, it's in a weird location.

Mark Henderson

Man I have no idea if anyt of this shit is critical or not

Journeyman Geek

hm, look for stuff that says SHUTDOWN REBOOT or CRITICAL?

Wesley

superuser.com/questions/820162/… <-- We're just two cats, talking on the internet.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek None of those phrases :(

Journeyman Geek

6:06 AM

hmm

Mark Henderson

There are loads of hits on "Exception"

But I have no idea if they're critical or not

Journeyman Geek

how do you know its every 16 hours?

can you narrow down the time?

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek Rough guess

Usually I get a bunch of emails when it reboots

Journeyman Geek

From the machine or from users?

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek lol from the backup software that is backing up to it

And sometimes from users

Journeyman Geek

6:08 AM

ahh

that should narrow it down somewhat

Mark Henderson

Yeah this kmsg file does not contain datetime stamps in any format I can uynderstand

<4>[66929.942804]

Journeyman Geek

hm. unix epoch?

Mark Henderson

Not that I immediately recognise :(

Wesley

Welcome to QNAP's world. You're just a maggot filled boil on its useless amputation stump from a horrible concrete saw accident involving spiced rum and naked cousins.

Mark Henderson

Why do I keep buying them? lol

Actually until this they've been pretty good to me

<0>[573426.798633] Internal error: Oops: 1 [#2] ARM

Wesley

6:11 AM

Oh that's helpful.

FATAL ERROR: OOPS LOL

3

Dennis Kaarsemaker

@MarkHenderson seconds/nanoseconds since boot.

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker So I really need to look for one with a large gap between the numbers

Not something grep can do :(

One where the numbers go backwards, really

Journeyman Geek

0_0

Dennis Kaarsemaker

sed or awk can supposedly do this. But I'd go for perl -pi :)

Mark Henderson

@DennisKaarsemaker Its 15 minutes before home time on a long weekend. I aint busting out any scripting tools.

Wesley

6:15 AM

I wonder how derogatory against QNAP and weird we can get with meow talk before we get cleaned up.

QNAP literally gave safe harbor to Osama Bin Laden.

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Meow motherfucker

3

Wesley

QNAP beat two puppies to death with a toddler.

QNAP is literally worse than @DennisKaarsemaker

Okay, maybe not that bad.

Mark Henderson

Shit I just noticed this qnap is rebuilding its array

These drives are almost brand new

And every time it reboots, the rebuild restarts

I think this may be the cuplrit - I bet the rebuild is hitting the same spot in the drives and rebooting

Wesley

Mew mew rowww SKREEEE! (QNAP sucks) — Wesley 7 secs ago

Mark Henderson

[>....................]  resync =  1.2% (95568640/7810899072) finish=25217.8min speed=5098K/sec

Wesley

6:18 AM

Ruh roh.

URE?

I bet it's a URE. Does it burn when you pee?

Mark Henderson

@Wesley SMART shows nothing

Which is of course not that useful

Wesley

Yeah. =/

Hey @MarkHenderson you just crested 4k on SuperUser. Do you get new privs?

Mark Henderson

@Wesley Ohhh

Lemme check

I dont even know where to check any more

Found it

Nah next privs are at 5k

Wesley

superuser.com/privileges I think

Mark Henderson

Whcih is the super exciting "edit tag wiki"

superuser.com/help/privileges

Wesley

6:24 AM

Ask @JourneymanGeek - he owns that place.

Mark Henderson

@JourneymanGeek OP ME

I hate not being a mod on other sites

I miss all my mod tools

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Oh man, that threw me back to IRC days

Mark Henderson

I also remember when the gap between privs was like 3k to 10k with nothing between

And I remember passing 10k and it took me like 18 months of actually trying/caring

Wesley

0

Q: Restore default Linux permissions

I accidentally applied chmod 700 to the whole filesystem instead of the current directory. Non-root users now cannot run any command even though I've 777'd paths in $PATH and restarted sshd just after . I don't have a replacement Linux to copy permissions from. Is there a way out? Anybody has a c...

linux permissions

HNNGGG

I'm going to be sick.

Mark Henderson

Would it be bad to just comment with LOLU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200‌BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200BU+200B?

Iain

6:27 AM

G'say

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Do it and I'll upvote it.

Iain

@Wesley That needs a comment 'Please don't even think about migrating this to SF'

Wesley

@Iain Holla back, yo

Was this childish?

0

A: Restore default Linux permissions

Without a source machine to copy permissions from, wether programmatically or by hand (yeah, right), you are up the virtual creek without a paddle. The best you can do is hope for a tar backup that you took and forgot about to recreate permissions from. Even copying permissions from a proper sour...

I think that was childish. :D

Mark Henderson

I think it's silly-o-clock

Wesley

@JourneymanGeek is going to mod hammer me for that.

Mark Henderson

6:33 AM

lol — Mark Henderson 5 secs ago

Wesley

How did you comment so small?

You're so small, Mark!

@Wesley U+200B

Ohhh. Ohhhhhh.

Zero width space

Right.

6:33 AM

You sneaky mofo.

Been an old trick since comments were first introduced

Designed exactly to prevent the kind of dumbass comment like mine

[ ](fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/200B/index.htm)

Turns out you can't use a ZWSP as a hyperlink!

Wesley

@MarkHenderson I always used HTML comments but they took those away from us.

Mark Henderson

Welp home time

Wesley

@MarkHenderson Drive safe. Have fun. wink

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A'ight Loony Tunes. I'm off to bed.

MichelZ

6:52 AM

good morning peeps

@Wesley TO BED!

Journeyman Geek

@Wesley: not flagged yet. It'll either be flagged, or you'll repcap. Maybe both.

MichelZ

7:27 AM

@JourneymanGeek doooon't flag it. It's beautyful

Journeyman Geek

@MichelZ: I'm a mod. I don't flag, I obliterate

MichelZ

@JourneymanGeek You CENSURE! Shame on you, China! (you're not chinese, are you??)

Jenny D

morning

RobM

7:43 AM

morning

MichelZ

morning

Journeyman Geek

@MichelZ No, Ethnic Indian, actually

(even if my ID reads ~~cylon~~ ceylonese)

Iain

8:08 AM

Can we punt this to SU please serverfault.com/q/633209/9517

Chopper3

8:57 AM

Morning Campers

Bob

> Where is the service command?

lol.

tombull89

@Chopper3 Hi-De-Hi!

Bit before my time...

Chopper3

9:24 AM

@tombull89 :) one rep off 80k, feel bad about downvoting some random in the past

Bob

@Chopper3 s/one rep off/just over/

;)

Chopper3

@Bob Oh thank you, you didn't have to, I wasn't fishing for that but thanks anyway :)

MichelZ

9:38 AM

@Chopper3 congrats!

Chopper3

@MichelZ :)

MichelZ

@Chopper3 I meant: congrats on spending a big chunk of your life for useless stuff

:)

Chopper3

@MichelZ haha

pauska

10:02 AM

Well, I wouldn't call it useless, seeing google contacting me about a data center manager position due to mye activity on this site :p

MichelZ

@pauska for a 40k$ job? or what do they pay there? :D

Chopper3

I do love it when I google for the answer to something and the top result is my own work on here - still freaks me out, but also shows how shit my memory is these days :)

2

MichelZ

lol @Chopper3

right, I have that sometimes as well

Dan

11:25 AM

@Chopper3 I read a whole answer the other day before I realised it was my own :D

Iain

I've done that too

Iain

11:43 AM

What's to be done about this guy serverfault.com/users/246421/teddy 3 questions about websphere in <30 minutes demonstrating that he's $clueless and needs education and not Q&A

faker

0

Q: How to setup load balancing on 2 stand-alone servers

So here is how our situation looks like. We are hosting several OpenCart Webshops (7) on 1 server. The problem is, when the rush hour hits, all webshops become slow. Currently I'm using a pretty dumb solution which gives a satisfying effect. All heavy databases and files are hosted on another se...

webserver load-balancing

what kind of answer is this guy expecting?

Nick

@faker round robin DNS?

pauska

He finds the articles about load balancing too complex, and looks to us for a simple answer (there is none)

Iain

@Nick always a winner

faker

@Nick wait now, I thought round robin DNS is used for failover? Can it also do load balancing? Wow!!

Nick

11:51 AM

@faker a random IP is chosen at each request so yes

pauska

man, the frontpage is bad today..

faker

@Nick I'm joking. I don't consider it load balancing at all. Load distribution maybe.

Nick

@faker Meh it does its job on settling the network load so I'm calling it load balancing :p

The only socket near my computer has a switch that cuts the power when my PC is shut down... where should I plug in my router now -.-

the-wabbit

@Chopper3 strictly speaking, the question is soliciting debate and / or arguments, which is quite the description of the "not constructive" close reason. But as I always found that the entire question closure procedure is a rat shit minefield, I'd be least likely to vote for closure here.

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Q: Linux on VMware - why use partitioning?

When installing Linux VMs in a virtualized environment (ESXi in my case), are there any compelling reasons to partition the disks (when using ext4) rather than just adding separate disks for each mount point? The only one I can see is that it makes it somewhat easier to see if there's data pres...

linux partition disk

Iain

if you can't be arsed to read and google the error messages then why should we help you

can we obliviate this pos serverfault.com/q/633307/9517

the-wabbit

11:58 AM

@Iain because folks on the internet are Mother Theresa followers.

Iain

@the-wabbit fuck Mother Teresa and how've you been, not seen you in a while

the-wabbit

@Iain I'll do that, thanks for your helpful advice.

Doing fine, rather busy at the moment. New projects keep coming in before I am done with the old ones.

Iain

and starting new projects is always more interesting than finishing the old ones

the-wabbit

And somebody has ordered a reorganization on our department. Again. I feel like being part of a Dilbert cartoon strip.

Iain

:(

the-wabbit

12:06 PM

@Iain "finishing" is a major problem. Except for one field of activity obviously.

MichelZ

i'm in love

digitaltigers.com/…

NEW! Zenview Atlas 27 Ultrathin
Eight-screen monitor with large 27" premium screens · larger text size, easy on the eyes · ultra-narrow monitor bezel: only 0.31" (0.8cm) border per screen · FHD 1080p resolution per screen, 178°/178° viewing angles

Nick

@MichelZ and im here sitting with 2 25'' screens

the-wabbit

@Iain how's the mood on the island currently? You all must be rather relieved after the failed Scots' separation attempt.

MichelZ

@Nick I have 6 currently samsung.com/us/computer/monitors/LS23MURHB/ZA-specs

the-wabbit

@MichelZ what are you doing with all the screen real estate, though? It must take a whole morning to even read through the initial display of information.

Or is it about VR porn?

Nick

12:12 PM

@MichelZ I have 2 of these lg.com/uk/monitors/lg-24MP55HQ

the-wabbit

(then no further explanation is necessary)

MichelZ

@the-wabbit it's really good for organizing. You guys are full screen on one display here :D

Iain

@the-wabbit Ambivalence as normal.

MichelZ

all-the-time

the-wabbit

@MichelZ Wow. I feel valued and important all of a sudden. That's what screens do to you, even if they are not your own.

Nick

12:14 PM

@MichelZ I want to try using this with a tiled window manager :p

MichelZ

@Nick :)

the-wabbit

@Iain weren't you worried? I surely would be if my country were about to split in half.

Today is Germany's Unity Day, by the way

cole

8:17 - i'm the only sysadmin here

Iain

@the-wabbit I wasn't consulted, I don't know what the issues were that make some Scottish people want to become a separate country. The worst that would have happened from my POV was that the Tories would be hard to get out of power as Labour rely on Scotts MPs

Nick

I have to move a full bookcase out of the way ... oh joy

the-wabbit

12:24 PM

@Iain these things often have economic and social repercussions, don't they? It likely would have been worse for the Scottish, but the rest of Great Britain would have gotten a good shaking, too.

Iain

@the-wabbit Yes but it really wasn't a big discussion topic outside of Scotland and it really didn't get much air time till it became possible that the yes campaign might win.

In fact I've spoken to you about it more than pretty much anyone else

Basil

1:20 PM

morning

RobM

hey basil

Dan

1:50 PM

If I get one e-mail that starts with "Can you help" and contains the phrase "We believe this is caused by...." when I've reiterated time and time again that they're looking in the wrong place I'm going to get upset

I've also just seen an e-mail in a trail that says "I asked this yesterday, but Dan didn't answer the question". The very defition of the XY problem but they're obsessed with the Y :(

@RobM As we're now engaged professionally, you'll just need to ignore all of my posts in here from now on and presume I'm 100% professional all of the time

HopelessN00b

Any word on when this web fad is going to die already? Fucking webshit is killing me right now.

MichelZ

@HopelessN00b sup

RobM

@dan likewise ;-)

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