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12:00 AM
$8246
1 TB Suggested Backup Volume
2 TB Usable Storage Capacity
 
That's horrible.
For that money, just build your own box and use lvm snapshots and rsync / rsnapshot over stunnel or something.
 
ok, I think it's time to get this spandex really fucking sweaty
It's cooled down to 95F, so it must be time to ride home
 
12:17 AM
@freiheit get a new bike!
 
@ewwhite 0_0
@ewwhite: Thats a commodity box with a sticker on it. And not even a nice case.
 
right
 
(and previously mentioned microserver is nicer hardware in most senses)
And that probably uses a SFF power supply, which sucks, replacementwise.
@Wesley: backblaze pods are shiny, but they seem rather fragile.
 
@JourneymanGeek Oh they are. They're intended to be viewed more in terms of rackfulls, than even terms of the boxes themselves.
If you've got less than six racks, you're doing it wrong. :P
 
12:23 AM
Even then I want to saw more like 10 or 12.
 
you want to saw them?
You need a pretty big saw
 
@JourneymanGeek I have a Microserver, and don't like it. Windows Server 2012 had huge driver issues and I had to hack it to work.
I want to try a newer MicroServer
 
@Wesley: The formfactor of the new ones seems nice
But non standard PSU is a turnoff for me.
 
Yeah
 
I think I'm going to spec out the rough equivalent of what @ewwhite linked, done right just for curiosity's sake ;p
 
12:34 AM
heh
 
hm. 1.7 grand, for 12tb raw, 6tb if you do raid 1 or 0.
pcpartpicker.com/p/gPq623 I'd PROBABLY add an SSD for boot, I guess
(I like designing systems ;p)
and nearly 1200 of that price is the drives ;p
 
@ewwhite Sounds about right.
 
surprisingly accurate
but crazy to see that honesty
 
12:57 AM
good evenin'
 
1:07 AM
evenin @Kate
 
Plz to be moving to SO: serverfault.com/questions/633468/…
 
@jscott Or burn with fire. I vote for fire.
 
It could go either way I suppose...
 
1:37 AM
user image
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@ChrisS fucking A man
 
I think I'm going to write some votebait Q&A
 
If I could think of something I'd post votebait too. Just seems like to more inane things get a million votes
 
If I want to erase a disk, is dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda1 bs=4M better or bs=256k?
bang, a million rep
 
 
4 hours later…
5:35 AM
g'day
@RyJones Can I recover something if I copied it to /dev/null ?
 
5:53 AM
@freiheit who fucked markdown?
 
@MichelZ When isn't markdown fucked?
 
6:39 AM
I think a high rep privilege should be to be able to burst like five downvotes at once.
I want to downvote his face off: serverfault.com/questions/633502/…
 
@Wesley it should also have a high rep privilege to VTC as "stupid"
 
VTC: "You have robbed me of my will to live."
 
that would be OK as well :)
 
Am I being stupid here, but wouldn't you just set the lease to permanent serverfault.com/questions/633498/… ?
 
@Iain it's called DHCP IP Reservation in Windows... probably depends on the DHCP server, but I would imagine most servers can do that?
 
6:53 AM
@Iain I ask myself that a lot when I see the front page.
If I was dying of ebola, you could console me by saying "Well at least it's not DD-WRT."
 
I lie the OPs assertion that they know how dhcp works
 
I was going to say "If you know it so well, why are you asking?" but decided not to start a slap fight.
Someone jammed open the sluice gates and let loose a torrent of petrification on the front page.
 
@Wesley I was going to do the same but declined like you
 
@Iain I do believe I'm going to go against my better judgement and wade into the "Halp people are victimizing me" post on meta.
Because I hate myself that much.
 
7:08 AM
@Wesley honestly it's not worth your time
 
@Iain The sad thing is: I know. I still want to. It's my mosquito bite.
Once in a while, you know you shouldn't, but you just want a good dig at it. :D
STAB STAB STAB
I hate the "You can't tell me this is coincidence" line. Look, you yell fire in a crowded theater and get trampled, then accuse people of persecuting you and saying "You can't tell me it was coincidence that 200 people stepped on my head! 200 PEOPLE IN A ROW!!"
The logic is so, so bad.
Soooooooo bad.
 
7:26 AM
@Wesley sup, mofo?
 
@MichelZ In bed. Almost asleep.
 
@Wesley sleep well then
 
7:45 AM
morning!
 
8:09 AM
heya
 
Bob
8:31 AM
Whoops wrong chat
 
9:09 AM
0_0
tt-rss.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3163&p=18584#p18584 someone is quite literally trying to run a webapp on his phone.
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek "I could run that on my watch!"
 
10:05 AM
@Bob scary thing is? Thats plausible
 
@JourneymanGeek why does google need football-fields full of servers then?
seems silly
just use watches
 
@MichelZ: beats me. They just need a redundant array of inexpensive vaguely expensive smartwatches.
 
yep
 
(Also, that should be hillarious, ttrss's dev is notoriously snarky)
 
10:25 AM
Why is my pi seeding to LAN at 2 MB/s -.- I want to download 75GB off it
 
@Nick because it's a pi?
 
@MichelZ still tho 2MB/s LAN speed is wtf
 
11:23 AM
good morning
 
 
1 hour later…
12:49 PM
is ubuntu.com awfully slow for anyone else?
 
hacked
 
@ewwhite ?
 
fuck ubuntu
 
oh, I'm just saying that
 
fubuntu
should get renamed
 
12:51 PM
Heh ubuntu server is 64 bit only? thats new
And I like ubuntu
 
I know
go to the superuser.com folks - they like it, too :D
 
@MichelZ meh just cant be bothered to install debian... especially for desktops :P
 
@Nick use obamux
 
@MichelZ whats that? tries to use google, fails
 
that's something I just invented. Obama Linux. Obamux
 
12:56 PM
@MichelZ Obama Linux? Would love to see that.
 
i'm just messing with you... I have no clue about linux :)
 
@MichelZ I know, windows guy eh?
 
yep
and proud of it :D
 
Haven't used anything microsoft related for 7 years... and proud of it :D
 
I used windows all the time
gets me into putty
 
12:57 PM
@Nick and pretty common with server distros. Nearly nothing modern is 32 bit only anyway
 
so I can get onto my AIX server and my storage
 
Morning
 
I also use windows to screw around on the internet instead of working sometimes
 
@Basil you could actually just use DOS then :)
 
@cole hey
 
12:58 PM
@JourneymanGeek I have a old PC with 512MB RAM... I dont think 64bit will run nicely
 
hey @Basil
 
@MichelZ DOS does ssh?
 
@Nick then go with minimal or alternate :p
 
Got an IM from my boss yesterday saying "i know you have been busting ass lately and I appreciate it immensely. if you want to head out early, go for it" Which I guess was nice, but I told him I'd be even more far behind if I did, but the offer was nice - and some recognition.
 
With 512MB RAM I would still go for 64 bit.
Since the remaining 3GB is a tad cramped for ADR
 
12:59 PM
it actually does
 
Meh, I already have putty installed and all my servers saved.
but good to know it's an option
I just wish it worked with ssh without installing something
 
:)
 
@Nick shittiest system I have is a 1.6 GHz single core atom mini itx from around 06
Does 64bit fine
 
@JourneymanGeek shittiest one I have is a toshiba satelite PA31 something ... ill try throwing linux on there and make it auto ssh on boot and using it as a remote control for my media center
 
ALSO, AWWW YISS
 
1:05 PM
Nice
 
cool @cole
@Nick you control your mediacenter using SSH?
 
@MichelZ yup :P debian+omxplayer+NAS
 
that's geek
I have a normal remote
:)
 
@MichelZ That's good cause I'm a geek
 
@Nick oh, this has run 24/7 for almost 5 years. Some rebuilds
 
1:09 PM
@Nick how does your wife/gf use the mediacenter?
 
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Q: Will leaving a wet jacket to dry in a server room damage any equipment?

Adam It rained on my way in to work this morning and I was absolutely deluged by the time I made it in. I took my jacket off and hung it over the handles of one of those trolley/wheelie things people use to move tall, heavy things (the ones with the short base, but that's not important) in the server ...

 
@MichelZ currently not living with anyone but when I have people over they are confused as hell
 
I think 4 os reinstalls, one case move so I can use a normal psu
 
Looks like you're not the only one.
 
75/75 is sexy. They offer 500/500 too.
 
1:15 PM
@ewwhite nice
 
Good news about our team being down to really 2 people - I've gotten to do a lot more VMware stuff which I hadn't been doing much of!
But I've also had to do a lot of Domino stuff - so that makes me sad.
 
@cole destroy it with fire
 
@MichelZ haha I wish I could man, I hate it so much.
 
everyone hates it. even IBM
 
They sure do lol.
So I guess we're looking at Dell KACE to replace CA for deploying apps to PCs. Sr. manager asked Dell "Well, we hear Microsoft is the best - what do you have to say about that?" Dell replies "well, they are - we use Microsoft here."
 
1:20 PM
?
sales reps...
 
But it'll come down to price - so we'll end up with KACE, I guarantee it.
 
my shiny new dell equipment arrives by the end of october
 
We're a Dell shop
 
we used supermicro
i want to get away from that crap
 
Ouch.
 
1:22 PM
:)
 
We had some Supermicro stuff in the R&D lab at NetApp - so painful to get stuff working.
 
yep
a simple firmware update requires a PhD
 
Also, my manager sent out an email about being on time for work/WFH days being emergency only/leaving work at 4:30 not 3-3:30PM
 
I guess he did not mean yourself with this
does your manager do actual work?
or does he just manage you and your coworker?
 
He does actual work.
he manages at team of 5 - which is technically down to 2.5 (.5 being the coworker who leaves early/sleeps in his cube/etc)
 
1:26 PM
:)
 
But it wasn't about me lol.
especially after he told me how much he appreciates all my hard work and told me I could leave early.
 
1:40 PM
anybody here got a good answer for unix.stackexchange.com/questions/159241/… ? I don't really do that kind of setup but the guy seems nice and polite so I'd like to see him get some help
 
2:20 PM
@MichelZ yes I think you can, provided it came from /dev/zero
 
2:50 PM
I'm an idiot...
6
I just finished installing Debian on an old system... and immidately forgot the root password
 
3:08 PM
@Nick that was starbait, wasn't it?
 
@Nick time to learn the wonders of single user mode, and how woefully easy it is to break into a system? ;p
 
Bob
@JourneymanGeek Does single user mode in Debian bypass root login?
I remember it doesn't in some distros.
 
@Bob: it does in most, and I know it does in ubuntu.
 
Bob
Anyway, hardware (or pre-boot) access => OS access
 
2
Q: Debian boot to single-user mode

xorinzorI forgot my root password and am attempting to change it by booting into single-user mode, however when booting I get this screen: Then I press "e" to edit the boot configuration and I get this screen: However, in the tutorial I'm following it says I should navigate to the line that starts ...

indicates its doable.
 
Bob
3:19 PM
@JourneymanGeek That's not single user mode.
 
it isn't?
 
Bob
Nup.
@JourneymanGeek AFAIK all runlevels imply you're running init. This bypasses init entirely.
 
ahh
@DrI Debian's default is to require the root password for single user mode. — DerfK Feb 25 '13 at 0:14
 
@MichelZ nope, I literally called myself an idiot outloud ... with about 3 developers in the room
 
why are you working on saturday anyways?
 
3:32 PM
@MichelZ because things broke... and when things break im the one to blame
 
Anybody here run Cat 7 to jacks for PCs yet? Good performance?
 
hell i'm not even using cat6 yet
 
Still on cat5 here
 
yeah, I know there's no point in upgrading older bldgs that only house typical office workers, so it would likely be for only new installs and/or places where people will be accessing "Big Data" >.>, but I'm gonna put a jack in my office at home and I was researching today and saw there's apparently 6a, 7, and 7a out now, and 6a and 7 offer 10GbE over copper, so I figures why not of course lol
But if it's just hype then nm, I'll just stick to cat 6
 
if you want/need 10 GbE, then go 7
if it's only 1 GbE -> use 5e/6
 
3:41 PM
it'll be cool to have the speed in house, at the point when the rest of the tech catches up I could have 10G from the desktop to the NAS/Plex, but I'm not hard pressed about it, ya know?
 
@BigHomie but why? you probably won't be able to download with > 1 Gbit/s anyways for a longer time now :)
 
from the net not at all, but in the intranet, who knows!
 
@home?
really?
:)
 
heh, can you really think of a reason why not?
 
3:47 PM
no, absolutely not
except cost
 
XD
 
but I can't see it being needed neither
 
yeah, lemme see how much the cable costs, I only need a 50ft or so run
@MichelZ to this I say no one thought they'd require more than 20 megs of hard drive space ever, either.
 
that is true
 
I just don't want it to be one of the alpha test things that eventually get betamax'd by FiOs or HD-DVD'd by something, and I'm left having to run another jack
 
3:50 PM
also, is it downlevel compatible?
 
Wikipedia says it is w/ 5e and 6, doesn't mention 6a
 
I wish there was a way to see progress on cp
 
pipe it through pv?
 
Too lazy to install pv :P ... and I have already started copying the files I want to see the progress on
 
;p
github.com/Xfennec/cv This might work too.
I have it installed somewhere
 
4:11 PM
@BigHomie we're using 5e to desktops/cubes/lab machines and 6 from the ingress to the stuff in the machine room and the runs out to the switches in the labs
so, 6 on the backend and 5e on "consumer facing"
 
Thanks, I figure that's the majority of setups nowadays, at $job[-1] we had some rooms w/ Cat3, nobody wanted pay for upgrades, spent it all on research, whatever
 
Bob
@BigHomie Might also be harder to run. Does 7 have a bigger min radius?
 
I've only came across it on wikipedia, don't think it said, it might though b/c there are more twists per foot, and also shielding for each pair as well
wouldn't be many bends for my particular application though
 
the office I work in is only a couple years old, and it was a green field install, so no real legacy stuff
 
4:40 PM
@Nick checkout /proc/<PID>/io
 
@Iain I just run du from another terminal and check how far the directory size is from the one im copying from :p
 
Bob
@Dan I just took another look and this is literally done by the Java reference implementation
wtf java
3
here I thought it was just people using it
nope.
 
fuck java - once again
 
4:55 PM
@MichelZ fuck be upon Java's house for now and forever
 
5:42 PM
Validating a mission critical archive using md5 like a boss.... mainly because I cant stand waiting for the hashing to finish
 
sha-1, sha-1!
or even better... sha-256 :D
 
@MichelZ its a huge blob of utterly huge files... md5 took about an hour to finish
Imagine sha256 ... or even 512
 
that must be really huge
 
Yes it is :p
 
or a damn slow pc :)
 
5:43 PM
its an intel i5 not the best but doing well
I'm not sure if its worth it to go with sha512 ...
itll simply take way too long
 
Bob
@Nick it doesn't really take much longer; you're almost definitely limited by IO
 
@Bob yup limited by IO ... its copying from an external USB 2 drive\
 
Bob
@Nick In which case going from MD5 to SHA1/SHA2 won't affect speed
 
Is it normal for USB drives to have a 4MB/s IO? -.-
 
Bob
@Nick not for pure sequential transfer
HDD?
 
5:56 PM
@Bob yea 2.5 inc HDD
 
Bob
yea, you should be able to saturate USB 2.0 with that
(>=30MB/s)
but that's just sequential transfer
if you have random access and/or a lot of files (as opposed to few large files), then you'll see lower speeds
 
I have a lot of large files :P (1GB each file)
 
Bob
huh.
did you try different USB cables, ports, etc.?
transfer speeds can suffer from shitty cables that introduce a lot of errors
 
@Bob the cable is half broken so that might be a reason
but its a drive about to fail so no reason to replace it anyway
 
Bob
:\
 
6:01 PM
@Bob when I say half broken someone made the tip bend up a bit
 
Bob
ah. that's not usually an issue
though a failing drive can be slow too
 
points at the syssadmin sitting at the next desk
 
Bob
honestly, if a drive is failing I'd rather connect it via SATA rather than USB if possible
 
@Bob yea this case seems 100% shielded cant seem to be able to open it without cutting the plastic
 
heh I was wondering why I suddenly got more upvotes on serverfault.com/a/609482/56431
 
6:12 PM
@faker and why?
 
turns out the question asker edited it. He finally figured out that writing from multiple servers to a single apache log file via NFS is a bad idea
 
:)
 
wouldn't have happened if he listened to me in the first place :P
 
6:24 PM
@faker oh dear, do people still do that?
Oh, that question. Which I downvoted the first time around (and upvoted your answer...)
 
@JennyD he also shared the DocumentRoot via NFS -- SPOF!
 
@JennyD Tell me about LVM
 
and someone else is commenting now that syslog is more resource intensive than writing local log files... Ugh, I'm staying away from that
 
@ewwhite It kind of works, mostly?
what is it more precisely that you want to know?
 
@JennyD any opinion on its use?
You're an old-school admin... have you had any bad experiences with it?
 
6:28 PM
@ewwhite I've used it a fair amount, the bad experiences I've had have been because of sysadmin mistakes rather than LVM itself being the problem.
 
Lesson I learned today: never leave a root shell open on your PC with your screen unlocked
 
@JennyD that's part of what I was saying in a question... that LVM doesn't pass the help desk test.
(or first-level NOC test)
 
@ewwhite I haven't seen any compelling reason to not use it other than that it adds another layer of possible errors. But I wouldn't let a first-level NOC/helpdesk person mess with it.
@Nick s/a root shell open on your PC with //
 
When I was at a cloud firm, we were using LVM on top of VMware... and many of my emergency support hours were spend fixing LVM screw-ups by first level staff.
and odd failure conditions.
 
But if the NOC needs to mess with LVM; then they'd already be facing a problem beyond their expertise... wouldn't they have messed up whatever else they could have been using?
 
6:31 PM
so it kinda shaded my opinion...
 
At the current gig, we're using LVM on top of VMWare and have never had any problems with it. But the NOC doesn't have root on anything anyway so there's less risk of someone messing it up.
 
@JennyD wat
 
@Nick s/a root shell open on your PC with // from "never leave a root shell open on your PC with your screen unlocked" leaves "never leave your screen unlocked".
 
@JennyD amen!
 
@JennyD ah didnt realise it was regex syntax :P
@JennyD and when the screen is a terminal without a desktop manager... no choice really
 
6:34 PM
@MichelZ back at previous job, coworker would leave his screen unlocked... until I got tired enough of it. I took a screenshot of it, set the screenshot as background and hid all his programs. Then sat back and listened to the cursing
He actually learned from that.
 
@JennyD ohhhh im gonna steal that one :P
 
@JennyD I did that lots of times. Or just some ugly backgrounds
 
previous job most people would use it to send emails in the person's name... but since I was root on all mail servers, that wasn't really a challenge
 
I was also thinking about moving all the data to a hidden share somewhere
 
Every technology has it's limits, and nothing on that page supports your claim that LVM is awful. I would recommend that you modify that part of your answer, because it's more of a FUD then beneficial info. — Jakov Sosic 1 min ago
 
6:36 PM
damn FUD
 
I am spreading FUD.
 
please don't
 
It's qualified with a, "in my experience"
 
@ewwhite It's an opinion and it's your experience. It doesn't match mine... but as you said, it's a function of the combination of people, processes and software at that place.
You are certainly right in that it adds a layer of complexity.
 
or maybe we just trained people really poorly
but hopefully it'll be another 10 days before I can quit server fault.
 
6:41 PM
@ewwhite wat?
 
@ewwhite dooooooon't!
 
I've been chasing some guy... Evan Anderson, I think...
 
who's gonna tell us nice produce war-stories?!
 
een 49 mins ago
aah
got it :)
800 to go
 
6:44 PM
and then I can find a new hobby
:)
or maybe learn how to program
 
aah, to the dark side!
and then you write produce-software?
 
naw, just need to figure out what i'm doing
 
6:59 PM
can we not do something about that moaning bastard on meta? he's driving me nut, insane
 
@Chopper3 which one?
 
where? which one?
 
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Q: I'm being targeted for downvotes by nasty users

EamorrSo I had a small argument with a couple of users on one question of mine. Now I'm finding that my recent questions (perfectly valid - I took great care not to upset anyone because I was banned for a while) being downvoted for no apparent reason. Why should I be banned from being able to ask que...

 
aah, that one again!
cool
 
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